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I'm sure he'd be fine with that...
We should lobby Ihub for one of those memorial icons to go with his boot.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/profilea.aspx?user=51486
But they think it may be Matt, Rachel, or Brenda. Ragan isn't even on their radar.
Oh, and they were asking what incentive the sab would have and Brit said, "I bet BB offered them 20k". Smart girl!
OT I feel like Kathy on Big Brother
LOL
Hey, Kathy is having her best day in the house so far this season! Everyone is defending her today because Rach is bashing her. Kathy is actually having a good week. She has been included in house discussions and some folks are talking about keeping her now because she can't win anything.
The live feeders are too funny when Kathy stands up they all announce "Kathy is upright"! The other day Kathy said she is "saving her energy" and the feeders went crazy with jokes about her laying down all the time.
Jeff and Jordan were in the house today and Jeff told Rach to "watch the claws". LOL
Wednesday/Thursday shows should be a good ones.
BTW, nobody has a clue who the sab is.
Poor Robin...
I only heard about his passing today.
If I had some Calvados on hand I would have a glass and toast in pup's honor. He wouldn't object to a mojito though.
Who ARE you guys?
F.A.K.E.
RIP star the wonder pup
ditto
Lousy people skills though
Can't argue with that but, pup was a heck of a scambuster and he will be missed. :(
Robert Kirk Jr.
KIRK, Robert F. Jr. 66, of St. Pete Beach, passed away Saturday, July 31, 2010, at his residence. Robert was a Rhodes Scholar, a graduate of USF and earned his Doctorate degree in Psychology from Memphis State University. He was the Executive Director of the Harriett Cohen Mental Health Center in Clarksville, TN for 8 years, worked at ProPsych Mental Health Center in Clearwater for 5 years and was a consultant for WellCare. He loved traveling, boating and fishing. Robert is survived by his wife Patricia; sons Robert Kirk III, Richard Kirk, Jeff Lynn; daughter Lori Smith; grandchildren Abi, Ethan, Katy, Cody and Jory. A memorial service will be held on Saturday, Aug. 7, 2010, at 2 pm, with a gathering of family and friends one hour prior to the service at Beach Memorial Chapel, St. Pete Beach.
Published in St. Petersburg Times on August 4, 2010
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sptimes/obituary.aspx?n=robert-kirk&pid=144470578
Maybe the same peeps that went after ivory
LOL
IF anyone went after ivory it was men wearing white jackets. Paranoia stories are their attempts to make their bizarre stories seem more credible.
he states that his phones are compromised...and imo he is probably under surveillance...
Well duh!
Perhaps it wasn't a good idea to have phone calls with someone who the DOJ indicted, and on the verge of having a superseding indictment on RICO charges. sheesh
you have been PunK'd !!! booYa!!!
Why is it all the fun people always disappear when "I told you so" time comes around?
At least jimmy is dependable.
last night they had one that hodges was told in chambers with sec guy get it done now damit
They have great imaginations.
which is ironic, Wyatt telling the truth and all
Too funny!
Don't forget kiddies, Global World Settlements must occur Aug. 9th or the world will end as we know it!
Somebody starts an idiotic rumor; it gets passed around, and by the time it comes back to the person who started it, he thinks it's been "confirmed" by others
Believe it or not, some of them are now claiming the SEC recorded the hearing and is trying to "set them up" so the Judge would be prejudice against Hodges/plaintiffs.
They claim a plant came onto the boards and posted the MP3. They are trying to cover their butts, imo.
Nuffy won't tell me nuffin'
It's a safe bet you can cross nuffy off the list of shareholders to give you 100k.
I'm looking forward to reading Hodges' new complaint in 45 days
I'm still in the camp that's hoping the lawsuit proceeds to the discovery phase. It may be grossly unfair to the defendants but, I feel there is a possibility that some new info could come out from the depositions. The more we hear about Delidog, the more hopeful I become. ;)
Here's a post by eggie from 2006. It is highly doubtful Hodges is misguiding some of these plaintiffs on the sting theories or the allege settlements. They played a hugh part in participating in rumors and theories that lead up to the lawsuit, imo.
By: bhollenegg
29 Sep 2006, 12:36 PM EDT
Msg. 390028 of 390031
(This msg. is a reply to 389834 by pleaseurban.)
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Hello Pleaseurban, The SEC Website has several documents conveying
several facts from legal documents which allude to a sting operation
in progress. I posted the following message a while back with
references attached. Yes, I strongly believe a sting operation took
place using CMKX...yes I strongly believe bona fide shareholders
will be compensated..yes, I strongly agree with Mark Faulk's
assessment that a sting operation did occur.
Here is the message I posted earlier..The World's most expensive
diamond, The CMKX/CIM NSS Diamond, produced by the Casavant Sting,
setup by ex-S.E.C. Sarbanes Oxley expert and sting architect, Roger
Glenn, implemented by Stoecklein Law Institute, and the final result
carved and polished by the CMKX NSS Diamond's and shareholders'
guardian, Robert Maheu. CMKX held claims to vast areas of some of
the World's most lucrative mineral deposits. CMKX was brazenly
turned into a minefield by hedge funds, competitors, MMs, and
brokerage firms trying to short the company into bankruptcy and
ultimately carving up the spoils amongst themselves. Fortunately for
shareholders, CMKX was used as the vehicle to deliver Stoecklein and
Maheu to the perpetrators. The information from the S.E.C. files
gathered from their website, forms a picture of the impending sting.
Donald J. Stoecklein (Stoecklein), current counsel for CMKM
Diamonds, owns the Securities Law Institute in Las Vegas, Nevada,
which assists approximately forty-two public companies in their
periodic reporting obligations, including CMKM Diamonds. (Tr. 315-
16.)
Donald Stoecklein and Debbie Amigone, from Stoecklein Security Law
Institute, worked with Jonathan Katz, Secretary of Security Exchange
Commission, on The Final Rule , which covers investor protection,
naked shorting, SHO, shell company mergers and reporting. It was
Donald Stoecklein who according to the S.E.C. brought Robert Maheu
into the picture. Robert Maheu (Maheu) has known Stoecklein for a
number of years and is part of a team assembled by Stoecklein, which
Maheu believes will clear up past mistakes and will result in
compliance going forward. (Tr. 285-86, 296.)
Maheu set up the Small Defense Plant Administration fifty years ago,
and later the Small Business Administration. (Tr. 285, 287.) . What
part does Debbie Amigone have in this picture? The sting was almost
uncovered by a shareholder. In February 2005, Debbie Amigone was one
of Stoecklein's employees working on CMKM Diamonds matters. (Tr.
163.) On March 4, 2005, CMKM Diamonds announced that, effective
March 1, 2005, it had relocated its executive offices to 5375
Procyon Street, Suite 101, Las Vegas, Nevada. (Div. Ex. 53.)
However, as of April 6, 2005, this address was occupied only by
a "hot rod" shop. (Div. Ex. 55.) "Debbie" at the Securities Law
Institute, which is owned by CMKM Diamond's counsel, reported in an
e-mail sent on April 6, 2005, that a shareholder had visited the
site, discovered this fact, and reported it on the company's Web
site.6 "Debbie" advised that "You might want to call Urban
[Casavant] or Michael and have them 'move in' and talk to the owner
of the hot rod shop and also tell Andy what to tell shareholders
when they call." (Div. Ex. 55.)
I feel the value of CMKX's claims was known because Stoecklein also
owns Opus Pointe, which is an accounting and bookkeeping company and
a division of the Securities Law Institute. (Tr. 167, 326-27.) SEC
documents stated that Opus Point and the Securities Law Institute
are working on CMKM Diamond matters and an employee of each firm
testified at the public hearing. (Tr. 167, 314.) CMKM Diamonds did
not pay Opus Pointe's retainer; rather, it was paid by the
Securities Law Institute. (Tr. 169.) >>
What is missing from the picture is the settlement. Robert Maheu
inspected the final cut, made sure there were no NSS flaws in order
to protect each bona fide shareholder and their share of the World's
most expensive diamond, The CMKX/CIM NSS Diamond. Imho...
We are in good hands.
Bhollenegg
References:
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/aljdec/id291bpm.htm
http://www.sec.gov/info/smallbus/gbfor23.pdf
Stoecklein Law Group working closely with the SEC for Amendment to
the Penny Stock Rules
http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/txt-srch-sec?
text=stoecklein§ion=Entire+Website&sort=date
http://tinyurl.com/zmatw
http://www.sec.gov/rules/final/34-51983fr.pdf
Stoecklein's email, cc: Debbie Amigone to Jonathan Katz Secretary of
SEC comments on proposed rules concerning Naked Shorting
http://www.sec.gov/rules/
Hodges liked what he saw with these plaintiffs. Like his personal sap & lackey, Dennis, these clowns are ambitious, over zealous and willing to be misguided.
For Pete's sakes you're placing too much of the blame on Hodges. Why did Hodges really select certain shareholders one can only speculate, but look into some of their early histories and who promoted many of these theories/rumors. Their actions today are no different than they were years ago.
This is no coincidence, IMO.
In March of 2006 very_tired was on RB yapping about "trillions" in the ground and other nonsense.
In May 05 he was pushing the SEC theory because of HIS interpretation of how the SEC was handling the investigation. We know now his opinions were all BS as usual.
1:28 AM) very_tired1: I had an interesting experience.... I was the
attorney representing a client at an SEC deposition regarding
SGGM... it was very interesting how the SEC is dealing with Urban...
(1:29 AM) very_tired1: kid gloves...
(1:29 AM) very_tired1: almost as if they "had his back"
(1:29 AM) very_tired1: almost as if they were told to leave him alone
(1:29 AM) very_tired1: hard to say.. probably in time
(1:31 AM) very_tired1: they know of the fact Urban spent a lot of
money on his own personal fun.. and it seems as if they don;t seem
to care
(1:31 AM) very_tired1: which is in line with the hope that there is
a settlement and the SEC is involved
1:37 AM) very_tired1: The monetary settlelement amount? Could be
anything from .05 to $1.76.. those are the figures I have seen
tossed about
(1:41 AM) very_tired1: Zman.. the money will come from the offshore
hedge funds.. as well as domestic brokers, their insurance policies,
bonds, and from the DTCC who I believe will cover the rest
1:46 AM) very_tired1: Urban in CHina.. I will bet it deals with oil
sales.. jmho though
(1:46 AM) very_tired1: my opinion? I believe cHINA WITHDREW ITS
OFFER TO PURCHASE uNOCAL BECAUSE THE us AGREED TO SHARE SOME OF THE
OIL WITH CHINA...
(1:49 AM) very_tired1: I think China used the purchasing of Unocal
as a tool of leverage to force the USA to share this oil find with
them
(1:52 AM) very_tired1: I believe Mahue was here for 2 big reasons..
1 was to deal with the NSS situation.. the second was to insure that
the US got control of the Uranium and Oil (the Uranium for nat'l
security reasons).. but CHina wanted some of the oil.. used the
Unocal deal as leverage
1:53 AM) very_tired1: I believe that the last thing Bush wanted was
China owining a huge US oil company
(1:54 AM) very_tired1: THe SEC is not gong after Urban.. in my
opinion.. I listened to depositions about Edwards, Harlan and
others.. Urban's name came up but they hardly touched him
(1:55 AM) very_tired1: Not too good of things...
By: locoforkimberlite
24 Mar 2006, 10:38 AM EST
Rating: Msg. 172063 of 951585
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very_tired trillions in the ground will take 100's of years to dig up...I wouldn't wait around for that(lol), besides nothing coming out of that hole for years, 4-5 to get a mine going easy.
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http://ragingbull.quote.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CMKI&read=172063
By: onlythetruthtoday0
24 Mar 2006, 10:40 AM EST
Rating: Msg. 172067 of 951585
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trillions in the ground and only two micro diamonds right LOL EOM
You really think jimmy is gonna believe that?
LOL jimmy is more likely to believe anything than his hero Maheu telling Faulk people like jimmy live in a fantasy world, and he (Maheu) had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with a sting operation or negotiating a settlement.
Maheu's interview with Faulk gets better with age. No wonder Frizzell laughed when Miller asked about the sting theory.
MAHEU: Mark, how many people in your life have you seen, who without even realizing, live in a world of wishful thinking?
FAULK: A lot. There are a lot of shareholders in CMKX who are like that.
MAHEU: Reality does not exist in their world.
MARK: Did you at any time have any involvement, directly or behind the scenes, with any Federal enforcement agencies orchestrating any type of sting operation, or trapping naked short sellers?
MAHEU: Absolutely not.
FAULK: No involvement with naked short selling or negotiating any type of cash settlement for CMKX shareholders, or any type of settlement?
MAHEU: Absolutely not.
FAULK: And no current involvement?
MAHEU: No.
The reason why I'm saying this is because Hodges is asking him for evidence, when it was told Hodges already has the evidence.
Add to that the timing of Hodges asking for evidence appears to support Hodges lack of evidence to present in court at Mondays hearing.
I wouldn't be surprised if this Ed guy told Al a bunch of BS -- and the BS is what Al is using as the root of his lawsuit
IMO, Ed is one of at least a handful of folks feeding Hodges BS.
Pedro vindicated! The emails are confirm genuine by eggie and tuscan (tuscan is a friend of Ed).
it would take 30 mins to type that stuff in microsoft word please tell me you're joking?
jimmy, your ability to distinguish sarcasm versus in-depth details (which included too much personal info) can use some improvement.
goodolboy
Re: EMAIL HOAX
And this becomes a test of my integrity how? I asked in another thread if the emails (the content of implied) were true. I could care less from whom they past through.
Now, how about you show some intergrity, stop with the deflection and answer the obvious question... are these emails legitimate?
It looks like your friend tuscansun confirmed they are as well as Ed Salvadore.
bhollenegg
Jawz2010 and All,
Yesterday I received a few emails from Shareholders asking if it was true that I emailed this. I opened the link provided and read the following...
Posted by: Pedro2004 Date: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 7:02:19 PM
In reply to: None Post # of 314390
Trouble in Hodges/Plantiff camp? [captured emails]
« Thread Started Today at 10:44am »
http://qbidtalk.proboards.com/index.cgi?....ead=7114&page=1
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I received this through a little birdie spy of mine that Bob Hollenegg gave it to. It appears Al Hodges is begging for information before his recent court appearance from the players. Besides the illegal recording of the event (as posted by nufced), one has to wonder several things.
1) Why is the egghead sharing this kind of information with people?
2) Why is Hodges bribing (as claimed by Michael Weiner) for information by offering them a car? I would think this isn’t in his/our best interest especially since he is suppose to be doing the right thing for us all.
3) Why is Marco part of this “story”? That POS is doing illegal things for his own personal gain. Is Hodges somehow a pawn for agenda’s not even realized?
Pedro has several times made up information and posted messages using my name BHollenegg. Nufced and Goodolboy, who are quick to challenge the information I post, both have re-posted fake BHollenegg messages knowing that they were fakes. When I read "Posted by Pedro2004 "and BHollenegg emailed..."
I went to PB29 and read Goodolboy's message that it is true. I went to Raging Bull and asked Pedro to provide proof that the email came from me by clicking the email's properties menu, select source, which will show name, IP Addresses, route, message body, time and date stamp and post it on the boards. Pedro couldn't. This is obviously another attempt by Pedro, and his cronies to discredit me and cause dissension among the Shareholders .
I received a telephone call today from Dennis Smith. Dennis said that the email correspondences between Ed and the office did occur.
Pedro, your attacks, exaggeration of events, and twisting of information will not slow down or stop the release of the funds to the Shareholders. It is sad that you and a fellow shareholder boast about stopping information, providing fake information, supporting and participating in attacks of those who are determined and working hard for the Shareholders.
Thank you,
BHollenegg
goodolboy
Thank you for following through, and getting an answer.
BTW Robert, you're kind of stretching the truth about Pedro, aren't you?
It was F4D that said those emails came from you. Not Pedro.
In fact, Pedro tried to explain it to you but you didn't want to listen to him from what I saw.
bhollenegg
[quote author=jawz2010 board=mofo thread=6322 post=73057 time=1281030420]I received a telephone call today from Dennis Smith. Dennis said that the email correspondences between Ed and the office did occur.
Thank you Bob for clarifying that at least we now KNOW the emails exchanged ARE in fact TRUE.
Now of course this raises many more questions about them all.
I can think of one immediately.
What does Delidog have to do with ANY of this whole thing?
Thank you again for your response.
Jawz,
PLease give me a few minutes...I am typing up a response at this time.
Thank you,
BHollenegg
bjenkins
Mr. Hollenegg,
This is the type of stuff that gets people worried. Why would you come here yesterday and tell us that guy made up those messages and then come back today and say those messages are real?
ZNXT
penny scams nailed by the SEC in the last few years
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usxp
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znxt
please feel free to add ..
Too funny!!
You should read the battle on RB between Pedro and eggie. Pedro is scoring points because eggie is reluctant to confirm info Pedro is inquiring about. Can't blame eggie though, he seems a bit fluster. He shouldn't have accuse Pedro of fabricating emails.
The good news is eggie seems to be keeping up on the post fairly well, so he must still be in good health.
The first thing that popped into my head when I read that from Allen
First thing that popped into my mind was, is he still in contact with Marco and why is he delegating who Delidog shares go to?
Also, how many Delidog certs are still up for grabs, and where are they all coming from?
The Matthews guy got another call that payouts coming within 24 hours. Apparently, he didn't learn his lesson the first time with these rumor mongers.
Brandon Matthews: pay-out within 24hrs?
bmatthews
Diamond Hunter
Joined: Jul 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 4
Re: Updated Daily!! RUMORS ....Believe em' or NOT
« Reply #348 Today at 3:04pm »
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Hey guys. Quick update...i just got another call claiming the settlement will be announced within 24 hours. I was looking into your case, and was told that I should get it out tomorrow...take it for what it's worth...
I wouldn't brag to much if i were the DOJ in locating urban and bringing him in..LOL
There you go again disrespecting the DOJ effects to bring Urban to justice. Unlike you, some shareholders are sincere about seeking justice against the person who harm them. They have concerns and look for answers, and find them.
Courtesy of 4profit:
4profit
About Extradition Article Vancouver Sun
« Thread Started on Jul 30, 2010, 12:50am »
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How long should the arm of the law be?
Extradition is a controversial issue that exposes the differences between legal systems
Kim Bolan, Vancouver Sun
Published: Saturday, January 16, 2010
Tina Howe and Maria Cooke wouldn't have looked suspicious as they drove a blue minivan through the Sumas border crossing into Washington state in June 2007.
But as the Dodge Caravan cruised down the I-5, its roof flew off and landed on the freeway, "scattering thousands of ecstasy pills across the road," U.S. court documents say.
"Washington state troopers quickly responded and discovered a pink and blue haze of dust rising from the highway, which they later determined was the result of cars smashing the ecstasy pills into the road."
It was just the beginning of a 2½-year judicial odyssey for the Metro Vancouver women, who were charged with several conspiracy drug counts that could land them in prison for years.
Cooke went so far as to strike a plea agreement in which the U.S. Attorney was requesting a reduced seven-year jail term. Then she failed to return to Seattle for a sentencing hearing in December 2008.
Howe, the suspected instigator of the rookie smuggling attempt on behalf of B.C. traffickers, missed her trial completely.
Now both women are on the long list of British Columbians who are the subject of extradition requests from the United States.
In many cases these extraditions are stalled because the paperwork is caught in government bureaucracies from Ottawa to Washington, D.C. Other accused were released on bail in B.C. and refuse to turn themselves in to foreign authorities. In at least one case, Canada is not sending a man south because of a medical condition.
There are now 34 B.C. residents wanted by foreign police agencies, mostly in the U.S.
The list does not include a rash of more recent indictments south of the border, such as the one unsealed last month implicating suspected B.C. traffickers Sean Doak, Colin Martin, James Cameron and Adam Serrano in a multimillion-dollar helicopter smuggling ring.
There are also U.S. charges against United Nations gang members still in Canada. And an outstanding indictment against Hells Angel Brian Lee Hall, who was arrested on the extradition request in July 2008.
A question of where
Critics of the extradition process say Canadians should be charged in their own country if there is evidence of crimes that involved cross-border transactions.
Simon Fraser University criminologist Rob Gordon says he does believe there is some "jurisdiction shopping" by law enforcement who want to see criminals dealt with effectively in the courts.
"I think there is some truth to that, especially with regard to the illegal drug trade. I think there are actually two issues that probably drive the preference for United States prosecutions," he said. "One I think is the perceived sentencing practices in the United States and the other is more procedural -- there are lots of impediments to a swift trial here."
Across Canada, there are 107 Canadians with extradition requests from foreign states wanting to prosecute them on charges ranging from murder to money laundering. Almost half the cases are drug charges, with most of the requests coming from the United States.
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How long should the arm of the law be?
Extradition is a controversial issue that exposes the differences between legal systems
"Fortunately, the police arrived at that moment," a 2008 B.C. Appeal Court ruling said. "One officer pointed a gun at Mr. Fester's head, and he surrendered."
The court refused to reduce Fester's sentence, noting the trial judge had considered all of the issues he raised, including his Crohn's disease "which makes incarceration more difficult for him."
That medical condition is what is holding up his extradition, which was ordered by B.C. Supreme Court Justice Eric Rice last September.
"The latest inquiry was he has got health problems and the Canadians were concerned we could not adequately deal with his health problems here," said Asst. U.S. Attorney Doug Whalley, who is based in Seattle. "So I am supposed to find out from the Bureau of Prisons if we can handle him."
Whalley said the delays in processing extradition requests can also be on the U.S. side.
"It is a relatively cumbersome process. I started doing as many as I could two years ago because it got easier to do them if you did a lot. I can start an extradition today and probably complete it in about a month," he said.
The paperwork then goes to Washington, D.C., where it can sit for another period of time. It then gets filed with the Canadian government in Ottawa, before eventually coming back to the jurisdiction in which the accused person is living.
If an extradition warrant is issued, Canadian authorities arrest the person and the court process begins.
Whalley said he sometimes receives questions about evidence in a case.
"How did they know it was marijuana? And who handled the drugs between the time it was seized and the time it was sent to the lab? [These are] things they consider important," he explained.
Most B.C. residents listed on extradition requests are wanted in Whalley's jurisdiction -- Western Washington.
"I show about 15 where a completed packet has been sent to D.C.," he said. "Some of those we have had reports back from the Canadians and some of them we haven't. There are probably about three to four others around the office that I don't know about, but I try to keep track of them.
"The last three or four years, we have successfully returned about 17 defendants. Some surrendered once they were arrested on the extradition package. Some surrendered while it was in the process and some were extradited."
Some 'lured into' U.S.
Eastern Washington, where Blade Runner occurred and where both UN associate Joe Curry and former Bacon associate Dustin Haugen are wanted, has the next most requests for B.C. residents.
Curry was in B.C. Supreme Court again Friday as lawyer John Conroy argued that the case against his client is too circumstantial to warrant extradition. Conroy said in an interview that Canada is one of the few countries that will ship citizens to foreign jurisdictions for trials.
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4profit
F4d, the process regarding Urban begins with the 2 county's capitols. The Office of International Affairs in Washington, D.C. and Ottawa's International Assistance Group.
This is also intertwined with criminal law, statute law and international law. It also involves Treaties and the Canadian Extradition Act.
It is the Federal Minister of Foreign Affairs, in concert with the federal Minister of Justice, that manages Canadian participation in extradition Treaties.
The DOJ evidence & Nevada arrest warrant is in place. When the two capitols are tired of screwing around and jockeying for position, the info first goes to the Federal Minister of Foreign Affairs. They request an Extradition Hearing with a judge. A miriad of things pertaining to Treaties & Extradition Act happen:
1) Request; (2) Authorization; (3) Appearance; (4) Committal hearing; (5) Appeal of committal hearing outcome; (6) Minister’s initial surrender decision; (7) Judicial review of Minister’s surrender order; and (8) Final surrender decision. These steps are followed in all cases, unless the Minister of Justice does not discharge the person or Urban waives or consents.
1. Establishing that Urban is indeed the person sought for extradition by the US.
2. The crime committed in US must be a crime in Canada. Dual Criminality issue, punishable by 2 years or more of incarceration. Prima Facie case established.
3. If there are factors that support seeking a "provisional" arrest warrant. Fleeing would constitute one or concern of not showing up for the hearing. Urban didn't bother to show up for the regulatory hearing. If "provisional" warrant is decided, the Minister of Justice issues it. The Embassy gets the info & RCMP is notified. High bail could be set.
4. At the end of the hearing, the judge must either discharge the person or order his committal to the Minister of Justice. The hearing is almost always public but depending on the case The judge may issue an exclusion order or a ban on publication of evidence.
There is a 30 day appeal or judicial review. This ends the Federal Minister of Foreign Affair's role and the extradition process from Canada begins, involving the Minister of Justice.
5. This last process can be heavily political. It's where waivers and consents come in. If a challenging attorney is present for Urban, plea bargaining might enter or since the Minister of Justice has discretion whether to hand him over or not, his case might be presented. There are a list of grounds which can keep Canada from handing him over, so each one must be disqualified.
6. If the Minister of Justice does not discharge Urban, he is then surrendered.
Since the person to ask about progress is out for X extended time & imo with the posse, it's more difficult to answer. It's not a capital crime, no possibility of death penatly, DOJ firmly established the trial date to Canada, this is a high budget ticket, RICO happened to make Urban essential, they are not walking away from this guy.
Mission for Monday, since it will soon be a year (Sept 17, 2000) since criminal indictments came out and then DOJ had 60 days to request Urban, i'm curious and will try to get a hint of anything. A smart person would stay away from F4d's question, so i'll take a stab.....imo .between Christmas & New Years would be a nice. Not final, final answer & subject to change lol
4profit
He's coming here! The sooner the better as far as i'm concerned. The thing is, how long does it take to do an extradition hearing, which is mandated unless he waives? Even Alberta Securities Commission said Canada will hand him over.
In 2003 Canada expedited the process after a standoff between the US & Canada. US prosecutor's claimed Minister of Justice, long story short, was stalling cases. Minister of Justice said the DOJ was contacting their citizens in question, trying to get them to wiave the extradition hearing by saying, the difference would be if they didn't, a big boyfriend was waiting for them. 45 out of 52 said "I give up". hahaha. They hammered this out to friendlier agreements beforehand, cutting the paperwork only requirements from over 2 years to the whole process in some cases like Urban's being done in a year or so. The hearing takes place where the citizen legally resides. How busy can Saskatoon be? lol
i said Christmas because nothing in CMKM happens when it should & a nice holiday gift for us, but honestly....Urban's could be standing on the corner telling someone he's going to be making their kids millionaires one minute and be gone the next. Maybe they're waiting for the person who asked for him to get back? Urban should pray that's not the case.
it would take 30 mins to type that stuff in microsoft word please tell me you're joking?
sheesh I'm talking about the content. Not the amount of time it would take.
Also bribes put in writing from an attorney won't be looked
favorable by the courts.
very_tired15: I am trelling you.. this info is going to get out.. even if the bansters control most of the media. There will be defectors in the media who will get it out... especially when they get some of the Deli shares as an enticement
You should be happy for us what Al is trying to do for the shareholders..
Why should I be happy about a frivolous lawsuit and a waste of the courts time, plus tax payers money? Tyler is doing much more for shareholders and they are constantly being bashed by Hodges/plaintiffs supporters.
Justice is all we ALL really want right?
Not YOU! You make a mockery out the indictments and the DOJ's efforts to bring Urban and the other insiders to justice.
That is a setup by Pedro-lilburritto0. The emails are not from me
How does he know Pedro did this? eggie always blames Pedro for everything.
If this is not authentic, it was pretty elaborate stunt.
I didnt know gr8 ape and tiggerpaw were buddies of salvato
Ed Salvato is claiming they are part of Hodges group. If this is authentic, something strange is going on here, imo.
For that reason I will follow the advice of council and not communicate with you or Mr Hodges nor anyone associated with your group like Michael Weiner aka TIGERPAW, Gr8Hiker (Steve) from Florida and other does and roes not named here but known.
you are making it sound like someone walked in with an uzzy and cleaned the whole bunch out
You sound like someone who has no respect for the Judge/court.
It is a Judge's prerogative to be in complete control of his courtroom. Suppose Judge Selna would have ordered a remark be stricken from the record. The remark would still have been on the recording. In essence someone tried to undermine the Judge's authority.
Judge Selna thought it serious enough to make an issue of it by warning he will not tolerate any nonsense in the future. Perhaps if he had the name of the offender he would have taken the matter further.
ED SALVATO AKA THE REAL JAMES BOND
is a paltalk goober who has been booted from message boards
I remember that alias from reading PalTalk chat logs.
OMG! He's Hodges third party?
July 31, 2010 12:49 PM
it is very important that I speak with you today or tomorrow ¡V whether or not you and/or Peter are willing to provide any documents for me to use
WOW! If these emails are authentic, Al seemed desperate to bring some legitimate documented evidence to court on Monday. If that's the case, he didn't have anything and had to wing it with tales about Maheu in a room full of people from around the globe that cut checks totaling $3.87 trillion, and of all things Hezbollah.
Have you gotten documents from Tyler and Company and/or from Marco Gleason yet?
What the heck kind of documents would Delidog have? Good lord this smells fishy.........
I don't think Urban set this entire operation up to be drug out this long.
OMG Laughable!
Dennis Smith: "This guy sounds like a major putz. "
From: Ed Salvato
Good Morning Dennis:
You might want to be careful what you are sending out in writing. Perhaps you only wanted to send this email to your crew but you sent it to me. I don¡¦t have much of an opinion on you either
LOL Smith is such a charming fellow. Maybe it was the "Jack" again.
There are documents in the possession of many that show there is $12.5 BILLION in accounts that list 5 signatories (none of which are you nor Mr Hodges) and these will become public very soon.
LOL Guess again!!!
I will follow the advice of council and not communicate with you or Mr Hodges nor anyone associated with your group like Michael Weiner aka TIGERPAW, Gr8Hiker (Steve) from Florida and other does and roes not named here but known
Well, it looks like bashers were right again. A lot of Hodges allegations sounded like old message board postings by the usual suspects.
If it was serious they wouldn't JUST issue a warning needs
Some of the nonsense you post is shocking.
It is a Judge's prerogative to be in complete control of his courtroom. Suppose Judge Selna would have ordered a remark be stricken from the record. The remark would still have been on the recording. In essence someone tried to undermine the Judge's authority.
Judge Selna thought it serious enough to make an issue of it by warning he will not tolerate any nonsense in the future. Perhaps if he had the name of the offender he would have taken the matter further.
And i bet the one that tattled is on a special list NOW!!??
Huh? Are you suggesting someone who did their civic duty keeping the courts safe from unwanted intrusions will have some sort of retaliation for this? That would be extremely stupid, especially since the Judge is aware of the situation.
The MP3 was posted on every CMKX related message board. Maybe the SEC or someone connected to the defendants discovered it and warn the Judge.
Oh yeah. Bribery always works like a charm
Good grief! What sort of an attorney suggest making bribes?!! Oh wait........ What is interesting it may suggest he still has an ongoing relationship with Marco.
Naturally it came from the judge, who referred to it several times at the hearing. They're unable to understand simple English??
Treff put that idea into their heads.
very_tired15: Well, ordinarily it is written by the judge, but in this case, who really knows?
And now this:
very_tired15: I would not want to be in the SEC when more of the facts do come out... their lives will be in danger
Treff out of control.
very_tired15: I am trelling you.. this info is going to get out.. even if the bansters control most of the media. There will be defectors in the media who will get it out... especially when they get some of the Deli shares as an enticement
very_tired15: The SEC is headed for some dismal times
very_tired15: I would not want to be in the SEC when more of the facts do come out... their lives will be in danger
very_tired15: Think about this one - if the federal attorney defending the SEC directors discovers that they are illeglaly holding funds, will they file charges against them as the federal prosecutors should? Interesting potential for a conflict of interest
alan treff 8/3/2010
very_tired15: yes.. I received over 100 phone calls within 90 minutes
INES1OO: hey alan
very_tired15: you have that one right
INES1OO: i am listening to that court recording.
INES1OO: again.
INES1OO: i like hearing hodges
Wheres-da-BEEF: ground_fog: the 6 minute mark on the mp3, hodges said Glenn raised the a/s "at the request of the sec" I find that interesting..wtf is the sec to ask mgmt to dilute our stock
very_tired15: I felt very good afterthgat hearing.. strongly confirmed in my mind that there is a trust or trustsd awaiting us
wodan11: ines hey lekker stuk
INES1OO: af_vet: I heard in the courtroom audio that Hodges aledges that Maheu presented a video and powerpoint to the different entities of their proof of NSS to get them to pay up...........I would like to know how he knows there were such presentations and where are they now, in who's possession.
INES1OO: .
INES1OO: hey lekker !
wodan11: lol
INES1OO: alan.. how about that video from maheu?
INES1OO: is that something somebody is in possesion of still?
very_tired15: It was awesome
INES1OO: and would it be pertinent?
INES1OO: .
INES1OO: yes it was awsome
dj lancerock: doesnt Tyler have the CD?
INES1OO: really liked listening to hodges.
taylor911: royal, ITA. I loved hearing about all the facts we thought were rumor
Wheres-da-BEEF: man we are so golden if Al can back all this up.............imagine if he plays that video for the jury to see
very_tired15: I am trelling you.. this info is going to get out.. even if the bansters control most of the media. There will be defectors in the media who will get it out... especially when they get some of the Deli shares as an enticement
klinkerke: vetzak
Wheres-da-BEEF: SEC has to be pooping their depends imo saying how in the heck does hodges have all this evidence?
very_tired15: The SEC is headed for some dismal times
golddigger_8: flopping like a fish
very_tired15: I would not want to be in the SEC when more of the facts do come out... their lives will be in danger
pardonmi: its thier fault allen
wodan11: lol benny
aguili_2_1: if they pay all this dirt won't won't be spilled
Wheres-da-BEEF: Jimmy52B: Dennis said big things were going on behind the scenes
Wheres-da-BEEF: they better pay us before Mt. Saint Hodges explodes
very_tired15: I feel a sense of pity for these criminals.. they are totally lost souls
INES1OO: i think that hodges is turning SEC inside out.
INES1OO: and they need it.
dj lancerock: NO PITY!!
INES1OO: they could have released the funds already.
INES1OO: they need more exposure.
very_tired15: I would imagine.. but they will likely have a contingency plan to get blood from them...
very_tired15: jail and an open cover
INES1OO: i dont have any pitty on them.
ground_fog: yes sec just doesnt want to pay us imo
pardonmi: it already did mount st hodges blew its top yesterday
Wheres-da-BEEF: me neither
INES1OO: none
Wheres-da-BEEF: i pitty their momma
Wheres-da-BEEF: and kids
INES1OO: they proved to us that this late in the game, they still dont care.
very_tired15: I hear you Ines.. just a general statement.. they are total losers.. a waste of life
INES1OO: and want to keep status quo
INES1OO: they need more exposure and more embarasement.
INES1OO: just when i remember all the stone walling and ridicule of the shareholders.
INES1OO: it was discusting.
INES1OO: sec and tyler gang.
pardonmi: the doj imo is going to have a field day with this
aguili_2_1: allan do u still think that the sec will eventually pay us?
dj lancerock: I want to go eat at their fancy restaurants and just be LOUD!!
INES1OO: i dont like tyler gang in how they treated shareholders.
INES1OO: i guess i never will.
royalstarofthelion: There's the old quassi gov agency SEC , and the new and improved SEC , two different animals imo
INES1OO: .
Wheres-da-BEEF: i'll get over it..............if they pay us
INES1OO: they are the same sheit royal
INES1OO: shows by them still not wanting to release our fundds.
INES1OO: and wanting simply to throw the case out.
INES1OO: .
INES1OO: just look at actions.
INES1OO: nothing else.
GW -sometimes-in-Ga: Hey Cash Cab Ines
INES1OO: .
pardonmi: its the judge who we needed to hear this
jacbert: He was listed on the mtd... as one of the attorneys
cobrajock123: Greed is the devils tool, but justice is the lords
Wheres-da-BEEF: true
jacbert: keith staub
pardonmi: it was not thrown out
wodan11: ines works for debeers
ground_fog: it's the same people mostly too
dj lancerock: hard to disagree
ground_fog: even Shapiro was at finra-finra is corrupt too
Mike_Laura: That is what I was thinking.
tokenjo: they bought more time
rt12diamond: vood ..zip it
ratnaraj: But it's the "new and improved" SEC..
wodan11: et
wodan11: lol
silver108: SEC controlled by Wall Street
INES1OO: but as alan said its not time for evidentary stuff
seemseek: SEC bought time
INES1OO: yes seem
INES1OO: they are the same crooks
INES1OO: .
gkhaus1: you're on fire ines! good to hear that.
dj lancerock: what kind of tune is K Dubya signing these days?
seemseek: we best be paid this week or next
INES1OO: but pardon mi you are talking about .. judge, which is not sec
Wheres-da-BEEF: seemseek.........................Hodges also gave them more time by asking for an additional 15 days
ratnaraj: Yeah.. but it's the "new and improved" SEC..
very_tired15: At this stage of the case, evidence is not for consideration, ONLY the form of the complaint
oneday_w suport: bottom line we all gotta relax cuz we dont know the why how or anything else going on, and never will, just pay us, im very impressed by ah though
SiriusNews: wow well said
INES1OO: alan did we find out who wrote that thing from last week, is that from judge or sec?
INES1OO: you are saying it came from finra?
SiriusNews: exactly. now put the heat on SEC. no one knows where that line item came from
INES1OO: sec had to do something wigth that.
Aztecs: At the hearing yesterday Al Hodges said Bob Maheu gave the SEC control over when they release the funds! What's done is done I
very_tired15: Think about this one - if the federal attorney defending the SEC directors discovers that they are illeglaly holding funds, will they file charges against them as the federal prosecutors should? Interesting potential for a conflict of interest
seemseek: I was impressed with the little info we were supplied in the case
INES1OO: rite
SiriusNews: dead on Royal
INES1OO: but info did not have to come from official source in sec but a person that does not think its right.
wodan11: hey sirius
INES1OO: see thaT PART
SiriusNews: hello wodan
wodan11: go and get them
goldengirl_777: Interesting! Hey, Just PAY us!
rcar202: Allan, What next? What are the next steps/stages to go through?
pardonmi: thease people were crooks
Mike_Laura: They didn't think anybody would see that line.
ground_fog: maybe some good guys at the sec leaked it, they can't all be bad
ratnaraj: Shapiro
marantz03: shapiro
wodan11: i think ines lives in the same cave like tiger now
wodan11: or in bad
ground_fog: exactly ines imo
pardonmi: and aquire
SiriusNews: SEC will be forced to come out and confess about the sting
readmylips_2: PJ, Check your IM
marantz03: whistleblower
very_tired15: Gary Aguirre is a stud - plain and simple
INES1OO: i have never seen tigers cave
INES1OO: his is in nyc
very_tired15: A hero
JustLucky: (11:21 AM) very_tired15: Think about this one...if the federal attorney defending the SEC directors discovers that they are illeglaly holding funds, will they file charges against them as the federal prosecutors should? Interesting potential for a conflict of interest.
pardonmi: lol allen
SiriusNews: I have two of those videos on twitter about Fox and SEC . need to find the other video with President Obama and transparency spin on it with SECrecy
pardonmi: he had help imo
Skylope: good title for a movie SECrecy
mrsbillyray: just came in, has anyone said anything about what cn happe if the money is not released by the 9th?
pardonmi: harry had help
oneday_w suport: for sure
fiddlehead_39a: fix financial system to make funds safe
very_tired15: An economy is like a pool. Different sectors at the shallow end and others at the deep end, according to their percentage of total value. If you have a leak in one part of the pool, it drains the value of all assets. Wall Street is responsible for your homes losing value, your stocks and bonds, the reduced value of money. The only thing that may survive unscathed are precious metals.
fiddlehead_39a: before payment made to us
INES1OO: alan, burden of proof falls on hodeges, but at what point can judge just flat out ask sec if such funds exist?
oneday_w suport: ah starring in, raiders of the lost trades
oneday_w suport: hehe
readmylips_2: IBM: "We are in a PARTNERSHIP of sorts, with the GOVERNMENT".
readmylips_2: Disclosure, Ines, which the SEC can NOT allow.
BTHotwheels: Even if the judge ask that... I dont think the SEC will tell anything truthful... imo.
tigerherb: Isn't it said that the best chess player is the one that is thinking several moves ahead
royalstarofthelion: I do NOT believe it will get that far , jmo
pardonmi: yes tiger
tigerherb: Hey Spiderman
INES1OO: well now they have additional 75 days
Conniejac: the best chess player has the game already played out in his head
INES1OO: do we count wekends in those 75 days?
INES1OO: alan?
INES1OO: how do we count the 75 days?
INES1OO: only working days or weekends too?
oneday_w suport: maybe they were just takin a cheap shot for dismissal, and it didnt work so on to the next try
JustLucky: anticipation of moves by your opponent
tigerherb: Hi Billy & Connie
vickes_11: doesn't tyler have a court case against roger glenn set for aug 17th or the 20th. should be interesting hearing glenn testify!
DiamondBilly: HEY TIGER
Jimmy52B: Oh but it is a game to the bad guys and they want to win
oneday_w suport: yes they have had their time, now its out time
wodan11: xmas in sepember
jfarn: Hello all
oneday_w suport: our
tigerherb: hey Jfarn
jacbert: ga jfarn
pardonmi: and i bet he figured they would not pay
SiriusNews: How you end the game.. Expose the SEC. who is delaying = SEC who has new rules in FinReg = SEC back Al Hodges and expose SEC
UCROCKS: people believe what they WANT to believe..there is no way to change their minds..no amount of logic will make a hill of beans difference~
ground_fog: they have been winning unofrtunately-they have succesfully wthheld our money 4+ more years than maheu intended
jfarn: I know Tom Miller was looking to verify the Wachovia accounts
wodan11: santa comming in august
SiriusNews: who has our money = SEC
Conniejac: Hey tigerherb.....it would only be 45 days....there is no response after that.....it is the judges decision
jfarn: I can do this in ten minutes time if provided the name of trust..
jfarn: account would be a bonuse
jfarn: bonus
pardonmi: everytime they said they would settle they went back on thier word al told us that
INES1OO: wodan when money comes i will mame you to my cave and then lock you in, go out spend your money.
ground_fog: Tom miller's source was koolmoney jfarn, so I would hold my breath on that one
wodan11: lol
wodan11: ines
jfarn: have a good friend who has global access to Wachovia accounts
very_tired15: 45+30 includes weekends too... I do not think that they will let it go long enough for Al to file. They do not want more specific facts included in the complaint. AH did the first one a little vague on purpose (my opinion) to save the individual parties the embarassment. The gloves are now off.
jfarn: I hear you ground
Speculari: well jfarn unfortunately his backing was koolmoneys info lol
aguili_2_1: I think they are stuck with the interest may be they want to keep it
INES1OO: unfortunately.. koolmoney is not very good at translating stuff
spiderman1959: It doesn't matter ....... it won't get there IMO
readmylips_2: http://www.cnbc.com/id/38517193/
Mike_Laura: Where is the funds on the Fed financial reports?
mineralsgalore: jfarn Allen said that Miller represented himself as being an attorney
jfarn: I emailed tom with my email/phone number...no call back
jfarn: he must know he has nothing
pardonmi: al put some of his cards on he table
jfarn: I agree Ines
oneday_w suport: loved it
very_tired15: TO me as well..or at least KM told me.. I can not remember
Speculari: correct j
spiderman1959: Agreed he is worth his salt
Wheres-da-BEEF: Alan................why do u think Al did the SEC a favor by tacking on 15 Extra Days!!!!!!!
geezer_49: I didnt take it that way ,45 days total is what I heard
Wheres-da-BEEF: me too Alan! thank you
rt12diamond:
very_tired15: The SEC did not ask for an extra 15 days... AH did
jfarn: I conucur
jfarn: concur
mrsbillyray: yes Alan thank you
gr8hiker: Jfarn : You thing a federal judge wants to sit through another few sessions knowing what he was provided with yesterday?
Wheres-da-BEEF: Alan i was always on the fence about you until the last few weeks.........thanks for everything!
jymskee:
jfarn: hello A tref
jfarn: negative gr8...
very_tired15: You're more than welcome and thanks for your kind words
readmylips_2: OK, Alan, Group HUG!!!
vickes_11: thanks alot Alan!
jfarn: imagine if a copy of that video conference exists
jfarn: game
very_tired15: Hi Jim
marantz03: INES <
oneday_w suport: i always said a t was a great guy for us, glad yall made up
geezer_49: I didnt hear 75 days
jfarn: set
jfarn: match
Mike_Laura: Keep the ball in your court, Al.
fiddlehead_39a: breaking up
mrsbillyray: what happens if the money is not released by the ninth.
jacbert: cutting out really bad marantz
roberts17_1: studdering marantz
royalstarofthelion: Gerry breaking p
ground_fog: if the sec wants it dismissed they they can order the money released-its that easy apparently
geezer_49: breaking up
royalstarofthelion: up
pardonmi: al showed part of his hand
readmylips_2: Too many rooms open
very_tired15: From what I see, the gov't does not want the First Amended Complaint to be filed...
jymskee:
jacbert: same
fiddlehead_39a: no
geezer_49: no
maximiliaan11: no
brp65432: y
Speculari: no
rt12diamond: Breaking up
Texaswonderwoman88: very_tired15: 45+30 includes weekends too... I do not think that they will let it go long enough for Al to file. They do not want more specific facts included in the complaint. AH did the first one a little vague on purpose (my opinion) to save the individual parties the embarassment. The gloves are now off. rt12diamond: no
oneday_w suport: yr good
very_tired15: gotta go.. door and neighbor calling me.. trashmen is coming
brnkobill: no
bugsbuddy: just hm
jackpotcmkx_1: no royal
jacbert: no Royal
fiddlehead_39a: just jerry
pardonmi: you are clear royal
gkhaus1: just marantz
vickes_11: just him
JDMerlin_CMKX: wasssup speculari
maximiliaan11: no just him
Texaswonderwoman88: ust marantz
Speculari: y
jackpotcmkx_1: better
tigerherb: yes
rt12diamond: better
roberts17_1: c u tref
Speculari: hey jd
very_tired15: ciao
chairon 3: THE DOJ, AS TO FULFILL THERE FUNCTION LIKE AL SAID
oneday_w suport: thanks alan
gkhaus1: ty allan
chairon 3: TOT/Y
chairon 3: T/Y
readmylips_2: Al H opened up the door yesterday, in a MASTERFUL way! He gave the court just enough to allow them to ask him to expand his suit. NOW, he has the opportunity to come out with both barrels ablaze!!!
ground_fog: we need some whistleblowers at the sec to come forward
chairon 3: HOMELAND SERCURITY STILL INVOLVED
readmylips_2: AND, they do not want to see that. I predict settlement sooner, not later.
chairon 3: THEY NEEDED MORE TIME
aguili_2_1: greed!
Bigfork: Hodges mentioned that the commissioners actions probably rose to the level of criminal
chairon 3: THIS IS WHY ANY ONE INCLUDING PLANTIFF'S KNOW ANYTHING FROM AL
gr8hiker: The courts gave the SEC first right of dispensing money jIMMY
chairon 3: IT'S DOJ PERIOD
Bigfork: sent 'em to jail says I
SiriusNews: we have the new Finreg Language to help us, either way. to help SEC pay us or the Help expose the SEC either way we win
aguili_2_1: they think that we don't desrve it.
chairon 3: IT'S DOJ HOLDING THIS UP
guru2: don't forget that donut eatting PITT
chairon 3: HAVE A GREAT DAY EVERYONE
INES1OO: if sec commissioners get in trouble they only have themselves to blame.
Speculari: he was the guy that said NSS
Speculari: guru
guru2: i got a bone to pic with him
INES1OO: and if this reaches out the mases to more embarasement to sec, its their own fault, but at this time they deserve it
SiriusNews: yes SEC is the maffia. the SEC kept $300 million from goldman Sachs $550 million. R U kidding me
INES1OO: exposure and embarasement.
INES1OO: to sec
ground_fog: Chirs coxis cuffs would be a pretty sight, but id rather get paid
Speculari: harvey layed blame on it early on he didnt last very long tho i guess it did not go over too well
INES1OO: public exposure and embarasement
Wheres-da-BEEF: Time to email yesterday's court hearing mp3 to FOX News IMO................they are all over this SEC trying to be less transparent issue
guru2: we had him by his short and curlies then he stepped down..
SiriusNews: Judge was great yesterday. asking questiuons in detail to get in the record
guru2: he knew EVERYTHING!!!
INES1OO: yes it was great
Speculari: they all know it all depends on how much heat they can take i guess
SiriusNews: who pays the trust and when?
Rickstock: why wouldn't they want this to go away Quietly, something just doesn't add up ?
readmylips_2: Just remember, those who we thought evil, may have been acting on our side, and vice versa...
dzoldnuts: yo Sirius Ines
SiriusNews: the judge was just as good as Al H.
dzoldnuts: pardonmi
Why didn't anyone mention nufced. She said she'd be at any and all trials. Or was she in Tyler?
If you didn't piss her off she would have posted about it here. But.........
Who was the old woman who was reading about the bank accounts
Don't know. Posters on other boards seem curious about who she is too.
How did they get the information regarding corporate accounts?
Don't know. Maybe from Mona's "banker sources". lol
How did this Tom guy find out about the $1000 check?
Tom was previously in their office and saw the check on a desk.
He also claimed Urbie was still the beneficiary of the account.
Take all the info about accounts/names with a grain of salt.
Then the beneficiary only gets money if the owner dies
The Chris W., and family on the account was very odd. Most Xer stuff is.
in other words Crazy Al hasn't seen any proof either
Well, his clients claim they haven't seen any evidence. Even to this day Treff claims to be ignorant about what Hodges may have.
Hodges is backed into a corner now. He has to name people, come up with a paper trail, etc., and his main witness is deceased (Maheu). He excluded Bill Majcher once again which speaks volumes, imo.
Wonder how large the courtroom was? I have this visual of the Xers sitting in the courtroom in awe as Hodges recapitulates the scene where Maheu gathers NSS from around the globe and shows them the video presentation. Too bad scenes like that only happen in the movies.
I would have been trying to control my laughter.
collect them all in a big room and offer them a deal, for 2 reasons; first of all to collect money for CMKX for what had been done to them in effect and second of all to teach these people a lesson that there were people out there watching what was going on hopefully that would head them off from continuing in such illicit and illegal and improper behavior. That was in fact done and I have a witness who was there when it was done. And they had a room about 3 times the size of your courtroom in which they had representatives from all these brokerages from all over the world who were there present and they watched a video presentation because Mr. Maheu
Wow! Why didn't Hodges mention the Queen? She is major player in the Economic Receipt, Global whatever thingy the Xers keep yapping about will happen on August 9th.
Are you trying to tell us that Treffrey perhaps misleads shareholders
who is this Miller guy? Who does he post as?
Miller is a local Tyler guy. He may be exclusive to PalTalk just like your X wendy is these days. ;)
Noooooo it is never Treff's fault! He is always lead astray by evildoers, or is it the voices in his head?
delusionalgrandeur
Re: Actual Recording Inside the Courthouse
« Reply #29 Today at 8:12am »
......fwiw he IS a lawyer, so you know how the saying goes.....
but then again, so is Hodges, whom I put in a class all by himself way above the frizz ball, and to digress a bit more, so is treffrey, or whatever his name is, whom btw seems to be the root of many, many, many past rumors tweeted into my fricking ear over the last month, and treffrey is no where near Hodges either, just so you know my thoughts on that one.
Hodges does stand alone, but supposedly with 50k+/- shareholders lives hanging in the balance.
It's time for the himming, and hawwing to effing stop. (however you spell that crap)
schmedrickk
Re: Tom Miller MP3 - 8/2/2010
« Reply #2 Yesterday at 10:01pm »
Excellent recap. Mr. Miller said he was going to expose his source (Koolmoney) if the source didn't come forward by today. Well he did expose Koolmoney and Treffry as the rumor mongers, gotta give him credit for following through. He does sound like a straight shooter.
I say we should extend an invitation for him to join this board. He knows how to dig for information better than a Hound Dog, and he ain't afraid to talk about what he finds, lol
Re: MTD HEARING TRANSCRIPT by carmelbeach
By: carmelbeach
03 Aug 2010, 03:47 AM EDT
Rating: Msg. 950852 of 950874
(Reply to 950843 by carmelbeach)
MTD HEARING TRANSCRIPT
This is not every single word but most of the interesting parts.
This did not go well for plaintiffs except that the judge was patient enough to listen politely to Hodges' fable without laughing audibly.
And both judge and defense were gracious enough to give Hodges another shot by redrafting his complaint, which was as unacceptable at the end of the hearing as at the beginning. And will be fatally flawed next time too.
http://www.zshare.net/download/7894805903af0af9/
0:08 plaintiffs Hamilton and Treffry in the courtroom.
HODGES 1:26 "We have alleged that a scheme, in effect, that is a sting operation, judged from the outside and not from the inside. Basically the sting operation was an operation put into effect through the Dept. of Homeland Security, the Dept. of Justice and the SEC commissioners. What we have alleged is that the SEC commissioners, as opposed to the agency itself, coordinated with these other institutions and at their request and in concert with them began a program whereby this company was rigged and the SEC Commission was fully aware at all times of the amount of naked shorting that was going on in this company."
HODGES 4:15 says money from Naked Shorting "was being sent offshore. It was being accumulated by hedge funds offshore. It was being sent to Iraq. It was being sent to Iran. It was being sent to Afghanistan. It was being sent to Hezbollah. This is one of the means in which these terrorist organizations were utilizing to fund their operations."
HODGES 7:30 Admits his complaint language was 'inartful' when he referred to the SEC rather than the SEC commissioners that he was 'aiming this at'. "The reason we are aiming only at the SEC commissioners is because under the statutory scheme that was set up after the first Great depression the SEC commission and the commissioners individually have the sole and exclusive right to make the decisions." Then references the Revocation hearing, which he attended, and explains that the Administrative Judge's decision had no effect until the Commission met and agreed on the 'delisting'.
9:10 back to the sting. The commissioners are the "people who spoke to the other governmental agencies and to the people representing, at least ostensibly, the company at that point in time, on this agreement to utilize this company, without knowledge to the shareholders, and part of a sting operation to trap all of these hedge fund people, that started way back in 2004. But it was those commissioners acting in an improper and ultra vires and probably criminal way because their mandate under the law is to protect the shareholders. They were doing exactly the opposite. They were entering into an agreement they knew was going to damage the shareholders, was going to drive this company out of business, which it did, and without notice, in a big secret. And it was only those commissioners who took that action that we're aiming this complaint at." Says subsequent commissioners are named because they have 'ratified' the others' actions and "refused to release this money, money that has been collected."
JUDGE 10:25 "Who in your analysis is the Trustee of the funds. Who owns the funds?"
HODGES "There are actually several Trustees who own the funds, one of whom is currently the DTCC and I only say that because I know the funds are on deposit at the DTCC."
JUDGE "What document governs the terms under which they hold those funds?"
HODGES 11:15 "A trust agreement. Between the people who originally set this up."
JUDGE "Who are?"
HODGES "One of whom was Bob Maheu."
JUDGE "What control does the SEC have over this Trust Fund?"
HODGES "They don't have any direct control over the Trust Fund. The agreement, however, that was originally entered into, as I understand the testimony of everyone that I have been able to accumulate without the opportunity to do actual discovery. My understanding is that Bob Maheu and several of his associates entered into a deal first with the Dept. of Justice and they got the SEC on board [garbled] ... primarily Christopher Cox ...... and the essence of the agreement they made was that in order to make this sting effective the company would go and pump its stock up, which it did, and the government would assist in that operation, which it did."
JUDGE "How?"
HODGES 12:45 "There is evidence that they paid for some of the expenses associated with a car, a drag-racing car that had CMKM painted on the outside of it, that was being very publicly bandied about the internet and raced in various jurisdictions. One of their ex-employees, a gentleman named Roger Glenn .... signed on to increase the stock at the request of the SEC, I am told, and he came into CMKX during 2004 and from when he arrived there the number of authorized shares of the company were on the order of either one or two hundred billion .... When he left some 9 or 10 months later the authorized shares had illegally and improperly, under every law that I'm aware of at least, had been raised to 800 billion shares. And this company eventually sold some 700 billion shares of stock."
JUDGE 14:05 asks "Why isn't your claim against the clearing house acting as trustee for these funds?"
HODGES "Because that would be like suing the escrow company."
"The original agreement there was a [war?] that ensued after the sting got under operation because what the sting always contemplated was that Mr. Maheu would collect all of these bad-doers, the hedge fund people and people like TD Waterhouse and all the other top brokerage houses around who were naked shorting this company, collect them all in a big room and offer them a deal, for 2 reasons; first of all to collect money for CMKX for what had been done to them in effect and second of all to teach these people a lesson that there were people out there watching what was going on hopefully that would head them off from continuing in such illicit and illegal and improper behavior. That was in fact done and I have a witness who was there when it was done. And they had a room about 3 times the size of your courtroom in which they had representatives from all these brokerages from all over the world who were there present and they watched a video presentation because Mr. Maheu, as the court may be aware, was at one time closely associated with the CIA, Howard Hughes and all kinds of other people."
"At any rate, all these people were accumulated in this room and they were shown a video and a slide presentation of all of the evidence of their wrongdoing and they were offered an opportunity - you can either step up and sign away your money and pay a reasonable amount for each transaction that you did illegally and improperly or you can walk out of here and get prosecuted and go to jail because what you did is criminal. And every single person in that room stepped up and made a deal. After that time there became a big conflict between the SEC commissioners and the other governmental entities who were supporting the SEC commissioners about who was going to have the right to release this money to the shareholders and when. And my understanding is it went on for some number of months but ultimately the SEC commissioners prevailed and convinced Mr. Maheu and his associates that it had to be their decision because only they and the rest of the government could determine when the sting had fulfilled its function. And that was the basis upon which he gave them the power to make this decision about when the money was to released. And it's my understanding that every trust that is currently being held for release of this money is being held by a person who is sworn to observe that requirement; that the SEC, the US Government, whoever's going to make this payment goes first. My information is that it was the SEC commissioners who have this power. That's why they are defendants in this case."
JUDGE asks for his theory that it's a 'taking'.
HODGES says the money was supposed to have been released within a year of the delisting. "It is a taking only because they refuse, notwithstanding information that they have continued to give to various shareholders, they continue to refuse to release this money."
DEFENSE ATTORNEY TAPP[?]then speaks, says much of this material he's hearing for the first time, that it wasn't pled in the complaint - JUDGE interjects "I found it very educational" [in a tone that sounds mildly sarcastic or amused to me] - TAPP [seemingly in the spirit of the judge's remark] "Indeed. True or not I don't know."
TAPP "But we are here to discuss what's in the complaint, that we're not here to give oral argument and present testimony about facts that no one has any idea about, certainly not myself. We are here to talk about what's in the complaint, whether it was properly pled under Rule 8 under the Iqbal decision... and as this court pointed out in the Tentative it is not properly pled."
JUDGE 19:27 "Yeah I'm satisfied with that in the Tentative. Best case for the plaintiff here would be to dismiss with leave to replead."
JUDGE then directs the discussion to the issues of Bivens and Sovereign Immunity. Judge and Tapp kick those issues around briefly. You can listen for yourself to the legal stuff. The audio quality is not as good for Tapp as it was for Hodges. shortly the judge wraps it up
JUDGE 23:20 "Well what I'm inclined to do is to dismiss with leave to replead for failure to meet the Rule 8 requirements, and not, and to dismiss the claims against their, in their official capacity as a matter of Sovereign Immunity and leave the other issues until we've got a pleading which passes muster."
TAPP "I would only ask that the government have 30 days to respond [garbled]"
HODGES "I certainly recognize, Your Honor, the need to be more specific in the complaint and I appreciate the court's willingness to give us leave"
JUDGE "How much time do you want?"
HODGES "45 days would be helpful."
No Objection from TAPP
JUDGE "And then 30 days to respond by answer to the motion..... OK then we'll modify the Tentative accordingly."
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So who DID record it? And did that person do so legally? My understanding is that you can't take cameras or recording devices into Federal Court without permission.
Highly unusual. The first report of it seems to have come from PalTalk. jlee?
cmkxbillionaire: (10:38 PM) jacbert: MTD hearing 80210 jlee from the courtroom http://www.zshare.net/audio/7894805903af0af9/