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How 'bout them "inner circle" boys!! Ask and ye shall receive huh. Let's all hope the next update will be as good as this one. Thanks for all you do.
Hath the "inner circle" anything to relate?
For them to work their magic our chair had to be removed from the table, when and if that chair is back at the table, then and only then we start the one day at a time routine.
EXBOX in his last post to me showed me that he is an honest and principled man that stated his opinion and wants not to go further. I respect that stance and refuse to press this or any issue regarding this matter. I felt then and still feel that an apology from me to him was in order. A lot of questions were posed to him and he stayed on point, I respect that.
Well, that certainly answered most if not all questions posed. O.K. I'm convinced, I got more from that last post than the ones' before it. You sound like an O.K. guy to me and think I truly see where your coming from. Thank you for the direct reply and please accept my apologies for any discomfort or slights either real or imagined. Please stay as long as you like.
You didn't answer my employee question, and, what are your thoughts on the laws of the S.E.C. and the by-laws of Exobox as a Company? As Exobox stands now as you see it have you ever wondered why so many people are spending so much money on this shell and doing whatever they can to keep the shareholders away, up to and including filing suit in Federal court? Looks to me like our worthless company is very valuable to some. If some, as you say, are on a vendetta to exact revenge, do you view the Federal suit filing as reverse revenge? How consistent are you analytically on this topic? Seems to me that you are fixated only on the revenge angle, why is that? Why do you hesitate to answer a direct question? Why would I think that , so far, it sounds like a reply from an attorney? Please tell us the particulars of the State suit shareholders filed and why you are for or against said counts. Let me state here and now I don't care which side you may or may not be in favor of, am sure you know of the others stance including mine in this matter, all I ask is for all to be direct, truthful and honest in any discourse they engage in so that a meaningful dialogue can be had among reasonable people. I want to believe in you but I'm still not convinced. What say you?
Way to go EXBX!! No kidding it is nice to hear another point of view. We are all a bit frustrated with all this, the good thing is that we all suffer together.
I ask that while I answer your post that you keep an open mind and know that my answers are not out of meanness toward you or your position.
First off, as you may have guessed, I'm not in any "inner circle", if the truth be known I would bet there are some that wouldn't give me the time of day. I'm on the same footing as you. By the way it's 10:08 P.M. C.S.T.
Secondly there is a world of difference in the meanings of "clandestine" and "devils' advocate". Clandestine to me is that one works to keep their fingerprints off any outcome they desire and playing devils' advocate would be one that thinks about the topic and raises questions or lays' out a different sequence that deviates from the norm and has no intent to hide their motives.
As for the phrase "EXOFLOP" well I tend to agree, I haven't noticed any demoralized posts or demands to change it, and I am not calling for said change. We are at the point now where some who saw it nod in agreement and view it as frustration, but go on. The Company management does very well on keeping our motivation at a high level by themselves. As for my postings that depict an old T.V. show my answer would be what a the world is wrong with a little fun? I know it is not well written nor thought out for that matter but it was never meant to be. No person here looks to me as someone to rally around anyway. All work and no play makes for a dull boy.
Now, as for what is not being done to make you money, let's see, no progress, Exobox is worth nothing, no product, no employees, ( I beg to differ), no market presence and to para phase no one has voiced what their end result is to be. Would bet that every shareholder wants this stock to make them money but know that is far down the road and this road may be a dead end. I'm with you, can't make money with those negatives. So, what are we to do? Here are the items I'm aware of, our Company has management that; bounces from State to State, will not answer questions, has a C.E.O. that knows nothing, has a V.P. that knows even less, has an attorney that has filed a Federal lawsuit against his shareholders and actively acts against our efforts, will not let us examine the co. books as the law allows, will not allow us a vote on anything as the law allows, binds the S.H. into a "deal", progresses with the "deal" then and only then tells us how great things will be for us, keeps from us other parties that are in on this "deal", issues a bundle of stock to the C.E.O. that knows nothing and is unsure if he has them but knows they exist, and knows of no stock transaction that by law is supposed to be registered, we find out that in this "deal" our stock is greatly diminished and the stock no one knows about now voids our stake in our Company, looks to me like someone may be looking at some time regardless of what we want or don't want. We, I think, are putting the horse first by using the Courts as they are our only legal direction open to us. As for you stating the Exobox has no employees then I have a question that I've asked before, there are 1. a C.E.O. 2. a V.P. 3 an attorney. Are they or are they not employees? As you have stated our company has no income, just how are these people getting paid, they are getting paid aren't they?, no one is saying, who is paying said wages and what amount are we looking at, why won't our Co. tell us, why don't we simply ask for as far as I know we haven't. Why do we have to ask for this in the first place. I think that should we find out who is bankrolling this, that will go a long way of answering a lot of questions. We have a very long road ahead of us that can only be traveled one step at a time, having this stock make me money is the very last thing on my mind.
Lastly I feel that Ask Mr. Owl be deleted from your list, knowing he needs no help from me, I would like to say that from the infancy of our troubles with Exobox he found this board and played the role straight down the center, As far as I know he never, past or present, owned stock in this co. Never do I recall him taking a side, he imparted his view on past similar dealings of both sides and how those closed out. I for one read his posts and saw his genuine attempt to aid those in need. Back then there was optimism, and yes I include myself, that things could be worked out to the benefit of all, sadly here we find ourselves today.
So, I can't answer what I want from Exobox, I think many of us would say the same, perhaps nothing.
P.S. I have no input, control nor sway in saying which posts make it to this board, I've stated this before and nothing has changed.
Relevance I don't think is the problem here. If it is then I think that is wrong. All may say what they wish within a post as far as I'm concerned. Could be your posts convey that you perhaps have a clandestine meaning that you are against us but say otherwise. Would suggest that if that is the case you may want to allay any doubt as to your posts motives. I for one don't care as many of our readers can walk and chew gum at one time. Should you be on the dark side be prepared to back up everything you post as we as a whole are not as dumb as some think and the challenge will be forthcoming. Hope this helps.
Act II, Scene I. Dale's head snapped up, with dish water dripping from her hands she knew of the DANGER. Ole Bullet was barking outside the kitchen door, Dale grabs the largest knife within reach and bolts to the door and takes off in a dead run toward Trigger, she grabs a pitchfork from the hay stack then in one leap she is upon Trigger and in a cloud of dust she's off as Bullet leads the way. They all arrive as the cougar is about to pounce on a hapless calf, the cougar stops to take a look-see, as all three get to the scene Dale dismounts and with knife and pitchfork in hand stands in front of the calf, Bullet, teeth bared and barking takes the left side and Trigger, hoofs a stamping covers the right. The cougar knows he is out gunned, backs up about five (5) yards then wheels and takes off in a dead run for the hills. Bullet chases and nips at his heels three (3) or four (4) times just to drive the point home. With the danger abated Dale, Trigger and Bullet drive the herd closer to the ranch house. Back at the house Dale looks down the road and sees a dust trail rising in the far distance, a small grin is on her lips as she heads toward the kitchen door. Fade to black. O.K. kids, re-load those cap guns!! we'll be right back.
Thanks for your kind comments.
All I want is for us to have the best chance of prevailing, so please do not mis-read my comments and questions of having anything but the best intentions for our side. Should any feel that they are not, or out of line, feel free to voice your objections. By the way, you do a much better job of ragging on them than I, keep up the good work. To steal a phrase, I aint quitten!!! Go Exobox
Ha-Ha, O.K. fair enough, they say an armchair QB can win every time!! I know my posts may upset some, but, as you say the good guys lose every time, not knowing you except through these posts you strike me as someone that does not like to lose, especially a court suit. Trust me, (where have you heard that?) I am not one of those who don't care if the other side likes me, I don't want to coddle them, make friends with them, say soothing things and in general ease their path in any way. But, I do care when my opponents respect me in court. I'll still be civil when we all gather for a bite and a beer, but I want them to know when in court they had better bring their "A" game. Not running with the court group gives me a little room to judge both sides in a dispute. People may act differently and do things in a way I neither experience nor understand entirely but that does not negate my forming an opinion. Haven't you or others at least pondered some of what I've brought up? That's not saying everything has to be acted upon, or anything for that matter. It is not my desire nor intent to alienate any, and that includes those of whom have worked so hard, and continues the hard work, of getting us to the here and now. I took to heart a long time ago that when you get to the work place, the friendship ceases and the work increases. If any would like me to go away or just shut up, so be it, I will cede to that request. My respects to you and those working for us all and all who visit and read this site.
Have no intent of going anywhere, would hope others feel the same. My comments are just my perception of what is happening as of now, and have stated that I hope I'm wrong. After 5 or 6 years of being yanked around, my hope is that y'all can understand my way of thinking on particular matters. I worry when we are the last to know something, there always are particulars we have to find out, most times the train is long gone from the station by the time we discover them. I had hopes that we had turned the corner, now I'm not so sure. Management has never done anything except for themselves, I do not trust them and I sure do not like being kept in the dark, by anyone.
I'm not aware of anything either, after having lost control of our company, and, as it seems, lost control over the State suit we brought forth, now nothing from our side, makes me think I've seen this movie before.
I've thought the same. Forgive me but I get very nervous when these "deals" are negotiated and we are the last to know what's in the "deal", that has been the standard for a very long time. I am also of the mindset that should we lose (give up) any element of our State suit, that will be used against us in the Federal suit. I could be wrong on both counts, I pray it so.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, Roy and Gabby have just left to go to town for gasoline and ammo, Dale is doing the dishes while the cougar crouches toward the cattle, now, a word from our sponsors.
Thanks for your post. I have some questions of your first and last paragraphs. " I think the problem before may have been failure to include what was testified to in another court case". What "case" are we talking about and how does any testimony of another case relate to ours? If that is so, wouldn't the first Judge have known that, if so, why wasn't it passed to the second Judge, how is that our fault? Why was our case assigned to an unqualified Judge, why wasn't our case referred back to the clerk who would then assign our case to a qualified Judge? One would think that whomever assigned this Judge our case doesn't have a clue to their background, would bet my last dollar it wasn't the clerk. Why are we just now finding out about these "problems", how many more exist that we now don't know about? Why didn't our attorneys see these problems and address them in court or by a brief? These problems are just now coming to light on the first hearing by a Judge in her own admission is not qualified to hear this case, why, and why wasn't any problem identified by the first Judge? How does an unqualified Judge know what or what not applies to our case and why were they not used before as a reason to dismiss our case?
"Let's see if this really get's tossed out or just refiled in a different way different Judge". From what I know the only reason given for the case to be dismissed was that the second Judge didn't know the law well enough to hear it, now , it seems there are other reasons, what are all the reasons and why weren't those good enough for the first Judge, who was qualified, cited to dismiss our case? How does an unqualified Judge dismiss a case on the first hearing, and as I am to assume not hearing any attorney speak? If we did speak up, what was said?
The clerk is charged with matching up the cases with Judges, that means they know what Judge would be qualified to hear a particular case. If the Judges willy-nilly hand off cases to just anyone, we are in for a very long trip here not to mention spending a lot of money getting to third base only to find ourselves being told by the ump to walk to the dugout time after time with the count being 3 2, 1 out & the score 0-0 in the first inning.
Ole S.I. is about to find out there are a bunch of gaps in that "loop" he's in. The big dogs will not let the pups get close. In order to stay on their trail we need to make it clear to our hire's that what we say, we mean.
Am wondering why our side didn't make the motion to send our case back to the clerk and have he or she assign the case to a Judge that is versed in our subject matter. Who suggested to the Judge just to throw it out, if anyone. Our case was already on the docket, assigned a Judge and we stood ready for trial, Just for the only reason that the new Judge didn't understand the Law in our case is not reason, to me, to throw it out, there are other ways to deal with it and still be fair to both sides, this solution puts all the onus on, again, our side, we should have said something. Don't want us to quit but would like to see stronger representation.
Boy, that comment lit a fire under you didn't it! Don't blame you one bit. Looks as if everyone has chosen the team they want to be on. Time will tell in either case.
Don't know about others, but at this stage there is not an "amicable" bone in my body.
he should have walked away, a real atty. with ethics would have.
I think you're right on the mark, don't stop now!
Yeah I agree. Am thinking all of us want to be on this path, let's do it the legal way and if the other side want to play the game another way, well, I say let 'em. May the best team win.
Thanks for the information. I just keep wondering why he would jeopardize his standing with the firm and his record with same not to mention his personal integrity. Must have been a powerful pitch for him to go from the penthouse to the outhouse. Can't figure that boy out. Perhaps future findings will answer some questions.
As I have said before and will continue to say that they must know something we don't. If the follow the money holds one has to give credence to them doing one or both ideas of wearing us out or keeping things in the court system until we run out of money or will. An honest person would not have let this get so far out of hand and refuse to let go and move on to something else. Our problem may be that right and logic will carry the day, we shall see.
All the players so far are fairly easy to figure out their roles in this mess, but the one I have trouble figuring out is Takos. After reading his bio and doing a little research on him and the firm as is his hire I still have a bunch of questions. Was he hired on of his own volition or was he directed by others to take the client? Makes me wonder how many more people are involved in this that have not been outed or surfaced yet. Why did this young man throw in with this group? With his schooling and background surely he would be better off without moving in that direction. Is this the climate of law that permeates now and has become the norm? If so we all have much to fear from that profession. Is the firms web site up to date, does he still have employment there? How does he juggle working for Exobox on his own and not remitting the firms share? If the firm is getting paid for his time where and by whom does that money come from. Should he no longer be employed there why would he willingly join this group? Shouldn't he know that this was a scam from the get go? If we can see it so should one that deals in this most of ones' life. Was the idea of easy money to great to pass up? Was the idea of working this system in many other companies offered up as an incentive? He is not working for nothing, who is paying? Is he aware of the SEC and its laws? If so is he willing to role the dice betting he will prevail? Why?
As you can see these and other questions come to mind, am not holding my breath awaiting an answer though. The strategy of the other side seems to be three things, shut up, shut up and stay shut up. Knowing that I still invite anyone from that side to honestly, and using sound logic reply to any or all of the items noted in this post for all to read. Well, not all, as I have zero control over the "ban" aspect of this board I would prefer not reading anything from Dartmouth Dan as I think the words honest and logic can only be found in the dictionary and not implemented or even feigned in a post to us. The word "suspect" jumps to mind. We would consider inviting Mr. Dan to one of our dinner parties we hold here at, what we affectionately call "Snob Hill" as we have many attorneys and judges on our invite list. Please advise.
As I'm sure most if not all have heard the phrase follow the money, this holds true in many instances and I think it rings true here.
Now for the moment you have all been waiting for, all of these thoughts, words, statements, ideas, non-ideas, writings, utterances whether they be past, present or future in nature, or from beyond the grave, are, "In My Opinion". Honestly.
During this pause let's clear Jimwhizzle for some posts to laugh at!!
Please do not read my post as a capitulation, unless we can change the dynamic of management placing their own people in positions which are untouchable only means that they call the shots short of a SH vote, our Co. is in such a state now, & we are denied any vote, I contend we fight fire with fire. We should appoint our own Corp. Atty., if they want to sue, get in line, until then all cases are on hold until they can hire their own Atty. to move the cases along, let them spend some money for a while. As I have said before, I'm past tired of being jerked around by these people, enough is enough. Or, save all the time and money and keep offering our deal until it is accepted, every day if needed, every hour if needed. 1. they will soon get the hint, 2. it will drive home the point, we aint quiten.
Let's cut to the chase here. They have brought upon themselves a Civil case filed by us, the depo's were a mitigated disaster, they have lost their "merger" partner, if a post is right the EXBX Atty. has bailed on them, they have included a lot of people in this deal, some we know of, some we don't, they know or should know that any question asked of them in court will be next to impossible to answer truthfully without sinking them, there are our Pres. & V.P. standing there with possible legal action against them & neither have a clue as to what to do and waiting on someone to tell them what action to take, both, I think are looking for a way out as the direction given so far has only gotten them deeper in than both would like. Think that all will say the same thing and it will all tie in to the testimony? Think that they truly can keep everyone on the same page throughout this case? I don't.
Then there is their Federal case where they charge Conspiracy & damage to our Co. in the sum of 800 Grand. Do they hold out any hope of proving one much less both in a Federal court where they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that both claims are valid? Remember, they do not have the merger partner that is going to open up their books in Federal court, which I think would sink them quickly or would be so convoluted any claim could not be proven? No books, no proof, if one can't prove the money then you can't prove conspiracy. Think that they have even a glimmer of hope they prevail in the Civil case? The more we learn there will be used by us for our defense here. The questions start hard and get harder.
I could go on but won't, they, I think are looking for a way out, I say we give 'em one, or two. We should be doing everything we can to make this happen, we should not rely on anyone but ourselves to get this ball rolling. Am thinking a win in any court will not do us much good short of starting off again in a fresher manner.
Well that's a bit of news. What's keeping us from hiring our Attorney as the Attorney for EXOBX? They hire people we don't know of nor vote upon so, fair is fair, lets beat them to the punch and inform them that we shareholders acting in the best interest of our Co. have now placed the corporate atty. Am weary of finding out things after the fact, and getting jerked around here, let's put in place the atty. for our Co.
I'm easily amused. May be tilting at windmills here but time will tell. Keep going back to that 800 grand, don't recall that number coming up until the Federal suit. If that number is to be believed then why oh why didn't anyone talk about it? Seems like if that number is real, because the Fed. suit states same, why aren't these guys coming on here giving us the run down and rubbing our collective noses in it, by run down I mean the sure fire, chiseled in stone, no question about it reasons showing us that the number is legit and will make any defense moot. Am thinking that this number or any number > or < is Bravo Sierra. Anyone care to enlighten moi?
Have had more fun watching paint dry than awaiting for a post here. Got to thinking, some of you may have smelled the rubber burning, why don't we open this venue up to those who are opposed to the S.H.ers? See no need now for anyone to hide either in a handle or wording of these posts. Now, those on the other side most likely think of us as rubes, speaking for myself I don't mind, for laying out for all to read how we think the company has separated itself from those shareholders remaining and for the demands both minor and major. So, with that being said, one may ask, whats the problem here, am reasonably sure y'all are smart enough to post here. Take off those white shirts and tie along with the suit, pull on a pair of shorts, slip on those flip-flops, build you a three finger tumbler (neat) and let er rip. The lack of a factual reply will speak very loud.
Just keep in mind that during trial the court only looks at the law, nothing else matters, as for the rest, closing arguments can be used to sway the jury to your side, but has little effect on the court unless there is law that ties in the topic. That's why cross is so important, this is where a good lawyer who knows how to cross can tie the non-law with the law. All questions must be leading, short and never argue with the witness nor let the witness repeat from his past testimony, oh yes, never ask a question to which you don't know the answer to and listen to the response. There are others, but your get the drift.
My take is that if the SHrs were to benefit from this merger deal $800,000. that point should have jumped out to most people and there wouldn't be opposition to the "deal". Also, my distrust of these people make me wonder what else they are up to and wonder what lengths will they take to complete this deal. Am reasonably sure that The Laser Guy has it right in his post #43380 and, as we all should know, follow the money will get you closer to the truth than any other one thing.
Wonder where Mr. Hand is, are you still lurking? Come on back, join the crowd.
With all the hard questions coming up, the other option may be looking better.
Know that there is case law allowing one to stop a legal contract, will check on your request, need to know, is that question to be taken as literal?
Have been haunting the law library of late, glad that back when I took an interest in the law and learned my way around in same. Have run across some case law and rules that could prove to be of interest. Will see which may apply that could be of use.
As we have been saying all along, this "merger" has always been on a one way street. These guys are not fighting for control just for the fun of it. I could be all wrong but it sure seems to me that we are still missing something, have a hard time thinking these guys wouldn't be suing us unless they knew all the bases were covered. My question is, which base could we have missed? Has to be third or home in my opinion.
As we have been saying all along, this "merger" has always been on a one way street. These guys are not fighting for control just for the fun of it. I could be all wrong but it sure seems to me that we are still missing something, have a hard time thinking these guys wouldn't be suing us unless they knew all the bases were covered. My question is, which base could we have missed? Has to be third or home in my opinion.
Have found that re-reading Great Expectations does a heart good.