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mfred,
Approx. three or so years ago, I talked to someone working on the project at the zoo. They at that time said that they were having some minor problems with the system how-ever the KDS was doing its job.
I was told that after they got the system's issues solved they hoped to promote it as a model to other zoo's for replication.
I have not followed up since then. The Zoo's own website at that time discussed the project and had contact names.
RJ
Sorry cpac,
That is FASC's responsibility, not ours. We can only seek information and decide if we want to invest or not.
RJ
Charlie,
You for got "muddy"!
RJ
cpac,
I do not see that it is our job here to procure new investors. It is nice to seek out and share information as we can about FASC in-spite of those things that we do not control or care to whine about.
It would be nice to get PR information on FASC. Since we are not, we can do what we can control rather than worry about what we can not.
I know it is elementary, but it seems it needed to be said.
RJ
cpac,
In South Korea, the KDS is still in a testing situation. Yes there is a machine being used and evaluated in the process of sludge. It was a few years ago that S Korea had a competition for systems, another system was the winner, but other processes were going to continue to be used, experimented with and studied. The KDS is one that is being looked at for converting the sludge into a sell-able product.
South Korea built their own KDS, however there were parts to the KDS that needed a better quality steel and engineering expertise that was made by Mainland Machinery then shipped to S Korea for assembly with the majority S Korea made KDS.
FASC S. Korea has a license agreement with FASC Canada. If I remember it is a royalty situation.
This is old information I shared a couple years ago with this group. The S. Korea Machine has been operating for quite some time.
Old DD from Memory,
RJ
TR,
I do my own DD and don't worry about proving anything to anyone. Share away TR! If they don't like your posts that is their problem.
When posts are referring to other posters, Why are they not being deleted? It should not be one sided.
FASC will eventually speak for itself.
RJ
cpac,
People each have their opinions. Different opinions here should be shared. Some people here mock others opinions and I thought those posts were supposed to be deleted? TOU
RJ
Waite,
Talking about former members of this board, do you remember Roddick?
I was renting a house on the Weeki Wachee river in Florida last month. Out by the pool I was grilling fish when I noticed the cleaner/scraper hanging on the grills side was just like the one I bought from Roddick way back when! I hope he made a boat load of money off it.
Have a great where-ever you wish to be!
RJ
Hi Waite,
"would like to hold on for at least a nickel a share. Then I can pass on with a big smile on my face. Dave"
You cannot take it with you, so....why don't you just hang around a while with us!
RJ
Hi TR,
I stopped by and visited with Waite today. He was Wii Bowling with a couple of his buddies. The game was competitive and intense! How-ever Waite pulled through with a 269 squeezing out a win to continue his championship leadership in the sport!
Now I need to share something with you my friends. Following the bowling game, Waite and I began our FASC summit meeting. During the meeting I could see that he seemed healthier and sharper of mind. I am in deep concern that this may effect his Hospice status and be around for a while longer monitoring and bringing balance to this FASC board. He has suspiciously been on Hospice for extended period of time reaching 9 months. Six months is the generally accepted length of time allowed for such services. The point I am trying to make is that we may have to accept the fact that Waite is probably going to be around for a while.
Congrats to Waite for his well being!
RJ
Charlie,
I con-cur,
RJ
Charlie,
Me to.
I do not always agree, but I do appreciate always.
RJ
TR,
I have done my DD as you suggest, but as much as I am aware of the many possibilities for FASC, I am also aware of the difficulty for it to survive that long. Either way I will not cry or complain. Ok, maybe once, but not over and over and over and over and....
Let us all wish each other well.
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!!!!!!!!!
RJ
cpac,
It is not an on coming FASC train is it?
RJ
Hi Waite,
Its a family thing? Float or sink together!
RJ
Hi Jim,
That also, is my theory. We must have gone to different schools together!
RJ
Sam,
From a Veolia PR:
The sludge treatment plant will be commissioned in 2013. The waste water sludge, mainly collected from Stonecutters Island Sewage Treatment Works, the largest treatment facility in Hong Kong (also with Arup as its consultant), will be incinerated by fluidised bed incinerators. It will evaporate all of the water content in the sludge and burn 90% of the remaining solid component, thus the capacity required in landfills for sludge disposal will be greatly reduced.
The facility will provide Hong Kong with an iconic landmark building that is respectful of its environment. It will be entirely self sufficient; generating and exporting power to the regional electricity grid and processing sea water through a desalination plant. Rainwater will be collected for non-potable use, and waste water will be treated and re-used on site with a very low impact on the environment.
The above describes what is to happen at the worlds largest sludge treatment plant in Hong Kong. The sludge will be dewatered and incinerated.
TR,
There is much more reading available. The facility being built now
seems to be a de-watering and incinerating process.
RJ
TR,
I am early in researching, and time limited on my being able to wrap my mind around who is the biggest influence in Hong Kong on sludge. With that I posted a couple of articles I have read.
It may be a little while before I have a strong opinion on how strong our opportunity is?
Hope is hope!!!
RJ
TR,
New win: World’s largest Sludge Treatment Works
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English
25 Mar 2011
Arup has recently been appointed as principal designer to the Veolia-Leighton-John Holland joint venture (JV) to construct the world’s largest sludge treatment works in Hong Kong.
Arup was the JV’s civil, structural, geotechnical and power generation designers during the tender stage, with engineers from Hong Kong, UK and Australia being influential in developing the project’s striking architectural design.
The sludge treatment plant will be commissioned in 2013. The waste water sludge, mainly collected from Stonecutters Island Sewage Treatment Works, the largest treatment facility in Hong Kong (also with Arup as its consultant), will be incinerated by fluidised bed incinerators. It will evaporate all of the water content in the sludge and burn 90% of the remaining solid component, thus the capacity required in landfills for sludge disposal will be greatly reduced.
The facility will provide Hong Kong with an iconic landmark building that is respectful of its environment. It will be entirely self sufficient; generating and exporting power to the regional electricity grid and processing sea water through a desalination plant. Rainwater will be collected for non-potable use, and waste water will be treated and re-used on site with a very low impact on the environment.
The plant will create a new kind of environment that integrates work, education, health and social well-being. An environmental education centre is designed to welcome the public and will become a valued destination for the community to relax and benefit from holistic therapy. The centre includes a visitor’s gallery and a viewing platform providing escorted visits for the public. There are also lecture theatres, an exhibition space, indoor spas, coffee and gift shops and outdoor gardens with foot baths and water features for public use.
Fergal Whyte, Arup’s East Asia Energy, Resource and Industry Leader, said: "This is an extremely important win for Arup. We are proud to help Hong Kong deliver its commitment to developing a sustainable economy with state-of-the-art sludge treatment facilities."
TR,
From 2010'
Veolia Environnement wins a design-build-operate contract for a state-of the-art sludge treatment plant
5 october 2010
The Hong Kong Government has accepted the tender submitted by Veolia Environnement (Veolia Water and Veolia Environmental Services) to design, build and operate the sludge treatment plant in the western part of the New Territories of Hong Kong. The plant will treat the sewage sludge generated by Hong Kong's eleven sewage treatment plants.
The plant will have a treatment capacity of 2,000 metric tons a day and will eventually produce over 20 MW of electricity. Construction will take 37 months and will be carried out by a consortium made up of Veolia Water (60%) and Leighton Asia (40%). Consolidated revenue will be 414 million euros for Veolia Environnement for the construction phase.
Project design and a significant part of the works will be carried out by Veolia Water Solutions & Technologies, the technological subsidiary of Veolia Water.
RJ
Operation of the plant, under a 15-year contract, will be jointly undertaken by Veolia Water and Veolia Environmental Services, and will generate average consolidated annual revenue of 20 million euros.
The main structures and equipment of the plant will include steam-producing incinerator boiler furnaces, turbines to convert the steam into electricity, and flue gas treatment lines that comply with the strictest emission standards.
As the plant is outside the urban area, a seawater desalination plant will be used to produce up to 600 cubic meters per day of potable water to supply its needs. In addition, the wastewater produced will be recycled on site using advanced processes; no discharges into the sea will be made at all, thus protecting the natural environment.
All these installations will be a good demonstration, both in terms of energy regeneration and environmental protection. At full capacity, the energy generated from the plant will exceed its needs and any surplus electricity can be exported to the power grid for external use. The site will be totally autonomous for its water and electricity needs.
As the Hong Kong Government wants the plant to be permanently open to the public, Veolia Environnement opted for a highly attractive architectural design, provided by French architects Vasconi.
The plant design incorporates a guided tour to visitors to facilitate their understanding the plant installations and the sludge treatment process.
The wavy shape of the building is inspired by the sea in front, and serves to integrate the plant into the surrounding landscape of wooded hills.
The visitors will be taken by electric buses operated by Veolia Transport to the environmental education center of the plant. From there, they can take a guided tour to a special gallery, and a landscaped, ecological garden displaying Hong Kong's biodiversity as well as make use of spas, coffee shop with sea views and conference room.
In the center, the administrative building envelops the flue gas stacks and the top floor houses an observation deck to enjoy the views over Deep Bay and Shenzhen.
"We are very happy to be working with the Hong Kong Government to take up the challenge of dealing with the sludge from the territory's eleven sewage treatment plants. They produce up to 800 metric tons of sludge a day at the moment, rising to 2,000 metric tons in the future. This project is the perfect illustration of our expertise as a player in sustainable development serving our clients."
Antoine Frérot, CEO of Veolia Environnement :
Press Contacts
Marie-Claire Camus
Tel: +33 1 71 75 06 08
marie-claire.camus@veolia.com
Stéphane Galfré
Tel : +33 1 71 75 19 27
stephane.galfre@veolia.com
Veolia Environnement
Veolia Environnement(Paris Euronext: VIE and NYSE: VE) is the world reference in environmental services. With more than 310,000 employees the company has operations all around the world and provides tailored solutions to meet the needs of municipal and industrial customers in four complementary segments: water management, waste management, energy management and passenger transportation. Veolia Environnement recorded revenue of €34.5 billion in 2009.
Important Disclaimer
Veolia Environnement is a corporation listed on the NYSE and Euronext Paris. This press release contains "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of the provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on management's current expectations or beliefs and are subject to a number of factors and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements, including the risks described in the documents Veolia Environnement has filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Veolia Environnement does not undertake, nor does it have, any obligation to provide updates or to revise any forward-looking statements. Investors and security holders may obtain a free copy of documents filed by Veolia Environnement with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission from Veolia Environnement.
Waite,
You were born to give good council. I on the other hand choose to after a couple tries, just ignore.
I hope you are doing well, FASC owes me a lot of entertainment value for my investment.
See you soon,
RJ
Hi Net,
Brian is focused on prioritizing the paying off of debts and keeping the doors open. The "wars" have caused the delay or possible cancellation of two sales. Thank goodness there has been a couple of others.
Brian said he "will not let the doors close if he can help it."
and he is anxious to get FASC current as soon as he can.
...By the way, Adam will be in France in two weeks! I can not imagine what for???????????????????!
Brian has not heard from St. Malo (Jean Cote)
I talked with Brian yesterday. He is very easy to get a hold of.
We did not talk just about FASC. He is a fascinating person to talk to once you get to know him.
RJ
PS. This is not a positive or negative post for FASC. Just sharing information for those interested.
Waite,
'I visualize relaxing in my recliner, sneaking in a frozen margarita or two, order up a one hour body massage, and appreciate all the attractive nurses and aides that go by. "
Now this sounds like "The Man" I got to know and love!!!!
? Are you and Brian spending time together?
RJ
Hi Net,
If a person was really serious, came with solid experience, ideas and a fat checkbook; I am believing that Brian would listen and welcome them aboard.
RJ
Miningguy,
From conversations with both Jim and Brian a few years ago;
Jim Carroll and Brian know each other well. Neither one has an interest in working together.
Jim says the KDS is a great machine but he needs machines with more through-put and a lower cost. These attributes are more important than the fine quality of the product the KDS delivers.
RJ
Hi Fasctrack,
The connection is Simo who is whom Brian dialogues with. Simo is the rep for FASC and he is also a partner in the St. Malo project.
RJ
PS. St. Malo, if I am wrong please correct me. The above is what I got from phone calls a long time ago.
TR,
I would not call them potential buyers because they have no interest in having and paying for all the shareholders.
RJ
Hi Net,
The buyer probably wanted FASC but not the 200 million shares and their shareholders.
I am believing that the offer would only pay back salaries and liabilities but not satisfy shareholders even at current PPS.
RJ
Hi Waite,
FASC is doing a little better, but FASC is still a struggling company with potential. It is not a home run as of yet. I do think that following the St. Malo hype is "not" a quick buck no matter how good intentioned St. Malo (Jean) is.
I am a hold for long. To satisfy Al and Suns concerns about hype, it is my opinion that short term money should not be in FASC. Some one like my self that does not mind holding for years it is a good gamble.
I believe that Adam is going to be a serious manager for the long term. I plan to be here with him.
RJ
Hi TR,
" FASC can't control how some random companies operate."
I agree with you TR.
RJ
Hi Fasctrack,
No, I am suspicious that some of these prospective companies exist to supply salaries by way of Government grants through promoting "Green" applications or processes showing the use and need of expensive machines that they may never purchased?
I also give credit to the fact that many other companies will fail on their own by way of bad management, lack of ability to attract financing, and others by taking to long to get established and just being eroded by overhead.
Lets hope Brian gets some purchase orders with deposits soon.
RJ
Hi Net,
Without a deposit and contract the buyers are in "potential status".
I used the term "so called" to demonstrate my opinion of those who tote their enthusiasm and intentions for a duration of time with- out contracts or deposits to verify. I think that it is possible that some, not all, put together green companies and programs to get Government funding, draw salaries, then fall short. I do not care if it is USA or Canadian grants.
I will let you name the many failed USA stimulus failures.
I still believe Brian is trying to pull the long straw of success. Net, I believe you and TRCPA are aware of this.
RJ
Net,
1st FASC needs the cash flow to do financials. We need the deposits on all these so called interested buyers.
I am not going negative, just a realist. There is a lot of interest, but we need cash.
Lets hope Simo gets his act together.
RJ
Hi TR,
We must realize that not all quotes are necessarily close to serious at the time. Some would be cost analyzing of potential projects by investors long before anything becomes a serious undertaking. It is very flawed for folks to think that these projects happen very fast. It is also flawed to think that some will not become a reality.
My opinion,
RJ
Sam,
The dealers do most of the travel and sales. Brian assists them, does demonstrations, samples and quoting along with Adam.
I am sure there is much more than the above to do.
RJ
Hi Net,
I talked with Brian yesterday. He is very discouraged with how long it is taking for various projects that claim the use of the KDS for their efforts in actually purchasing the machines. FASC makes samples after samples and are praised for the results but the contracts are slow to come.
Yes, KDS machines have been sold around the world. Most of them as in Asia are manufactured elsewhere with a residual actually coming to FASC.
To answer to the shipments to S. Korea; Korea makes their own KDS machines as Malaysia does. The problem they have is that China, Korea, Malaysia and the other Asian countries other than Japan, make inferior steel. Because of the importance of superior steel needed to be used for certain parts of the KDS machine, Mainland must make them for FASC and then they are shipped to Korea and elsewhere.
Brian has been asked to make many multiple ( 4 - 20 each) quotes. He has discounted for volume. The problem is getting the contracts signed and deposits received.
The current goal is to use any cash coming in to keep the doors open by paying down debts and doing some marketing through its dealers. I am told that Dusty with PacWest has been very busy marketing and promoting the KDS machines.
Finally, if something happens to Brian, Adam will continue working with the dealers that have been established around the world.
Brian says his entire experience with FASC has been an anticipation of "just around the corner."
RJ
PS. I received this information by simply and respectfully asking.
Waite,
I forgot your phone # at home. I will be passing through tomorrow evening in lieu of today. If you are not home, I will try again another time.
As far as selling FASC shares cheap, that is the only way you can sell them at this time. I am expecting that to change later this year? How-ever, if I am wrong, we can continue our dreaming?
RJ
Sam,
You ought to see him when he doesn't have one half his brain tied behind his back! When I visit Waite, he puts three quarter of his brain on furlow just so we can have a fair dialogue.
RJ
Waite,
I'll take my FASC with a cup of Insane and a nice healthy piece fresh Strawberry pie if you don't mind.
RJ