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Not to change you or anyone else opinion here, but allow me to use the current situation as an example why a crazy conspiracy theorist like myself believes that LQMT price is being artificially held up to .23, .24, or .25 minimum price.
There have recent been larger sized sell orders, absolutely zero communication, no known existing day to day sales, and not even a peep of a rumor good or bad.
Econ 101 tells me that the price of LQMT should be eroding as this silence continues.
Maybe we don't know the whole story??? I think we know enough of it.
Apple just announcing reducing upcoming iPhoneX production by 50% might not influence a Sell for someone hoping LQMT was a part of that device?
We have missed you Mowo; it's good to have you back!
If I was Li I would declare a dividend!
No, I completely disagree. Tim and Jony's Apple is a follower.
Iphone 8 and X only catch up Apple to what Samsung has been doing for 2 years already.
Apple HomeKit is a delayed response to other home automation systems that have been around for 3 or 4 years.
It's quite obvious Echo and Alexia have sold millions of units and Apple has only announced they are going to introduce a similar model.
The new iMac Pros? Those speeds and memory have been long available as upgrades to Microsoft running machines. The lower iMacPro price puts Apple dollar for dollar competitive with them.
Therefore, I no longer think of Apple as being an innovative and first to market. And they will not be the first ones to use large scale BMG to a CE product.
That being said, instead of using rigid frames for phones or watches; I believe the future will be using flexible materials like that Moxie company in China has developed. Totally flexible screens and frames solve a lot of issues that a rigid frame only tries to overpower.
A good question to ask at the next quarterly confrence call......
Oh wait......
Let's agree to disagree.
At this point in time I am very bearish on LQMT but I am not going to go so far to tell others whether they should be buying, selling, or holding.
Have you ever considered a Apple/LQMT scenario like this?
Apple wants to implement technology derived from Crucible and then sources manufacture from Gasimetal or Eontec or Foxconn or any number of other manufacturers other than LQMT? Or....how about a brand new Hong Kong Liquidmetal manufacturing firm that has yet to be created???
Just say'n
It says something when Jason Bond has exponential influence over LQMT share price compared to the effort of the 20 people who take home a weekly LQMT paycheck, the BoD, and the majority shareholder--combined.
As long as it never gets to .60....it's all good.
There are several underlying keys to your assumption of "one contract":
--LQMT could even land a very large contract
--LQMT could satisfactorily preform the manufacture
--LQMT would get paid
--LQMT management would share some of the proceeds with shareholders
But most of all....
--LQMT could do so profitably
The recent history of LQMT indicates that none of the above 5 conditions can be met. Even the Miltner Adams knife deal was done at a loss, shipment was delayed a month over what was agreed on, and Miltner Adams did not pay as agreed (and it is unknown if they eventually paid in entirety). We shareholders likely bought most of those knives.
Yes, I have to think dilution is going on, it's free money.
That free money supports what ever it is that goes on in LF on a daily basis. Even at the exorbitant price of the LQMT management salaries, the cost of additional machines, or the price of the spiffy LF campus itself.
What goes on in LF? Well, I look at it this way, What goes on in LF is going to be who ever owns LQMT wants to be going on there. That owner is Hong Kong Liquidmetal. Most on this board believe that Lugee Li effectively wrote a personal check of $63M and used Hong Kong Liquidmetal as a shell for liability reasons. I believe that there are more investors to Hong Kong Liquidmetal but Li may be very well the primary. I believe this is true because wealthy people don't put all their eggs into one basket. Wealthy people use other peoples money to make them more money. Wealthy people leverage their money with others money; in particular with others that don't have the same opportunity.
Because of the very dark place LQMT is in; admit it-- LQMT is more regulated by the blurry, tangled mess of agreements and previous contracts than it is by it's shareholders; a company like Eontec would have every reason to take all the good things (R & D, the working knowledge, etc) and sacrifice all the rest. Meaning; there is no compelling reason to make LQMT itself successful if LQMT is really a tool being used to make Eontec successful.
Therefore, if LQMT share price can be manipulated to generate cash with little/no oversight along the way...why not?
I think it is Happy 23.
Because it's pretty obvious there is price support at .23 or so from a very powerful source.
Because somebody is very happy to sell shares of treasury stock at .22 or .23 on a daily basis.
I think Hong Kong Liquidmetal is a group of very Happy people. Because they receive cash on a daily basis at a near zero cost. They have overhead, but that overhead is providing Eontec with valuable R & D--for free.
So with every turn of the LQMT revolving door shares are sold at .23, Eontec becomes stronger, and little is said because there no compelling resonsponsibility to tell those caught in the revolving door where they are really at.
Wouldn't you be Happy if you went to the bank 5 days a week to make a deposit?
Another thing LQMT shareholders have lost out on...
A robust, ever increasing US stock market.
I completely agree!
I won't accuse; but in the same breath it's hard to ignore the obvious supported price.
I've had trouble with this for many weeks now, Why is the bottom of this stock .22? Why?
At this point in time I can't name a single reason why this stock trades at such a high price. Basic economics says that the stock price should be eroding away due to lack of sales, the lack of public information, and most of all the overall perception of the lack of effort.
My idea? Make about 200 cases to fit the iPhone 8 and sell them on liquidmetal.com, e-Bay, and Amazon.
Low production hurdle (i.e. 50 per production run) so if similar to the 300 units of the knife missing the deadline and being a month late hopefully a lot of 50 will flow on that little white conveyer belt without issues and won't hurt anyones feelings.
And let those cases be used, dropped, rubbed, and put into pant seat pockets. Let LM105 speak for itself--and hopefully speak to Tim and Jony.
BTW--I did not know the knife was recalled???? I never received notice.
I think expensive, low production iPhone cases are an much better idea than automotive products.
If the properties of LM105 are true as we have been led to believe, then an iPhone with a retrofit LQMT case would show Tim and Jony just how fantastic a future iPhone made of LQMT would be. No brainer...
Maybe they don't test the waters because they are afraid a phone case may be classified as CE??? Well, there was no infringement when LQMT made USB drives for SanDisk--another "failed to return" customer.
But maybe LQMT doesn't go down this road because it might expose what has been said about LM105 is not completely true???
The longer I have a position in this stock, the longer I watch the behavior of management; the more I have to believe that LM105 is not what it is purported to be.
Gee....Anybody read who is vying to make metal iPhone cases for Apple???
Maybe good ol' Bobroo wasn't talk'n smack earlier today; he might just be right about LQMT after all....
I don't believe you see that BMG's are not an emerging technology, but rather, have been around for many years and are widely known of.
And, I really don't believe you recognize that any time LQMT has been used; those customers have never returned. Of all the pocketknives, cell phone bodies, or watch bezels that have been made of LQMT and implemented in a product...not one single one of those customers has repeated to buy more. Do you need a bigger hint???
We all know it is foggy in Lake Forest, you say that it is going to clear up; I say that the fog is put there intentionally to obscure what is not going on.
Wanna know how 2018 is gonna go for LQMT???
Exactly the way Hong Kong Liquidmetal wants it to go; period.
If HKL wanted sales; sales would have already been made. If HKL wanted manufacturing at LF, there would have already been manufacturing at LF. If you ask me, what we have seen (but not actually viewed) is further research, improvement, and experimentation...thats what will continue to happen.
Personally I'm looking forward to more R & D being preformed as a confidant of/subsidiary of Eontec for the next 12 months. Because that's how the BoD and upper management is structured. That's how the facility at LF is layed out. That's why shareholder quarterly conference calls are cancelled. That's why there is no marketing campaign. That's why there is no sales force. That's why the facility is located in tony suburb of Lake Forest, California. That's why stagnant, dead wood is still on the payroll. That's why there are no boastful press releases.
As long as LQMT treasury stock is being sold for about $.25 a share, five days a week and as long as "good science" is being preformed for Eontec.....I say we all will make one more revolution in the LQMT revolving door, ending up in the same spot we are now; just a year later.
The best case scenario for 2018??? There is rampant inflation over the next 16 months and those $.25 shares will have to be sold for $.60; turning Eagle into a hero on or about April 19, 2019 and winning the Orange Lamborghini Award for Stock Price Prediction!
I'm glad you chimed in Games! Does what was written on the PatentlyApple page or the illustrations make any bit of significant sense? I got zero out of that information.
Reading the PatentlyApple page, are you as suspicious as I am they way they intentionally name drop "liquid metal" when they really should be saying bulk metallic glass?
Like somehow PatentlyApple doesn't know the difference or they are not detail minded.
Doing work for Tesla is dependent on two things: WHEN and IF you get paid.
Tesla has begun delaying payments to suppliers.
I guess selling vehicles for a loss is starting to catch up with them. Or, should I say equalizing with the the realities of Teslas economic state; not their boasts, dreams, or forward looking projections.
Tucker is a far better automobile/LQMT analogy.
Hong Kong Liquidmetal made a $63,000,000.00 mistake.
Period.
I did some of my own brainstorming.....
I thought "Gee, why doesn't LQMT offer an iPhone case?" Ya' know, a scratch proof, super durable exoskeleton to prevent bending. Low lot manufactured to keep the price high. I'm sure it's a non-CE item; would anybody say Otterbox is a CE company??? Showcasing a LQMT super shiny surface and an integral self closing ring on the back to put your finger through (or in my case, to use as a tie down).
If LQMT did come out with a novelty phone case it would ease my mind of all that money and time that was spent on ISO9001 certification we shareholders paid for actually went to something tangible. I might not even feel so bad about all those warm fuzzies that were said during the Engle symposium 3 years ago just weren't hot air.
Lugee Li's 2018 To Do List:
1) Make a novelty item out of LQMT for public sale. One that is unique and showcases the talents of the engineering staff. Don't be afraid to attach a high price; the posters here are near guaranteed sales and have deep pockets.
This head fake is an easy way for LQMT to buy time and relieve any pressure from actually having to show performance from a new facility, a reconfigured BoD, new machines, new hires, new investors, a purchase of $1M in raw materials, and an overall $63M injection in capital.
A solid LQMT item for public sale should keep the restless natives quiet for 6 to 9 months into 2018.
Another day, another revolution of the LQMT revolving door; ending up in the exact same location we started the day from.
Ho hum......
If your dreams get ruined because someone expresses a different opinion then you have on these boards; then most folks here would be agree that investing in Pink Sheet traded distressed assets is probably not a good investment for your portfolio.
If anyone here believes that all they have to do to become wealthy is to purchase 25 cent shares of LQMT in mass and ride the coattails of the Lugee Li train; they are going to learn an expensive lesson.
It ain't that easy kiddo...
Gee, at this rate LQMT is NEVER going to reach .60
You should read any of my posts sometime, by comparison Eagle is a warm, fuzzy sunshine day.
And when Eagle updates the .60 poll-- I'm winning <wink>.
....But LQMT sold bazillions of shares of stock during Haucks 3 1/2 year tenure and that's what really keeps the LQMT machine running.
My wife and I were talking over the weekend and we are both extremely concerned over the Winter Olympics that are going to occur just about three months from today. An Olympic games being held in South Korea at this point in time-- yeah, those immediate thoughts of what could possibly go wrong--there is strong possibility of all those bad things going down.
So, how does this relate to LQMT? Well, I promised I am going to be very cautious and conservative of ANY investing/divesting I do over the next 3 months. I think you should too.
Just an FYI
Ya' know what I find most disturbing about last weeks fall from grace (and the past 4 months rising SP)?
This board can not pin point the reason why those events happened. :0(
Hang in there bud!
Best wishes for a speedy recovery!
I completely agree with you on the old school/ analyze the numbers to determine investment worthiness.
But let me caution you (as I have said many times before on this board) that I think LQMT is in a very dark place when we investors might like to see some upfront disclosure. By no means am I saying that LQMT is violating SEC laws. But what I am saying is that there is no clarity what-so-ever how or even if funds will flow to LQMT with a deal with Apple. How funds might or might not flow through LQMT for Eontec manufactured goods is equally puzzling. On top of that; everything LQMT does seems to involve a NDA.
From the last OH going forward, we investors are placing a lot of trust, faith, and hope that LQMT revenues are reported the way we think they should be reported. Just say'n
"...the best thing that could happen to the stock would be for sale orders to dry up."
No, the best thing that could happen to his stock is for it to declare a dividend.
Nope, despite what many think I only have one IHOP ID.
I'm not quite sure what to think of good ol' LQMT these days; it's difficult not to bite hard into the recent posts of Crispy and Axiom.
So.....in summation; today was equally exciting as the announcement of the new Star Wars movie.
A lot of glad handing, a lot of innuendo, a lot of smiling faces, and a generous helping of "I can't tell you".
Nothing to bank on and no evidence of recent hard work.
Todays LQMT is no different than it was 5 years ago except a lot of low priced shares of stock have been sold.