If we had some eggs, we could have eggs and ham. If we had some ham.
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“Spiber seems to know and recognize they are no longer in the spider silk business even if some here are reluctant to acknowledge.. “
Exactly. And as Arachno pointed out recently… it’s funny how the cries of scam and fraud that are commonly lobbed at KBLB, never seem to be associated with the corporations that fleeced investors for 100s of millions even after shifting away from their original mission statements.
“ Most interesting to me is the labels inside the jeans.”
Agreed. Most interesting because of what it DOESN’T say. No mention of the words “spider” OR “silk”.
TLDR… the obvious tell.
Geez. I wonder which poster on the facebook message board also suffers from diarrhea of the mouth and chronic kvetching over minutiae?
I guess it’s a mystery.
You’ve got to understand what you’re reading.
Think. Just a little. How can the SEC do anything about off-shore traders? They lack jurisdiction. What might they do?
Be creative. You can do it.
Start by searching fines and penalties levied against brokers and what they’re accused of doing.
Just dummy up. Go back to facebook. Maybe Vortex can educate you since he’s on summer vacation. Take in a Mets game.
If Feb 2024 recent enough ?
https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2024-18
just pretend you're not 12 and search for brokers getting fined for off channel communications with offshore entities. you have to understand what you're reading to know what's going on unfortunately.
“ Such attacks depend on large trading volumes and lots of money involved”
No no no. Go learn something would you.
Thinly traded stocks are the perfect candidates for “short and distort” attacks. One may even be suspicious about message board posters that always show up to minimize any good news that comes out.
Good lord. You don’t even have to try hard to find this information.
You’re either an idiot or you need to tell your handlers that it’s best you come back under another screen name that isn’t so obvious.
Oh brother.
It was on the SEC website that “curious” document.
Look into recent activity and you’ll see how little those safety measures actually did. The brokers are still lazily enforcing and big names are still getting in trouble for not seeing those trades they’re making so much money on.
Just within the last two years the SEC’s investigations uncovered “pervasive and longstanding uses of unapproved communication methods, known as off-channel communications” at over 20 firms.
It’s better on the major exchanges. Not better on the OTC. Not by a long shot is it better on the OTC. Don’t be such a sucker.
And why are you such a bonehead here when you paint a much more bullish picture on Facebook? Your duplicity is obvious.
On which board do you post your real opinions?
https://csimarket.com/news/innovative-crossroads-kraig-labs-and-cotec-mkango-joint-venture-drive-sustainable-biotechnology-and-resource-ma2024-06-17110418
"Conclusion
The strides made by Kraig Biocraft Laboratories and the CoTec-Mkango joint venture signify a promising future for biotechnology and sustainable resource management. These pioneering efforts underscore the importance of innovation, collaboration, and sustainability in addressing the pressing challenges of our time. As these companies continue to push boundaries and explore new frontiers, they set a compelling example for others to follow in the quest for a more sustainable and technologically advanced world."
"It is very difficult to short penny stocks on the OTC. Most brokers don’t allow shorting them and the ones that do charge more in fees than the profit one would realize. The margins can be huge as well. "
Yes. True for the average law abiding investor. But the manipulators that do it are offshore using omnibus accounts that have the capital to do it. It is definitely NOT John Q. Public that's doing the shorting. No one should trade on the OTC without knowing what a cesspool it is.
Here's some light reading on the subject:
https://www.sec.gov/comments/s7-29-22/s72922-20153799-321641.pdf
Whoa! Second post today! You off double secret probation? Congrats!
Yes. $15 would make me rich, but I too am going for filthy rich.
Of course we must define what "filthy rich" means. I say you need at least 100 million to be filthy rich. For that I'll need it to hit at least $20. More than that and I'd feel greedy. Or not.
FWIW according to AI…
The amount of fabric produced from a silk and Pima cotton blend depends on the weight and type of fabric being produced. Here's a rough calculation:
1. **Silk Yield**: From 1 pound of cocoons, you get about 0.2 to 0.3 pounds of raw silk.
2. **Blending with Pima Cotton**: To create a 50/50 blend, you need an equal weight of Pima cotton to match the weight of the silk.
- If you have 0.2 pounds of silk, you'll need 0.2 pounds of Pima cotton.
- If you have 0.3 pounds of silk, you'll need 0.3 pounds of Pima cotton.
3. **Total Fiber Weight**:
- For 0.2 pounds of silk and 0.2 pounds of Pima cotton, you have a total of 0.4 pounds of blended fiber.
- For 0.3 pounds of silk and 0.3 pounds of Pima cotton, you have a total of 0.6 pounds of blended fiber.
4. **Fabric Yield**: The yield of fabric from the fiber depends on the fabric's weight (usually measured in grams per square meter, gsm). Let's assume an average fabric weight of 150 gsm for a medium-weight fabric.
- 1 pound = 453.6 grams.
- For 0.4 pounds of blended fiber: \( 0.4 \text{ pounds} \times 453.6 \text{ grams/pound} = 181.44 \text{ grams} \).
- For 0.6 pounds of blended fiber: \( 0.6 \text{ pounds} \times 453.6 \text{ grams/pound} = 272.16 \text{ grams} \).
- To find the area of fabric produced, divide the total grams by the fabric weight per square meter (150 gsm):
- For 181.44 grams of blended fiber: \( \frac{181.44 \text{ grams}}{150 \text{ gsm}} = 1.21 \text{ square meters} \).
- For 272.16 grams of blended fiber: \( \frac{272.16 \text{ grams}}{150 \text{ gsm}} = 1.81 \text{ square meters} \).
So, from 1 pound of cocoons, blended 50/50 with Pima cotton, you can expect to get approximately 1.21 to 1.81 square meters (or about 1.4 to 2.2 square yards) of medium-weight fabric.
.7-.8 of the weight is not silk anyway. According to AI.
This is spectacular news. I wasn’t expecting cocoon stage this soon.
The team is in place. Local VSA already has a plan for who is coming on board. Scale up from here on out is a matter of getting more eggs. At 10x increase (at least) per batch, we are talking 2-3 cycles MAX to hit a ton.
We also don’t know how many eggs are on ice right now.
According to AI-
“The yield of silk from a pound of cocoons can vary depending on several factors such as the quality of the cocoons and the efficiency of the reeling process. On average, about 1 pound of cocoons produces approximately 0.2 to 0.3 pounds (or 3.2 to 4.8 ounces) of raw silk. This translates to a yield of around 20-30% of the cocoon's weight in silk.”
325lbs = between 65-97.5 lbs of silk.
Nice. Only a matter of time til bigger and bigger exposure!
I disagree. They're ready now. Here's why...
1. Even Kings knew to spend however much they did on the fashion show before they had product in hand based on the risk/reward of KBLB producing soon.
2. A-listers have already gambled and lost on the credible production timelines of the protein brewers. We know they'll do it again.
3. Now Kim's got witnesses in the VSA, the LAREC, & Kumar. The A-listers have contacts all over the world and can easily find out what the locals and Kumar are saying about the trials.
4. Being first to market with the next big thing is EVERYTHING in the cut throat textile business.
5. No doubt they've reached out to Jon Rice again. If he had a bi-weekly call in 2019 with Mr. Big, those calls have only gotten more frequent recently. They know the price is going up with each PR.
But not to worry... if I'm wrong, we've got Mr. "Can't be bothered to copy and paste a link to a PR on social media" to give Kim a whopping quarter million and maybe they'll market when they wake up from their nap. They had the friggin fashion show...and now can't copy and paste. Okay...that was my last Kings bashing post. maybe.
Oh how I'd like someone else to get first dibs!
"....we could have major players wanting to get on board before then...but they could offer kblb funding in the amount of what to them is lunch money but to kblb is huge."
I don't doubt the major players have wanted on board for some time. I've been wondering lately how the dynamics have changed. No doubt some had hoped to buy the technology (or the company outright) before it got too expensive but Kim didn't sell. Then I'm sure there were offers of seed money but they wanted too much control and Kim wouldn't budge. And now production has started. The chance to lure Kim with easy money is gone...premium price must be paid!! AND they will have to outbid the competition. The deep pockets no longer have the carrot to dangle in front of the underfinanced development company. Now Kim is holding the carrot in front of them. This is going to be big!
And to beat the horse a little deader...this is why Kings' silence pisses me off. There's an A-Lister out there that has big bucks that would gladly take that first spot in line and would shout from the rooftops.
You’ve got to be kidding. That’s what you get out of what you read?
The percentage of spider silk genes is NOT the yardstick. They want the PROPERTIES of spider silk.
Now THAT’S an insult! EOT is definitely NOT vortex (aka diamond healer).
I found his (vortex) bullshit post on facebook that everyone is supposed to believe. Looks like it was written by a 13 year old. It’s a complete joke.
Vortex is a chronic over-poster of stupidity on Facebook. He got himself banned here as diamond healer because he can’t stop dropping f-bombs. He flips out at the slightest provocation.
And even better… he has shared a few of my iHub comments on Facebook as if they were his own. Go figure!
Now apologize to EOT! lol
lol ok.
And the fix is to find you on Facebook and believe every word you say?
Because you’ve been given super secret info? And the super secret info says Kings has to pretend they don’t know about KBLB successes? AND you were asked to not share all the details. Wow! I respect WW even less now.
How dare I not like the fact that Kings doesn’t have KBLB’s back!!!! lol
And I’m the spoiled brat? And so many other choice words. Who knew you were personally insulted by criticism of the Kings group.
You’re going to have to learn to live in a world where people have different opinions.
Your “followers” on facebook have no doubt witnessed the cost of dissent.
“ Who Is Wendy Wu? ”
She was the homecoming warrior. I misspoke when i mentioned the prom.
That’s my name for Walter Wee, CEO of Kings group. (Our partner that can’t be bothered to say anything publicly about recent successes by KBLB)
So i mentioned why I think Kings sucks for being silent. Some defended Kings. I still think they suck.
Then vortex launched a personal attack because I’m not allowed to think Kings sucks. There’s supposedly a facebook post out there that proves Kings doesn’t suck.
Oh… and I’m all kinds of bad words. And my name is Dick. That sums it up.
My world is big enough to be friends with people who like kings group. But to vortex, you’ll be attacked if you hate kings group.
So you are talking about a facebook post... And I’m supposed to magically know who posted it, AND I’m supposed to have seen it…
I know I told you that I don’t read all the posts. I’m not a member of the Facebook groups.
At least you say that YOU posted it. That’s a start. If I knew who you were, that could narrow things down.
And if I haven’t seen it, I’m all those names you called me? Trying to be clear about my crime.
So in this post, you say you’ve posted screenshots that somehow prove what exactly? I already knew Kings was still a partner. I’m not allowed to believe they’re still a partner and think they suck as a partner?
Your conversation may very well have happened. Thanks for sharing. I still think Kings sucks. I still think WW is a huge douche for saying his 6 of 10 insult. Screw him.
I don’t know anything about a screenshot
"Don’t overthink it. The silence by Kings, Wee, and M, and KBLB on Spydasilk for that matter, could be very strategic and planned if they are still aligned."
I'm not asking for details. All I want is for WW to open his frigging mouth. All he has to do is the minimum..."Here's a shout out to our partners at Kraig Labs for X" then post a link to the PR. He can't do just that? All the fantastic KBLB PRs since december and our so called partner can't be bothered to acknowledge that he's eager to get things rolling? It's public knowledge that they have a strategic partnership. No doubt he can't disclose some details. But he can certainly fake like he's cheering on KBLB. His complete silence is insulting.
They sure do! They give them out to people that believe complete strangers on the internet.
Don’t know why the ad hominem unless you’re Walter. If so, my mission of shaming Walter into speaking publicly was accomplished.
Such foul language from a self appointed internet guru such as yourself is bad form. No clue why you think I’m supposed to know which post is yours.
Your post means nothing to me. My posts have been about Kings. But somehow it’s about you? Hmmm. And how did you know my name is dick?
Thanks for the entertainment. The spoiled brat has been identified. LMAO
That’s correct. Kim PRd that he sent them DS.
Evidently it wasn’t enough to launch so Kings didn’t pay it. Now KBLB is on the precipice of production, so why stick with Kings? You know, that company that hasn’t talked about Spydasilk since 2019.
Oh wait… they talked to random guy on Facebook. Yeah that’s good enough right?
Oh geez. If only. So that makes Kings a better partner if I trust random guy on facebook? Silly me
LMAO um… you don’t sound nuts at all.
Is that so? Products are marketed every day in pre launch. They try to create a buzz.
All I asked was that they at least publicly give an atta boy. Then suggested they wouldn’t be good at marketing. Evidently you aren’t either.
What post do you think I’m commenting on? lol
I’m commenting on Kings group sucking at being a business partner.
That’s great. Unfortunately I don’t know you. Even if you showed me, I’d be a fool to take the word of a total stranger.
I’m a spoiled brat because I’m not getting what I want? You mean a competent business partner?
Walter can’t give a shout out to KBLB? His partner? He’s highlighted other businesses. Why not Kraig ?
Whose Facebook posts? I haven’t seen anything from Kings or WW. No one else’s posts matter. Doesn’t matter how credible the source.
We’ve been waiting a long time for this day to arrive and we don’t need a partner that portrays the image that he couldn’t care less about spider silk. That’s a terrible look.
I ignored it til today’s news for all the reasons people are giving. But today was the last straw. Kings needs to be punted for a partner that’s going to shout from the rooftops.
Do we really want the first ton going to someone that doesn’t care? UA would make the share price soar. Absolutely NO ONE gives a shit that Kings is the first DS customer. And since Kings doesn’t seem to give a shit about marketing, they need to go. Now. We have six weeks tops before reeling starts.
If WW has someone reading this board…it’s time to act like you’re the right partner!!!
“I really have no idea how much KBLB has learned because Kings spent(I'm guessing) no small amount of money trying to make it work early on, but we got results that will enable all that follow to adapt.”
That may all be true. But what confidence do we place on their marketing prowess if they can’t show the slightest bit of excitement in the last 6 months? These are the people we are relying on moving tonnage? The ones who aren’t as excited as the least bullish iHubber?
ANY other partner would have had the brains to at least FAKE being interested in latest developments.
Was going to edit my last comment but got interrupted and now can't. Anyway, they're not "useless". They had the fashion show way back when. So they weren't back then. But at the moment, to let all these milestones be achieved by Kim and say absolutely nothing makes them a liability in my opinion. If Kings is still a partner and they sit there like bumps on a log while Kim PRs milestone after milestone, then they need to be gotten rid of. Kim can't even get an attaboy from his partner? What message does that send to the market? Why should anyone be excited about Kim's news if the "strategic partner/shareholder" can't even act like he's got interest in success?
What a slap in the face to just say NOTHING. Screw Kings group. I hope they get GSSed!
They should be. Useless partner to date. Time for them to come out of hiding.
"It's possible Kim really pissed Wee off by telling him he was ready to ship silk long before he was"
No doubt WW was pissed. I would've been too. He spent how much on the fashion show? Okay. That was back when Kim needed Kings. Now KIM is holding the cards. He's sitting out front honking the horn and if Kings is still copping an attitude about it, he should drive away. Yesterday.
We know with 100% certainty (because A-listers have cut deals with silk protein manufacturers) that the big boys want to do a deal now that confidence is high in the production model. Kim can take them on a tour and sit them down with VSA if he has to. In other words, Kim doesn't have to take this shit from Kings.
Kings needs to start acting like they deserve to be the first DS customer ASAP.
"I'll tell you what it costs, it cost your reputation"
Boo hoo. You take chances when dealing with a development stage company. No one took it out on Adidas or North Face for the spider silk products they actually marketed that still haven't made it to mass production.
Here's reality...if UA is paying close attention to Kraig Labs, they have already called Kim and said, "punt that jackwagon partner you've got and i'll pay you a million bucks right now and our marketing department will be on it TOMORROW spreading the word". Believe me, Kim has had those phone calls. If he hasn't, he's getting them today.
It's way past time for WW to speak if he's still in the game.
No product to date...true.
But a good marketing department builds anticipation. You don't get the product THEN try to get the word out.
then I hope that means that Kings is out of the picture. That's the only scenario that excuses being an impotent partner to date.