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JRLopehandia is stating that the historic claims he has made all along regarding the rights to some mineral claims in Chile overlap on to Barrick's Pascua Lama properties. We do not know at this juncture what the significance of these claims are in that the UTM coordinates claimed have no mineral value. These are unknown and as well what the actual significance these would be to Barrick's overall project. Barrick has always stated that the legal issues ongoing in Chile had no bearing on the Pascua Lama Project as the areas in dispute were away from the reported SEC filings of the project.
So the question to release MSX to resume trading has a serious point of contention regarding the MANY Press releases made over time concerning the FACT that Barrick did not have proper titles to Pascua Lama and that Pascua Lama is owned by Jorge Lopehandia is still unproven.
Barrick itself would have to answer to the areas in contention relative to the reported mineral drillings in the Pascua Lama project.
In other words Barrick would have to lay their titles down over the disputed areas to determine the validity of their SEC filings.
You can be assured that Barrick is presently altering the dimensions of the PLANET EARTH.
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Newgold stated the following: "So now that this is all over with your titles can you elaborate on what the RCMP-IMET will be doing moving forward. "
I believe what you meant here is that the quest of title proof for some UTM coordinates in Chile's Atacama have been resolved.........
WWWWHHHHAAAATTTT?????
Mr. Lopehandia you have stated you would start mining Mina Pascua when YOU are good and ready.
The information available would indicate otherwise. That area of Chile will not be mined anytime soon if ever. The Diaguita population would need to be extinct and long gone.
Yes likely pick and shovel and gravity are the answer!
So in light of this where does that leave the value of any legal pursuits against Barrick for the claim rights you say you have and have had since the outset of their project Pascua Lama?
Strictly the value is on any legal award against Barrick/Wheaton Precious Metals and likely others who were in cahoots with Barrick.
How would any award be calculated if there will ever be any, now 20 years and counting or is it only since 2017?
Any award would be greatly diminished due to the now defunct value forward of the entire mining project.
How do you see it?
https://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2021/01/15/pascua-lama-mine-shut-down/
We could get the rest of the gang posting the TRUTH of the fraud and all get arrested by Interpol, request to be sent the same institution and have our own prison wing.
We could play "what may have been" all day long, get fed, make new friends, sign autographs on some "soap on rope" and like that!
Hells bells let do it, I am getting too old to care much anyway and nobody wants to talk to me anymore. I am going to eat some worms.
Anybody ever wonder where we would be if MWR/MSX had spent "the money" on mining picks and shovels instead of lawyers?
Yah Yah, I know, we would be at the bottom of an empty hole somewhere in Bootscrew world.
Who was this consortium of geologists that Fitzgerald was associated with in exploration?
Anybody know .......for sure who they were?
Well well I believe that we have already been in these chartered waters and found our tip of the mountain beneath the surface that scuttered our ship to the bottom of the deep blue sea.
The money, the power, the connected, always find a way to win don't they?
https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/news/general/widow-hopes-husbands-16-year-battle-with-mining-company-finally-over/273572
We will again suffer from the same diagnosis. You are going to die....soon!
Jorge I believe every piece of information the RCMP had on You/MWR/MSX/Barrick/CMN has been sold or given to the BCSC/Barrick to use in the fraud cover up.
RCMP moles, many, looking to get rich.
https://stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard?symbol=v.egt&postid=32294576
You say You and MSX do not need money? Why is Johnson always begging for funds from Shareholders who have been so mistreated these many years, begging through other sources goes on daily????
Here it is, the solution to your problems.
Atlaf Kanani is looking to divest into other venues of industry that could be longer lasting.
Mining may be one of them. Chile could look to a new source of tax money in their new Constitution that will be reviewed and adopted this year.
These revenues would be obtained from non traditional sources and used to assist those less fortunate in equalizing the money distribution.
Have your minions get a hold of him and help launder some well needed funds.
Look at it this way. That relationship would be just of a much bigger scope than what you set up with that money laundering fund from Burlington Ontario.
Where did that money go?????
Have the RCMP been by to ask questions???
Do we have a right to know, not likely right!
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This message is intended to play out some NEW script from THE MOVIE pilot.
A whole new paragraph?
Yah thanks for coming out of the "we really do not believe now or if ever" state of mind.
Yes it is sad, really sad, to have thrown ones life away in a scheme like this where the powers of mankind in their corrupt state will in most every case win over the weak and the poor.
I believe if they continue to pursue the BCSC ruling the best we can do is ask to have MSX reinstated MSX as a fledgling little scarred company with no future, no hope, only memories of riches that might have been so big that the imagination explodes in wonder!!!!
Of course we would have to throw Johnson and Lopehandia to the hungry pigs.
Once Johnson was bitten by the Lopehandia Bug he was doomed, doomed I tell you, doomed.
Oh yes, you Braelorne, are still one of JL's favorites along with Quer. Soon I too will also be among you unfaithfools.
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hey hey out there
Goldfork
Braelorne..... one of JL's favorites
Sooshie
OOgold
Yourkidingright...another favorite
GrandPooba
come on back and add some new dissssses to the story
You all know that success for MSX is just around the next big check you send in........
Financing just around the next bend and a big financing is arranged for MSX to become the land of riches for all those that liked the flavor of this weeks coolaid ?????
Quer, just an observation on my part but your referencing Davis and Schizophrenia in the same sentence is about right.
As far as JL goes I have asked many times if we ever had him tested for mental competency and no one could deny nor assert if we had.
So I guess no.
The one thing that really worries me, actually scares me, is if MSX ever has any success in the option agreement case and we get to the public forum where folks want to interview the players and voila they want to interview JL in order to seek out base credibility in the cause and effect of the action against Barrick, well there you go!!!!
LaLa Land.
This would really add to the entire plot of the movie where some form of dementia set in with the major players after years of anguish in their fruitless legal efforts.
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How many is many? I had no idea. I thought we were only five or six Faith=Fools and let me ask how you come by this information?
That should have read " We don't need no...STINKING....badges"
I say we scale the heights of Mina Pascua Mountain and demand to start mining our mine, Right Donald?
Lopehandia knows full well his asset is of no value to anyone other than MSX because if in some form of reality he actually has rights to something attached to a mineral deposit it is now tainted beyond any big players capacity/allowance to be of any interest.
Lopehandia needed a publicly traded company to carry his legal efforts forward. No going back or restarting now, too old, too broke, real broke, broke broke.
Not too many public companies willing to go through what MSX did thus far. That would be NONE.
Oh that's right, there is no more MSX...for now anyways.
Who would want to go through and couple themselves to a mess like what we have gone through.
Think Naval Fleet, Saturday night docking, ladies and marriage ?!?!
The value at this sordid juncture is all based on legal penalties to whoever had a hand in the fraud. These could be many. No digging involved.
Oh Mr. Judge Mr. Judge .....Mr. Judge I really really really think you need to hear our next case it is a real Duesy.
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Who is reading this board??? Give a sign of life and I will quit posting my drivel if we can pass 30.
Jorge for someone who has rights unfettered as you say to billions of dollars of gold, silver, copper, and Llama dung to a vast project in Chile, it seems you would best serve yourself in advising the big money, the very big money instead of posting on this stupid board to nobody but the few who have made this unfortunately a hobby of sorts.
Go out into the world and sell your story to the masses, leave us here to vent to ourselves. We love rereading our own posts. It is the one source of entertainment in this Covid world we find credible.
Like I said forget us at MSX who have not met with the terms of the Option Agreement and go and sell your story to anybody who would be interested.
What is that you say, you have tried and MSX has been the best you could come up with............ RIGHT!
Why are we so lucky, so very lucky.
Funny how the choir can turn once the organist has changed the music sheet.
Oh bye the bye I forgot to qualify the type of investor you might attract in my last suggestion.
These money laundering types unlike the existing MSX shareholders have a lot less patience and tend to get, well extremely violent if they are treated like dummies.
Best of luck to you if you decide to go this root.
Remember, the MOB or the Boys don't like surprises.
Not like those endured by MWX/MSX shareholders these MANY YEARS.
Hey Jorge here is an idea, only an idea mind you.
Since laundering cash is so easy and a pastime for so many residents of the lower mainland you might want to consider having some shapely young ladies man some booths outside the casinos in the lower mainland. These booths would be used of course to sell shares in the world's largest unmined gold mine in Chile known to us as Mina Pascua and owned by yourself as you have proclaimed so many times before.
Interested parties who in general can not be too fussy as to the integrity of their investments would likely entertain this offer. They could use cash, casino chips, Bitcoin or other crypto currencies, all untraceable more or less. They would receive a certificate of share based on their input allotting to them a return of proportions many fold. Names and addresses withheld.
Who needs litigation to show ownership?
We don't need no stupid badges !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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MR. Lopehandia you may want to sell "your asset" to someone else since MSX will never be able to meet the terms of the Option Agreement and is seriously delinquent in meeting the terms to date.No way to pay the Billions $$$ plus back interest and absolutely no one to assist in fronting any funds.
Surprised you have not done this already.
Why is that?????
Do tell.
Just think this could be like groundhog day all over again!
Hey out there any readers still interested in this horrible decision we made.
Can any of you substantiate the following?
I heard tell that the MSX Toronto Lawyer one Rocco Galati will have absolutely nothing to do directly with Jorge Lopehandia. All aspects of the information he requires or needs has to come directly from Juan Guilarmo Torres. No information will be accepted otherwise.
Rocco is fluent in written and oral Spanish I am told.
This had to evolve from a few choice meetings and or conversations in the recent past.
Smart decision Mr. Galati!
Show me where the money will come from.
Option agreement on a property that is and will be encumbered by every problem that negates metal extraction.
Option Agreement value ..... O
Funds allotted from legal rulings........ we will all be dead and gone before any of this has a chance of recouping any of our Monopoly money!
So like the REPS what is the point .....really, what is the point?
We can join the Munkster from wherever and make bets as to where this will all end.
The BCSC case has not been thrown out of anywhere. The BC superior courts judge Oosman or whatever the name has seen fit based on the way the BCSC appeal hearing went to allow MSX another chance to an appeal of the BCSC tribunal rulings with evidence that was not allowed at the appeals hearing for flimsy legal reasoning and language issues is all.
The judge deemed that the appeal hearing lacked justice in its ruling against MSX. Justice can be served many ways.
And no my posts ridiculing the positive non reality of Jorge's information is only meant to state the obvious that if undeniable proof was available in his claim ownerships it would have been outed in less then 20 years.
Granted the elements of power are and have been very difficult to deal with and nothing there has changed if anything it has become much more difficult as Barrick has now built a fortress around their fraud.
Ok Newgold try this.
Call the big brokerage houses and discuss with them the fact that Barrick is criminal in their total failure at Pascua Lama Chile.
Get back to us on this.
NO.......????????
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Ok there is little doubt that the testimony given by Angelina Ossa was important in relation to the statements made by MSX and Johnson regarding the relationship MSX had with one Jorge Lopehandia in the option agreement.
The credentials and weight given the Ossa testimony were of a high degree of leverage when the BCSC appeals panel issued their verdict against MSX and Johnson. The weight of the ruling is my main concern. The entirety of the BCSC action was to rid the planet of Johnson/MSX/Lopehandia and take out the all traces including we little people the public shareholders as collateral damage.
The discrediting of Ossa as to his undisputed ability/credibility in making certain assertions to the appeal board could have some serious affect in the importance the panel placed on his testimonies in making their final ruling.
There will be blood....................
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The BCSC still has strong grounds in that many of the press releases made by Johnson were not true per the proceedings in the courts of Chile. This was common knowledge and could be verified if one tried. So if one went back and had to prove what was, when it was, and if it was, according to the legal aspects there are strong grounds of misleading Shareholders in a public company with unfounded press releases. These releases were always meant as BEAR POKERS to attempt to get Barrick to react in some form or get the hard questions asked of Barrick.
If you were told Rocco Galati included titles to Mina Pascua as rightfully owned by one Jorge Lopehandia in the appeal response data you were mislead.
MSX especially Johnson still have a big problem to resolve to get me my money back as well as so many other shareholders.
Since the Pascua Lama litigation was the only asset MSX had, if one dares calls a legal case an asset, MSX is in the same dirty hole as Johnson is in.
The next step as always is trying to find funds to continue with the never ending litigation. Smallish countries have GDP with net values substantially less than the cost of litigating Lopehandia's clean and unobstructed claim rights to Mina Pascua.
WHY IS THIS?
My rights are cleared by the SUPREME COURT OF CHILE as of MAY 2017.
Trouble is what rights and to what. Chile can't tell you they don't even know.
There was supposed to be all kinds of public press in Chile on this a few years ago. Torres did get it started a couple of times on CNN Chile and then all went deader than a fart in a windstorm. A long long lasting windstorm it is. Like I said before, Chile and the powers that rule will not allow anything on this on the airwaves nor in script.
Sort of surprised JL and Torres have not taken to Twitter Facebook LinkedIn or Storkmail?
Fitzgerald was an employee of Kerr McGee's mining division when the Nevada properties were staked with the able assistance of one Doctor Davis,the pops who accidentally put a BULLET hole in his stepson's Steve's head, did mean to, really.
Ranspot and Fitzgerald also had Uranium claims worked in Utah, Moab to be precise. The tailings are to this day are still being cleaned up. Been there myself to have a look and yeppers just on the outskirts of Moab, even built their own railroad to carry the tailings away from the Colorado river. Fitzgerald and Ranspot were SCUM OPERATERS. This all helped the Nuclear effort and the bomb building during the cold wars.
Gold, what Gold, right Mr. President Bush senior?????
tooooooo complicated for the movie PASSSSS
The BCSC will never do THE RIGHT THING.
They or part of they have way too much fraudulent collusion to hide. This goes way deeper than what they have done in the hanging of MSX and Johnson VIA Lopehandia where there is a serious HATE ON for many years now.
Hate almost as bad, almost, as the Dems have for THE TRUMPER.
That one pebble at the bottom of the pile needs to be dislodged to make the avalanche of lies come out.
THERE WILL BE BLOOD!
Is Juan Guillarmo Torres a Chilean lawyer currently acting on behave of MSX. He is,then he is not, which is it? If he is our legal team he must be all three, THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST, amen!
Newgold said :
There is only one way to do it and that is by title, I am told that the reason that the appeals court sided with MSX is that they presented titles. If this is true the BCSC needs to call Barrick in and ask them to present titles and end this charade. This needs to be done now.....
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I have been an advocate of the fraud all along and have taken a few arrows myself by leading with my face, but at some point like the Republicans one needs to look things over and see where the water will flow.
Barrick has been able to dodge this with serious influence as well as hiding behind the fact that Chile in all aspects has been spineless to offer a clear position on the ongoing legal issues. Sometimes saying nothing is the simplest answer. Barrick rules by bribe and if you had been reading past posts you would know Barrick writes the laws governing the mining project of Pascua Lama, feeds them down, yes down to Chile and life goes on for them. The closure of Pascua Lama over environmental issues is a well orchestrated play to obfuscate many legal issues, buy time and mitigate the negative costs of further legal problems. Chile has agreed.
Welcome to the Alternate Universe.
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I fully agree with your assessment.
Johnson is guilty on so many counts, mostly the press releases he issued making false claims "when these releases were issued". Many of these totally unfounded releases had to be withdrawn as forced to do so by the BCSC.
JL may have some real claims but these were/are still highly disputed in the courts in Chile when Johnson made releases stating unsubstantiated facts giving the impression all was well with the litigated basis of Barrick's false claim ownership of mina Pascua leading to the option agreement with Jorge Lopehandia.
This has been the modus operandi on shareholders all along to extract funds in the ongoing litigation. It still is.
Why oh Why?? Johnson had paid himself 15,000,000 or more in company shares in MWR/MSX in lieu of pay/salary or as most of a bloated fictitious salary for running a company earning NADA with no prospects of being in a position to earn any revenues. The only prospect MWR/Johnson had was the Fitzgerald litigation where Johnson with his substantial efforts was made to look in all courts like a, well you say it.
This is like an addicted gambler taking free unpaid chips from the casino to play a roulette table where the little white ball was missing!
The best we can hope for is that MSX by some miracle can trade again with the success of the case being launched by one Rocco Galati on behave of MSX.
Johnson should never again be allowed to have anything to do with the management of MSX or any public company for that matter. He should also be forced to dispose or divest his share interests in MSX.
It is my opinion that the MSX appeal trade decision will reflect these points.
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Newy if you are at all thinking the Fitzgerald pursuit could lead to anything positive it is time for you to contact MSX or JL and ask to purchase a one way ticket to their ALTERNATE UNIVERSE.
Both individuals saw themselves living the grand life off this pursuit and purchasing the very planet called earth from the proceeds of both the Tronox Goldstrike mine and the Mina Pascua criminal case.
BEWARE OF NUMEROUS BLACK HOLES IN FLIGHT.
There really is no way to avoid them.
What we are really looking at is buying ourselves some scuba gear or heavy diving stuff going to Juneau renting an old barge and bringing up to the surface some old rocks from a 100 year old goldmine, getting somebody to grind these down and voila we are all MSX gazillionaires.
Have a nice trip.
You would need months to go through it all.
MWR/MSX is a figment in Johnson's imagination.
Pandora's box opened reloaded and closed anew!
I forgot the most Important one.....
We had to put up with Johnson and Lopehandia
and total nothingness.....BLACK HOLE.......
It is all much more complicated than your short little blurb. There have been cataclysmic events since.
Kerr McGee
Nathan Rothschild
Tronox
Bankruptcy
MWR
Michael Fitzgerald
Maria Fitzgerald
Satan
Beelzebub
Total eclipse of the Sun three times
The rantings of SD
Navajo's and the wars
Smoke Signals
Liquid Lunches a bunch
etc
etc
etc
JL, for us poor souls who are visual learners can you post the charges as laid criminally for those you refer to.
These charges would be those laid in the criminal courts of Chile of course.
If you please, or have your legal "TEAM" do it for us plebs.
regards, the Charlatan
Mr. Lopehandia I always intended to ask you why you chose MWR/Johnson and his little personal company Mountain West Resources as your intended target. Did you sense the desperation that abounded and figured who else would ever believe my story; ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU FOUND SOMEONE WHO HAD A HATE-ON FOR BARRICK ALMOST AS BIG AS YOUR OWN.
Perhaps as we turn close to the 15 year mark you could elucidate on this for us who have been dancing to the tune of LES MISERABLES.
The success thus far is quite unremarkable!
I suppose we are getting ready to jump out and surprise everyone.
Whooops, is there anyone out there still paying any mind to be surprised.
Or "is" there a surprise in the cards. Jack of Clubs is the wild card.
Have they been removed from the deck??????
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JL to date, the sales agreement on your claims UTM coordinates via your errrrr mining agent Villar have never been conclusively dismissed by the courts in Chile for lack of contractual performance by both or either CMN and Barrick.
Why is this if you are claiming you have clean titles today to these same properties?
I know CMN/Barrick promised to take your property rights subsequent to the sale and develop these properties to produce gold and other minerals and pay your group of merry little claim thieves a sizeable royalty from the proceeds of the mineral sales. This property has never been developed to date as we all know today. The Pascua Lama project for Barrick has been the proverbial Albatross now firmly stitched to their necks as it continues to decay year after year after year.
Instead of this development and royalty payment, they sliced and diced you all up into little manageable pieces after Villar blindly signed the Magna Carta.
Here we are today,Lopehandia Souffle a la Groupo Ojanco nothingtoshow ... OH!
Who will have 20 year old Souffle? .... anyone....... anyone.....Buehler ..... Buehler
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JL:Your time is up as we turn the crap sheet over to 2021.
IF YOU COULD SHOW, YOU WOULD HAVE SHOWN, YOU COULDA SHOULDA HAVE SHOWN, A LONG TIME AGO!
CLAIM RIGHTS AND CANCELED SALES AGREEMENT OF MINA PASCUA!
JL I understand you have a service where politicians from around the globe can be in contact with you and you provide a scheme to put out misinformed false information in order to camouflage sensitive information to appear positive.
You should excel in this endeavor.
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JL since you are in the forgiving mood lately have you been in contact with "Propeller Head" DiFonzo to see how he is doing in general terms these days and ask if he still wants to go fisticuff in the parking lot of the BSCS building or elsewhere?
Perhaps the best you could do for this man is to wait and send him some rear end lube ..... for his "errrrr" vehicle, yah, that right, his vehicle!
Merry Christmas JL, you now have six days left in 2020 to be legally absolved on your claims to the Ownership rights to some mining property in Chile. We can not be sure where or what those are at this time.
If the letter written By Ossa and posted by MTStack on Stockhouse is your answer to the legal hanging of MSX by the BCSC..I do not get it. The way you portrayed this admission of guilt by Ossa was in my mind an earth shattering admission that the testimony he gave at the appeal hearing was bogus in many respects. All the letter said was that he was not a mining legal expert.This may have been an admission to something he never claimed to be even if the BCSC said he was.
I found the non notarized letter weak and am doubtful it will get us out of trading jail let alone on the path to some new form of success.
Nothing absolutely nothing you and Johnson have told shareholders in these many past years has come to fruition. Only you and Johnson have gained in any use of funds personally from monies paid into this pit of lies.I am not saying you are living the grand life but shareholders have either lost it all and will never recoup or will die waiting for something to happen. Some have died during this time already and others are getting uncomfortably close.
AS a side bar what did you and Johnson do with those shareholders that were promised double and triple their ERRRR investment if they fronted money for the legal effort. This wealth was to become them in two months from time of investment. It has been years now and they still go naked into the darkness of MSX HELL.
Merry Christmas to us all!
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Tickets to the Alternate Universe to be offered soon.
Hey there y'all I would like to wish the three or five posters herein a Saintly Christmas on behalf of myself and Angelina Ossa.
Be advised that the world is a strange place and therefore supports all kinds of specimens of humanity. Be forgiving and keep well. Money is not the answer, although it will buy groceries and pay the rent.
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