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Allen is in the middle, doesn't need the headache, has much better things to do. It's not easy to find a home for it right now, soy is to high. I have a deal to put it in Syracuse close to done, will need to upgrade it to handle high FFA yellow grease. I was putting a refund (less 25% restock) to turning mill in that deal. Seemed the best route forward for all. The genius needed a pump and shot himself in the foot IMO.
It's through Turning Mill, my contract is with them. Allen is working with them now. He is also the only one that will talk with Aziz. I won't, and haven't since long ago. There is no more frustrating thing on earth to do than to try and talk with Aziz. He goes from insulting your integrity to insulting your intelligence, back and forth. I've never seen anyone with the gall to say the things he does, especially after happy hour.
The communication goes through Allen, still. About a month ago he called looking for an update on how we were doing on selling it to someone else.
Fair enough. That's one PR we know was a lie, I know of another recent one that was too. Maybe we should keep score. I'm sure we can come up with a batting average. Naturally, we'll have to assume the rest are true until we can definitively prove they are not, right?
So you do agree the PR was a lie?
You carefully avoided the elephant again. Do you agree the PR stating there would be no dilution was a lie?
JG...what's your carefully crafted reply to this?
Yea, I'm not letigious by nature but this went too far. I have an awesome attorney and will have him loaded for bear soon.
I know, that's the part that bugs me the most, reports for attorneys are trumping it.
Watching the stock go up following the latest PR defaming me.
I feel like an orange.
I have never heard of them working together and can't imagine why they would. What would AMHD bring?
That was part of a merger we were doing with a technology company. It fell thru.
I'm learning too. Thank you
A nitrogen blanket is used at the refinery as it prevents oxidation, shipping fresh when it leaves. It's not used down stream. Biodiesel has 6 months before it degrades significantly. It then burns more like diesel, has less oxygen, but works. Additives keep it oxygenated and should be used for extended storage. Water will precipitate microbial growth a little faster than in diesel, not much now the sulpher is gone though. Adsorbents, water sumping, good practices easily prevent this. Biocides (additive) are another approach.
Really? I hadn't heard that. Excess alchohol will do that, it should be removed from the biodiesel though. The methyl esthers don't absorb much more water than diesel. Shelf life is workable with additives now.
I'd second that. I know Exxon funded Stamford's anti-biofuel "study" that Friends of Earth and other very well funded anti-biofuel PR firms cite. I heard they spent 23 million in anti biofuel propaganda altogether. The Stamford study claimed biodiesel increased Nox. They based that on clear cutting a forest, planting rape seed and using the maximum allowed nitrogen fertilizer which was the actual source of Nox. They don't mention the substantial reductions in everything else. This to me shows an agenda and I cannot believe anything else they've said.
Pimentel at Cornell has also been infamous at spinning the numbers out of line with all other accredited work. His work is then cited by every nut trying to feel significant and argue the cause.
I know the economics on biofuels will drive it regardless of the propaganda.
Nothing is as easy as it seems....
Yes, according to Shaine, the animals come out of the forest, eat the meal and die.
It's in there, they mention toxic oil, don't mention what to do with it. It may make a great fertilizer, kills the bugs, and the deer and the rabbits, and...
yea, circles
I only see small saplings in their pics. If they had towering mature bushes ready to produce a decent yield I'd think they had some pics of those.
Bullshit
1) I looked at costa rica ag website, it's not listed, while every fruit and nut is accounted for.
2) Argue this...My daughter kristina lived in costa rica, and spent 3 weeks hiking through that same providence, she's a complete biodiesel nut and never encountered any jatropha anywhere, only palm. She slept in a hammock in the jungle and had a family of monkeys wake her up, swear to god. You want DD, beat that.
3) You really think someone had planted Jatropha, made the investment in biofuels, kept the crop a secret from the ag ministry, watched oil prices skyrocket and is willing to give all the margin away to Aziz?
JG
It takes 3-4 years for the crops to mature. If they are planting it now they won't see any revenue for many years. How do you argue this? Are they not pointing to this as their source of revenue?
This is my 2nd or 3rd direct post to you asking simple obvious elephant in the room type question you dismiss.
Ok...where does the revenue come from and when?
JG
What am I missing? Doing some simple math here.
The article above says one company ( a competitor) is building a 20 MM GPY plant in Costa Rica, has existing infrastructure tapped, a plantation for jatropha they are developing that won't be ready till 2011. Sounds legitimate. Then I read Amelots PR and it doesn't.
It takes 3-4 years min to grow jatropha to full yield, with 25% yield after year 1. AMHD has 2,000 acres. Jatropha yields between 200 gallons per acre per costa rica ag website, let's use 360 from the above chart. That's 720,000 gallons at best 3-4 years from now.
If this plantation was planted say 3 years ago and was getting ready to produce why would those investors hand it over. If they were buying a mature plantation seems they would have pumped that. Is it safe to assume this is a new plantation?
That means they are 3-4 years from having 720,000 gallons. Where does their revenue come from till then?
I know that...it makes all kinds of stuff, medicine, fertilizer, etc. Most biodiesel feedstocks contain glycerin attached to esthers. The biodiesel process replaces the glycerin with an alchohol, making a methyl esther (with methanol) ethyl ester with ethanol, etc. The glycerin is a byproduct often used to make soap.
It also makes poison, mountains of it. K. Shaine Tyson PHD is a good friend. She led the National Renewable Energy Lab research for over 10 years, is a well respected guru in the industry. She knows a 1,000 times more about this than anyone and will argue this issue to the wall, she has with me. She owns Rocky Mountain consulting now, call her and ask, she charges 150/hr to talk to me. She claims that Jatropha's achilles heal is the toxic byproduct and says till someone figures out how to deal with it that it makes jatropha a bad feedstock. It's an issue the industry sweeps under the rug. If Dynasep can extract the good and neutralize the bad than they have something. I haven't been following this issue, there may be others tackling it, would be surprised if there weren't.
I am who I am, look me up. I haven't changed my tune. I'll give you both sides as I see 'em. I'm not pro AMHD, I'm pro biofuels.
Do you have any links that support that? That's news to me.
Dealing with millions of tons of poison is not that simple, sorry. I'm sure Aziz thinks it is though.
That machine will likely make biodiesel in the field eventually, it's not a big leap from what they're doing from what I see. That would not take advantage of the US subsidies though. They gain a dollar a gallon by processing and blending it here, plus state incentives that can double that.
Not much. They look to be a vendor of supercritical gas separation systems. That technology would provide the highest yields I would think on Jatropha oil extraction. If you squeeze a bean you get the oil as well as pesticides, water, etc. Seems cheap till you then need to bring it up to a boiling point to vacuum separate(boil) the water out which is expensive. Meanwhile you have oil left in the meal. In soybean land that's ok as it provides nutrition and value. Jatropha meal is poisonous. You will soon have a large pile of poison that looks like food to the animals. Large soy crushing plants use solvent extraction which adds solvent, heat, vacuum and pulls very high yields of oil. Oil is now worth more than the meal as it follows diesel and maximizing yields is cost efficient. Gasifying the jatropha bean sounds like a good approach to maximizing yields and possibly detoxifying the byproduct (many in the industry call the meal anti-nutritional, ha). Harvesting, handling, breaking it down for gasification, determining separation points, techniques, analyzing byproduct values, finding markets, waste stream handling, etc. It's really a lot to tackle. The field seems to be wide open for new good approaches. Harvesting the beans is another field that needs some magivers to tackle well. You can buy technology the cheapest when it is unproven. Being a guinea pig so to speak. I'm speculating, but I'd say they are anxious to get in to jatropha bean processing. Will they do it better than the 1000 guys in the world that have been squeezing beans all their life? They must think so. Will they like Aziz as they try to work out the bugs, highly unlikely IMO.
I never spoke to an inspector or anyone. I follow the codes. I think it was a matter of them not understanding the codes when they selected the site. Allen inherited the site and was trying to make it work, lost some time. I was working on a different front really.
I wasn't involved for long on that facility. I explained the code requirements and they had other issues that weren't my concern such as the cost of feedstock delivered there, truck traffic, etc. Allen decided pretty quick it wasn't a good spot.
makes sense..
Turning Mill is a GC and that's how they do things. They verify the work, pay it, mark it up, bill the client. There was not a progress dispute.
First, I do 50 projects a year and they all get done. Second, they had a detailed itemized inventory on every nickel spent. Third, I was doing them a favor at that price and was trying to help a friend. They never questioned our progress. They apologized for being broke.
Funny how I appeared after being impugned at the one place anybody in the world cares? You need to think more logically, that one's easy.
todd@fuel-tanks.com
They didn't have the 25k, was soo soo stupid. I believe they couldn't afford Allen either which was why he was let go.
No,I should go back and read it to make sure. They required reports on parts purchased, work performed, pics, etc before they made payments. Insulted me but I complied.