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I am not perfect...nor do I expect others to be. I am not sure what judgements you are referring to? To the best of my recollection the only judgement I have rendered in the past is a stated opinion that I believe SP's salary is a bit inflated based on reseach into "CEO Salaries" for US based corporations. CEO salaries generally range between 5 and 9 percent of corporation net worth. Based on that reseach, and no don't have a reference since that research was conducted months ago, I still stand behind my opinion. As far as asking for help, I personnally don't have a problem with a CEO putting out a blanket general asking of help. I certainly understand why you might. There are times in my life that I can look back on and certainly be glad that I had the help of others. I appreciate that others don't welcome the same. I personnaly would draw the line at doing Shiva's job for him, but I don't think that is what he is asking for. If I may, if you have a question you want answered, call or email SP and ask him. For me, it is easier to email him, because (no offense intented) between my hearing loss and his accent, I struggle to understand most of what he says. Emails are much clearer in my opinion. I am sorry to you and any and other others that take offense to my challenges to your post. I simply wish that your attacks be based on Facts and references. That is simply all I mean to ask for. If you have facts, by all means present them. If you have opinions say so. If you wish to criticize TiVUS based off a correlation to a factory that you work at, then by all means do so, but give us some reference as to why you are drawing that conclusion. I have no problem with the GOOD BAD or the UGLY, I just believe it to be fair to cite to point of reference you are using so it is clear to others.
Mr Shiva Prakash doesn't think that running a business is serious business? Really? He told you this? Or is that just your professional opinion? Please tell us kind sir, what qualifies you as the Premier Allied Qualifier of business runners? Have you, or do you run a business? If so, at what level? And to what extent? Surely you have an impressive resume.
at the last conference call, Mr Prakash asked for shareholder help, any where they felt that they had valuable input. You (and others) seem to have all the answers. Speak up or ........... (well you know the rest)
Hello? Logic?
Are you serious?
LOL, no need to respect me because i have more invested....in the end, it just may mean that i was the Biggest Dummy for investing here in the first place. I certainly hope not, but I don't think anyone ever invest money hoping to loose. I think we are never going to agree on TiVUS until all the what ifs, and blackholes are filled in. Hopefully we can just try to be civil towards each others side of the fence. if I remember correctly, and that is all i am going on, is my failing memory, but I believe the 60-90 day window back in FEB came from another poster and not directly from SP's mouth to multiple investors in an official capacity. Multiple persons on the AUG 21st CC heard SP directly say 60 days. No question about it. I honestly don't know where the original 60-90 day period came from. any one want to weigh in on this please do so. I also don't believe that SP intentionally installed a SYSTEM in PHILLY with no intentions of getting paid. I hope that sounds as ridiculous to you as it does to me. he has posted revenue in financials, Admittedly not very clear on sources, but I suppose they are every bit as clear as any other companies financials, like it or not they meet the reporting criteria. Let me ask you this, what is more important to you? The execution of the Mission? or the Results of the Mission? it is quite possible the releasing details of the execution could jeopardize the results of the mission. i.e. the US NAVY SEAL raid on UBL's abbottabad pakistan compound. admittedly way different, but secrecy exist to keep the ememy from knowing your intentions. There are probably many important people in our government and military that were left out of details, not because they weren't important, but because it is necessary to compartmentalize information and keep need to know at the strictest levels until the mission is complete. I KNOW IT SUCKS TO NOT KNOW.
Actually I depend less on tv as a news source than i do on SP for releasing contract updates. ALJEEZERA.net, best news outlet on the planet. Biased certainly, but way more factual.
IF in fact the 5 year PHILLY/HOST contract did not exist, then I would buy your argument. We are installed in PHILLY, That is as much fact as there ever was one. A reason was given for its seemingly slow execution (original content provider pulled out after the agreement was reached, HOST is holding out to ensure they are protected, and waiting to verify that "new" content provider, and system delivers as promised. As SP stated, he believes that this has been proven, and he expects PHILLY/HOST to be a done deal, I believe he said in the next 60 days from AUG 21st, 2012). India/CAMBAY contract is not the 1st contract, period. It is the first in INDIA as is stated in the PR. In my opinion that and the fact that he spoke of market growth in that region, eludes to that at least SP expects or hopes for there to be even more in the future. I would hate to believe that we went through the trouble of setting up operations there for one single 1000 room contract. "Why doesn't he disclose the details of the contract?" I don't know, does APPLE disclose every detail of their contracts? I don't think so? So you declare him guilty until proven innocent. GUILTY OF WHAT EXACTLY? WHAT "FRAUD" HAS SP COMMITTED? I am trying to listen to your reasoning, but your logic (in my opinion) is clouded by heavy, very heavy speculation. You may very well live by the Missouri Motto, "Show Me", BUT I point out that just because he doesn't show you everything you would like to see, does not make your speculation any more or less factual. Try this motto, "IT IS, WHAT IT IS". Think of it as a roulette wheel in a casino, even though the odds are stacked against us, the wheel is turning, the ball is in motion, bets are on the table, and the ball is starting to bounce around. The dealer has announced NO MORE BETS, the ball is going to come to rest and some will win, most will loose, that is the nature of the game. But it is the nature of the game. If the casino is cheating, make the facts known, but just because I ain't winning doesn't mean that the Casino cheated. Just because you declare SP guilty, doesn't make it so. I could declare that everyone that badmouths SP is a "SPY" for LNET. I could cook up a bunch of speculative theory and proclaim it throughout IHUB, but it doesn't make it true, and it doesn't prove anything.
I fear that my discussion here will be read into more than I intend, I hope that you don't see this as a personal attack. The bottom line, this PPS is in the gutter, Almost everyone here is in the red, most have written that loss off until things improve, and others here seem to be re-living daily, the burden of that loss whatever that amount might be. The way I choose to look at it, I have already lost everything I have contributed. It hit the very bottom last week. Wherever it ends up from here is anyones guess, but IF it comes back, That is a bonus, I hadn't counted on, whether I own 108 million shares of $10 company or a $10 Million Company, They can't take my shares, those are mine wherever that value falls. Sure they can RS and re-dilute, I understand that, and I wouldn't like it much, but I can't loose anymore money unless I choose to feed the COBRA more. I would drive myself crazy trying to relive loosing the amount of money i have put into this on a daily basis.
In the end, WE may have just bought a bunch of snake oil. But the install at PHILLY has proven that the product works, the financials show that it can generate revenue, SP has proven he can deliver contracts (maybe not to everyones liking, but contracts none the less), NOW we need to make it all work together, and find the correct marketing mix to capitalize on our product.
Again, WHAT IS SP GUILTY OF? FACTS PLEASE?
KS,
Again, on the surface you are correct, but I believe there is more to it than that. CEO's have a fiduciary responsibility, to their SHAREHOLDERS that places the well being of Their Company over and above their own well being. In those regards I believe that SP understands that role, and he is acting appropriately. I have no reason to doubt that SP has honorable intentions with TiVUS. He may have less than stellar communication skills, He may seem slow to many and cautious to others, As I have always maintained, (my personal opinion)I think he has an over ambitious salary based on the current size of this company, but he has always been forthright in his accounting of it. Is there an opportunity to rip off shareholders here? sure there is, just as there always has been, He could have taken the Philly install money and run for the hills, but he didn't, I don't think he is that kind of a man. Just my opinion, but I think we have the right man in charge of things today, and I believe that we will all profit nicely in the future. Is he the best? who knows? I don't believe we will find anyone more dedicated to making this project and this company a success in the near term. Is the TSIL loaded with friends and family? Maybe? will those involved profit? SURE... that is the point of starting a business...to profit....otherwise, what is the point? I suspect and even expect, that the takeaway for the TSIL would be no more or no less than if it happens to be loaded with friends and family or not. As long as TiVUS gets its fair share of what is coming, then I have no problems with it. In the mean time, and short of any other factual evidence (instead of simple speculation) it doesn't cost us anymore to ride this out.
Regards,
JPR
KaiserSoze,
while I certainly have no idea of the dollar amount for the installation, I don't know the cost of labor and equipment, and i am very unfamiliar with business procedures and zoning restrictions and compliances in India, I would imagine that your BEST GUESSIMATE of $2 Million, is somewhere in the near ballpark, (I suspect, it might be even a good deal more). You pointed out the simple math, that it adds up to a lot more than what we current know is available. Just a question to ponder. Is it possible that there is more going on behind the scenes than what you/we know? In the CC, SP alluded to what seemingly was just an Arbitrary $10 million from financing, but my mind tells me that "from the cuff" that specific amount had to come from somewhere. It is possible that was just a speculative amount that was thrown out there as an example, and it is possible that is in fact THE amount that is being offered once these 3 milestones are achieved by TiVUS. Down here at the bottom, as far as PPS goes, what does it hurt to wait this thing out and just see what materializes. I think there are some real opportunities and chance that this really happens. even if I continue to believe and you continue to not believe, I don't think that will have any impact on what actually happens. I can't imagine what it would hurt to just hold what you got and wait it out. If you don't contribute anther dime, it can't hurt you anymore than it already has. Why not just give it a chance?
Regards,
JPR
Thanks for your insight, I just don't fathom the amount of money a CPA charges TiVUS or any other company to prepare such a generalize listing of dollar figures. My 7 year old, could do what these reports do. Not intended as a hit against Tivus at all. They just don't say anything in enough value to hold any relevant meaning one way or another. As an engineer I understand QBOE (Quality Based Objective Evidence) of which these reports provide very little at best. Not just TIVUS but, in general terms, all pennystock financials. Bottom line, you are better off foregoing pennystocks all together and putting your money on black or red at the roulette wheel. or evenly distributing your money against every long shot on the planet. some are going to hit, but most won't. LOL, COME ON "BLACK 17" wheel is spinning, let's see where the ball falls.
LOL, I will give you as much, that the best we have is an obscure Idea of the contract. SP presented dialog at the CC that explained the delay. I don't much like it, but his reasoning was logical, and at this point I still choose to hold out faith.
Well I guess that is where we will just have to agree to disagree. I don't believe in coincidence either, but I do believe that what you are saying and the way that you choose to interpret these event is speculative at best. Yes it is very possible that a dishonest person could conceivably act just the way that you imply. However, just as i can't prove you wrong, neither can you prove yourself as correct. I certainly appreciate that you feel strongly on your position, but I also think that since you are still here after all that has transpired, it is in fact the fact that you are not sure whether you are right or wrong. Is it possible that the course of events has transpired just as SP has stated? Isn't it just as possible as the speculation you have presented? If you have proof, I would love to see it. I suspect that since I am only gambling with my money, you should at least allow me to make my own mistakes, and believe whatever it is that i am inclined to believe. You can lead an IDIOT horse to water, but you can't make him drink. I propose a truce, in that you only provide your unsubstantiated attempt to down sell if and when it is met with an unsubstantiated attempt to up sell. In the mean time, lets just let this thing play itself out and see where it ends up.
would it not make more sense to clarify the source of revenue? SP stated that there are more than a half dozen different ways that the Tivus model generates revenue, and the revenues that you posted while I admit they are there, don't give any insight as to the source. In my opinion, it would be kind of hard to balance my checkbook this way. In the accounting class I took in college, I venture to say that I would have gotten an "F" if I had accounted for revenue this way. Admittedly these financials are not anywhere close to a financial accounting for TiVUS. They appear to be an obscure snap shot at a general level. Is this normal? for clarification, what I am saying. I don't necessarily need to see that they spent $28.63 on paper towels, 15.92 on toilet bowl cleaners, and 7.95 on sponges, but I would expect to see $52.50 listed in financials listed as cleaning supply expenses. If I reported "RENT REVENUES" this way to the IRS, you can bet i would be explaining in detail to an auditor. THE IRS requires that I show expenses and revenue for each property separately. but I guess I am just an idiot.
I read it that way as well, but I am admittedly a NOVICE. SP stated 3 separate times at the CC that the financials reflect revenue from Philly. Can someone else put their two cents in as well? "So Philly is infact producing revenue?" "Yes, The Financials show this".
There is no doubt in my mind that, at least minimally, SP believes the financials show this. Can someone point out in Layman's terms why SP might believe this? I am not saying it does or it doesn't at this point. I simply believe that SP has honest intentions with this company and our money. Not necessarily even close to perfect, but he is trying hard, and he believes that revenue is being generated. He stated it is shown in the financials, but if it is, it isn't clear enough for this idiot to understand it.
This may be the whole problem with communication, what is obvious to SP is not obvious to this idiot.
Thanks... that is a lot of 2's, but it is feasible give the numbers bought and sold here last week...I guess the best news is VERT is all the way back at $2.00 whatever that means?
IF, again IF we get a solid PR, (that is a BIG IF) this thing might just run. Where is the BOD? PHILLY CONTRACT? we this. PROOF OF LIFE is a good thing for TiVUS
Deadboy...not sure what you are trying to say here? SP has stated that there is infact revenue out of Philly Marriott. I questioned him on this 3 different ways at the CC, and everytime he refered to the financials as proof that Philly was generating some revenue. He has not been specific on it which is what i believe R3 is alluding to and would like to see answers to. Based on the past nature of your past post on TIVUS, I assume that you are trying to allude to the fact that there are no revenues. I am not sure what you are trying to say here? Can you help this novice out?
Can anyone tell me how many shares are on the ASK @.0002?
I will try to call later to get some answers
I am in meetings all day...dont have time to call Mr prakash
Before we declare those shares "dumped" I think we need a bit of clarification on what is going on. Albeit I dont have any answers at this point. I encourage you all to relax and see what logical answers we can get.
Not sure what happened here today, but I just checked my email and I have a trade confirmation. I guess I am officially back in the 100+ million club again Lol although I am not sure that is a good thing. Oh well lets see how this plays out. Good luck to all of you.
Really? I sure am glad that the geniuses here are not exerting their mental capacity to run TiVUS.
I never said TiVus or mr prakash was going to sue anyone. I simply said that many people hide behind their anonymity because they know they wont get caught. If I understand you correctly, you are of the opinion that because tivus is in no financial position to bring legal action against slanderous insults, that by its very nature makes it okay? Lets test that theory, it is okay for me to pick on a mentally handicapped kid because he can't beat me up. Naw, that is just plain rediculous. Whatever centaur.
You certainly can, I never said, or even meant to imply that you couldn't speculate here. I simply attempted to point out that while you implied Mr. Prakash was the one promoting speculation, that in my opinion he has not. Again it is my opinion, and you may or may not agree, but I think it is only fair that if you, me or anyone else chooses to post here, whether it be good, bad, or indifferent, we do have a responsibility to at least attempt to clarify whether it is fact, opinion, or speculation that we are posting. Just as Mr. Prakash bears the blame for poor communication with TiVUS shareholders, many of us (myself included) bear at least some of the poor communication blame in that we have stated opinions as facts without making the distinction. And could be just as equally misleading. It is not my intention to run anyone off or sway opinions on this position. I simply think it is fair that all parties bear the responsibility of our post. As a written post, we dont have the priveledge of inturpreting added body language or sarcasm as additional context. Some are much better than myself and others at expressing it, and making a reader understand as much.
Well I guess my calculator works a bit different than yours, but the way my math works, anything X 0 is ZERO. anything X .0001 or .0002 is something. sure it may not be what you have invested, not many here (myself included) can say that they are even close to even. but it is something. I have seen many debates on whether or not bad mouthing a stock and the management have any impact on the PPS. I am of the opinion now that, it almost certainly can't help it. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that I think it can destroy a PPS, but it might drive potential away from it. If we state facts, good or bad, then I think that is fair enough. The problem is, the bad mouthing, a lot of times is downright slanderous, and if the person stating these thing were not hiding behind internet anonymity, they could be prosecuted for the things they say. But again I stand behind my statement that if I had zero faith in TiVUS ever becoming anything, I would not stick around. If the only reason to stay around is to watch it fail, well then I guess that is a reason that I will just have to accept. I guess you invested in a WIN/WIN situation...If it fails YOU WIN, if it succeeds YOU WIN. What a concept? I will probably never understand? I would drive myself mad trying to ensure that every company I ever lost money in became bankrupt. I am of the opinion that if that is the goal, those that have this goal will be very dissapointed. One would be much more effective investing in a competing company.
There is a chance that you (Joshuri) are 100% correct in your beliefs, I certainly can't offer much in the way of proof to convince you otherwise. However, i would like to offer, that if you have firm conviction that SP will do no other than that which you have proclaimed, then WHY STAY INVESTED IN TIVUS? I stay because I believe that it will come around and be more than i ever imagined, If I felt like you, I can't say that I would keep holding on for more of the negative?
well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I understand your apprehension, but I hold the opinion that SP is (at least of late) very cautious about speculating to shareholders. The best I can tell, he has only released information that is matter of fact. for example, he stated that India contracts were coming, and they were release via PR. He stated that DOL insurance goes into effect in Sept. I assume it has, but no reason to doubt that it did. I highly doubt that that was speculation. He spoke matter-of-factly on Philly, and the going on's there. even when pressed to speculate on time frames for future events, he was very careful not to do so. I would welcome your opinion on what you believe he was speculating on? I would offer that calling SP "a speculator" is a lot like "calling the kettle black". you are the one that is "SPECULATING" that SP will release all the A/S's in just a matter of months. You might be right, but SP has stated that he only intends on using the Authorized shares to pay for TiVUS expenses until financing is in place. If it takes every one of them then so be it, but to just deem that is going to happen, well that is pure speculation at best.
Josh,
Are you basing your prediction on anything other than Mr. Prakash's past actions and performance? Would it not be more safe to assume that as Mr. Prakash stated in the CC, He is only going to utilize the shares necessary to raise funding for necessities as they arise until the 3 specific milestones can be obtained and a traditional form of financing can be put in place. I am certain that it was shared in the CC that these milestones were all that was necessary in order to put this already obtained financing into place. Once the BOD's DOL insurance was in place (beginning in Sept (2012???)) he would announce the BOD's and this would be the final milestone to accomplish to obtain financing. the other two, I believe Mr. Prakash stated that they were already done. Someone with better recollection please chime in if i have it wrong. But if that is the case, then there should be no need to release all of the remaining authorized shares.
JPR
I guess there will be no news of the BOD's give today?
It is September 4th!!! We are in the window Tivus Family. Let's see what Mr. Prakash has for us. The day of RECKONING begins now. Will TiVUS be a mellow mouse or the COBRA BEAST that JSTEEL proclaims?
LOL, Chris, would it help if JSTEEL went back to being a man? I hate to see you getting sick all over IHUB. JSTEEL shame on you for hurting our dear friend SeeYA. Just kidding.
My opinion, by this time next month, the TiVUS COBRA Beast will be standing tall, and doing its dance. Many are going to be bitten by their failure to get on board early. Got get caught chasing the shares you wished you had purchased.
I did a search on what you posted. Here's what I found..
http://sip-trunking.tmcnet.com/news/2012/08/31/6549259.htm
Really not trying to stir the pot, but it appears to me that someone has just taken SP's PR from a few days ago and re-titled it for seemingly more clarity among their audience. It seems they too, interpret the announcement of a contract, as a signed vehicle of execution. Something we here at IHUB have debated for the last year. SP does not say "signed", but by my, and seemingly this other media outlet as well, we share the same belief that a CONTRACT is not a contract unless it is accepted by all parties. This is why when you offer to purchase realestate, you offer the owner a piece of paper (often referred to as a contract) with your signature on it. But it is not a valid contract until both (or all) parties sign.
An announced contract clearly means (to me) that they have entered into an agreement that meets ALL the criteria or elements that make up a contract.
ELEMENTS OF A CONTRACT
A contract is a legally binding or valid agreement between two parties. The law will consider a contract to be valid if the agreement contains all of the following elements:
1. offer and acceptance;
2. an intention between the parties to create binding relations;
3. consideration to be paid for the promise made;
4. legal capacity of the parties to act;
5. genuine consent of the parties; and
6. legality of the agreement.
An agreement that lacks one or more of the elements listed above is not a valid contract.
Not all contracts need to be in writing. The only contracts that are required by law to be in writing include contracts to buy and sell land or to buy an automobile and door-to-door sales contracts. However, it is always useful to have the terms agreed between the parties written down and attached to or kept with any other relevant papers; for example, copies of quotations, brochures, pamphlets, etc. that were supplied at the time the contract was entered into. Receipts for money paid should always be kept. If a dispute arises, these documents will assist in resolving differences between the parties.
I know how to use the ignore button, I choose not to use it. well aren't you just captain obvious. I am sure that nobody here knew that the TiVUS stock price has gone from .20 to .0001. Is that the point you are trying to make? we got it. your right. PPS is way down. you are 100% correct. Any other proof of anything other than a bottomed out stock price? or are we just to assume that anytime a stocks price drops, it is because the company is full of corruption, lies and deceit? Whatcha got?
There is no "Business Plan" between Mr. Prakash and myself. I am not conducting any business for, with or on behalf of TiVUS. Never have, and I don't anticipate ever doing so. I am a Senior Systems Engineer for a Defense Contractor that builds Billion Dollar assets for the US and Allied Military's.
At the last CC, Mr. Prakash asked for help from all those in attendance in any area that they thought they might be able to help.
I simply e-mailed Mr. Prakash an idea I had floating around in my empty head. and he called me to elaborate on the idea. I did so, and it ventures into areas the both he and I are very unfamiliar. He asked if I would be willing to do some research into how to get a foot in the door in that area, and I promised to see what I could do. There is no discussion of money, contracts, or any other arrangements pending between either party, nor do I intend for there to be. My only aspiration is to see TiVUS continue to grow for the benefit of all shareholders, (myself certainly included in that last category), but that is it.
As far as a "Billion Dollar BOD", I can only assume that you are talking of the New Tivus Board of directors that Mr. Prakash has announced that he will provide details on once the insurance goes into place in September? He has claimed that the list includes names that appear on BOD's for Billion Dollar Companies. That is all I know of that. What they know about what he and I talked about is anyone's guess. Only Mr. Prakash would have that answer. If I was a gambling man, my bet would be that none of them do at this point. because i have always maintained thus far it is only an idea, and nothing more. IF IF IF it were possible it could mean big dollars for a long time. but that is still a very big IF.
Good day sir
NEWPONTIAC...Make your point? no sense in coming in here, and trying to talk all "Code Speak". you obviously are trying to make some sort of accusation or insinuation, so make it. go ahead, use up your daily post and move on, please. I don't speak for everyone, but I don't find much value in anything you say here, but please, by all means, exercise your right to do so. I am all ears, I am sooo looking forward to whatever it is that you have say. You think TiVUS is full of liars, and cheats, and crooks so go ahead and get it out in the open. I would love to see the proof of all this that surely you must have? TiVUS is going to run like Secretariat, so either get on board or get left in her dust.
LOL, now I have that stupid LMFAO song stuck in my head.
God I hope his Wife/GF/Mother doesn't look like a Pittsburg Steeler fan. LOL
I dunno, I actually find that comment slightly distasteful, but it does explain the Pittsburg Steeler fasination. Something tells me I will regret saying that though.
Well honestly I didn't know it for sure, but I highly suspected it. I mean I think it is cool, I guess for what ever the reason was, it works. not that it is right, but I can't help but wonder if they would have been treated differently here if everyone had know. It doesn't matter to me, shouldn't matter to anyone. Good job though, even when i posted "your acting like such a girl" she never wavered in her disguise. Just wondering why now?
When TiVUS hits, I am gonna buy the Steeler's.
LOL that is awesome, I can see it now, "Record breaking day, Tivus closes @$1.00, Canada's new owner declares it 4:20 all day long".