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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703886904576031510722493874.html#articleTabs%3Darticle
Gotta make you wonder about the dinar & value at this point......
Way too low right now......maybe it does RV........
Is there a 34th street in Montreal?
Interesting lawsuit here.....Bain & company operated in the EXACT MANNER..seeing the tech, than forcing BK.........
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20101218/NEWS02/12180317/Richard-Tarrant-targeted-in-100M-lawsuit
"Tarrant's motive in engineering the bankruptcy was to acquire these assets for nominal value, and to destroy Wortley's right to claim a share of the profits as a Global shareholder," Wortley, the plaintiff in the case, contends in the lawsuit.
Rosebud, what are you thinking? $100 million too high? 75?
makes no sense to sell at this point for me at least.....I will be playing the music & arranging the deck chairs....If the sink ships, I will be the last one off the ship....or should I say "tugboat".......
maico sold that big chunk... 2.5... & the bid did not drop on him....
I am not selling......
Somebody sitting at the bid buying, & somebody selling most likely before the end of the year to take their loss or offset any gains......EFFCQ?.....
I wonder how Bain is feeling right now with his decision to screw all shareholders right before Christmas.....
Is there a 34th street in Montreal?
Maybe this is getting ready for another run.....??
Interesting.......
are they calling "perclos" saccalades? Looks like the methodology is using GAZE with the eyes......Although this method does not seem specific to detecting drowsy drivers...
May BAIN & company can bankrupt this company as well to get this tech for dyslexia.....
Are there any outstanding debts with SMI?
Gaze and eye tracking studies measure and plot the movement of the human eye. In the neuroscience and psychological fields, eye tracking can be used to analyze how we process visual information and to help detect neuro-degenerative diseases or comprehension disorders such as dyslexia.
http://www.groupocean.com/en/who-are-we/history
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Effective-Control-Transport-Announces-CRAM-Testing-Maritime-Industry-With-Ocean-Group-873018.htm
"In our commitment in maintaining leader status in the maritime industry and continue providing safe and reliable service, we are very excited to be collaborating with ECT in the testing which will hopefully lead to the future integration of the CRAM technology in our full fleet of vessels," stated Gordon Bain, CEO of Ocean Group Inc.
I still have my receipt from a souvlaki lunch from a fews year back.....Can I submit that as a creditor?
Do you still have your total tally of the "T" Trades?
Now would be the time to rise up as a united team.....
Maybe they will issue a PR, stating their plan of action.....
If they have quit, well shareholders should have some representation.....maybe we should join the bandwagon on the creditor list.....
How many "T" trades show up a few years back?
Rosebud,
As stated may times, this does not pass the smell taste......
We as shareholders are all in this together......I have no intentions of giving up here...
As posted by Proveit2, The Fat Lady may be warming up, but she hasn't sung yet....
"Never, never, never give up!"
~ Winston Churchill
If the company can levy enough financial resources to pay the creditors in full or an agreed upon portion, the BK will be avoided.
Do you feel the ECT REcovery TEAM (Guy, Guy, Guy? & Gib) are looking at this option?
http://www.pwc.com/ca/en/office-location/index.jhtml#Q
I would assume the office in Quebec City........the trustee of our IP.....
US Shareholders...would you have force this company into bankruptcy? Would you go after the tech?
Could a US citizen have done what was done in Quebec? How would a judge react to a "group of US investors" who were going to finance the company, than turn & forcing ECT Canada bankrupt? Would the judge have done what he did? HHmmmmmm.....
Canadian shareholders.....thoughts?
If you wish to take this off the public message board, certainly feel free to PM.....
money......
Proveit2,
#1 What was Gib's Plan? (details please)
#2 What was the Plan that US Investors said no to? Who were the Canadian investors? (shareholders?) What assistance were they looking to get? (details please)
Somebody sucked up your shares.....I am surprised it did not down-tick.....You gotta do what you gotta do.......WOW...2.5 million shares...stays @ .0015.....should have tanked it to triples.....
Good luck in your next adventure!
The question is who was sitting on the bid?
At least with th BK, nobody with evil intentions can make another move on the company.....in Canada.....Delaware are you on red alert?
Let's us shareholders put a bid in for the TECH...Than we go find some investors & open this company in the states.....I think Proveit2 can be the CEO....he seems to know what the magic bullet is.....can we get him a visa? EB-5 program?
Hello from snowy Ottawa......
Did anything happen to the stock price today? Man, this Stock is RESILIENT!
Patent pending....US Patent...Canadian Patent....
Did the recovery team not pay the debt that Bain bought out? Is that why we are bankrupt? I find it like a kangaroo court here....
all this is "above my pay scale".....I am unsure what exactly will infold in the next few weeks.....I mean Huppe went bankrupt, was still living in his fancy house & was driving his nice car....
We need to digest this information, get all the facts, & develop a plan of action....I know we are resolved, and if their is an attempt to steal the IP in this manner, it will not come cheap & will end up in the courts again....
Again, As we mentioned to Gordan Bain in the letter, their is a win/win situation...gotta run for now....
THE CRAM BELONGS ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE, NOT IN THE COURTS!
whose bankrupt? USA or Canada?
Mario was discussing with Caroni way back in the summer of 2009, at the food court in Place Ville Marie, when Gib was in Brazil & Bailiffs were knocking on doors courtesy of Huppe.....I think Mario clocked one to be honest with you when they went to his house....my my my...how things change........
Dave,
Could you look into what it would take to call a shareholders Meeting? I am all for calling one, getting a plan together which protects the shareholders, voting on the board members & getting the CRAM to the market I am tired of this useless waste of time paying lawyers & court fees. With the amount spent thus far, perhaps BRUNO could have been tinkering with the CRAM at L'ecole & we could have been much closer.....
Let us know...In fact maybe we can get the shareholders to pay for this.....I know a few US Shareholders who would be willing to share the cost....maybe we get some Canadians on board as well...
Thanks in advance!
THE CRAM BELONGS ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE, NOT IN THE COURTS!
Agreed.....ECN ECT......
How unfair is it that former employees of the company could take the company bankrupt and wipe out shareholders? We as shareholders were the ones paying their salaries for 2 years, albeit indirectly. They were earning pretty good wages all that time as employees not of ECT but of ECN Holdings.
Is Guy Benoit a creditor?
Are you a Creditor?
So lets go bankrupt... now as caroni says,..sorry... I mean reseller...."ITS OVER" & start fighting who gets the IP.....HHmmmmmmm.
THE CRAM BELONGS ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE NOT IN THE COURTS!
I know you are the best pinky guy here doog, but not all companies have to print Billions of shares, RS, & so forth....
Are they all really just pumps & dumps? So every where you go on IHUB, every board their are BAGHOLDERS....
The longs here would just like to see a plan the protects the shareholders, one which we were never able given the opportunity to see......who knows what tomorrow brings........
There is plenty of opportunity for everyone here. EGOS & GREED get in the way all the time.....
I like the concept of PAYING IT FORWARD...did you ever see that flick?
THE CRAM BELONGS ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE, NOT IN THE COURTS!
Nevermind Nov 2, the aftershocks Canadians will be feeling in 13 days from their cousins here.....I could see an aftershock beginning in Washington State..all the way to Delaware.....before 11/02/2010......
THE CRAM BELONGS ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE NOT IN THE COURTS!
Rosebud,
THE CRAM BELONGS ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE NOT IN THE COURTS.....
that being said, I see what your are saying here in your post....
If it is true that Bain has made an agreement with a group of American investors to purchase the IP after BK, it would be simple enough to follow that transaction. The court does not turn a blind eye to blatant fraudulent activities.
However, again I have been traveling the last 4 hours so I have missed some of these posts....but wanted to share this....
What may intrigue you is that late this afternoon I received a call from a Quebecer, who is very close to the Bain/Belanger Team, who had some interesting things to say, & in the brief conversation we had, I think we both agreed that we should assembly the shareholders & see a plan to save the shareholders & get this thing going....I had never spoken to this person...my phone number was given to him by Mr. Gauthier........(not Guy Paul)
I plan to meet some Canadian shareholders here in Ottawa in the coming days...
Well it's good to Luc & Dave on right on top of this...one day we all will be on the same page...can't wait to meet them in person...perhaps some chicken @ Scores?.....Not quite sure if we have the full story here....
It is time all shareholders to come together. Lets see the Quebec Investors plan, on the table. No more back door deals, no more boiler room calls.... let's put it all on the table. It is time to save the shareholders & take the CRAM from the Courts & put it on the assembly line.....
How do we all get everyone in the same room, both shareholders & potential Investors?
Let's get it moving & call a meeting!
We are all in this together!
FROM THE COURTS TO THE ASSEMBLY LINE!
PS, I am assuming we are OK today in court......fat lady is sleeping.......any official word?
Cowpatty,
I had meetings most of the day, in & out, late night form Toronto & out again to Ottawa tomorrow evening......so....sorry for the delay.....
I wanted to convey our concerns as shareholders to the action that will be taking place. I expressed my concerns, that this could possibly wipe out shareholders if indeed bankruptcy was granted by the court....I also wanted to know why after negotiations were ongoing between the Quebec Investors (Bain & Belanger & others), that no deal was done. I also wanted to ask about the intentions of this action to buy out a creditor, ( I have no idea who they bought out) to become a creditor in an attempt to take the IP.
Something happened that lit the fuse between the Quebec Investors & the ECT recovery Board. They did not believe that the ECT was a competant board.
After months of closed door meetings, they turn around & basically are trying to grab the IP.
We are not privy to any information on these discussions that happened last winter. But is does not seem right, that as potential investors saving the company & providing financing,..... turned into I want the IP now, & we will wipeout the shareholders. That does not pass the smell test.
I conveyed to Christopher, again, that as a shareholder we can vote on this & the BOD WILL NEED to be voted on in a shareholder meeting. I would like to see the plan proposed. The problem is, nobody wants to pay for anything........
I believe EGOs were one of the main factors. I don't think that Bain is an evil man, but something happened. I believe he is a well respected, wealthy man in Quebec. However, I do not agree with what his attentions are with the IP, if in fact his plan is to recover the IP & wipeout shareholders.
I told Christopher that the US investors would not sit idly by, & would protect their interests & investment. There are many of us who bought in the summer of 2007 in the 50's & 60's & some who quite frankly spent more than $500,000 in shares of ECT.
My understanding of the conversation back on October 5th, was they were going to proceed with this case. They would plan to take the IP & start over in a new company, if for some reason the judge/judgement agreed in their favor.
I do not think the Quebec court could just say here, take the IP, ECT is Bankrupt, it yours. However, as we know the company is very fragile at this point. I don't even think you can call it a company. If we survive another court case, well we can say the fat lady hasn't song yet....however again...this does not belong in court.....as I said to somebody...
THE CRAM DOES NOT BELONG IN THE COURTS IT BELONGS ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE......
all for now......
LOL.."control the board"...not much to control!
INEFFECTIVE CONTROL...now how did that happen?
Congrats! You are now an Assistant MOD!
yes.....
I met with Christopher Gauthier, (their lawyer) in St Jean Sur Richelieu, just outside of Montreal.....
A letter from US Shareholders, written to Gordon Bain & Alphonse Belanger concerning their attempt to force bankruptcy on ECT. The court date is tomorrow. These were the same individuals who were to provide the financing to bring the CRAM to the market.
The Ect investors alliance
September 11, 2010
VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS
Mr. M. Gordon Bain
c/o Group Ocean, Inc.
105, rue Abraham-Martin
Quebec City, Quebec G1K 8N1
Canada
Mr. Alphonse Belanger
c/o Quebec Stevedoring Company Limited (QSL)
2070, avenue de la Riviere-Jaune
Quebec City, Quebec G2N 1T2
Canada
Re: Effective Control Transport, Inc., a Delaware corporation (“ECT”)
Gentlemen:
The individuals on the undersigned partial list are citizens of the United States, and as long-term investors in ECT have structured a coalition (the “ECT Investors Alliance”), dedicated to the purposes of protecting and advancing our mutual interests. The ECT Investors Alliance consists of several major shareholders and creditors of ECT, counting as members a number of American professionals, including doctors, psychologists, a pastor, an attorney and ethicist, as well as persons involved in transportation, insurance, finance, telecommunications, real estate, tourism and recreation, and other fields. We estimate that we own approximately 30-50 million shares of ECT, and we are continuing to seek out other individuals with comparable interests.
The ECT Investors Alliance is contacting each of you at this time to express our serious concerns about any possible threat to the future financial posture of ECT, which would obviously constitute a direct threat to our joint interests as well. It is our understanding that you are, like some of us, shareholders and creditors of ECT, and that you are aware of the distressed financial circumstances that the company presently faces. For this reason, we would initially be inclined to believe that your interests with respect to ECT should be fully aligned with our own. Namely, we would assume that, like us, you strongly desire that the company recover from its existing financial troubles, and succeed as a viable business enterprise, which as you know, involves the completion of the development of the CRAM technology.
The ECT Investors Alliance has recently learned, however, that each of you has apparently acquired certain of ECT’s outstanding debt obligations, and that litigation in the Quebec courts over the satisfaction of those debts may be contemplated, perhaps with the objective of forcing ECT into bankruptcy, and effectively wiping out the interests of its many shareholders. While we can appreciate the efforts of any creditor or shareholder to enforce his legal rights, we must vigorously disapprove of, and we will most certainly oppose, any such effort if taken at the direct expense of ECT’s other shareholders.
Many of us have invested substantial portions of our savings into the ECT venture, and sincerely believe that the company’s potential for success is enormous. For that reason, we must construe any potential threat to ECT’s survival as a profoundly personal matter, not just a business matter. We are aware, of course, that ECT has endured considerable turmoil in its short history, but we are resolved to remain patient, given the latent value of the CRAM technology.
As you both will recall, one year ago a convincing majority of ECT’s shareholders voted to reclaim our rightful ownership of the company, to install a competent Board of Directors, and to continue moving towards the goal of bringing the CRAM to an expected worldwide market. It is our understanding that each of you supported the solicitation proposals, and that like us, you believed that such joint shareholder action was warranted in light of the previous regime’s mismanagement. Although the validity of the shareholder vote was disputed, our confidence was promptly restored when justice was decisively achieved – in an American court of law.
Despite the progress resulting from the turnover in ECT’s management, in our view the company now stands at a critical stage. The company is saddled with the debts incurred by the former management, but has no business revenues with which to pay its creditors. On the other hand, the company still possesses an extremely promising but intangible asset – its intellectual property rights to the CRAM technology. In an attempt to resolve these problems and move the company forward, the ECT Board has recently proposed the creation of a new, private Canadian corporation, to be formed with original investment capital, which would operate in tandem with ECT as the exclusive licensee and developer of its technology.
The ECT Investors Alliance has carefully examined and evaluated the Board’s proposal, and strongly favors its implementation. We have concluded that the Board’s plan, in a remarkably equitable manner, simultaneously accommodates the interests of ECT’s creditors, the interests of ECT’s shareholders, and the interests of the new investors. Put simply, under the Board’s current proposal, everyone benefits and no one loses.
With this in mind, several members of the ECT Investors Alliance have been assisting the Board in pursuing new investment capital, pursuant to the terms being proposed. Our efforts along these lines, as well as those of the Board itself, are ongoing. We believe that it is only a matter of time before a suitable arrangement will be reached with a group of new investors.
As mentioned above, the interests of the members of the ECT Investors Alliance, and the interests of each of you as shareholders and creditors of ECT, would appear to be compatible ones. As a result, all of us are, or at least all of us should be, “on the same page” in this challenging endeavor. There appears to be no rational necessity – for any of us – to strike any kind of adversarial posture towards the others.
In other words, if we can all focus our resources in a determined effort to advance our common interests, everyone benefits and no one loses.
Accordingly, we genuinely hope that it is not, in fact, your present intention to exploit your current status as two of ECT’s creditors in a manner that inequitably threatens to have this fledgling but possibly world-changing enterprise – which as you are well aware, remains an American corporation established under the laws of the State of Delaware – placed into an involuntary bankrupt status. But if this is your intention, then the members of the ECT Investors Alliance, and all others with similar interests, will have no choice but to take all necessary and appropriate steps to assert and protect their own interests and legal rights, to the full extent permitted under the law, with all of the resources at their collective disposal.
Under that kind of reciprocally hostile scenario, the various parties will inevitably end up in the courts of law, litigating the specifics of their respective claims and legal rights, possibly for several years. Predictably, it will be the lawyers who accumulate the greatest benefits from that process, to the proportional detriment of the parties, and as typically occurs in such protracted cases, all of the parties will eventually walk away disappointed and dissatisfied. Which is to say – nobody wins, everybody loses.
That is not what we want, and we cannot fathom that such an ultimate waste of time, effort, and money is what anyone wants.
As we see it, if the Board’s dual-entity recovery plan can be implemented successfully, resulting in the final development and marketing of the CRAM device, the bottom line is that there will be more than enough financial rewards for everyone involved. It was only three years ago, after all, that ECT’s shares were trading at prices that were approaching one dollar. Yet that result was accomplished on little more than overly-optimistic speculation and rumor, which sidestepped the real-world problems that the Board is now openly acknowledging and addressing. We ask you to imagine, by contrast, ECT as a legitimate, debt-free technology licensor, with minimal operating costs, with regular royalty payments as its revenues, with yearly earnings per share, and paying dividends. Is there any question that the trading price of ECT’s shares could once again approach, and likely exceed, those previous highs?
And as an added consequence, would we not have the moral satisfaction of knowing that our shared efforts have facilitated the implementation of a device that saves lives?
Messrs. Bain and Belanger, the undersigned individuals therefore make this personal appeal to each of you. If we disregard the fact that our interests are essentially harmonious, and if we proceed to steer mutually antagonistic headings, we will not only have dissipated our resources in frustrating legal wrangling, but most importantly, we will have missed participating in what appears to be the opportunity of a lifetime. We sincerely believe, then, that the most profitable route for all parties involved in the ECT endeavor is clear – to help the company recover, and to help the company succeed.
Given these considerations, the ECT Investors Alliance respectfully solicits your response to this expression of our serious concerns. Although our members are located across the United States, making a face-to-face meeting impractical, a delegation representing our membership (as indicated below) is willing to arrange a telephonic conference with the two of you, if you so desire, to discuss these matters further.
Gentlemen, your kind attention and consideration are appreciated.
Sincerely,
THE ECT INVESTORS ALLIANCE
Partial List of Members:
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North Bloomfield, Ohio
xxx
Newbury Park, California
xxx
Bakersfield, Vermont
xxx
Austintown, Ohio
xxx
Lake Charles, Louisiana
xxx
Manalapan, New Jersey
xxx
Farmville, North Carolina
xxx
Burlington, Vermont
xxx
Jackson, Michigan
xxx
Kirkland, Washington
xxx
Kirkland, Washington
xxx
Glendale, California
xxx
Jeffersonville, Vermont
xxx
Kirkland, Washington
xxx
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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.177 were taking a pounding.....
Volume is needed.....BIG VOLUME.....Last week was not good....
In light of the barage here on the board, & the current PPS down from the 40 cent level, do you still think .50-$1.00 by Year End?