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From what I understand this is all about Robert and he does not care to provide any clarity about what is going on while waiting for the parts to put together the test. No parts, no test. That's all. Robert could care less how concerned anyone is whether it is Andrew and Richard or us the investors. He has his agenda and it is certainly is not ours. In short Robert is not a very nice man imo. He (Robert) may have been working on other stuff while he was in China including the heater part problem.
From what I understand this is all about Robert and he does not care to provide any clarity about what is going on while waiting for the parts to put together the test. No parts, no test. That's all. Robert could care less how concerned anyone is whether it is Andrew and Richard or us the investors. He has his agenda and it is certainly is not ours. In short Robert is not a very nice man imo. He (Robert) may have been working on other stuff while he was in China including the heater part problem.
Don't worry, I've got 20 bucks to reverse it. The PPS is a joke anyway. We need parts and a test to get this thing back so we can sell this and move on. What a waste of precious time this has been.
Everything gets ordered and sent after the holidays over there are over..what I was told. I guess the whole country shuts down like ours, except it is predetermined!
I guess it was important enough to go to considerable expense and trouble to get it right. To have another problem is the last thing Roberto needs. He probably wants to make some money too..so you have to have a product. I only hope some big company takes over. We need a quick hand-off.
I think they can get it done with new parts and Intertek doing their part. After that they can call Rheem manufacturing and they can take over or whoever! I think that is very possible.
Exactly. Maybe with open address to current goings on we will go up a few hundredths tomorrow. That's why we're here.
Beer, we know why they would not want to tell us and you are so right in your post. The question is how can we be provided information that they will not provide?
It is time for the next step in securing that information. We the investors that have lost lots of investment cash will not go away. We have to start heading to some kind of resolution and it will be painful for WDRP. There is no reason they should not be held accountable.
Sounds good to me. Put it together right and if they refuse the information then we know. Well thought out, then mail it to them certified mail, etc. and go from there...
You seem capable of writing proposal. I would be glad to edit or help. z
How in the world are we going to make them produce such information?
I guess we should gear up for the fan response.
What do you suggest or should we wait for the next poorly stated update of nothingness?
At this point, even partial or less than the full report would do.
This whole thing is so absurd. You can bet that we will not hear what is needed to move us in any positive direction. News going forward would have to be monumental.
We don't even have a pulse.
You are so right about abnormal response or lack thereof. It is very strange to me that knowing good and well that any level of transparency concerning example of last delay excuse could have diverted as was suggested by showing box fab changes and or the new parts next to the new ones or ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!
It would be so easy. Now everyone is ready to call the mafia,etc. and anything else.
It's the way these people are and there is no changing but I just don't understand it and never will.z
So there is no new information...Another day and still nothing to let us know how things are going. That's where Andrew needs to draw the line with Roberto. You know darn well Robert is doing something other than what he's supposed to be doing.
Andrew doesn't drag anything out. He is frustrated too. Everything is Robert's fault. Period.
What is Andrew's problem is not informing us what is going on and has been for a long time. He should tell Roberto that he HAS to keep us up to date. His hands are tied.
This is what I think. They just made it to the lab this week because of Robert's procrastination. Whatever their attempt to get a test done, no matter how it goes, they are trying to complete something that they can publish. They are looking at charges from sec, etc. if they don't. Am I wrong? Like you said it would be a charade. So why not admit failure? It is because they lied to investors in regard to what they have and so far it is all hype and they know reputation is trashed and their method of producing income is in great peril going forward. In other words they are in big trouble and like you said they don't know what to do.
No one has talked to Andrew in a long time. I have called, emailed, etc. and the only thing he replied to was one email saying they were not done. That is all. People have been pleading for update and there is no response. They think since it has only been a few days after the deadline, it is ok to stay silent at this time while they figure out whether to continue or admit failure. Failure will result in some kind of investor rebuttal and it will not be lightly addressed.
It is horrible how Andrew and Robert do things. They will not change no matter how much we plead with them. If they had failed, I don't think they know what to do next..If they are still trying to get the results, they know this is they're LAST SHOT. I don't think there is any excuses left but you never know. I would love to see these two face to face. I would leave with answers.
Although first perception is "pathetic", perhaps no news is good news? I guess we will have to go with the weird believer analysis that confused Beer. I'm confused too. Have a nice weekend folks!
Tried to get some kind of response about testing and so far nothing. Hopefully by the end of the day they will let us know if they are at least at the lab. Call them Beer, maybe you can get through.
Right. That only mean so far, so good. imo. what do you think?
they're not as asleep at the wheel as they appear to be? Just guessing.
I'd say that was a mouthful. At least we have something to chew on. Did I say digest as well? This should at least tell us that there is life out there. Keep it up fellas and don't stop. We're waitin'z
Cheap shares would explain the 100,000 in 2 minutes at the bid. Why would anyone do that except to get cheap shares, but they're cheap any way you look at it! Whoever did it is a jerk
Exactly, they said it would work and has...the formality of testing, etc. so they could have hard data for making things happen. Surely nothing has changed. I don't know why A stated that negative stuff about test results. Sure we need them and they could be bad but it's not that we can get the results we need to move forward even if there is a new variable to deal with during this next test!
No way they would do all this, set up test and everything we have had to endure and then just scrap this thing.
Also somebody a couple of days ago made 10 trades in two minutes and hit the bid each time resulting in a lower bid and hurting our pps during this waiting period. I smell a rat. I wonder why someone would do that?
I am trying everything I can do to encourage and see this thing through, but I'm with you if this things turns out bad. I just don't think it will and I'm not in some kind of denial. It makes more sense to finish than not. z
You are exactly right. I am calling and emailing Robert and Andrew. I don't really know what for but as you said it never was that it wouldn't work, it was just Robert getting it right.
What a mess.
Do we really have a recourse if we get screwed? or is it just too bad?
Everyone reads whatever they want into the comments posted by Andrew and co. Nothing has changed. They need test results to go forward. That's it. They know it looks really bad from testing schedule, delays, etc. You know some of the problems were from Robert as he knows that he Must have favorable results or it's over. I'm sure they had to fix stuff and make adjustments. When they start the test they will know data will read correctly or they will do it again and again until it's right. Once they have a good "run", they will do it again and maybe three times to show consistent data. (IMO)
Even if data is competitive with other existing heating methods, they can still go forward. For whatever reasons as was stated for delays most recently, you can be assured that whatever the reasons, the test cannot be performed without eliminating everything that could go wrong...especially at this point!
I say we will continue with development after we get through this mess. Say what you want. I still believe all the negative sentiment will be silenced. Actually I am sure there will be more things to surface that will cause controversy but it will at least be a different day!
No luck, just good planning and proper execution. My prayers for Wanderport! Everyone stay positive and we can say at least we tried our best to encourage these people to get this thing running. z
Very strange to have 9 trades in 2 minutes for 10k each. One could do the same thing in one trade and save a lot by not having trade fees. I can see hitting the ask to get the price up but what was the point of the selling? Am I dumb or what?
Beer, you have a good perception of things, so what was the point of that last quote of quotes? Have you talked with Andy? What is your assessment and have you given up? z.
I realize that all our efforts to encourage this company to perform is futile. Everyone here has done all possible to see this thing through but there is no support for us from this ridiculously run company. We'll never know why things are as they are unless the heater is a success and we're all sitting around with Andrew and Robert somewhere and I just ask him point blank why he was such a jerk in general about bringing this thing to completion...now I ask you all, what are the chances of that happening?
It's time for other measures that will give us some satisfaction when this whole thing is officially a failure by their own admittance. The SEC calls it whistle blowing by bringing our complaints to their attention. I don't think it is a joke either.
This is serious stuff and would force them to compliance and transparency.
I think it is time to contact security exchange commission. Wanderport needs to be formally investigated. What do you all think?
Andrew could only comment on accusations and unimportant information. What a shame that he cannot comment on behavior, how things are going, when or even if the test will ever be attempted. People are angry and tired and when others know they are wrong (Wanderport), they begin kicking back and become defensive. That is the pattern of failure and wrong doers.
All members here email Robert and politely ask him to finish the testing as a priority over his current agenda whatever that may be. There is nothing wrong with a request from all who are interested in recovering their investment. It may not do any good but it can't hurt.
I guarantee you that Robert is at his other job and is not able to finish test unless he delegates work to others and focuses on the heater. Most of all the delays are because is busy doing anything but finishing testing! What else could it be? Please don't answer that!z
Today is post holiday, so we find out about the test, etc.?
The question is when will Robert show up? We're lucky if he makes an effort by Monday. If we were to add up all his time towards getting the test done, it would add up to about 3 days in the last month IMO.
One thing for sure, that they will not be paying rent at Intertek.
It can't be much longer or they will be out of the lab and I doubt if even the great procrastinator will want to keep paying for space if he will not use it!
I think only in opinion or whatever, that the pitiful reason given for not posting results is in fact too embarrassing to respond about publically, therefore they are frantically getting everything done to avoid further embarrassment and get the results that are needed.
The extra needed week for testing was not for more testing to complete desired results, but was needed for the current problem.
They knew they had to fix something the first week of testing. Let's hope they know how. The fix problem has carried over longer than anticipated and now they are scrambling to get things done.
Last problem is Robert. I don't have to say any more. He could say that it would take a week just to have time to show up at the lab! You know that must be fact! So we wait because of selfish motives, procrastination, and downright unacceptable behavior.
I could be wrong..maybe they are scratching a body part and wondering what to do next?z
You do need an account to see facebook.
Yes, it was a reply to a posters question to Wanderport. It said it was a reply from Wanderport. I am trying to get in touch to see if there was any validity to said post. Nobody will answer the phone. I wouldn't either.
Maybe we are reading too much into this. I'm gonna find out.z
Like you said Beer, what they said makes no sense. Also we don't know if we'll ever get another pr! Now we just got some bs about who know what. We need to know the truth good or bad imo.z
I saw it. It is a comment to inquiry at the top of the page. I have a couple of emails sent to see if this is legit. I hope and pray it is bs. Well it is that anyway you look at it..One would have to issue a powerful and convincing arguement to save face on this garbage! Go get em Ernest.
I have called and emailed at least 3 times each and no reply. I don't know any more than you that everything was going well, one more week (last week) and off to the races or whatever. Maybe we still have some whatever time.
Also no news is sometimes good news...I'm figuring Andrew has nothing to say but to release pr. Time will tell and their ain't much left.
But hey, they don't really care what we think! z
This whole thing is so ridiculous but I was told that they had another appointment at intertek this week and then they had to put test data into something that would be understandable in a pr. That translates into end of the week or early next week unless of course something goes wrong but I think Roberto is getting finished up and we may have something this time. I hope so. z