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Enough money is in the world .... at the moment!
Yes, exactly! Makes sense!And to hold COOP @ $32 (instead fair price of $100) would makes even more sense, if the "Banksters" try again to steal our money, if we will get only ~$18 per Escrow-Cusip-share!?
But $18 would be a good start for Q's! And if it has started, nobody can stop it anymore!
AGREE! Think the same as you!
AZC - THANK YOU!
Many here think it is impossible that some here will become millionaires. But compared with the "big boys", which will get BILLIONS, some millionaires are "PEANUTS"!
For the first time since 13 years I've the feeling that the date is near, when we get paid! All signs looks good! It seems that not only we (the shareholders) will come to an end. Also the court (emergency hearing), Alice and the UW's and the big boys want to come to an end. All want their money now ... the hedgies, the UW's and especially Willingham too, before tax rates will reach the sky. And especially COOP itself want to come to an end with the (otherwise) never ending story about the old ESCROW-holders, which is not good for the companies future in the stock market! I HAVE A VERY GOOD FEELING, THAT ALL OF US WILL SEE SOME MONEY IN OUR BANK ACCOUNTS WITHIN THE NEXT MONTHS! And for some of us this will be the HLCE! Not only Willingham will become a Multi-Millionaire!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BBAN!
Together with the "Fair & Reasonable" statement Mary JW told us, that we can expect $10 Billion. Later JPM found $30 Billion "Unexpected Bonus". Till now after 13 years WE (!) the shareholders still got nothing! IT'S TIME TO GET PAID! 30th June ... WE WANT TO SEE OUR F&R (UN)EXPECTED BONUS!!
Nice to see you back Ron! HLCE sounds good, but the question for many here is WHEN? After 13 years many here are running out of time for such a HLCE. Any ideas about the future timeline?
I can't and I will not forget that! Nobody should forget that and walk away like there was nothing!
Assuming we do not get paid (according to AZ theory), where and against whom can we file a lawsuit?
OK, would be good! But today in court there is absolutely no sign that our Escrow (Cusips) are foreseen for any distribution and MBS are also not known! Why?
AZ ... on a scale from 1-10 ... How sure are you, that we will get paid?
They found $30 BILLION (!) and called it "UNEXPECTED BONUS" instead of returning it to the rightful owners ... the equity shareholders! UNBELIEVABLE SCAM!
What's now with AZ theory???
"Nice" F&R JOKE!
YES, PLEASE do it for me !!! THANKS in advance!
But they don't told us, that we shall give our releases for NOTHING! Or is "NOTHING" Fair & Reasonable?
PLEASE, maybe somebody can ask, how was it possible that the from our lawyers calculated ~$30 BILLION (!) for equity, which was always denied in court, could be later found by JPM as "UNEXPECTED BONUS"?. A professional LT can not simply overlook $30 BILLION (!), which belongs to equity? We speak about $30 BILLION and not 30 Cents!!! $30 BILLION would be a nice recovery of the already screwed shareholders! And it is the damn duty of the LT to find this!
PLEASE, maybe somebody can ask, how was it possible that the from our lawyers calculated ~$30 BILLION (!) for equity, which was always denied in court, could be later found by JPM as "UNEXPECTED BONUS"?. A professional LT can not simply overlook $30 BILLION (!), which belongs to equity? We speak about $30 BILLION and not 30 Cents!!! $30 BILLION would be a nice recovery of the already screwed shareholders! And it is the damn duty of the LT to find this!
AZ I fully respect your opinion and would like to see, that everything you wrote, will come true in the end. But like you and me know, till now, except the documents, we've no real evidence in the form of an official statement. So my question to you is:
On a scale from 1-10 (1=very unlikely ... 10=100% safe), which number would you choose, that your predictions will come true at the end?
AZ ... this all sounds good and in principal I am on your side, but I've a question. You've always wrote the LT has nothing to do with the so called Escrow Cusips and is not authorized to cancel them. But how in the world can then the LT write the following:
"The Escrow CUSIPS were established solely to facilitate potential distributions, if any, of shares of Reorganized WMI common stock; however, all shares of Reorganized Common Stock on deposit in the Disputed Equity Escrow have now been distributed and the Trust’s administrators do not expect that any additional distributions of common stock will be distributed to former beneficiaries of the Trust or holders of Escrow CUSIPS. Nevertheless, at the request of certain legacy shareholders, the Trust’s administrators agreed to keep the Escrow CUSIPS outstanding until the Trust’s dissolution."
I see it in the same way like you! And just to avoid misunderstandings. I appreciate AZ very much. But at the moment AZ (maybe very well researched) predictions are only consist on HOPE and SPECULATIONS and even if they are true (according to to docs) it could be (and that would be not the first time) that ALL of US (!) will be screwed again at the end. But ALICE complaint is an OFFICIAL PROCESS and the whole world (including PRESS and INVESTORS) is wachting us. And all ANSWERS and STATEMENTS we will get and a RULING or a DEAL will be fixed forever and finally (after endless long 13 years) ALL of US have it "black on white" WHAT, HOW MUCH and WHEN we will get paid! That's why at the moment my support belongs to ALICE! GO ALICE! WIN and brings us the ANSWERS!
Why "JPMorgan has found a $30 billion 'unexpected bonus' in the remains of Washington Mutual" ...and not "our" LT? $6.1 million left from a Multi-Billion company? This is ridiculous!
I hope this (and many others) will be clarified very soon! Alice GO!
Yes! And if we all will get paid, like AZ always told us, then Alice complaints do not affect us. We can enjoy the show and maybe we will get some more official (!) inside views in the whole process!?
And if Alice speaks about $125 per UQ-Escrow I am 100% on Alice side, for whatever reason she does this! If we (old Escrow-shareholders) becomes more public and maybe we are in the news (if SCOTUS will be involved) it will be good for all of us! But before this happens in 99% there will be a deal, which cannot be more bad then to get "Zero"!
How can Ramos statements be official, if he is the counterpart of the "Alice-game"? A PRESS RELEASE or COURT RULING would be OFFICIAL and nothing else! And by the way, if the small amount of COOP shares would be the so called "Fair&Reasonable", why in the world the gave us Escrow shares at the same time?
This is what you and me estimate. But it is (and will be) still only f...ing speculations. We need this as an official statement "black on white"!
Sounds good, if you expect money, but you can read it in the opposite way too! But why (damn) so vague? Why no really hard numbers and facts, which everybody understand and is waiting for?
And if ... "everything possible has been done to maximize the value of the Debtors for parties in interest" ... HOW could it be possible that "JPMorgan found a $30 billion 'unexpected bonus' in the remains of Washington Mutual"? www.businessinsider.com/r-jpmorgan-builds-up-apartment-loan-leader-from-wamu-rubble-2015-7?IR=T
$30 billion for old shareholders would be much more than "0"!
IMO AZ's statements are not enough! We need some evidence! And if evidence and official statements only comes over Alice filings (complaints), then it is good for all of us too! I don't know why AZ has such a big problem with Alice. If we will get paid, like he always told us, then Alice complaints do not affect us.
KEYKEY! You are right! This is EXACTLY one of these QUESTIONS for which one we've waited 13 years long and NOW (!) need an OFFICIAL ANSWER/STATEMENT!
I don't want to read personally in documents and make my own speculations like moany board members here. I WANT IT OFFICIAL ... PRESS RELEASE or COURT RULING! And IMO Alice is our last chance to get OFFICIAL ANSWERS or maybe a deal, if they have already decided to pay nothing to us and screwed us with their "F&R" fairytale! Otherwise (if we don't get any answers as soon as possible) we will speculate here within the next 100 years and nobody here can proof if we are right or wrong! But that's a horrible scenario, if you will never know what really happened!
Dream on baby! All board speculations were WRONG (!) 13 years long! If us help something then only an OFFICIAL STATEMENT and/or RULING! NOTHING ELSE! We've waited long enough! Time for speculations are OVER NOW! We've no time anymore my friend! Only "HOPE" and trust in people which have told us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING within the last 13 years is just STUPID!
We all know that there is much money left. And you are right, they don't want to pay us, what belongs to us. And exactly that's it is VERY GOOD that Alice filed a last complaint, which can turn it all in the right direction. They COOP (WMIH) don't want publicity. But this is exactly what they are getting now through Alice!
But anyway that's not how it is! At the moment all we've is ONLY SPECULATION about the documents (which everyone here interprets differently!) and we've ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OFFICIAL! SINCE 13 years ABSOLUTELY NO OFFICIAL STATEMENTS! That is ridiculous and not OK! WE WANT and NEED ANSWERS! Otherwise it is soon over without any payments, even if we had been entitled to something! I believe, if we don't get the ANSWERS (WHAT?, WHERE?, HOW MUCH? and WHEN?) not answered within the next months (maybe in court over Alice filing), then there will be only board speculations left and we can/will wait until the last judgement! I WANT OFFICIAL ANSWERS / STATEMENTS, which ones are binding and cannot later be reversed! I don't want to wait a single year longer!
You can think what you want about Alice! At the moment we've only the statements from AZ and others that equity will get paid, but except of that we've ABSOLUTELY NOTHING Official! That's why at the moment I am on the side of Alice! Because IMHO Alice is (at the moment) the only way (and maybe the possibility) for ALL of US that (after 13 years of SILENCE) we get some OFFICIAL ANSWERS to the questions that interest us all: 1) WHERE is money? 2) HOW MUCH will be distributed to old ESCROW-shareholders? 3) WHEN will it be distributed?
This is exactly what Alice is fighting for in court! Maybe for another reason, but the answers, but the answers are very interesting for all of us! So at the moment I am with ALICE! Go Alice! After 13 years we want answers ... OFFICIAL ANSWERS (!) which we can count on!
IMO at least (like in most cases) there will be a deal! But anyway, any form of publicity is good for us old shareholders. It can only become better!
You can only lose something, if you've something won/own before!
And don't forget, "JPMorgan found a $30 billion 'unexpected bonus' in the remains of Washington Mutual" and for us (original shareholders) they found absolutely NOTHING? THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE or the BIGGEST FRAUD ever happened in history! www.businessinsider.com/r-jpmorgan-builds-up-apartment-loan-leader-from-wamu-rubble-2015-7?IR=T
No one just overlooks 30 billion! Especially not if his job is to find money!
But in any case, if I had escrows (especially, if I believe they are worthless), I would never ever go day per day to this board and write always (many hours) AGAINST my formerly investment. THIS MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!