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Tulips?
We can all agree on one thing.
If USSE is being shown around on the Exhibitor network at all these conferences it is bound to start getting some investor interest and public press.
These two elements may combine for higher prices.
By the way, you are not alone.
I agree and have been slowly adding. It is tough however.
Is that what 'old farmers' think about at 1 in the morning on a Sunday night?
I don't think so... Man, you must have some brite chikins!
Larice probably sold his position (probably mid-.40's) and wants top get back in to participate with split -- He will talk down stock until he is comfortable to get back in.
That's one way to do it -- but just at least be honest. Good luck.
Of course, the mystery is when will they "close" the deal?
That will be the day the shareholders of record will get the shares. We don't know when that is, nor do we know what they mean by "close".
If we trade out Monday, Tuesday, or whenever, and are not shareholders of record when the "close" technically takes place, then you may not get the shares.
Again, another reason to watch your trades. I for one will not be leaving, even if there is a drop. Heck, I'll just buy more like I did at 0.2, and increase my ownership.
I thought NASDAQ also required stabilized PPS share of $5 or more. I was on FRPT.OB for a while (great stock I might add) and they are still trying to get listed. Not that I think USSE.PK (or even USSE.OB) will not get listed, I just think it will take time unless they merge in with a listed company.
dh 200,
That is probably one of the most clarifying posts I have read thus far. It is not filled with banter, TA, speculation or hype, but rather reflects what most of us longs feel with this stock: enjoying the ride while at the same time "believing" that you might really have something that could turn out be a huge.
Those behind the companies are doing all the 'detail work' -- and there are many of them... Their job is to make the most out of their companies for the benefit of their shareholders --In many cases, we are just left to guess where it is all going.
I too have enjoyed the ride and as well as the camaraderie of the board.
King-- Check out the OSSG board for much of the "global" history/speculation concerning all the entities.
King - why the old news?
http://www.irs.gov/taxexemptbond/article/0,,id=155664,00.html
http://tampa.dbusinessnews.com/shownews.php?newsid=69812&type_news=latest
U.S. Sustainable Energy Corporation Receives $50 Million Inducement for Industrial Revenue Bond
Tampa -
TAMPA -- CyberCare, Inc. ("CyberCare") (Pink Sheets:CYBR) today announced the following progress by U.S. Sustainable Energy Corporation, the intended Plan of Reorganization proponent, and surviving entity after CyberCare emerges from reorganization proceedings.
U.S. Sustainable Energy Corporation ("the Company") has received an inducement into tax-exempt Industrial Revenue Bond (IRB) Gulf Opportunity Zone financing in the amount of $50 million under the Rural Economic Development Finance Program in the Port of Natchez, Adams County, Mississippi.
The approval and inducement came after an extensive review of the potential of the Company's technologies to produce Bio Fuels, including Bio Diesel, from readily available agricultural feedstocks.
U.S. Sustainable Energy comprises a family of technologies that focus on the development of energy from sustainable sources, and the conversion of waste into energy or other usable products.
The Company's technologies will include the rights to the patents and intellectual property currently contained in EarthFirst Technologies, Inc. (OTCBB:EFTI).
Westeffer, what is your take on the PR? Opinions OK.
How could they not be in the loop?
J -- I'm impressed... All that learnt at the chikin coops?
I am unsure about the float, but can tell you there's not enough movement in the price to come up with any significant meaningful function vis a vis USSE. It is too early. The best estimation I am seeing is a 50% discount off the value based on projected stock holdings. Whenever I run my excel sheet based on projected stock holdings, price action seems to trace 50% of that value. I.e, exluding USSP/GIG, I am at 0.09637. PPS is at 0.05. 0.05/0.09637 = 51.8%
I don't know if the market is discounting based on unknown risk, or other unknown variables. Better theory - the market just doesn't realize the opportunity and we are trading at 50% of full value. .
Poundwise -- will you ever take a stable, consistent position?
I concur.
Likewise.
It doesn't hurt to have multiple methods of valuation, including the average between the all. 'Sort a' like hurricane tracking models!
Despite our own projections about what we think the correlation is between USSE and OSSG, including trying to project PPS based on projected stock holdings, I'm sure that there is a mathematical model based on recent respective pricing that may give us a more accurate picture. I will work on it today based on historical pricing and see if I can't derive an equation between USSE, NNBP and OSSG.
I think we will be a traders' dream today and may hit low 30's. Those that are in long just enjoy the ride, and "learn up" the newbies.
I disagree. I can "acquire" a car without buying it. (lease) I can also acquire technology without buying it. (license).
It is speculation at this point whether it is a buy (merger) or a license of technology.
You can have agreements to license technology whether patented or not. You can also have agreements to license future patent rights, and options therefor.
"Its all about the reactors,thats why usse wanted 60%of acmg"
Explain your thoughts on that.
You are right -- it is pure speculation at this point J.
You can always have agreements to license the technology once the patents are issued. That is the best way to maximize the profits. Especially on a global basis. It would takes a dozen years to build enough plants on their own to see the return they could get on licensing. In addition, the capital outlay falls to the licensee. Patents only last for 17 years, and then the technology goes public -- that is why licensing is the route to go --especially in process applications.
Also, there are apparently some trade secret "ingredients" or processes that are not expressed or claims in the patents. Like Coke, that could provide a lifetime of revenue IF KEPT SECRET and licensed under very strict security protocols.
What I say does not make sense so don't even try....
J, I ran the calculation at a billion and came out with 0.115, excluding the USSP divy and the GIG participation. Does this sound right??
Don't listen or rely on a word I say. Please!!
OSSG - based on a 1.5 B float (estimated), USSG at 0.46 translates to 0.0766.
Just estimates people!!! do not rely on this for any reason.
This IS for REAL>
"....And if not a cockroach, then a maggot, or a slug... or some other creepy thingy that crawleth about and hides under rocks digesting the putrid fare it feeds on."
Ever write for Steven King?
"This will most likely be the biggest play of the century.......z"
z, please don't hold back on your enthusiasm for the stock..
Good come back.
My prior post on USSE. I'm still trying to figure this technology out:
U.S. Sustainable Energy Corporation and Nanobac Pharmaceuticals, Inc. Investigate Nanobacteria Link to Energy Production
Tuesday April 18, 2006 2:13 pm ET
http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/060418/0123621.html
John Stanton is the Chairman of Nanobac and of course is or was connected with USSE. The release goes through the initial plan to couple technology through CYBR, and that apparently fell through with the reverse merger done with LFZA:
"The Company's technologies will include the rights to the certain patents and intellectual property rights currently contained in EarthFirst Technologies, Inc. (OTC BB:EFTI.OB - News). Under EarthFirst's previously announced planned merger with Cast-Crete Corporation, EarthFirst/Cast-Crete will become the co-proponent of the Plan of Reorganization of CyberCare, Inc. ("CyberCare") (Other OTC:CYBR.PK - News). After the merger with Cast-Crete and CyberCare's emergence from reorganization, EarthFirst/Cast-Crete intend to combine the existing energy technologies with CyberCare's technology assets. The surviving entity will be known as U.S. Sustainable Energy Corporation.
Nanobac has previously announced published research that demonstrated the role nanobacteria play in the production of electricity. A fuel cell was used to enrich a microbial consortium generating electricity. Nanobacteria-like particles were present on the biofilm surface.
See: Water Environment & Remediation Research Center, Korea Institute of Science and Technology, 39-1 Hawolgok, Sungpook, 136-791, Seoul, Korea. bhkim@kist.re.kr
A fuel cell was used to enrich a microbial consortium generating electricity, using organic wastewater as the fuel. Within 30 days of enrichment the maximum current of 0.2 mA was generated with a resistance of 1 kOhms. Current generation was coupled to a fall in chemical oxygen demand from over 1,700 mg l(-1) down to 50 mg l(-1). Denaturing gradient gel electrophoresis showed a different microbial population in the enriched electrode from that in the sludge used as the inoculum. Electron microscopic observation showed a biofilm on the electrode surface and microbial clumps. Nanobacteria-like particles were present on the biofilm surface. Metabolic inhibitors and electron acceptors inhibited the current generation. 16S ribosomal RNA gene analysis showed a diverse bacterial population in the enrichment culture. These findings demonstrate that an electricity-generating microbial consortium can be enriched using a fuel cell and that the electrochemical activity is a form of anaerobic electron transfer.
PMID: 12908088 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
John Stanton, Chairman of both Nanobac and U.S. Sustainable, stated that Nanobac's continuing research with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration ("NASA") suggests potential energy, as well as healthcare, implications of nanobacteria. Our goal is to discover, or invent, and then commercialize technologies that enhance our way of life through sustainable energy development that "does no harm" to our health, or environment."
The only published patent applications I could find are assigned to Nanobac Pharmaceuticals, and include the following:
PUB. APP. NO. Title
1 20060083727 Methods and compositions for the treatment of diseases characterized by calcification and/or plaque formation
2 20060069069 Methods and compositions for the administration of calcium chelators, bisphosponates and/or citrate compounds and their pharmaceutical uses
3 20060069068 Methods and compositions for the treatment of diseases characterized by pathological calcification
Although these patent applications deal with nanobacteria and a claimed method for preventing and treating diseases caused by pathological calcification, the technology also has claimed benefit in energy.
A read of those patent applications themselves is incredible and could provide a huge breakthrough in treating calcification-induced diseases, such as Arteriosclerosis, Atherosclerosis, Coronary Heart Disease, Chronic Heart Failure, Valve Calcifications, Arterial Aneurysms, Calcific Aortic Stenosis, Transient Cerebral Ischemia, Stroke, Peripheral Vascular Disease, Vascular Thrombosis, Dental Plaque, Gum Disease (dental pulp stones), Salivary Gland Stones, Chronic Infection Syndromes such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, etc., etc., etc., etc.
The study of the nanobacteria was apparently important to NASA because of the effects on astronauts due to microgravity environments. It was determined through study between NASA and Nanobac that nanobacteria growth accelerated in microgravity environments. As nanobacteria grow faster in microgravity it provided a possible explanation for the increase in kidney stone formation in astronauts during space flights.
See: Ciftcioglu, N., R. S. Haddad, D. C. Golden, D. R. Morrison, D. S. McKay. 2005. A potential cause of kidney stone formation during space flights: Enhanced growth of nanobacteria in microgravity. Kidney International. 67: 483-491. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Statements were then made that USSE and Nanobac were investigating whether nanobacterial growth actually enhanced bio-fuel productivity.
"It has been substantiated that calcific diseases propagate in microgravity because nanobacteria growth in that environment is accelerated. We are specifically investigating whether or not the vacuum created in the biofuel production process might accelerate nanobacteria growth, thus enhancing biofuel productivity."
This is further confirmed from the news released on our iHub board above:
"During the conversion process the beans and/or corn are loaded in one side of the reactor, enter into the vacuum/reaction chamber, and the gas, liquid, and solids are separated at the end. The gas is similar to a natural gas but higher in energy density as well. It also contains a significant portion of hydrogen which helps engines burn the hydrocarbons cleaner."
Thus there is a relation between nanobacteria and the enhanced fuel production by and through research of Nanobac and USSE. It relates to the vacuum used in the process to increase fuel production.
In the interests of caution, I have also bought into Nanobac Pharmaceuticals, NNBC.OB, as they are tied in, at least through nanobacteria research investigated by USSE. Of course I suggest that you do your own DD before buying anything.
In addition, NNBC have made some incredible findings that are listed in the above published patent applications. They will be having a conference call by none other than our own mystery man, John Stanton on November 16, 2006.
Press Release Source: Nanobac Pharmaceuticals Inc.
Nanobac Pharmaceuticals Inc. Announces Investor Conference Call, Hosted by John Stanton, Chairman
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/061109/20061109005865.html?.v=1
Like I said this research maybe old hat for many of the crusties on the board, but I think the nanobacteria technology is revolutionary, not only from an energy standpoint but also from a health science application. Good luck to all!
BTW,
I've got concerns:
1. I don't like deleted posts - they do make me nervous. Unless, it's a fowl word or serious TOS violation, I don't like "big brother" screening our posts. Sorry Z -- just my opinion.
2. No permits? Come on, I wasn't born yesterday. Please just be straight with us. There are probably tens of dozens of permits for a freakin power plant.
3. Bashers -- I've already lost half my money -- I don't intend on cashin' in and locking that loss in. You are wasting your time.
Pinks are for gamblers and we all know that -- or should!
Yeah, it's all part of the vacuum needed in the nanobacteria process. See my prior posts.
I was thinking about selling my dog for more cash to buy USSE. She a 4 year old yellow lab, well-trained and doesn't eat much. (I had to switch off that expensive Purina brand and onto a Field Trial -- that allows me an additional 83 shares a month.)
Dog Price = $350 or 1944 shares.
You should divulge what you learn from the company or I would be suspect. They obviously don't have a problem in sharing it with the public (to which you are a member), and just because it is not on press release does not mean it's insider info. You are just saving us time in not having to call ourselves and ask the same questions.
You can 'own' a patent by assignment and not be the 'inventor'. Also the 'inventor' has to be an individual, not a company.
Their having some real catfights over on the USSE board. Good to keep it over there.
Basically need to reverse the 1st picture with the third. Thanks
Fogg, in the info board, the top picture is Pangea Ultima.
The second and third are of USEI.
The last is NNBC. Thanks
Thanks...Hopefully won't have that problem in the future.