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That would be all good rockie, but allowing your shareholders to have their teeth ILLEGALLY kicked in on a daily basis for 2.5+ years is not all good, and requires some action on behalf of those who are supposed to be looking out for shareholders.
No, but the push down began well before that. The second we broke .10, VIRT appeared and went into action with OTCN. What they've done in Jan 2022 and most recently in Apr/May 2023 is NOT "making a market," and is very illegal. They synced up their algos, and VIRT stopped the pps increase and reversed it pushing us back under .10. They did this by controlling both the ask and bid, without ever actually buying or selling, but rather just controlling both so they could drop it/push down.
Yup.... They know that there's not enough volume to move it/threaten them. Because of this they can hold as many magical 10K asks as they like, because they know they'll be able to cover prior seeing any type of volume that would move it...
No, I don't rockie. Kind of difficult to NOT notice that your stock is intentionally undervalued beyond any belief, but if by some chance that wasn't noticed, it's impossible to miss the fact that we have been devalued for 2.5+ years with every piece of good news that comes out. Just not normal.
Truthfully, I'd be more inclined to believe that Charles knows who's behind it. I say this because Charles is an attorney, and if the person behind it was an "enemy," he'd likely say something and/or at least address it. However, it's gone on unaddressed for 2.5+ years now, so I personally don't believe an "enemy" is behind it. I think it's much more likely that it's a "friend" (undisclosed partner, etc...). But that's just me....
Correct. I'm pretty sure that exactly what's happening. To the best of my knowledge, VIRO/BGEN are only licensing the tech from ENZC, but they will be 100% owned by SAGA if/when deal is completed.
Thx befast.... Unfortunately that's the way I understood it as well...
That's the way I understand it. I believe that ENZC is only licensing their tech to BGEN/VIRO, so once the deal is done, the way I read it is that SAGA will not own the tech, but will own 100% of BGEN/VIRO. I hope I'm wrong, but this is how I've read/interpreted what was put out regarding the SAGA deal.
No excuses, same sh!t different day. PUMA + INTL drive the pps (crush the pps), then sit on bid an collect. Then turn around and use those newly collected shares to drive down further..... Nothing odd going on here. $250M deal on the table and MC just driven $110M less than that.... All perfectly normal...LOL
I don't think that's stop losses Catpole. Look at the L2 setup. The top 4 asks are all non-retail controlling MM's. Also, look at the 10:30 time on the chart to the right of L2, on the second snippet below. Exactly right on que, cliff-drop at 10:30AM. The pattern never changes... They may get that artificial ceiling down to .045 today at this rate....
100% correct Dyno. For 2.5 years, we've been controlled by PUMA, PAUL, STXG, VIRT, INTL, & OTCN, none of whom facilitate trades for Joe-Retail. When Joe-Retail places a trade, it will generally go through CDEL, NITE, GTSM, CSTI, or ETRF.
That said, the most obvious control/manipulation came when we broke .10 both times over the past 2 years (Jan 2022 & Apr/May 2023) with VIRT+OTCN/OTCX syncing up their algos to drive us back down. Once safely under .10 with plenty of padding, VIRT disappears. The entire time (several days) that they're synced up, VIRT never actually buys or sells any shares, so anyone saying they are just doing their job "making a market," is wrong. I still don't know what the purpose of this nonsense is and/or who is actually behind it, but I find it beyond strange that it's never been addressed by Charles & Co.
Lastly, I still can't see how anyone cannot see the pattern that we've been held to over these past 2.5 years, as it couldn't be any more obvious. An artificial ceiling is set, then they trade sidways for a little while to artificially pad the RSI. Then when ready, they drop that artificial ceiling by 0.005 and immediately stack under it. Then trade sideways again for a little while, etc... WASH+RINSE+REPEAT The never ending Groundhog Day pattern..... As I type this, they have now successfully dropped and stacked under the new artificial ceiling (.05). Today they hit with the typical opening takedown + the 10:30 takedown, so we'll see if they go for the trifecta at 2:30PM.
Anyway, point being that you are correct. With exception to the lack of buying (caused by the above pattern), retail has very little, if any, impact on driving this pps down...
BC - To the best of my knowledge, that's how it is right now, but I believe once SAGA deal is completed, SAGA will own BGEN & VIRO. Again, I could be wrong/way off base, which is why I was asking...
Enzc will be a Holding Company and those are the 2 Subsidiary's.. (from my understanding)
Mutat - with all due respect, I'm not asking you this to be sarcastic or negative, I'm asking to see if maybe I'm missing something and/or misunderstanding the deal. That said, it is my understanding that if/when the SAGA deal finally goes through, neither BGEN nor VIRO will be part of ENZC anymore. Is this correct? If so, what positive impact could they possibly have on ENZC?
Also, I personally don't see how Chandra being appointed new CEO of BGEN is good for ENZC, if the above is true? Will he have a duel role, one part ENZC and one part CEO of BGEN?
Anyway, maybe my understanding is incorrect, but if not, getting excited over BGEN/VIRO isn't making much sense to me.
Honestly, the missed milestones, delays, monumental shifts that never happen, etc... would not bother me half as much, if the pps control/devaluing hadn't gone on for this long, completely unchecked/unaddressed by the Co. That bothers me more than anything. For 2.5 years now, we've literally been devalued with every PR & piece of good news that has come out, which any way you dice it, is not normal.
Most recent example is that we're sitting on $250M deal for 2 subsidiary's that have licensing agreements for our Tech, yet we're trading at a market cap that is $100M less than that? Doesn't add up, yet nothing is said/done about it, and instead allow it to continue...
I genuinely don't know the answer rockie. There's really only 3 reasons I can think of.
1. Driving price down for conversions (They convert at a ridiculous discount, something along the lines of 50% of lowest losing bid price over a certain number of days). In other words, there is an incentive for anyone executing conversions to illegally drive the pps down.
2. Driving pps down to load/steal as many shares as they can before Charles removes the 3yr muzzle.
3. Competitor and/or enemy of ENZC is driving pps down/devaluing the company.
I don't pretend to why, but I've been watching for a very long time and nobody could convince me otherwise. VIRT is the best example. When we break .10, VIRT immediately shows up and uses their algo to keep us from moving further up and push us back under .10. They don't actually buy or sell any shares, which to me is a clear sign of coordination. If they're not buying and/or benefiting from driving us down, who is? Who are they driving it down for?
That said, if the reason is #1 above, regardless of the discounted rate they're allowed to convert at, it is still very illegal to intentionally drive the pps down for the purpose of getting a cheaper conversion price; so I have no idea why this BS has gone completely unaddressed by the company, but there is zero doubt that it has.
Personally, I feel like all of the over-promise/under-deliver, monumental-shift, etc... wouldn't' be so bad if the 2+ year ILLEGALY coordinated beatdown/control was put to an end; or at the very least addressed. In other words, if we were sitting at a reasonably accurate valuation vs this joke of a pps, I personally wouldn't feel as "at risk" as I do now. However, it's been going on 3 years now, and we've literally been devalued EVERY step of the way, and it has gone 100% unaddressed.
I agree with you here. Just hoping that in between isn't going to be as ugly as I'm thinking it is. The extensions coupled with the never-ending muzzle/silence, along with the unaddressed/unchecked nonstop control of our pps, is an absolute brutal combination.
That is why I have a Sept to OCT for any real PR to come out
They haven't shared the extension with us yet, but given coordinated takedown and joke of volume, I think it's a safe bet that we're hit with another extension. Although they likely won't share with us until after hours.
Today is the next extension in a long line of extensions…. Nothing new…
People who know about ENZC either already have shares or have been watching long enough that they're not going to risk buying until Charles actually delivers something tangible. I know people get upset and/or don't want to hear it, but I genuinely believe that it's much more likely this SAGA deal is drug out through the final extension; and if this turns out to be true, there is a good chance that our pps is driven lower during the waiting, providing some with an even lower entry than the laughable range we're sitting at now...
And as I type, there is our typical & predictable 10:30 takedown.... The illegal coordination here is beyond anything I've ever seen, and it still unbelievable that it has gone on unchecked/unaddressed for so long...
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LOL... I couldn't help myself BT.... We've been reliving groundhog day over and over and over again for going on 3 years now, and I just needed a laugh.
There's INTL right on que. With the ask moving to 0549, even with next to nothing in volume, we were getting too close to 055, so of course INTL jumps up to drop it, then drop it some more, and now its safely stacked to ensure we remain at 055 or under. In regards to SAGA, I'm guessing they'll hold off on announcing the extension until after hours. At this point, it's probably a safe bet to take our focus off of July and move it to whenever the final extension ends.
I really hate to think where our pps would be had we not experienced that monumental shift Chandra predicted. Oh wait a minute, we're still waiting on that monumental shift...LOL (Just a little Friday sarcasm to offset the lack of buying and nonstop control of this stock)
Thanks CK. Appreciate the kind words. I agree 100% that is/has been beyond a painful race, although I disagree that any of them read this board. IMHO, if they were interested in the thoughts of their commons shareholders, they'd provide us with an investors relations contact vs spending time reading this board.
That said, we're all hoping/praying, myself included, that Charles comes through for us, but at this point, I think it's still somewhat of a gamble. I'm not saying that ENZC won't succeed, I'm just saying that whether or not Charles does it in a way that's beneficial for us commons is yet to be determined. I think we still need clarification on what the plan for ENZC is after the SAGA deal goes through. Like I've said before, a dividend of SAGA shares is nice, but I haven't been holding for 3+ years to get a 1 for 1000 dividend of SAGA shares (I'm saying 1 for 1000, because I don't believe it will be better than that. They need the bulk of the $250M to fund trials, etc...). I've been holding because we were led to believe that ENZC would appreciate to an accurate pps/valuation...
Anyway, apologies for the xtra saltiness.... I'm a bit more salty than usual today, because I was really hoping that we weren't gonna be hit with another extension tomorrow, but once again it seems that was just more wishful thinking.... Now we start looking to late July....
I'm not sure about that Dusty, because if they were moving up based on expected ENZC success, one would think that we'd be moving up too, instead of being intentionally held where we are.
Pretty sure that todays action and/or lack there of, all but guarantees another extension tomorrow, leaving us with another exciting month of Groundhog Day (watching grass grow, paint dry, etc…)
Exciting times…. LOL…
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Yup... They'll usually pop up if we're getting too close to breaking 055. Gottta keep us in "the channel" at all costs. It's why I've been saying that what we've been watching with INTL, PUMA, & OTCN is coordination, not coincidence.
I don't disagree with you 29. When we have those big teasers/spikes, it's a great opportunity for people to either make some $$ or add free shares. My point was that when they hold us in such a tight channel, it takes away the opportunity to get such qty's of free shares or make $$.... Of course people can still flip for $ or free shares, but in such a tight channel and with such low volume, it's not gonna be for much.
Maybe, but I disagree Catpole. One thing I've learned over the years is that 99% of the time, "They/Wallstreet/MM's" ALWAYS KNOW before us, somehow, someway. Anything is possible, and of course it's possible that ENZC falls into the 1% of the time that they don't know, but I personally don't believe that. I'm expecting the typical "volume before price" prior to anything tangible/major/non-fluff being dropped. Hopefully we'll see/know the answer to this sometime prior to the next decade.
I don't know 29. I think they're still in the process of trying to steal retail shares. Otherwise, I don't believe we'd still be held in this severely & intentionally undervalued range. However, I think the lower they drive us, there might be too much competition, which they obviously don't want. Also, when they hold us in such a ridiculously tight & undervalued channel, it becomes more challenging for flippers. I mean, is it really worth flipping in such a tight channel, with potential news around the corner?
Bonnie, it's not about getting a PR in the next month as much as it is 2-3 years of silence. ENZC is not a household name "yet," where our BP competitors are. Not only that, but our BP competitors have unlimited funds & resources, as well as unlimited corrupt political connections. In other words, not only do I think a few more months will matter, when dealing with these other BP's, every minute matters.
Am I saying that "if we don't hear something within a month, we'll lose"? Absolutely not. What I'm saying is that every minute that Charles's muzzle-status-silence continues, our risk of somebody else beating us to the finish line increases.
Well, I was really hoping/praying to see some of that "volume before price" today, in advance of tomorrow's SAGA deadline. I would've interpreted it as a good sign and/or an indicator that the SAGA deal wouldn't be drug out another month or more. However, early volume not looking great. If the day continues on as it is now, it's pretty much a guarantee that we're in for yet another extension; and truthfully, the longer this goes on, the more I believe they're gonna drag it out all the way through their final extension. Like I've stated several times already, I really hope that these extensions, coupled with muzzle-status-silence, don't allow somebody else to beat us to the finish line.
Also, haven't seen INTL lead the ask yet, but expecting to see them drop to lowest ask sometime over the next 13 minutes (at least that's how they've ben doing it, just in time for the typical 10:30 takedown).....
Will absolutely keep Judy in my prayers tonight Art.
Will keep you in our prayers Rockie. Get well soon!