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you miss the point. She may fine tune HER OPINION AND RULING but sh hasn't rushed anything in this case. IMO vacation will be vacation and i may get burned but i may sell a few this week for the first time if we don't see a ruling by thurs afternoon.
if i get burned that is my faylt and my tax writeoff.
i believe it is called vaation for a reason. She might work on verbage and formalizing the order, but i don't believe she would actually file it. Nothing surprises me here though. That's why i offered the question to the board. Does she have a history of ruling on cases or motions during that week?
do we know for a fact she taes that vacation? This is a real question. If she is not here to rule this stock may turn into mm's gone wild over the break.
Ok chance was given. GGP is completely different on many points.
1. They were not seized and sold.
2.they still held their assets.
3.they were offered a buyout above $9 in bk
4. They emerged from bk as 2 seperate entities one with the risk one with the assets and property.
WAMU will sink or sail on this pos POR
wasting this one but fair enough if charts are how you are playinG this one glty
at that very moment in time and in regards to that case it was valued correctly.
I will ask you before i state it. What changed in that case to make that difference in pps??
We are at a true tipping point my friend. Funny it is not. BK law states the POR confirmation ruling must happen within 45 days. The clock IS ticking and we will know if it is confirmed or denied.
that is what i mean by WAMU will let us know in the next 30 days. If POR denied up up we go on speculation and competing POR's. If the current GSA/POR is approved we are done here sell all but 100 shares for a crazy appeal process.
but yes it is funny that someone with a ton of opinions can't see those of others.
"no hope here bro"
That is where you are wrong IMO. There is hope or as i stated we would be sub penny by now.
i will agree that with defeat. And yes i man defeat. Confidence dwindles and the pps responds accordingly.
when it rises the pps responds as well though not near as proportionately as most would like.
i buy lotto tickets each week. I pay my local bartender to be part of a weekly drawing. I play football parlay cards and i average down when i am losing.
the only difference is that in the stock market it get to use lossea as a hedge against gains elsewhere. Thanks for the unsolicited advice though.
i rule my own fate and fight my own battles as i need.
WAMU will tell us the story in the next 30 days
you used the chart as a demonstrative of your statement
"looking for a bounce here"
now back up your basis for that please. I would love to know your reasoning.
We are all looking for a bounce IMO.
got mine added here threw up on my desk in march and bought more in the 30'S and at 16 and change and most recently at .06 and change. Parents are pre holders mirroring my trades. My average is around 12 theres is now down to ,40 after the last round of buying. We believe but know they are tickets.
contrary to what most people think of me i have hope in things like UNITED i just find it hard to believe that if it was all selfless help by volunteers it HAD be an LLC. An NFP would have garnered more confidence there.
WAMUQ is a fight for what's right. Only time will fill us in on weather the fight was worth it.
This case is like trying to catch the mercury you spilled on the floor. We are not on a level playing field and it can run away from you faster than you can blink.
AIMHO
Let's entertain the idea of a bounce for a second.... The chart you showed is a 6 month daily chart. A timeframe that includes something as important as the examiners report coming out. No upward movement. Or minimal anyway. We did get a gap down when the ER came out. A small jump when that report was thrown aside and POR confirmation hearing was underway. No reaction to the motion to unseal. And now we are just chilling again.
the last markable upswing was as the EC was approved offering us a chance. Cue the GSA and March Madness.
Please explain your reasons for a bounce based on charts. I would like to learn something today on that point.
keep watching the only thing that is going to bounce this is POR denial. Anything short of that is a continued sideways pattern. We all know it and save money for a serious dip. Keep your charts to yourself they dont matter here.
That being said next time Clay brings a video chart on i am selling the opening bell. IMO
i am saddened today by what i heard in court regarding item #42. I will not take away from Mr. Brown other than he was outmatched and completely unprepared.
if i was a conspiracy theorist i would say the hoffman motion was just a play to make mere shareholders hopeful for yet one more day. Afterall we tend to lose a couple quiet longs every let down and someone else ups their personal holdingss.
Never once did he bother to mention the very important fact that whatever was sealed alowed THJMW to REVERSE an earlier decision to deny an examiner. Priviledged or not the court and public deserve to know what was that important.
beyond that at least we can look forward to speculating on why everything was continued to the 6th.
Have a good holliday all we will all find out the answers in time. Observe and report should be the orders here. IMHO
i undetstand as time continues on we need something to "hang our hat on" and crying isn't the issue. Simply responding to your response to me that misrepresented a fact without a clarification to that end.
but as stated by many an "esteemed" poster here there is only room for DD so and a little playful bantor.
lets keep it to the facts of the case the evidence provided and a decent amount of speculation is all i ask.
Really mods there is no proof that UIE did a dang thing. This post is nothing more than an ad fo the site and a gross attempt at gaining twitter followers.
please do us service and delete it as well as this responce.
well let me say this if you are going to quote our good judge don't disrespect her and skew her words. Witless has never been a word uttered in this case nor is the letter on a keyboard close enough to call it a typo.
she stated that the witness testimony was considered opinion to her and not evidence.
this has been discussed at length already.
i stand behind what i said UIE solicitations are a TOU violation as well as OT create a UIE board to discuss those ideals.
if people can't quote scripture or discuss politics here someones business venture should as well be excluded. JMHO.
thanks uz i am near fed up with the UIE infomercial that seems to be using this board as a launching pad.
this board is for WAMU not an unproven uninvestigated entity that is claiming credit for legal fees and promising a future for paypal donations. IMO
sorry i am a cynic. I will trust my own ears and our proven illene.
go wamu
go ec
thank you SLY i mised this in the course of the day.
is danbb not providing audio tomorrow??
lets entertain the buyout option a little further. If you are to acquire this stock for $100 would you be giving back to those supporting UIE on a per dollar basis? Or would you be willing to offer more would you start a good faith fund that in the event that the offer was denied monies minus transfer fees would be returned to those offering more than $100 to support that idea?? Would we be getting par value for that support??
Honest questions i like the idea.
not really sure what you are getting at with this executive order. It was revoked in 87 by reagan.
amen to shut eye. It was sent though totals have changed since then. We will talk tomorrow. Thanks again for everything.
Hey don can't pm here anymore...i thought i was bigger than i was :) anyway. Thanks for the responses and luv or someone in united should have my email addy. I would like to keep info private and an honest email to allow my attorney to contact for docs if you don't mind.
on a different note do i need to get myself and my family set up on UEIG.org despite our share count letter??
Preferds(sp?) are preferred for a reason. They have conversion rates and voting rights as well. One must look to the original issue and any subsequant updates to the terms of issuance.
it is a thought and according to testimony they will contInue to control after the POS/POR is confirmed. Equity is cancelled.
we each recieve a single vote for each share we own. Does that outweigh their voting rights if we aren't canceled??
thank you side. I no longer follow yahoo boards. I am an emotional individual. I stand behind what i believe in. I am writing new code for my site along with my request for a trustee to attempt my own million holder march on washington. I have yet to determine a date but i believe the holders of many companies such as WAMU who have seen their lifes work and retirement irradicated by the events of 08.
My family has long believed a new revolution was due in this country. Ths revolution fueled by the knowledge and speed in which we can share this knowledge. Barbara Walters said it best tonight on Letterman. "before Nixon we never had the level of scrutiny we now have".
Don't take this wrong we are not fanatics. My parents are in their upper 60's and have seen this country deteriorate as values and justice are lost. Too old to be 60's protesters and old enough to understand things are dangerously close again.
Thank you Don. i appreciate your answer and it further confirms what i thought. believe me when i say i am pursuing this avenue as well. going back to the days before 3/12 we remember the UST being our fighting force to gain the EC. We are here now and i believe the UST though silent as of late would choose a good case trustee. Thus allowing a better and seperate analysis (sorry my spelling is atrocious tonight). And if this needs to be done before confirmation there is no time to waste in filing a formal motion. Just in case the judge rules unfavorably quickly.
keep in mind i don't want to see that happen but as is said nothing surprises me.. I am in consultation to form this order as of tomorrow. As for how fast my counsel can put it together depends on the cooperation of individuals as yourself.
lol Jest not all. Hence the some of those same posters. I truely do wish all the best of luck here. Including me and mine and you and yours and all that actually want to see real justice. Those who don't trust anyone and balk at JN and SS and fear the conpiracy theorists and thank god the united site isn't filled with adsense ads cuz that spam is getting old.. I just wish the talking heads here would stand up and fight.
OK nearly 2 hours after asking my question i find it amazing that the people praising illene for her courageous actions in court have no answers for a real question. What surprises me more is that some of the same posters that praise her are nullifying that praise by saying they are opposed to a trustee.
absolutely amazing.
Illenes entire argument and time put in to that argument and precedence she sighted led to 2 final points. 1 of them being her finding that the debtor is not doing their job and that for reasons and precedence stated in her argument SHE wants a trustee.
i appreciate the complete disregard for her argument by this board for her effort and wish you all the best of luck. i personally am following illenes example and standing up to fight for my money.
not sure if you posted that for me to see, but it works. The trustee in this case was in response to 2 motions. This partially confirms my theory that written reecorded motions are required.
I have a serious question for the legal eagles of the board... And for anyone willing to chime in. I con cur with the board and its unwaivering support of illenes statements in court though i have not posted as such to keep the duplicate posts at a minimum.
that being said my question is. Do we as shareholders need to have a formal motion written up to compell the court to assign a trustee?
On many occasions THJMW has asked parties to write up a formal motion for the order they requested.
Again if that is the case would we also have to offer motions in support of a Trustee??
TIA for any and all opinions.
P.S thanks luv for your added service. i hope you hold to your word of allowing conflicting arguments.
in limbo IMO. MM's will drop this as far as they can with no confirmed ruling.
am i making what up? That when expectations are not met immediately this stock has a history of dropping like a rock. Theories and opinions are split here after yesterday read for yourself. I don't like the idea of seeing red in my account but i am used to it. After 3/12, after the examiners report, and soon waiting for her ruling.
As for who i am i have been holding shares since before your alias was born. I have followed the emotional rollarcoaster that is WAMU for over 2 years now.
My opinion is my own and mine alone. Like it love it or leave it.
i can understand uz's frustration. Knowing this stock as we do after many months even years for some... Tomorrow is going to be an ugly ugly day. IMO there is a good chance that without some sort of ruling in our favor we may see sub penny. MM games or not this one is gonna run south. Sorry if i am putting words in your mouth uz. I hope above all hopes i am wrong. But no resolution means no confidence.
it is my opinion that at this point the master note loan is a mute point. Unless it it brought forward from another source other than the ER it is inadmissable line of questioning as it refers to evidence that has already been thrown out.
not the list itself but it it was reerenced that JPM feels that they are entitled to certain writedowns and not any liabilities due ti the purchase and aquisition agreement. Thuis raises the question that this bid was more non conforming than wells bid because at least theirs would have fell under valuation scrutiny for the 60 day review process they proposed.
hey uz i am on my crappy phone and cant open pdf's can you copy and paste a couple points from the complaint in a pm or just copy all to this name @yahoo?? Thanks man i am falling so far behind here.
thank you i appreciate it. gla!!
truly i haven't been watching this either. did the hearing get moved to tomorrow, or is the sticky note just get written wrong??? today is 12/1 right??? i hate this time of year too much going on to keep track of my own arse
this MM shake is crazy. with the exception of the last 3 trading days we are maintaining a line above the 10 day sma and the 50 day is ready to cross the 200 day sma. i hope noone is selling into the monster that is about to form.