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Yes, it's up on the OTC as well.
Thanks!
"What a drag it is getting old!"
-The Rolling Stones
LOL! Yes, it should have been on the 31st - that's my B-day.
Dave D
AM has been kind enough to re-write the information for the IBox (Board Introductory box), And I've updated it.
Dave D.
FreeRealtime shows up up 68% today.
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Dave D
Thanks for the Info!
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Dave D
FreeRealTime shows total volume of 250K, with number of trades at 2.
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Hi Am
Hope everything is OK with you and your house! I lived in So. CA most of my life, and these fires were a regular event, though this year seems worse than most.
Dave
Fair enough AM....
Hi AM
Not to turn this into a political thread, but it was Bush and the energy companies that screwed California during the energy crisis (price-gouging, etc.), and it was a wealthy Republican who financed the recall campaign.
If I were paranoid, I'd say that the whole thing was planned from the start - screw California, blame it on the Democratic Governor, wait until things were at their worse point, then finance a major recall campaign, and get a popular actor to run.
LOL! Good thing I'm not paranoid!
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Dave D
Arnold wins - another big-money Republican power-grab is successful.
JMHO, of course.
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Dave D
Huh???
Yep Elvis is alive, and so is ETCR!
Weeelll, thank you, thank you very much!
dadEPFAN
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Hey Art2 - been a while since I've seen your alias.
Just for the heck of it, I jumped in IVOC at .009...
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Well, you could have explained that in the same post as your comment.
If the unlimited authorized is a red flag for you, then what color is the flag for the fact that they can only issue so many shares per year? Surely that is better than simply unlimited?
BY the way - this stock is on my back burner as either a total loss or a very long term thing. I don't waste my time doing DD on it, because of that, and because it has done no good in the past. You probably have blocked it out, but there was a time when ALL available DD for this company was VERY positive.
That is why you won't see me making any statements like yours (as if it is fact), but rather as a question, which is what I did.
Limited how? Is that a company rule, a market rule, or a government rule? What is the limit set at?
At one time the "authorized" was unlimited. Do you know if that has changed?
Don't get mad at me. When you make a statement in public to the effect that the company has issued every possible share they could, you need to be ready to back that up with something. And vague generalities are not enough.
Please provide me with an example of a statement that qualifies as SPIN - EVER!
It sure is easy to run off at the mouth when you don't have to back it up with anything - right bugs??
Don't feel sorry for me Bugs - feel sorry for someone who spouts off at the mouth, and has no DD to back it up. I asked you a couple simple questions, yet all you can do is tell me to do my own DD.
You said that you thought they had issued ALL possible shares. The last DD I had was that there was NO limit to how many they could issue. YOUR statement implies that, either they have issued an infinite amount of shares, or they have put a limit on how many they could issue, or you are full of shit (once again).
Always beware of someone who makes statements, and then tell you to look it up when you call them on it.
Bugs...
I have heard of certain people that shorted mucho shares of this stock after the split.I guess that they were the ones that made the money and drove the price into the ground
Do you have names and numbers, or is this just another hunch?
IMO this co. has been on a downward spiral sine the day they announced the DREADED reverse split.
The facts show that the stock price took a BIG hit between the announcement and the actual split, but held its own, and even increased, for the first several months after the split.
The company did take some action to support the stock price after the split, but it was unsuccessful.
Those are facts. If you prefer to call facts SPIN, then that is your problem. I'd like to see you find ANY post of mine from ANY time period that actually did SPIN untruths as if they were facts.
If you cannot find any, which I know you can't, then I suggest you take your head out of your ass and quit accusing others of something they have not done.
Well...
But,the shares have been flowing out the door as fast as they possibly can
Do you have any numbers on the current outstanding?
This co. has issued the max amount of shares that they were allowed to I believe
I thought the allowable was unlimited. Do you have any information on that changing?
Sorry about your decision AM! Thanks for all you have done here, and good luck to you as well.
Just a thought - reporting what the company has formally released is not misleading investors - at least not on your part. I NEVER take anything posted on stock boards as gospel, and no investor worth his salt should.
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Dave D
When you say RB sucks, do you mean the posters, the technology, of both? I hardly go there anymore because of the technology. Extremely slow, forgets my favorites, and you often have to refresh between screens.
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PS: What happened to this stock? It is now a lost cause?
You said:
Who said that the managment had a plot to destroy the co.? Not me
Well, perhaps you can word things a little more clearly, cuz from your statement (below) it sure sounds like you are saying that management is subverting the company.
From your post:
Not a good way for a new team to start. I predict that we will now see a selloff because many brokers and investors will not touch pink shiit stocks. Maybe that is exactly what they want?
By the way, has your prediction come true yet - about the sell-off I mean.
Same old Bugsy!
Hi ST
Could you elaborate on the word "mess?" I'm not familiar with the documents on that link. Does that mean a lot more dilution?
Thanks for the info Pat. Did she provide any reasons/excuses when she called back?
Well, here we go again Bugs - something bad happens, and immediately management MUST have a subversive plot to destroy the company. Of course, they are doing it on purpose! Companies never go into the pinks without the management planning it that way.
I'm not saying that you are absolutely wrong, but to act as if you are right without any proof is that act of a basher. To say it is so, instead of saying it is a possibility, without proof, is the act of a basher.
Being right or wrong in the long run is irrelevant, but claiming things in the short run without more than your depressive negative hunches has ALWAYS been the thing I object to. I don't mind hearing it as a possibility, but when you get on these kicks, you make it feel like a done deal.
And by the way bugs - I'll ask you to refrain from calling me something which I am not. If you can show me where I ever pumped this stock, then do so (being positive is NOT the same a pumping, and questioning unsupported negativity is also not pumping).
Bugs - Please don't start pumping this stock
I've never "pumped" this or any other stock.
Please don't YOU start bashing it.
So, are we looking like we are on the road to recovery??
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LOL!
Can you here me now?
But I knew something was fishy a long time ago when I was told (or one might use the word LIED to} that there would never be a reverse split
There is no law that says even a blithering idiot may prove to be correct if one waits long enough.
If you had proof or verification of your accusations at the time of the RS, then you should have posted it. It you didn't have any verification, then you were an ass. Even now, you still do not KNOW that Jack lied.
IMHO Bugs, you were an ass then, and you are still one now.
I’m with AM – at the time, there was NOTHING known that supported the accusations being made by you and others. We believed Jack, mostly because there was NOTHING to prove otherwise.
Those who feel it necessary to come back with an “I told you so,” are those who were unsure of their statements at the time, and are relieved that they came to pass.
Is that you Bugs?
Looks like there was a single trade of 30,700, at 11 cents, today on the OTC.
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AM
Never mention a dead horse to either of them
LOL!
Hit 0.250 on the TSE. Nice to see after so long a time. Am
Yes, and almost 0.150 on the OTC - I guess we should have loaded up when it was 4 cents! LOL!
Do you think we could have convinced anyone (Bugs?) that is was a sure triple when it hit 4 cents???
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Yes AM - any move upwards does my heart good. It still has a ways to go before it does my pocketbook any good!
I don't know AM - stock is up over 30% today on the OTC?? Maybe Bugs is buying again? LOL!
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Hi AM & all
Perhaps my absence has been conspicuous, but the reason is that I had open-heart surgery (double bypass) a week ago, but now I am home and recovering fine. And NO, it was not the performance of this stock that gave me a heart attack, nor was it you Bugs! <BG>
In fact, I've never actually had a heart attack - just blocked arteries. There were a lot of heart problems in my family (I guess you cannot out run your heredity!), and I have always been VERY aware of the symptoms (mostly chest pain while jogging).
It's a pain in the @ss to have to have a bypass at age 56!
Anyway - is there anything really important in the last 50 posts I should know about????
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LOL! Yes, whether or not he is paid for it, he is definitely a basher. I still do not know if he was just lucky when he called the R/S early, or if he had inside information.
Other than the R/S call, his posts have been pure bash.
Bid and ask up to .10/.13 on FreeRealTime. Is this because of being featured on the O&G Letter??
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PS: If we had bought tons at .04, and sold now at .10, maybe we could have recouped our losses....
Nice little gain for ASPGF today on the OTC...
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Dave D
Unfortunately, that is not what you said in your post. You implied that the price would remain at .05 PER SHARE after a reverse.
In fact, the price is multiplied by the split ration, and the number of shares you own is divided by the same ratio. Thus, aside from any change in proce due to trading, your investment stays the same.
That is your problem as an investor Bugs - you are unable to let go of the past and do what you need to do to go on from here....
Ranting and raving about what management did in the past is useless and annoying - talking about and doing something about management's current actions would be much more constructive.
JMHO