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Easy big steed!! Let's get back to basics outside of this mindless game of talking stocks up or down. Does Tivus have the product that Host and Marriott International have and want more of? Yes. Is it the cutting edge of ad inserted revenue to provide the hospitality industry an additional revenue stream? Yes. Does their sales program offer installation at no cost with contracts starting after installation? Yes. Is Shiva a financial wizard? No. Does this company answer as many questions as possible? Yes, within reasonable expectations. Has PM, SP and SH disappeared with the big corporate money and living in Bermuda? No. THERE AIN'T ANY!
We had one release today that indicates that this stock has been played by short sellers, and possibly naked short sellers. So for those people who want to save us all from ourselves, and for those who almost always post in a negative framework, just one question: Where's the beef? What I have seen today is supposition, conjecture, panic, and rumor mongering. Most don't even know what the T2T is even about. Take a pill and enjoy this weekend. I suspect that early next week SP through SH will comment on this situation and then we can all get back to meaningful basics rather than whiplash business conjecture and pop psychology on who is ripping off whom. Tivus, be an ORCA. R3 Fry Guppy
Post #25723 gives you the link to the trade for trade. I think that is what you asked. R3
Dmo, what is your take on the overall impact of this trade for trade. I agree with waggett that if this limits potential naked shorting of this stock, it could be positive. Could this have come from Shiva filing complaints through their attorney's? Or could this be a warning that the company has reached it's AS and all trades will be slowed down to minimize violating the AS? On it's face, it seems like a potentially good thing. I will write SH. R3
Sometimes when we want something to break loose, we do real navel gazing! This share price isn't good or bad, it is just what it is. If you look at it from one side, with an extra 100,000,000 being pumped into the system, I am surprised we are not sitting at .0001. I think that reflects the strength of the company that it still holds in at .005 or above. Essentially, we are where we were last month with 100,000,000 more dilution. Really, not bad! Now, do we wish it was at .10 and does it deserve to be there and above, YES!
I am a broken record on this, but when we get real $'s, then we can measure the impact of these converts, 504's and the like. Then you can start multiplying earnings by real numbers and in that determine the value of this company. Right now our best guess is 300,000,000 OS. Get a real $35 million deal shortly, and I bet you can think about a .03 per share with a 15 to 20 pe ratio. That is .45 -.60 based on REAL NUMBERS, not "Now we are ready to take off" statements. You want some fun, tell each other what you will be worth at .60 versus what you put into this company in stock! I can wait, but I would like it sooner than later. The sooner, the less dilution. Go Tivus, be an ORCA! R3 Fry Guppy
Let's see if we can make a little sense out of this. "News" is NOT about relationships, maybe's, hope to see's, and what if's! News for a pre-revenue company only consists of one element: R-E-V-E-N-U-E!!!!! Tivu's share price is no longer based on unknowns. It is only based on $'s and this they have not posted. So don't be depressed or worried about the price not going up on "good news". There is no good news without $'s. R3
This is just part of a reply from SH on our new relationship. I am not posting the total reply, but this looks like a good back scratching deal for both.
"Generically, a strategic partnership is a formal alliance between two commercial enterprises, usually formalized by one or more business contracts but falls short of forming a legal partnership or, agency, or corporate affiliate relationship. A strategic partnership (agreement) with another company, for the purpose of undertaking business endeavors together on each others behalf, can be for financing, sales, marketing, distribution or other activities. In TiVUS' case, it is a sales & marketing relationship."
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Sorry: Strategic Partnership R3
Silly question: What is the "strategic relationship" with Tel? What do they get and what do we get? Two pertinent questions, IMHO. R3
Don't get all warm and fuzzy. I am pleased, but we all know what really will make us move: REVENUE!! This will be a bump but will wear off soon. But I am pleased with the move and if there was money attached, BOOM. No mun, no fun. It's still coming and Tivus is really trying to be an ORCA. R3 Fry Guppy
My recommendation is that everyone take a pill and chill. Let the company handle their own mess. I suspect that they care just as much as we do and probably way more. They made a decision to keep the company moving forward with bad financing. Maybe they had no other decision. Would we rather they just quit? So let's have a coffee break, go to Starbucks or whoever does your brew, and relax.
Tivus is becoming an ORCA and the last thing they need is a bunch of other amateurs, other than themselves, muddling the water. They have lawyers, they have the Marriott's, and they need to be accountable for their actions. This is pinkyland, folks. Strap on your belt, sit in the sun, and get ready for a ride of a lifetime. IT is what it is. R3 Fry Guppy
Don't start calling hotels, stanley! You are late, but we have previously been through this. People annoy the h-ll out of these hotels does nothing but hurt the copmpany. Your suspicions are old hat. We have verified their relationship with these institutions until we are blue in the face. R3
By the way, this crisis of management can be a real positive for their future if they learn from this. If they don't they will be just another dumb company with a great idea that can't manage their dollars to build a great company. Shiva, if you don't know finance, get someone who does!!! R3
Remember that Tivus decreased it from 2 billion to 300,000,000 without our permission. Knowing what they knew, it was a bad move to go lower than 1 billion shares. We would all be happy right now rather than feeling like we have been ripped. A RS would be a disaster and probably permanently hurt shareholder relationships. The third time is a back breaker. They probably thought share price would hold and we wouldn't come anywhere close to 300,000,000. They just made a bad decision. Now how do you clean it up with this convert/angel investor/derivative mess they bought into? My guess is increase the AS to 750,000,000 and pray that we get MONEY ASAP in order to stop the bleeding of cheap shares. Once money is in, go to a share buy back quickly and shrink the AS and OS. It can be done, but requires discipline and financial insight. R3 Fry Guppy
We now know that Tivu has been the source of their trouble, and not short selling. They have blown through 100,000,000 shares or so in the last 45 days. I have seen other companies go past the AS, but I don't know for how long. I suspect they will have to increase the AS, but for the sake of all shareholders, I hope that get these contracts released. As was said, it isn't the 300,000,000, but it is where they go from here. They need revenue and they need it ASAP. R3
I like CaptJake's assessment. If Tivus is so fortunate to land a 10 hotel deal and if the numbers are $30 million, the possible earnings could be 1/3rd of that total. A pe ratio of 15-20 would give us a reasonable sp of .60-.80. That would be nice. If there were any other reported contracts by year's end (and we should expect that in a couple of areas) we could be approaching that $1.00 target of mine. I like it and I hope Tivus becomes an ORCA! R3 Fry Guppy
Without news, the stock will build slowly until week's end, and then the shorts will hit it again. Up and down it goes until substantive news is released, and even then the process will probably continue. Just when we think there are no more converts and shorts playing this company, BOOM! This has been the pattern now for weeks. Don't get too optimistic until Host steps up and that 12-18 month build out proposal results in $'s, and even then it will be played. I am not saying the sp won't go up, but that it faces continued assault from short sellers. R3
Anyone who doesn't think this stock is being shorted thinks that yo-yo's are a natural gravity defying machine! Tivus is being hammered over and over again for short sellers. Look at the pattern that goes on over and over; a run-up to .01 or a little above, then within 48 hours the price is 1/2 of what it was with huge volumes. This is short selling, naked or not. Here is my prediction; when news of Host hits and if it is significant, the shorts will let it run north for a couple of days, and then watch it fall. Now it will probably stay higher than the sub-cent level, but it will still be hammered. There are an awful lot of shares changing hands and I think securities attorneys for Tivus should take a look at naked short selling. As the price of the stock goes up, we will have a better idea if this is an orchestrated assault, or just converts taking us all for a ride on toxic financing. I suspect the latter, but time will tell. In the meantime, Tivus needs to hammer as many contracts as it can and get out as much news as possible to run into the fourth quarter and end the year with a bang! QS needs to earn it's money and be posting relevant news over and over again. So far, I think they suck as a PR firm. Go Tivus! Be an ORCA. R3 Fry Guppy
.0085 is nice, but without an announcement, it just won't hold. We need the big news to move north with all the playing going on here. GLTA. R3
Markdm, I am not convinced at this point that a RS will occur. I do understand your reasoning, but there are many successful companies whose AS are unlimited or in the billions. Do I think the number of shares traded should be lower? Of course! Do I think that a company turning $100,000,000 per annum with recurring revenue and a building business can command dollars versus pennies? You bet, and Tivus has that potential by the end of next year. But you are correct that it will make it harder, and I think that when revenue starts running, Tivus needs to do buy backs which will do two things: increase share price and build great confidence in a growing company. The RS is a loser at any rate, and the BB is a winner. That is what they need to shoot for in the next 12 months. IMHO. R3
While there are many synergies between hospitality industry and Tivus, I doubt they would want to expand into the tech field. What we see as the winning edge today, can be the losing edge in 12-18 months with tech changing faster than Houdini escaping from a locked chest. Besides, what would a fair price be with a company who is just getting started and really can't judge the future of it's products? We think they are great and very appealing, but this is just the start. If there is a buyout or merger, I would propose that LNET or some tech company with heft might want to get in on the productive future. Anyway you cut it, for the buying firm, it is a risk and Tivus would be nuts at this stage to take a cheap buyout without knowing more about it's true future value. Shiva is betting everything he has on this and I don't think he wants to turn over his baby for someone else to get the credit while he becomes a potential footnote in tech and hospitality history. We know the Bill Gates' of the world, but few remember Adam Osborn. I say stick with the girl you brought to the dance for now, and hopefully Tivus along with Host will have a nice announcement this week. R3
That Tivus has been pounded is undeniable. Now, has it been done by converts, short sellers, warrants, or illegal activities. Who knows. I do think that securities attorneys need to take a hard look at this. It does seem to me that there would be a lot more money to make if they let the stock rise, and then hit it with a short sale. Whoever is doing this is making peanuts compared to making a ton by taking down a bigger target. I have said it before that this company should be way up the board on price with it's connections and contract rumors, let alone nice contracts. I'm sorry but people who short these stocks are what is ruining the stock market and for those doing naked short selling, they belong in jail. Period. GLTA this week. R3
I am taking a Tivus weekend break! GLTA R3
Lots of life still left in Tivus. IT's just been born and is trying to get off the t-t to eat meat. R3
We are all gambling on Tivu. Want a "sure thing" (you know, like Enron and GM and the likes) play on the big boards. We are risking along with Shiva our money (although not any of us is 100% in like Shiva!) that this company makes it and makes it big. Btw, can you imagine what risk Host is taking linking up with a pink sheet stock!?! If I was their attorney(s), I would insist no announcement on any contract until the audits are done and uplisting proceedings were in process. If they actually do release this with Tivus as a pinkie, they risk their financial and technical reputations on this play. Ouch! It better work or they look like a major company who got flim flammed by a minor league player. Tivus, be an ORCA. R3 Fry Guppy
Yellowdog, I get your meaning. But Tivus has to face up to a reality. No company, even one with revenue, will reach it's pinnacle if it's financials are muddled and unclear. They must establish trust, and just issuing financials that don't answer questions about "contracts" will always hold this stock price back. It's in the financials that pe ratios and ultimate share price will be determined, not in press releases. I am pro-Tivus and I don't need a PR every day, but I do want clarity in financials that reflect what they tell me they are doing. Does that make sense? R3
Let me be clear. When I say financial ineptitude, I am NOT saying that they had a lot of other choices to begin with. I think how they arranged the converts was not good, but maybe they didn't have any other choices. How they have handled this in the last couple of months does bring my criticism. The inability of their accounting procedures to report accurately the DT contract is a part of that. I still see nothing on this, and we are talking months after announcing a "contract". Their efforts in this remind me of cruising through a fog bank. It is tough and confusing, and that adds to uncertainty. R3
It does take time for legal work to be completed, and the time frame lapse in between an announcement and the final PR will take time. Remember, Tivus is trying to estimate a 12-18 month build out for other hotels and they are doing this with limited staff and involving multiple contractors reporting on their capabilities to handle subs. That takes time.
Unfortunately, we are sitting in the middle of financial movement that appears to be manipulative and destructive at all levels. To this, the company has said and done nothing. I have seen video games that move more slowly than this financial situation. I think we are in a real difficult situation financially, and honestly, I don't think Tivus knows what to do. They say nothing about the finances and keep referring to attorney's. A RS is probably not the best answer, and if the converts are as bad as they seem, they probably need to raise the AS to "unlimited" and just run the white flag of surrender up the flag pole financially. After all, I still believe that the biggest issue is not the 504's or the warrants, or discounts, but the REVENUE. We will all be a lot poorer because of their financial ineptitude, but we will still make money when the income rolls in. Tivus, be an ORCA. R3
This is the gamble of penny stocks. You hopefully do enough DD that when you invest, it will pay off in 100's of %'s, not a great 5% move. I find regular stocks to be somewhat boring and despite what people say, are often quite unpredictable. Sometimes they move on a whim, and if you are lucky, you get 1% and by year's end, 10-15%. No thanks. I will take Mutual Funds rather than go through the agony of watching "regular" stocks. Now, if you have a death wish, play commodities. Wow, that is a roller coaster. GLTA. R3 and Tivus be an ORCA and make it today.
Happy Birthday, CaptJake! Give us your shoe size and maybe Tivus will send you a new pair!! Of course, it would be great if we all got a new pair of shoes on your birthday, as in the Philly contract specifics. By the way, I got a new pair of Crocs the other day and have been pleasantly surprised that a cheap shoe gives really great comfort. R3
Now that is funny!! Waiting for the dump? Ha-Ha! It may be the only dump with a sub-penny oversold stock with multi-millions of dollars in revenue already pr'd and ready to be reported. JMHO and no offense intended, dude, but that is funny.
I don't know about all the hyping on other boards and if that does anyone any good. But I can tell you that many of our posts about "how big this can be" without any supportive information is a standard pinky pump, and any semi-savy investor will not pay any attention to it. It does smack of mindless investing IMHO. There does seem to be a floor being established under Tivus, and perhaps that will serve us well when the Philly news is finally released.
Generally, I am not a big chart reader on pinks. Pinks swing wildly depending on news releases, and they defy technical analysis IMHO. It's like trying to estimate eps ratios without a track record of revenue and the company fulfilling it's promises. Generally, Tivus has fulfilled it's promises. It's big black eye is in the area of dilutive financing. If you took that off the board, Tivus would be much farther up the charts in share price. How much? One can only speculate, but much higher than where we currently find our price, at sub-penny. I look at other companies that do not have a huge dilutive financing issue, and they have no income, no contracts, small sales, and they sit at .40 for no good reason. I am ready to move on the Philly contract and more. R3
Was the $50,000 (5,000,000 shares) an individual buy or an institution? R3
For sometime I have wondered how people can either be blind or deaf to Tivus! This is easily a .05 with the rumor, and if multi-million dollar deal is announced with Fortune 500 Host . . . . . ! Well, I know better to make predictions on the short run, but I am still holding to that 1$ by year's end. Look for the build out report to Host, another hotel contract of some means, and probably one of those should be from Vegas. What do companies have to risk? Hotels get revenue paying for the job, and revenue after the job for as far as we can see. Stock price? Who knows. Tivus be an "ORCA"! R3 Fry Guppy
ID, please remember that Tivus can convert any contract into cash for operating or buying back shares, or for whatever they feel business wise they need. That opens up other possibilities. GLTU R3
There are several factors that line up for Tivus. Their total indebtedness is relatively small. Civil court proceedings are also not uncommon with small companies and those who have sold them assets or other capital property. What is very important in this process is a contract from a Fortune 500 company that can easily be converted into cash. People wanting to invest in this company as a short play want the volatility to continue. They don't care a thing for the company, merely want to see price fluctuation and they play the swings. Just realize who you are talking to and their statements intended to create instability are all a part of their game plan. Such is life. What will kill them is a company that gets contracts with money, uplisting, and greater corporate stability. Then they move on to more red meat. IMHO. R3, and Tivus, BE AN ORCA and get this contract released asap.
I think that everyone just hoped that the OS would stay lower for the sake of share price and profit. You are right, of course, that even at the outer limits this is not bad for a pinky, but probably not what one would want for the Nasdaq or even BB or QX. The PE ratio will always be tied to the share number, and of course that means dilution of the PPS, not the death of the company. I would still hope that this contract gets to market and constrains the conversion of this type of financing to keep the OS at a lower number. R3
Here is the silliness about getting cheap shares; it drives us all closer to a RS! It is false economy to want to keep the share price down so I can buy more, so I can then get them hacked in a 20:1 RS! The only true way out of this is revenue, and getting that done quickly. So, SP and SH I suggest you get on the backs of your attorney's to get this deal penned and out to the public. Today with no news, up a little, down a little more. IMHO R3
By the way, my analysis did not take into account any ad insertion revenue at Philly, and how that might be paid out to help settle the contract with DT and still bring in some substantial revenue to Tivus to continue building our operations. This is big monthly revenue. Geez, think about other contracts, folks!!!!! This puppy is loaded with front and back end revenue; one that starts with revenue and one that ends with even more revenue! Wow! I am long this stock and if someone knows of competition to beat this, please let me know. It sure isn't Lodg_net which is sinking like a rock. I wonder why? This is definitely like Forest Gump's fruit company Lt. Dan invested in: APPLE! R3
I totally agree. They delivered and did it on time. Tivus is fully reporting Pink. It ain't pretty, but nothing compared to so many other pinks that sell on their personalities. So there are $2.2 million in Capital needs for installations, and about $1.5 million deficit in operating expenses (I did not look closely at this so I could be off: feel free to correct me). If Philly is in the $3 million area, Tivus can borrow up to 80% on the contract. That gives them about $2.4 million in cash in which to operate. Some of this $2.2 million in installation costs have already been met. What I am saying is that this is ONE deal. We will still be waiting for their 12-18 month build out for other hotels. Tivus should be in the black by early to mid 2012! If the share price responds in the next month to this contract and that 12-18 month build out, the price should be well beyond .03. It should be .15, .20 and up. Some of you working on the derivatives like DMO, what does this do to the share count? I would like to know if we are sitting at .05-.07 in 30 days, what does that do to our OS? Just for fun. Tivus, BE THAT ORCA and BE THAT TOMORROW! R3 Fry Guppy
Check Tivus.com. R3