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In CMKX so does Bozo the clown
LOL
That thought entered my mind the first time I saw a picture of Urban in his flame shirt. Too bad he didn't have matching clown shoes to go with that outfit so folks could see right through him.
On the other hand, many folks always knew Ron was clown. Funny how Treff went on about those worthless CIM shares. Is this another Delipump?
(11:59 PM) very_tired15: MIJ, keep a close tab on your CIM. The brokers have been stealing them at an accellerated rate. It is very hard to do right now (I tried for over a year with zero succcess), but see if you can get your CIM in cert form. Do not accept the lies about not being able to get it because it is private or restricted - that is irrelevant.
(12:28 AM) very_tired15: Lucifer appears in many forms
(12:29 AM) very_tired15: I spoke to him eary this evening
Does anyone need any more proof that he hears voices in his head, as well as the Russian national anthem? lol
if I was not such a porker, I would have taped on some fly wings and put glue on my hands
Pigs can fly!
It's just amazing how they discuss this as if it were real
It's funny how many times the Xers have tried to google payments from Global Settlements/Economic Receipt only to come up with World Reports.
Cy Stapleton had an interesting comment about it presumably from Hodges, whom we know gets feed BS from the Bonney/Cottrell/ and the late Chris Story gang.
A couple of the experts reported that they had spoken with the attorney and that money would be forthcoming as soon as the attorney received the "receipt of economic release." When asked what a receipt of economic release was the response was "notification that the taxes had been paid on the funds and they could be released." I asked a couple of attorney and accountant friends the definition of the term and they had never heard of it. It turns out the term was used several times in the suit the attorney had filed. I was unable to find the term by Goggling it, so I looked up the attorney and called him and asked the definition. It turns out that the term is a very new one and is defined as a notification acknowledging that something of value had been transferred from one entity to another entity. That "something of value" can be money, property, or anything of value. I did not ask anything about CMKX because my interest was to get the definition of the term
Treffry Today (7:41 AM) very_tired15: Just hang in there, hopefully not much longer. There is word from a couple sources behind the scenes that our money moved towards to the last place it has to move before distribution. The question I believe that remains is how long the trust administrator gets to hold the money for interest that are their fees.
(7:41 AM) very_tired15: I believe the gov't blockings are not on the CMKX money.
(7:42 AM) very_tired15: But the global settlements. I believe that we are not attached any longer or that we will be separated in the near future.. AIMO
(7:45 AM) very_tired15: This is my personal perspective. It is not what AH told me so please keep that in mind. However, I have a few interesting connections here and there (as so many people do) and that is my opinion based upon what I hear.
(7:46 AM) very_tired15: I would feel a whole lot better if they did big... even if it is a few weeks away, let us know now so it is written in stone and can not be changd.
8-16-10:
(11:31 PM) ColorfulCO: very tired, don't you feel that what Hodges holds cannot go out regardless of plaintiff's rights? If you all were picked, so the rumor goes...isn't it something how Al proclaims his "we shall prevail". I believe him.
(11:32 PM) Trillionaire1: poofness said I know there is great anticipation for announcements this evening from mr. geithner but that has not been given to me officially by "they who know." I can assure you whether it is tonight or another day, it is imminent. There is a great silence from behind the curtain. Those that know won't say. However, they have acknowledged that there is a drop-dead date.
(11:33 PM) very_tired15: How many "drop dead dates" have we heard of before?
(11:33 PM) ColorfulCO: I don't think I've heard one drop dead date from anyone I trusted, haven't heard one from Al I don't think.
(11:34 PM) very_tired15: Colorfulco, sharing it with this plaintiff does not mean it will go out.
(11:34 PM) ColorfulCO: I understand that very tired, maybe some kind of agreement, Al specifically? don't know either.
(11:35 PM) very_tired15: ColorfulCo, I do not need to sign anything to remain silent about evidence.
(11:38 PM) delbert62: very tired, do you think Al has the goods, and not saying?
(11:38 PM) very_tired15: That is possible D. I just don't know.
(11:39 PM) very_tired15: His oratory skills are very good. He did not present evidence at that hearing as that was not an evidentiary hearing. Who wants to interrupt anything?
(11:41 PM) ColorfulCO: ah, I'm not saying that tired...I like the track we're on, no doubt it's been beneficial to go before that judge/
(11:41 PM) bossman_135: well thsat explans it all
(11:41 PM) very_tired15: I believe that there were many positive elements to behold at that hearing.
(11:41 PM) bossman_135: allen your a plainif
(11:42 PM) very_tired15: bossman, you're a poster on PT
(11:42 PM) ColorfulCO: Hodges plays like a fox, lol....he's good.
(11:42 PM) Trillionaire1: Alan as a lawyer, can you call any people he represented in the past and see how things were for them? Maybe he is just trying to protect you from something. Don't know, wish I was a fly on the wall.
(11:43 PM) very_tired15: There is not a doubt in my mind that he is a very intelligent and talented lawyer.
(11:43 PM) very_tired15: Trillionaire, if I was not such a porker, I would have taped on some fly wings and put glue on my hands and tried that already.
(11:44 PM) oscar02: I just don't like to entertain the possibility of Allan leaving too. It's like if I asked you if you were going to sell all your cmkx because someone else did
(11:44 PM) very_tired15: Salty is not leaving
(11:45 PM) Trillionaire1: good to hear, I hope you all hang in there and live through this with all of us
(11:45 PM) oscar02: Very-tired, is Salty staying on as a plaintiff?
(11:46 PM) very_tired15: Peace has been restored
(11:46 PM) very_tired15: Peace has been restored
(11:47 PM) brp65432: very tired, you don't have to say what but did Al try and make amends with you guys?
(11:48 PM) very_tired15: It is very difficult to be a plaintiff in a $3.87 T lawsuit and know that if the bad guys win, you will be a serious target (perhaps even if the bad guys lose too).. and not even know enough to understand where the dangers are coming from.
(11:48 PM) factsonly: Thanks Allan about SAlty Update, not leaving as a plaintiff
(11:48 PM) geezer_49: very_tired15: Peace has been restored
(11:49 PM) very_tired15: Al and I were not at odds, other than my normal complaints.
(11:49 PM) delbert62: yes , thanks for doing what you can allen
(11:49 PM) ColorfulCO: I hear ya very tired, that's why your all in our prayers, till death do us part!!
(11:49 PM) very_tired15: Salty and I talked today (he also talked to another one of his friends) and peace was restored.
(11:50 PM) brp65432: Did Al talk to you today very tired?
(11:50 PM) very_tired15: Thank you. I believe with all my heart that those prayers are powerful
(11:50 PM) very_tired15: Yes, Al did
(11:50 PM) very_tired15: I called him to let him know that Salty and I spoke.
(11:51 PM) very_tired15: I had high hopes bossman
(11:52 PM) very_tired15: Pat is a good man. There is not deceit in him, but a sincerety indiciative of a man of true faith.
(11:54 PM) pebbles08: Salty is also dead center in the NSS issues with BMCS & Houser
(11:55 PM) bossman_135: allen who was feeding you all that bull back then
(11:55 PM) very_tired15: I saw a most remarkable video today. I think it might be for free on Google or Youtube. It is called "They Sold Their Souls For Rock and Roll." It is truly unbelievable.
(11:56 PM) very_tired15: I have been fed a lot of bull. Whoch particular bull are you referring to?
(11:56 PM) very_tired15: Which
(11:56 PM) kenny904: very tired any Idea of how close Al is to resolving this? Sorry for asking I just have my back to the wall like so many others.
(11:56 PM) very_tired15: Kenny, I do not know if it is really Al who is in control of resolving this. That is how kept inthe dark I really am.
(11:57 PM) kenny904: understand thanks for the honest answer
(11:57 PM) ColorfulCO: Alan, doesn't Al have an nda on him?
(11:57 PM) kasey54: very tired i thanks you quys for putting yourself out there to get this done, i can appreaciate the apprehension this lawsuit has to be for you all
(11:59 PM) very_tired15: MIJ, keep a close tab on your CIM. The brokers have been stealing them at an accellerated rate. It is very hard to do right now (I tried for over a year with zero succcess), but see if you can get your CIM in cert form. Do not accept the lies about not being able to get it because it is private or restricted - that is irrelevant.
(11:59 PM) very_tired15: I am sure Al has an NDA on him
(11:59 PM) very_tired15: Youre welcome Kasey and thanks for the kind concern
(11:59 PM) very_tired15: Youre welcome Kasey and thanks for the kind concern
(11:59 PM) pebbles08: There is no TA to issue a CIM cert
(11:59 PM) ColorfulCO: Thanks so much Alan.
(12:00 AM) very_tired15: Thank you COlor
(12:00 AM) brp65432: Very tired, I don't understand why Al has an nda on him, what case is it tied with?
(12:00 AM) very_tired15: There is a TA.. it is the Pacific
(12:00 AM) very_tired15: Isn't Pacific in Vegas? They were our old one, right?
(12:01 AM) brp65432: What case is Al's nda tied with?
(12:02 AM) very_tired15: brp, likely a far larger issue
(12:02 AM) very_tired15: NSS , the sting, maybe the end of the fed or maybe the gold standard.. I am not sure
(12:03 AM) factsonly: my father-in-law's CIM has been stolen from his ameritrade account a long time ago we can't get it back
(12:04 AM) factsonly: can't remember it was strike who's dealing with it
(12:05 AM) factsonly: father has his statement of account to prove
(12:05 AM) very_tired15: don't let it go facts.. keep good records and when we do get paid, go for it
(12:06 AM) factsonly: Allan that is what my husband is going to do. father is 90 years old would be very nice if we get paid already so he can enjoy it and also his CIM if he can get back
(12:08 AM) very_tired15: I pray for our payment, not just for the obvious reasons, but also so the elderly CMKX'ers can enjoy this money while they still can
(12:09 AM) 411Chloe: crajaraman: allan what happened to the bank issue ..did al resolve it today ?
(12:08 AM) DrStrangeGlove: god bless you alan
(12:10 AM) very_tired15: TY very much, DrSG
(12:10 AM) very_tired15: Iwas told that the bank issue could not be resolved as long as one very high-level gov't official stood in the way.
(12:10 AM) factsonly: imagine at 90 yearsold and he get paid so he will be one happy Dad al though it won't be much longer to enjoy the wealth but at least he will have the chance to enjoy it
(12:11 AM) DrStrangeGlove: YW Alan
(12:11 AM) very_tired15: Facts- take him on a cruise ship to Hawaii and stay in First Class. Have everything catered to him.. an experience he will never forget
(12:19 AM) cmkxer: hearing salty quiting yesterday got me down.
(12:19 AM) brp65432: It seems as if the high official you mentioned has been implicated for months now, Allen
(12:20 AM) very_tired15: I believe that the actions I have taken are as uplifting of sh morale as I can get.
(12:22 AM) very_tired15: Sometimes the stress on the plaintiffs behind the scenes is more than is seen from the frontal perspective. // Sure thing and thank you for the kind words.
(12:22 AM) Trillionaire1: we should all pray together for the plantiffs, it helps protect them as witnesses in god's eyes
(12:22 AM) Fasttrackermo: Allen I wish you all knew how thankful we are for all you guys do. Words can't say enough
(12:22 AM) friends278: Very_tired, I can only imagine! Thank you!
(12:22 AM) very_tired15: " You know who Rob't Plant was referring to? THe Piper will lead us to reason"
(12:23 AM) cmkxer: allan, i have to tell you that i and most sh feel greatful that you and 6 other plantiffs are stick you neck out there for us.
(12:23 AM) gkhaus1: allan, u are appreciated by all cmkx sh!
(12:23 AM) very_tired15: Thanks very kindly to everyone for the klind words and prayers. They are humbly accepted and greatly appreciated.
(12:24 AM) very_tired15: Who - who - who?"The piper is calling you to join him"
(12:24 AM) EdwardK: Allen I didn't like you much in the Willy days but you have changed quite a bit Thank You
(12:24 AM) very_tired15: Who is "The Piper?" Trivia
(12:25 AM) ColorfulCO: the devil, lol
(12:25 AM) very_tired15: Color... you are 100% correct.
(12:25 AM) very_tired15: literally
(12:26 AM) greasetx: alan...seems pongo thought that al got the bank issue resolved...
(12:26 AM) very_tired15: Maybe they did and it happened after I spoke to Al
(12:26 AM) very_tired15: I do nor know
(12:26 AM) greasetx: we heard it was a technical issue...no peeps involved...looks like that may not be true
(12:26 AM) very_tired15: not
(12:28 AM) greasetx: alan when did you speak to al about the issue last>?
(12:28 AM) very_tired15: Lucifer appears in many forms
(12:29 AM) very_tired15: I spoke to him eary this evening
(12:29 AM) very_tired15: oh well.. gotta run.. baby demands
You people make up this garbage as you go along
Or jimmy could have read another Bud Burrell misinformation article. LOL
Staub will be scratching his head
gus is nuts trying to get Staub's attention about complaints he is filing against law enforcement agencies based solely so far on hearsay by Hodges.
Those agencies could possibly ask for Hodges evidence and if he comes up empty....... oh boy!!!
Not only that, but what if the DOJ goes for the throat now asking Judge Selna for the maximum sanctions because of the fallout from this lawsuit?
Just saying......
But perhaps he'll be glad to learn from Krazy Al's update that Al doesn't believe the SEC has any control over the nonexistent settlement money.
And THAT'S another one! What is the whole point of the lawsuit then?
What an idiot
If "gurvis" is going to file a formal complaint against a FBI agent he should at least get his name correct, or maybe the sock puppet made that mistake.
this was just sent to keith staub of the DOJ and Gerald Burkin of the Nevada FBI
Jerald Robert (Bobby) Burkin graduated from the FBI Academy on March 5 in Quantico, Va. Burkin is a 1999 THS graduate and was accepted to attend the academy
tonganoxiemirror.com/.../1999_ths_graduate_earns_fbi_badge
And why in heaven is gussie hassling Keith Staub of all people with this nonsense is beyond reason! No wonder Pasadena goes into panic mode every time these clowns try to join in on the circus act.
t/y
It must have opened by now unless it has decided to run afoul of Federal Law with regards to the number of days in a row a bank can stay closed (3)
What's this? I thought they are still waiting for the snow to melt in D.C., because back in February that was the only hold up according to eggie. LOL
WOW! Now gus wants to file a complaint against FBI agent Gerald Burkin.
I think "gurvis" should find a friend who is not a real person. The real ones don't seem to be doing him any good
Krazy Al for example? Actually, gus may unintentionally be getting Krazy Al into more hot water by focussing these complaints on Hodges allege evidence in the lawsuit. gus is stating the allegations as fact.
gusjarvis
Re: COALITION UPDATE AND COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST R
« Reply #38 Today at 12:22pm »
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this was just sent to keith staub of the DOJ and Gerald Burkin of the Nevada FBI, it is going to be the way that everyone in canada and the united states can participate in the effort to force the ending of this and release us from this ridiculous situation we are stuck in, they were also sent the pdf file entered into the complaints commission in canada:
This is David Nelson of Kelowna Canada, I run the CMKX Shareholders Coalition for Justice. Our group has filed a public complaint against the RCMP for dereliction of duty for not investigating the allegations put for by the lawyer that represents all shareholders, Mr. Al Hodges, a situation you are fully aware of.
We are about to file a complaint against Special Agent Gerald Burkins of the Nevada FBI who has had our information of the crimes being committed against 50 000 shareholders used in this sting operation for well over a year, and has done nothing. It is inconceivable that the authorities in this case have left the victims of the CMKM Diamonds Inc sting operation hung out to dry for over four years, while they allowed the perpetrators of mass counterfeiting of the stock market and CMKX stock to walk away over five years ago. Those criminals placed money into a trust fund for the victims of those crimes, which was suppose to be distributed over four years ago, in that time many shareholders died, many shareholders have lost their homes, many have been on the brink of suicide, meanwhile the perpetrators continued to commit the same crime with no convictions. Why did the perpetrators get preferential treatment in this case, while the victims have been treated like the criminals here.
I understand you stood up in court for the defendants in his case against the SEC, and heard the details of the sting operation that took place using CMKM Diamonds Inc and their shareholders as pawns in that sting operation. You heard that the perpetrators got off their crimes five years ago by paying into a fund set up by the DOJ and others, the shareholders have never received their money and crimes are currently happening that are preventing us from receiving that money set aside by the DOJ and others for our benefit, while the DOJ just watches and does nothing, forcing the victims to have to fend for themselves.
I represent thousands of shareholders who are currently stuck in this intel operation that you are now fully aware of, and we demand immediate action be taken to release us from that sting operation and for the DOJ to take over from Mr. Hodges and enforce the deals get completed that the DOJ made. It is not the responsibility of the shareoholders to obtain a lawyer to force those deals, it is your duty.
The shareholders coalition has asked the RCMP already in a public complaint to have a conference with the DOJ and resolve this matter. We have also asked that the evidence of the sting operation and evidence of the current crimes being committed that prevent the completion of the deals made by the DOJ and perpetrators in this case be entered into every ongoing case involving CMKM Diamonds Inc as that evidence makes each one of those cases moot.
I have attached the pdf file that was entered into the public complaints commission that investigates the RCMP, and will enter that evidence with you or with the body that investigates the FBI. It is the duty of the DOJ to act on this evidence immediately as it contains very credible allegations made by Mr. Hodges, allegations you heard for yourself in court, allegations Mr. Hodges has risked his whole career on by making.
Thousands of shareolders are watching for the response by the RCMP/FBI/DOJ and are fully prepared to do what it takes to get this matter resolved, but have to wonder why we have to take any actions when it is the responsibilty and the duty of the authorities to act on this, and to stop the crimes currently being committed against the victims they used in a multi government sting operation, one run by your department.
We look forward to hearing from you and or someone in your department to resolve this situation quickly as there is crimes happening against thousands of people as I type this. Thank you.
This is from Al Hodges litigation update to the shareholders still stuck in this sting operation, this is from April 27th 2010:
I have previously stated that I would not provide an “update” until we had confirmation of economic receipt or, I became convinced that payment to CMKX shareholders would not be forthcoming in a timely manner. This “Interim Update” is the exception that proves the rule, so to speak. However, it has been a relatively long period [certainly more than I originally anticipated] since I communicated with the shareholders at large, and there is material information to impart.
Before providing some information about what has been transpiring and our current status, let me address a few other matters:
• I am an attorney and have been retained by seven brave and exceptional shareholders that represent a cross section of the proposed class.
• The Bivens action which I have filed not only sets forth the facts as I know them, it seeks to become a class-action on behalf of all shareholders.
• At this instant in time however, I literally represent only the seven named plaintiffs; as a result, I am constrained in the types and extent of information which I can provide to putative members of the class.
• In the unlikely event that this litigation continues forward, a motion will be filed with the Court requesting that a class be certified. If granted, at that point I will, presumably, be appointed by the Court to continue acting as counsel for the class; thereafter, the Court will be required to approve any and all settlements, and others matters.
• The status of the litigation can at all times be monitored on PACER; as a result, we do not respond to inquiries at my office; accordingly, please do not contact us directly for such information.
• For everyone’s information, all defendant’s have been served, and an initial scheduling conference, originally set by the Court to be held on April 26, 2010 has been continued by mutual agreement of the parties [with consent of the Court] to July 26, 2010.
• The litigation will be aggressively pursued until such time as all CMKX shareholders have been paid.
In a similar vein, please understand that we are not involved in any ongoing negotiations with the SEC and/or their representatives with a view to compromising and/or otherwise attempting to resolve claims of the shareholders. We have set forth in the complaint what the shareholders are entitled to receive; compromise is not anything that the shareholders want, desire, or would tolerate or accept.
The belief of some that yelling and screaming, loudly and publicly enough, can somehow “force” release of the CMKX moneys, is erroneous and misplaced; it will not. Having said that, I do believe that media exposure is beneficial in the sense that it keeps the pressure on the entire financial community.
Inquiring minds want to know: what is our status; what has been going on; what is holding up economic receipt; when will our money be released; and how much money is there? Let me address each of these questions, to the extent I am able, separately:
1. How Much Money – As I have said before, we have persuasive evidence to all of the facts alleged as such in the complaint; accordingly, there is a total of 3.87 Trillon Dollars.
2. When is Release – The CMKX distribution funds will be released within a very short time after there is confirmation of Economic Receipt. What does that mean? It means that currently in process is a massive shift of wealth within the US and the world community; that includes: pay out of all the domestic settlements; institution of the US dollar re-funding project; pay out of world settlements; and, distribution of funds to many other programs. This involves a total of more than $ 42 Trillion. Economic Receipt occurs when all trustees have access to all of the funds they are responsible for.
3. Our Status – We are literally on the thresh-hold. This means that the “work” remaining to be finished will not consume more hours than can be accomplished within one day. We have been at this point now for more than a few weeks.
4. The Delay – Although I could write a book about what’s been going on behind the scenes to cause this additional delay, I’ll try to give you the condensed version:
First - Please be aware and understand that there is an economic war raging in the background.
Second - The naked corruption that is endemic in D.C. is more than most can comprehend; it is clear that these miscreants have no regard for the US Constitution, Federal Laws and Regulations, nor even any sense of simple morality. They are convinced that they are above any constraint that might apply to lesser mortals and that no enforcement activity will ever successfully address them. I hasten to add that such opinions are not universal; having said that, it is more widespread than not.
Third - These miscreants are, in effect, fighting for their lives – at least that part of their lives that establishes an environment in which they can continue to lie, cheat, steal, and mortgage your progeny’s lives, all for their personal gain. Accordingly, they will fight until the doors are all closed by a power that they cannot subvert. That fight continues as I prepare this interim update.
Fourth - The good news is, we are winning the battle. The circle within which these bad apples can operate draws inexorably smaller with each attempt to bribe, suborn and otherwise corrupt the system, and the people within it. By way of example, I was advised that over the weekend one State Department person, 10 bankers and 18 Federal Reserve people were arrested and dealt with.
Fifth – By what date will we have Economic Receipt, you ask. We will have it when this initial battle phase comes to a successful conclusion. That will be in the very near future in my opinion; the current schedule based on advice I received this afternoon is that it should all be finished, with funds in the Trustee’s hands, by week’s end.
I want to extend our heartfelt thanks to those of you who continue to demonstrate support and encouragement for our efforts. We remain very optimistic for the long term. Rest assured that the fight will continue, and we will prevail.
This is an update from Al Hodges from last Friday, August 13th, as of today August 17th the government of the United States is still illegally withholding our money from us, a crime which continues day after day with no action from the RCMP, FBI, or DOJ, those responsible for the sting operation. The shareholders of the CMKM Diamonds sting operation demand that the authorities release them from the sting operation and release the funds that are illegally being withheld from them immediately:
Fifth – By what date will we have Economic Receipt, you ask. We will have it when this initial battle phase comes to a successful conclusion. I still believe that will be in the near future; the most recent schedule, based on communication I received, was that it should have been finished by August 13; somehow at the very last moment, the bank was not available [?] to conclude the necessary transfers. This newest problem, I’m told, is being dealt with this weekend.
I want to extend my heartfelt thanks to those of you who continue to demonstrate support and encouragement for our efforts. We remain very optimistic for the long term. Rest assured that the fight will continue until we succeed. We will prevail.
Al Hodges
This is from one of Mr. Hodges plaintiffs, Mr. Allan Treffry
"I was told that the bank issue could not be resolved as long as one very high-level gov't official stood in the way."
It is the duty of the authorities, including the RCMP/FBI/DOJ to act on these allegations we have made immediately and stop the ongoing crimes against us, it is your duty to make sure the government officials who are illegally stopping us from receiving the money set aside for us by the DOJ are arrested and that these deals get completed. My number is 250 300 4832 and can be contacted any time to confirm our money is safe and will be distributed immediately.
Cy Stapleton has it right. As if the Xers care.
Someone thought Cy was coolmoney's father. Too funny if true.
Does he have imaginary friends as well?
Perhaps. lol His friend may be real, but that seemed like a post that could have been written by gus.
As opposed to.....?
Clones?
Here's gussie's "friend" the former RCMP member. Is gus typing with a sock puppet on one hand? lol
gusjarvis
Re: COALITION UPDATE AND COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST R
« Reply #31 Today at 7:14pm »
My friend, a real person, please after today we need to take his advice, then we will make a difference. I just talked to him, this is a sting, this is legit in , his opinion, there is a way we can push this in his opinion.
We need to quickly coordinate and we will make a difference, even if he calls me gurvis:
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Re: CMKX CIRCLE
« Reply #24 on Aug 13, 2010, 5:41pm »
[image] I am new to the board but have been in constant contact with gurvis. beening a ex rcmp member for over 30 years and knowing the politics involved the head rcmp is elected by the government of canada and is very political so therefore there is zero chance of him or the rcmp to process any complaint againist any type of government body. Therefore as i advised gurvis to go to the Public Comlaints commission then to Vancouver City Police to lodge a formal complaint againist the RCMP for not and i mean not effectivly investigate this matter. I would advise that every shareholder in canada go to there Public Complaints Commission in each province with exactly what Gurvis has based his complaint on then go to either the Provincial Police of there province and lodge an similiar complaint againist the RCMP and have them investigate same or to the biggest city force in whatever Province they are in to lodge the complaint.
There is no way the RCMP is going to full speed ahead with a complaint this big or political they will stonewall as much as they can to investigate same for a couple of months then state that it is out of there hands and advise you to go to another Section to lodge the complaint or go to your local MLA which will then stonewall you
Everyone that is a shareholder in Canada has to do this and depending what is said or done then take everything including what the RCMP or Local Police says to all the provincal Papers.
The people of Canada are fed up with the Government and tired of beening treated as chit and then due to the last few incidents in the last few years with the RCMP the canadian people are fed up with the RCMP
I appreciate what most of you are doing and wishing the best and hopefully it is all over with by middle of next week but if not the shareholders of Canada in the cmkx saga should go the above noted route just as long as Al Hodges agrees with same
and keep up the pressure because I can tell you now that this is going to take the pressure of the majority of Canadians to tell the Police Forces,Government and the brokerage firms that you screw with us you are not going to have enough time in the day to get any other work done then the faithful shareholders of cmkx can state to them that you think you got an problem now you don't know chit
God Bless everyone in this on going saga
This next post should be require reading for the Xers, although jimmy will ignore it.
DiamondsR4ever
Interesting read
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Found this online...
Four or five years ago my son-in-law introduced me to a penny stock he thought I should invest in. After looking at I thought he was crazy, but I had never owned a million shares of any stock and thought the certificate would make an interesting framed conversation piece.
I am by no means a financial expert, but I do have some opinions and non-partisan thoughts on this subject.
CMKM Diamonds (CMKX) has got to be one of the most interesting securities in history.
Apparently there are some 45,000 shareholders who, in the last six years, have purchased large blocks of shares in hopes of an astronomical return on investment (roi).
In no way is this intended to put down any shareholders. Many are desperate and feel CMKX is their last chance.
There are numerous chat rooms where up to some 500 shareholders will be online at one time. They are hoping that the millions of shares that they purchased for around $.0001 per share will bring a return of some $5-$6 per share.
"Experts" divulge their "inside information" on a daily basis. Payment is always "right upon us." The problem is that it is always "next week." The problem is that very few of those in the rooms actually know anyone else in the rooms other than their presence in the rooms and possibly a few phone conversations. There is no way to check the credentials of any of the gurus because most use screen names rather than their real name. All one can do is either have faith in what they are saying or say nothing and disregard it. Some are obviously intelligently challenged as indicated by their posts. It could be possible that these gurus may have some kind of agenda. What kind, I have no idea.
A California attorney has taken on a class action suit in behalf of a specific group of six or seven shareholders and has included all others who have been "damaged." There has been no information forthcoming from the attorney's office, though rumors abound from many who claim to have info from the firm. It is interesting in that while this is probably one of the largest suits of its kind in history, it is not listed among the numerous suits the attorney uses on his website as examples - either ones in progress or ones completed.
One interesting thing happened in late 2009 and was reported by the "experts." A couple of the experts reported that they had spoken with the attorney and that money would be forthcoming as soon as the attorney received the "receipt of economic release." When asked what a receipt of economic release was the response was "notification that the taxes had been paid on the funds and they could be released." I asked a couple of attorney and accountant friends the definition of the term and they had never heard of it. It turns out the term was used several times in the suit the attorney had filed. I was unable to find the term by Goggling it, so I looked up the attorney and called him and asked the definition. It turns out that the term is a very new one and is defined as a notification acknowledging that something of value had been transferred from one entity to another entity. That "something of value" can be money, property, or anything of value. I did not ask anything about CMKX because my interest was to get the definition of the term. I knew that since I was not one of the official plaintiffs he could not discuss those details with me.
The CMKM/CMKX offices are in Tyler, Texas and their attorney has also filed a suit(s). The difference between this suit and the one filed in California is that the shareholders are kept appraised of what is happened. Most recently Tyler won a suit against a number of defendants and was awarded a multi-million dollar judgment plus got all of the shares owned by the defendants cancelled. No news as to when or whether the judgment will be able to be collected.
Unlike most of the chat rooms I am familiar with, members of the various CMKX rooms have no interest in hearing anything except positive information. When someone attempts to give their thoughts or information they have come up with, if it is not something they want to hear, that person is called a "basher" or "disruptive" and often is bounced from the room.
From a personal standpoint, I am very interested in CMKX because over the years I have acquired a fair amount of stock in the company, but I am interested only in official PRs, or information I know comes from knowledgeable individuals who either have or have the resources to answer my questions. I would love a huge roi, but would be ecstatic with $.02 per share - a return of some 200 times my investment.
A case in point. There has been the rumor that there is a trust fund in the amount of $3.7trillion being held for distribution to CMKX shareholders. My question was that this is an incredible amount of money and if that were laying around in a trust somewhere, why has the media not jumped on it. All kinds or reasons have been given as to why it was kept quiet, but none of those reasons seemed reasonable to me. I decided to check myself.
Through my membership in the Rotary Club, I met the director of the Philadelphia Mint, the President of the Wharton School of Business, and the Director of the Philadelphia Federal Reserve when I made up a missed meeting at the Philadelphia Downtown Rotary Club.
I decided to contact them and ask several questions.
1. Could it be possible that somewhere there is a $3.7trillion trust held for CMKX members?
2. What could they tell me about CMKX or CMKM Diamonds?
3. If the details of CMKX and the naked shorting were to come out, how damaging would that be to our economy.
A couple of weeks later I got a response from two of their offices.
The answer to #1 was that the odds are close to zero that a trust in this amount of any kind is held in the US or anywhere else in the world. The largest holder of trusts in the US is the US Treasury and their total assets are only in the neighborhood of $2.5trillion.
The answer to #2 was that neither of the individuals had heard of CMKX or CMKM Diamonds. They did a little research and the only place they could find the company mentioned was in several lawsuits in the group of the many lawsuits by various shareholder groups. Neither apparently delved into where the lawsuits stood.
As for #3, one said he had no opinion and the other said that it would not help, but he did not feel it could be any more damaging than what little bit has already been reported. The media has done little reporting on it because it very complicated. Virtually no verifiable information is available. Few reporters or readers understand it, and the media doesn't consider it as "news." The government is working to require delivery of stock shares within the required time and they realize lack of enforcement has been their problem.
As far as the $3.7 trillion trust fund, those hopefuls do not understand the difference between a suit and money in hand. The attorney has filed a $3.7 trillion law suit. He has not collected $3.7 trillion that he can put in a trust. There may well be a few million or more that has been collected over time, but to expect that kind of a distribution is a pipe dream. Anyone can file a suit against anyone else for any amount of damages, but until the suit is settled, considering the full amount as being the amount paid, the amount of the suit means nothing.
A number of the CMKX chat room gurus do a lot of "do diligence" (DD) and that is fine, but when official information is almost impossible to come up with, all the DD does is to help that individual reason to a logical conclusion and that conclusion is nothing more than an opinion.
Another reason the media has not picked up on the CMKX question is that about the only verifiable CMKX specific things are the law suits and as soon as a knowledgeable financial reporter reads the suit he laughs and tosses it into the round file as frivolous. That will likely change if the suit actually gets before a jury, but until such time, those CMKX suits are grouped with the thousands of others the reporters consider as frivolous and forgotten unless the reporter needs something to fill a column and picks one to mention humorously.
A few really sad things are:
Many of these shareholders' first investment was CMKX. They have no idea how the market works and if CMKX does not pay off the amounts they are hoping for it will sour them on future investments. They do not realize that any investment carries with it risk and among the riskiest investments are the "Pink Sheets", one of which was CMKX. Just because one makes an investment in a security does not mean one is "owed" a return on that investment. Most feel they have been seriously damaged and are owed that huge return.
I have never understood just why anyone could think they were owed an roi on CMKX. Some bought the stock before the company was de-listed, but it appears many, if not most, bought after the company was de-listed. Financials have never, to my knowledge, been available, so there was nothing to justify investing in the company. Buyers were well aware of the naked shorting problem, and still invested in CMKX. Much like the "tulip frenzy" in the 17th century people who knew nothing about the marketing of tulips invested on the recommendation of others who knew nothing about the marketing of tulips.
The few who have made money on CMKX were those who were selling the shares.
Also, for the last 4-5 years I have been checking into several of the CMKX chat rooms regularly and without fail, find hundreds of the same people in the rooms - regardless of what time I check in. Many are complaining about how badly they need CMKX to pay them. If they only realized that were they to put that time into something productive, they might very well take care of their financial doldrums on their own.
But, it is possible that some of these are like me. I will launch the room, minimize it, listen to those who take the mike, and periodically look at the banner for any news and scroll through some of the comments, Occasionally I will take the microphone, but never mention rumors. I actually spend only a few minutes daily really in the room. Most of the time I am working while listening to WBAP talk radio and one of the chat rooms in the background.
I've finally removed the PalTalk software from my computer and will no longer be checking into the rooms. I got blocked from the one I most often go to because the room owner got upset about something I said about a show dog she thought was beautiful. It may have been beautiful to her, but to me and several friends I showed the picture to, the dog looked like a freak - certainly no dog we would want as a pet. But, I guess poodle lovers are different. cest la vie. My WBAP talk shows will no longer be interrupted any longer and when, and if, something ever happens with CMKX, someone will let me know.
There have been reports that several shareholders have had heart attacks brought on by reports in the rooms concerning CMKX. If true, I find that incredible. They simply do not understand that their investment in CMKX is nothing more than a highly speculative investment. There is little, if anything, a shareholder or group of shareholders can do other than wait to see if there is an ROI.
If CMKX ends up paying a really nice roi, will I have egg on my face? I do not believe so. I will be happy, but that has nothing to do with what I have said above. Regardless of the outcome, CMKX was far to risky for most investors. The market is an excellent way to build a nice nest egg, but for most who are not knowledgeable about the market, the best choice for investment would be solid growth mutual funds that have a good history and are well managed, and re-invest the earnings. Over the years, 5-10% of your earnings invested this way will reap a tidy nest egg upon retirement.
When you invest in the pinks or other highly speculative instruments, you should look at that money the same way you do when you go to the casinos. Only invest what you can afford to lose.
Cy Stapleton - cy@hotlinecy.com - Box 151107, Lufkin, TX 75915-1107 - (936) 676-6375
The best was when he threatened Jeff Andle, then realized Andle was like 6'6" 300 pounds and psycho looking.
Gosh! The good olds. Jeff always told everyone he competed in martial arts regularly, but Treff never believed him until he had proof.
Tref never threatened him again.
Too funny!
Treff would posts that he had the body of a muscular greek olympian god and would threaten people. Turns out the real threat would be if he sat on people and squash them to death like pancakes.
And he only filed, served him to prove a point.
All Greg had to do was countersue, subpoena Allan's ISP, and turn his info over to Lawrence West at the time.
Yeap! He did a bad thing caving into Treff.
all the letters to Cox and the SEC. Just blather
Can you imagine how amusing their files on him are? They go back probably to 1999/2000(?).
These are great posts to understand how this professional lawyer reacts with people. I do believe this is not how a lawyer acts in the real world
Hilarious! Imagine being a shareholder and having Treff and Slurp a.k.a. Ed Thompson, all messed up and calling you in the middle of the night with that crap.
Believe it or not THAT was the beginning of Treff toning it down a notch because he was posting as the ECNI attorney now. If you go back a bit his posts are much more vicious and vile. He would post a message which would be deleted by RB quickly. He would whine that evil bashers were after him and didn't want his posts read. His post were nothing but filthy trash with rants of bible thumping thrown in about how Jesus loves him, or whatever.
ragingbullwinkel
lizdrucker
Janiceshell
star.the.wonder..pup.
scion
goprules0
OMG That is just a handful of a who's-who's list of posters that got under Treff's thin skin. A short post of two sentences could send him into a tirade of his favorite subjects.....porn with a touch of bible thumping.
you write the SEC all you want... it has been tried already.. and it has failed...
disbarred California lawyer, was found naked in the little boy's bathroom, dressed in a cute little pink paralegal's dress, with a pair of little boy's panties worn on his head like a hat, was pleasing himself in an innatural state, last week.
Greenstain, when later questioned about the incident leaned over into the to reporter's ear and simply said, "Feltch me! I am an old fart who thought he was a lawyer once and now is a paid basher who loves taking it in the keester really rough. Can you help me out?"
Karma?????
very_tired15: Another thing Dream, if I were found involved in filing a lawsuit that was not founded in real evidence, I could face disciplinaty proceedings from the State Bar, as well as being sued. I have not only put $$ up front, but I have the potential of a license at stake - one that caused me years of training and is the lifeline for my family to put food ont he table.
He only threatens to sue; he never actually does it
Janice, you couldn't be more wrong. He went after Greg Williams and the dummy caved into Treff who boasted about it on RB at every opportunity.
And Treff was itching to file a lawsuit against SEC employees, with or without Hodges. He had no problems agreeing to Hodges request, even though he now claims he went blindly into the lawsuit without any evidence of his own, imo.
It is my intention to file suit against your agency, and all individuals personally responsible
From: IBAFT (Rep: 0) Date: 07/21/2008 14:29
Forum: Cmkm Diamonds Inc - Msg #170 No Thread (Rec: 0)
A RECENT LETTER TO CHRISTOPHER COX:
July 21, 2008
Christopher Cox, Chairman
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
c/o General Counsel’s Office
100 F. Street, NE
Washington, DC 20549
Ph: 202-551-5100 / Fax: 202-772-9260
Dear Mr. Cox,
I am writing you in reference to noted violations of my right to the freedom of speech under the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, that your agency has engaged in on repeated occasions. It is my intention to file suit against your agency, and all individuals personally responsible, if these violations of my rights are not immediately addressed. The basis for my claims are as follows:
In the last month, your agency reopened comments on REGSHO on your website. On numerous occasions, I have attempted to post comments on your REGSHO Comments Board, and although one comment was initially posted, it was thereafter removed and all my subsequent posts were excluded.
As stated, your agency is a quasi-governmental corporation, fully funded by the taxpayers. Therefore, you are obligated to abide by the same constitutional restrictions that all other governmental agencies must comply. Clearly, the contents of my posts were words that your agency and its’ Wall Street allies did not want to hear. I have pointed out obvious corruption within your agency and its’ true loyalties, not to the people of the United States, but to enemies of freedom and of this nation who have been stealing on Wall Street for decades with reckless abandon.
I will wait 72 hours for this matter to be corrected. I expect all of my former letters to be immediately re-posted on the comments website. If I do not see them within the stated time, I will proceed with commencing litigation against your agency, and more importantly, I will uncover which individuals were involved and include them personally in the lawsuit.
A point to keep in mind for all your agency employees is that WE, THE TAXPAYERS, ARE YOUR EMPLOYERS, NOT YOUR SERVANTS. Unfortunately, your agency has found it fit to betray the people of this nation by protecting Wall Street criminals and their interests over the people, evidenced by our state of massive financial failure and worse, when some have the insights to address the truth of the matter, your agency acts with a blatant disregard for the Constitution and tries to silence them. I assure you, this criminality will not stand unchallenged.
I anticipate an immediate response from your agency on this matter.
Very truly yours,
Allan F. Treffry, Esq.
Cluny supposedly put a lot more money into BMCS since the last RS
sheesh Who would trust a penny stock CEO known for phasing out shareholders?
A week or so ago he told McTurdy that Houser had Wells Fargo "on the run."
Ooooh, little penny stock CEO has Wells Fargo's team of litigators "on the run". In what alternative universe is this happening in? lol
Did you happen to catch this one? Seems McTurdy helped Treff get into this mess of a lawsuit while McTurdy was in awe of the all you can eat buffet and stuffing his face.
very_tired15: I had spokento AH a few times. Don McCurdy set up a dinner with AH and at that dinner, I said I would do anything I could to help us get paid. He spoke of a lawsuit and I said I would be willing to help in any way possible. He then told me he needed me as a plaintiff.
Salty is going to lose a lot more money in BMCS. The guy is a total buffoon
It could be too late for Salty on the BMCS front. Thanks to Houser he was probably reversed chit to nothing, but blames NSS for his demise on BMCS.
If it is true that Salty is a FFGO shareholder that is where his next big loss will be. How nice of him to put his money into penny stocks, and then expect the taxpayers to bail him out by filing for bankruptcy.
More strange stuff.....
4profit
Re: MP3 Saltydog Quits New 1010 Claims
« Reply #2 Yesterday at 6:51pm »
First few mins (around 6 mins into) he says something about 6 claims back from Diamond Office Works, 6 claims added to 101047025 in Sharon's Halldorson's name. Emerson's daughter & 2 other claims.
Hmm, 8 claims, the 6 zinc & 2 diamond claims Emerson sold? The ones not included in the 1087 claims, making it really 1079 claims Pedro posted about?
4profit
Re: MP3 Saltydog Quits New 1010 Claims
« Reply #4 Yesterday at 7:38pm »
If this is true, now i see why Treff was after claim info and why Find Diamonds, driller in 3 way contract with Emerson & Tyler, pulled the stunt he did in paltalk & on 86 board. i believe Salty was in a conference call with the driller, Treff last year, have to check notes.
4profit
Re: MP3 Saltydog Quits New 1010 Claims
« Reply #11 Yesterday at 8:43pm »
If Emerson could have gotten rid of Tyler......it would all belong to him. Remember hndtohnd's convo with Emerson saying, he'd "like to get with" shareholders?
go2guy
Re: MP3 Saltydog Quits New 1010 Claims
« Reply #13 Yesterday at 9:23pm »
IMHO, this is like a revolving scheme
1,) Emerson holds the claimd in Saskatchewan Ltd 1010
2.) Emerson Leases the claims to Company X with the provision that Emerson's company is the operator of the claims.
3.) Emerson includes in the contract that a large dollar figure be spent annually by Company X to improve the claims
4.) Emerson does unauthorized drilling in a maner that is not in accordance with proceedures and bills Company X for the drilling.
Sooner or later Emerson has poked unauthorized holes all over hell and Company X can't afford to put up with his bullshit...Then Comany Y comes along...
ce560
Re: MP3 Saltydog Quits New 1010 Claims
« Reply #12 Yesterday at 8:53pm »
Yesterday at 8:43pm, 4profit wrote:
If Emerson could have gotten rid of Tyler......it would all belong to him. Remember hndtohnd's convo with Emerson saying, he'd "like to get with" shareholders?
so what do you think would have happened to the lawsuits and shareholders if Emerson could have gotten rid of Tyler iyo?
4profit
Re: MP3 Saltydog Quits New 1010 Claims
« Reply #14 Yesterday at 9:50pm »
Ce560......i feel a long post coming on about what Did happen lol
We would have been screwed to answer your question imo He might be a nice guy on a fishing trip, but in business, he's cut throat...don't believe me? Ask Entourage
Maybe Salty is just pulling a leverage to see the proof or maybe they'll disband and it's over.
very_tired15: Another thing Dream, if I were found involved in filing a lawsuit that was not founded in real evidence, I could face disciplinaty proceedings from the State Bar, as well as being sued. I have not only put $$ up front, but I have the potential of a license at stake - one that caused me years of training and is the lifeline for my family to put food ont he table.
A very scared and stupid lawyer, who is trying once again to desperately place the blame on other plaintiffs for their statements in Paltalk, while avoiding his own conduct.
And he's supposed to be a lawyer??
very_tired15: The update is a complete frustration to me
very_tired15: Deli is a part of this scenario... I promise you. Deli is a good guy in the end.. you will all see
very_tired15: If Deli was not acting as a part of the plan, why did the SEC not simply get an injunction against him to stop him from selling shares? No, the entire SEC action against him was to isolate Deli so nobody tried to duplicate him.
very_tired15: If IBM made a deal with these banks to allow them to use our money after the money was paid, then we need to be told and given a firm date when the usage will be over. This BS about global settlements is getting too much. I am forever fed up with hearing the names Poof and Casper
very_tired15: I am sorry if I seem negative or upset, but I have my own personal battles to deal with in this stock that I never discuss publically
very_tired15: My frustration Ronnie is on several levels, even those beyond what most sh would know...
very_tired15: Urban's Warrior, thank you for your kind support, but I see certain things that I can not always share that make me even more frustrated
very_tired15: Fraction, I am working on it. I do not want to cause a flare of emotion one way or the other. In fact, the frustration seemed to be in the room when I got here. However, I am extremely frustrated about certain issues and I am running out of steam. I have tried to resolve them and they are not getting resolved
very_tired15: Much of the same frustrations you already have Cutglass. Just imagine your same frustrations but at a little deeper level (on much of the same issues you already feel frustrated about).
very_tired15: billionaire, if the President is involved and unjustly holding us up, then we should name him as a defendant in this lawsuit
very_tired15: I want to know EXACTLY who has our money, who is the trustee, who has been collecting interest and see all the agreements which govern why our money would be tied to the global settlements.
very_tired15: I have not seen the evidence in this case
very_tired15: The only evidence I have which gave me a reasonable basis to believe that money is there is the written statement by Sheila and her secretary that Hakala made the statement in July of '09. I did not go to Al because of my license, I went as a plaintiff who demanded to see evidence and he showed me next to nothing
very_tired15: Gosh, I paid $10K.. Salty, Sheila, Reece, Nelson and Dave, all together, paid 2K
very_tired15: Hearsay is adequate for the purpose of establishing probable cause to have a belief that a lawsuit has a basis to be filed
very_tired15: I have kept a positive outlook because I try to focus on what positive things that I can. However, today's update is frustrating.. I could pretend I am excited about it, but I am not
very_tired15: I had spokento AH a few times. Don McCurdy set up a dinner with AH and at that dinner, I said I would do anything I could to help us get paid. He spoke of a lawsuit and I said I would be willing to help in any way possible. He then told me he needed me as a plaintiff.
very_tired15: I am not aware of anyone under a NDA
very_tired15: I was the first one to make contact
very_tired15: What I refuse to comprehend is the fact the banks or the governemnt are using our money, but they could not even give out .05 or.10 and keep to use the rest? All parties could have been well served. Instead, we get the shaft.
very_tired15: instead, hundreds of shareholders are suffering, losing homes, divorcing 'cause of financial stress, cars repo'd, sick, dying, etc... it is criminal what these MFs are doing
very_tired15: There may be next to nothing or AH may be under NDA.. I am not certain which, but believe the latter.
very_tired15: The plaintiffs speaking on these boards as they have is something I FIRMLY disagree with. It is different to discuss ideas and opinions, but giving dates and other specifics are taking the sh on a rollercoaster ride and I don't like it
coachjack12: Allan is ER a real term,cmon...
very_tired15: I hear you coach.. I have serious doubts
very_tired15: Well, I have asked the plaintiffs to stop speaking on the boards (I wrote 4 letters).. but they persist.. so I said the hell with it. I am going to start letting loose on these boards.
very_tired15: I even threatened to withdraw if the giving of dates did not stop. It serves nobody's interest.. but to hell with it..
very_tired15: Ric, I do not know if the Global Settlements are real or not. I could more easily accept it if I were presented evidence in writing that we are tied into it. I have not and in fact, I know AH only recently even communicated for the first time with Mike Cotrell. It makes no sense to me that we are attached to this global settlements
very_tired15: I bought some from DEli, but had most of my shares before we stopped trading
very_tired15: Ishould say that the global; settlements could very well be real - if we are attached to it, that is the question
very_tired15: I tell you all what I am REALLY getting disgusted with - the promised dates and sharing info with family and friends and by this time - with so many missed dates, they all thinking I am a lunatic...
very_tired15: all that is requirtede Hoochie, is for AH and the SEC to file their docs.. no hearing required
very_tired15: I firmly believe that the identity of the trustee is wellknown. Additionally, the trustee should be named in the lawsuit so the court can get control and jurisdiction over him so he can be ordered to release the money
very_tired15: Deli is on the good side - I would bet everything I have on it
very_tired15: GOTDIAMONDS, think about it. If the SEC was REALLY suing him, and they wanted him to stop, then they would have sought and reveived a simple order from the court stopping him.
very_tired15: The question remains, "how the "f" do we get the release our money?"
very_tired15: The lawsuit must be amended.. parties must be added...
very_tired15: Beiung jkept in the dark is bs.. if the bad guys are the ones who had the team sign an NDA, then they need to go to court and be relieved of those duties becvause the bad guys are blocking the distribution
very_tired15: dream, I appreciate what you are saying, but I am a plaintiff and I stil don't know anything of what is going on.. that is very tough for me.. especially since the role of a plaintiff is to know the basis for which he is suing
CMKX-baby: is the only proof we have the sworn statement by shelia?
CMKX-baby: regarding alledged convo with hakala
cutglass_1: thats right alan
*** Muddypawz has left the room ***
very_tired15: exactly CMKX-baby.. that is all I have
very_tired15: Al showed me a witness list, but of course, I never got to interview them to know what they plan to say. I saw a couple written statements, but they were not under oath and I saw a stack ofpapers but I was not invited to look at them.
very_tired15: AS far as enough probable cause to file a lawsuit, Sheila and her secretary's written and sworn statements are adequate to file the lawsuit. However, there needs to be more as time goes on and I have not seen any of it.
very_tired15: I would hope tyhat Mr. Maheu is with us.. but I have no confirmation
very_tired15: but Dream, what is being said makes little sense to me... for example, global settlements. dream, whether he should have evidence if he put it in the lawsuit or not, I am a plaintiff. I am legally entitled to know. It is extremely frustrating...
very_tired15: Another thing Dream, if I were found involved in filing a lawsuit that was not founded in real evidence, I could face disciplinaty proceedings from the State Bar, as well as being sued. I have not only put $$ up front, but I have the potential of a license at stake - one that caused me years of training and is the lifeline for my family to put food ont he table.
very_tired15: ric147, I asked the plaintiffs to remain quiet.. I even threatened to withdraw if the plaintiffs kept giving dates and times as they did.. they never stopped.. so if they can speak, I can speak...
very_tired15: Then, to see the plaintiffs come out on these boards and mislead the SH base as they do - and no controls put on them - I get more than very concerned
very_tired15: So, if the plaintiffs can continue to come out and talk details, why should I restrain myself?
very_tired15: I believe that there is money there and that Maheu collected it. However, I want to know who has it now, who is collecting interest on it, and why is it connected to these global settlements? Who ordered it so connected? Where is the written documentation?
very_tired15: You want to know why I am speaking my mind? I am not saying that there is no money and that we will not get paid. I want to be given some solid answers so I can plan my life. That is not an unfair request
very_tired15: No, I won't get it here. I initially wanted to come in and see how people were handling the update, which I find frustrating
very_tired15: We nedd to demand the identity of the trustee. Sheila has already indicated that she has spoken to him
find out sho the trustee is - include themin the lawsuit - find out who has kept our money form us - sue them and proceed
It was always questionable to me why the trustee was never part of the lawsuit as a plaintiff. One of many aspects that was cause for red flags.
very_tired15: AS far as enough probable cause to file a lawsuit, Sheila and her secretary's written and sworn statements are adequate to file the lawsuit. However, there needs to be more as time goes on and I have not seen any of it.
So now there is no mystery as to why Sheila became a plaintiff.
Squiddy on Paltalk. What IS this unsavory thing he's got for Deli?
He is the same way with jmar who has his head up Urban's butt.
very_tired15: YOu want to know where our money is? Follow the interest.
very_tired15: The RTussian mob has been running Walll Street for 15 years at least
very_tired15: with the help fo the traitors within the USA
very_tired15: Bush-CLinton comes to mind
deedee-33: Allen, I thought there was more than one mob running wall street?
very_tired15: There is, but the Russians took it up to a higher level.. still, many of them worked in convert with one another
ocean04: very_tired, anything new from Al?
very_tired15: same old same old
very_tired15: I have renamed Al from being Al Hodges to Al Dodges... because he dodges my questions...
very_tired15: He is working on something he can not tell me details.. so I either trust the man or give up on the lack of details
very_tired15: worse off.. I am in the same boat of ignorance but I paid for it!
very_tired15: If there are more than one lawyers, I am not aware of their identities
very_tired15: We need to get our hands on the trustee and force him by injunction to tell us who is getting the interest... then we go after those who have our money.
very_tired15: Follow the interest trail and you will find who has our money.
very_tired15: I do not believe that this interenational settlement issue has squat to do with us
very_tired15: I believe Maheu got cooperation from certain banks and he promised in return that we would help them recapitalize. If they did not get to use our money, the banks might fail and us getting paid would be a worthless event for we might lost the money.
very_tired15: Money - by law - should be collecting interest. So, who is getting our interest right now? That is the answer that needs immediate answering.
very_tired15: We nedd to demand the identity of the trustee. Sheila has already indicated that she has spoken to him
very_tired15: Sheila knows who the trustee is.. she needs to release the information and we can force the t'tee to give the info as to where our money is... plain and simple
very_tired15: I was not saying that to rag Sheila, but to make a point that we can do somewthing to push the issue
very_tired15: THe approach is simple - find out sho the trustee is - include themin the lawsuit - find out who has kept our money form us - sue them and proceed
very_tired15: Perhaps coach.. but I am getting to the point I do not care. We need to get paid and the rest of all this bullshi* about delays and settlements is just that - bullshi*
very_tired15: I completely appreciate the fact that the few banks that worked with Maheu needed our money to recapitalize, but what pisses me off beyond measure is that the powers that be chose the course of not giving us a relief payment. What would it have taken for us to get .00 or .10 for a couple years and then the bulk of the payment
very_tired15: .05 or .10
very_tired15: In 1938, the Rockefeller and Morgan scumbag elites pulled a fast one on America and did a phychological experiment with the War of the Worlds scam on the radio. There are times I believe that these illuminati degenerates are playing with us on this stock for similar reasons.
very_tired15: You guys needc to read the books by a guy names Sutton. "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" and Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler" - it shows that Wall Street elites funded the rise of Russian COmmunism and Hitler's Germany to bing in their new world order...
very_tired15: Wall Street elites are MF traitors to freedom
very_tired15: Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler: http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/
very_tired15: Wall Street and the Bolshevok Revolution: http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/
very_tired15: KNow your enemy folks - the real one.
very_tired15: There was only one time in recorded history that Jesus Christ took to violence. He was in the Temple and the people he rose up against was the Money Cangers.
very_tired15: hammer and whiskey are on order!
very_tired15: I have considered the psychological experiment, but I have concluded that the sting was real. Still, there mught be a dual purpose.
very_tired15: I don't know Coach. I have asked several times. AH tells me he does not know the identity of the T'tee, but apparently, Sheila has spoken to him on the phone. Go figure. Now you know why I need a hammer and whiskey.
very_tired15: gotta run.. everyone be well and remember... JMAR for President!
But all the facts are there in the DOJ's superseding indictment
Now Janice, you know those indictments are fake. Just ask jimmy.
Oh my! Look who wolfbela got all upset. GO WOLFBELA GO! lol
Re: Federal Court Motion Submitted....
« Reply #25 Today at 9:18pm »
Wolfbela,
If you believe, then leave Attorney Hodges to finish what he has devoted his time, his assets, his firm, his commitment to get the funds released to the Shareholders.
If you don't believe, then leave Attorney Hodges to finish what he has devoted his time, his assets, his firm, his commitment to get the funds released to the Shareholders.
Your actions will divert Attorney Hodges, his devoted time, his assets, his firm, his commitment to get the funds released to the Shareholders to answering lawsuits from those who keep badgering Attorney Hodges to make public information which would compromise and jeopardize every strategy to get the job done.
I understand the frustration, but I don't understand the intentional 'friendly fire'. Please be the voice of reason and not the reason...
Thank you,
BHollenegg
Re: BHollenegg Updates (Updated July 27)
« Reply #32 on Jul 31, 2010, 9:11am »
July 31, 2010
Please stay calm
It is not over until the Shareholders are paid. Attorney Hodges is the one who knows what is going on...Attorney Hodges is the one we need to wait to hear from. Please allow Attorney Hodges time to do what needs to be accomplished.
Thank you,
BHollenegg
I am not all convinced that AlanC is not a part of these scams
He's one character I could never figure out but, I'm taking Janice's explanation into consideration.
"Because he's insane?"
Lots of "funny" things went on with him and a guy aliased "Hooch" in the PCBM scam
Yeap. BTW, Hooch has been showing up in PalTalk chats with squid.
Some will say they contacted IBM via a séance and he will tell them where the play book is
Bring back the infamous CMKX psychic, or the PCBM/SCRI dowser! There was also the guy who interpret dreams. Boy they were all dead wrong. lol
No kidding, some of the Xers think Maheu faked his death. They believe Maheu is Al's mystery witness and that's why Al can't reveal some of his info.
So maybe he's as krazy as all the others. That seems to me likely
Perhaps. If he is, Krazy Al and the gurus drove him mad.
But I think he is frustrated and wants the truth to be known whatever it is. That's why I hope they aren't so jaded about the Gov and consider filing FOIA requests instead of taking these matters into the courts where they may not belong. They may just be wasting more time without any results.
IMO, the years of lies are damaging and need be put to rest. The shareholders who have any sanity remaining need to move on and look forward to the DOJ prosecuting the indicted insiders.
I can't WAIT for the Sirius thing
Of course we can't have a Dateline show. Oh Nooooo. Instead we get a fourth rate story on par with Russia Today.
many of the FFGO idiots are buying into his whole NSS argument
Something is seriously wrong with that boy. For years he has been touting the most notorious penny stock scams promoting the NSS theory. The scams peter out after the pump and dump, he walks away and moves on to the next penny stock that gets the bejesus pump out of it. Later it is discover the insiders dumped into the pumps.
How can the lead cheerleader of these scams not catch on that the insiders are crooked? AND if you read his posts he never seems to sell anything he's touting. If he is constantly losing money on scams, why is he still buying them?
The judge has to agree that you have a right to the information you want
He could make a case that he is a party to the trust that Hodges is alleging. Other than that......
He would, for example, get to see all the discovery material
This is where I get lost. There is no discovery material at this time, and Hodges hasn't filed any documented proof of a trust etc.. How can Hodges turn over evidence that has never been officially entered? So maybe he is jumping the gun with this motion.
He'd just get copies of what the plantiffs and the defendants had access to.
But we're lead to believe the plaintiffs are in the dark, and haven't seen any of Hodges evidence. Which would raise an interesting issue about the plaintiffs being selected to be plaintiffs. This lawsuit is so weird.
Given the Episode of the Surreptitious Recording, I rather doubt that Judge Selna would sign off on it
Wait till the Sirius news crap hit the airwaves! Judge Selna is indeed going to get a Xer education!
I pointed it out to him, but he didn't reply
AlanC has a policy not to reply to basher logic. It ruins his scam plam.
He posted that bs on the FFGO board incessantly, till the admins put him on a posting restriction.
LMAO Even the admins think AlanC's touting is over the top? Hilarious!!!!!
Notice how everyone (without exception) who is on a pink sheet sucker list, eventually posts this:
"we will be part of a historic event that will ultimatly turn our markets upside down"
AlanC has said that about PCBM, CMKX, FFGO and every single scam he has touted (he has touted MANY scams). I believe he has copyrights on that saying. LOL
You can't just "file a motion in Federal court". His ONLY possibility would be to file an amicus brief in, say, Krazy Al's case
Well, it didn't make any sense to me about his "motion". It seemed rather complicated. If he filed an amicus brief would he at least have to wait till after Hodges filed the amended complaint, the SEC answers back, and then the Judge gives his final decision?
doubt he'd have the balls to do that in the SEC or DOJ actions
Again I'm confused. If he wants info from the Gov agencies wouldn't the proper action be to file a FOIA request?
I just lost 50 IQ Points
Speaking of, where has IQ1 been lately?
I could not afford to lose so many
Sorry! At least you're not losing your mind like Krazy gus is.
LOL _ Chas on FFGO
You think that's funny? Well, THIS is a riot!
So how many plaintiffs are FFGO shareholders also, and why according to Treff did Al say there would be follow up info that involved FFGO? FFGO has nothing to do with CMKX! sheesh....
jboydwv
what say AlanC, Salty, Sheila and crew now??? FFGO still have Maheu's fingerprints all over it??.....when will we ever ever EVER get somewhere with this whole circus????!!!!!
very_tired15: He said that there may be follow-up info on ffgo tomorrow.. (or so he heard).. also saidhe was not going to file the First Amended Complaint yet.. it is a hammer not yet to be played
ALANC: I believe today at 4:10 we will be part of a historic event that will ultimatly turn our markets upside down. We are going to see wealthy folks become poor and poor folks become wealthy. Today at 4:10 the gauntlet is thrown down that will change forever the way Wall Street operates and we, those of us who own shares will have helped to cause these changes. We will have many folks to thank and we also will have the reponsibility to help those who have less in the future. Paying it forward will need to become routine for us. Lots of good honest compassionate folks are shareholders and I believe the great majority will do the right thing when the time comes. Go FFGO!!!
(2:01 PM) very_tired15: Hey, just so everyone is aware, AlanC is a man named Alan Cameron. He is a very honorable man and I do not believe that he would put information out there that he was not reasonably comfortable in knowing it was true.
(2:02 PM) very_tired15: THe fact AlanC spoke is very encouraging to me.
I have an idea! Let's collect a whole bunch of money saying we're gonna build a Maheu Monument!
If only Fat Frank had your brains. He comes up with the "Temple Now Project" while you have the brilliant idea of building a monument to a CMKX God.
Make it a gold and diamond statue and you'll have the Xers flocking to PayPal like sheep buying into the hottest penny stock scam.
Doesn't a single one of them see how utterly idiotic all this is?
The entire wyatt Paltalk session was idiotic.
Now this is fascinating stuff. wolfbela is filing a motion to get information from both Hodges and the Gov. I'm not an attorney, but this seems like a complicated matter. I wonder why wolfbela went down this route instead of filing a FOIA with the Gov agencies?
Gus's approach is pure nonsense and the Hodges lawsuit is roadkill, imo. This action wolfbela is taken is the one to watch now. I hope he gets some answers because this bizarre stuff has to come to an end, if just for the sake of the Xers sanity. Of course, there is a segment that will never accept the truth.
I talked to the general counsel at the Department of Homeland Security and they said I couldn't serve a subpoena on a director, individually.. It had to be done through the government agency..
wolfbela
Federal Court Motion Submitted....
« Thread Started Today at 1:31pm »
Shareholders,
The last six weeks, myself and another shareholder, who shall remain anonymous for now, have been working nonstop to create a motion to file in Federal Court for the purpose of forcing transparency, honesty and closure to our situation. The motion has just been sent out.
I want to thank that shareholder for his hard, diligent work and without whom this filing could not have happened.
I have waited and waited, as all of you have, as each prediction, deadline, court hearing and line in the sand has come and gone. I finally said it is time to try and find solid answers.
My motion in Federal court seeks the ability to obtain these answers from all entities. I have put myself and my family's safety, well being and privacy on the line, because I feel, as does my family, that this is too important not to have some type of resolution that we can all live with, good or bad.
Many have contacted me and expressed support for this type of action. Down the road, if the judge approves my motion, which is not guaranteed, the service of the motion will be an opportunity for anyone interested to help out.
If the motion is granted, I will also be setting up a website where the motion, exhibits and any recovered evidence will be posted.
I was greatly disturbed to see that Attorney Hodges has the time to talk to ACCA, but the rest of the shareholders have to gravel at his feet to get any type of communication. I am sure that moderators and others on this board will not be happy with my actions, but should they choose to ban me, I will have someone come forward and supply to any interested shareholders, my website, so you can keep abreast of whatever updates we hopefully receive.
I can also be reached by email at cmkxjustice@yahoo.com.
I find this propaganda machine, that is constantly pouring forth the last few weeks, very troubling. It amounts to simple brainwashing, because for so long, people have been hoping and praying for these riches that are promised to them.
To continue to brainwash and deceive people at this level is akin to the propaganda machines used by horrific dictators and oppressive governments. It is beyond sick...
I am in full support of Gus Jarvis' actions and he knows that he can count on me to do whatever I can to help him facilitate success on his end.
If, by the grace of God, we do receive our just due here, and this comes to a timely and happy conclusion, I will withdraw my action, if granted, and like the rest of you, carry on with my life.
I thank all that have supported this endeavor and I will keep you updated.
Jerry ...WolfBela
wolfbela
I will post which Federal Court, if and when, the motion is approved.
I am not going after just one entity.. this is a whole encompassing effort. At the end of the day, if this is successful, we, the shareholders, will know what is actually going on..
And Manny, my friend, Al's case is over.. the plaintiffs themselves have said this...ACCA, the all-knowing, has said Al is not filing...
All I am saying is.. that hopefully soon... there will actually be a voice of reason, honesty, truth and transparency that can be heard... instead of ongoing pointless predictions, rumors and world BS....
To paraphrase, mine and Gus' line in the sand has been drawn..
WolfBela
Jaws and Crack,
It was put in the mail today.. It won't get there till Mon and then reviewed and assigned a number.. Then taken to the judge for approval. This is motion, not a lawsuit..
Please verse yourselves on the particulars of the process..
Trust me, you will see it soon enough..
And if I didn't even mention it, you wouldn't know about it anyway..
I mentioned it for the sake of the people that have been begging me to take action..
This will be my last comment till I hear from the court...
Do your homework, please...
WolfBela
Manny,
I'm not entitled to evidence that I should have as a shareholder.
I don't have a right to it.. What?? Only Al and the Plaintiffs.. I don't think so. My money went into this to. I don't think you are looking at this clearly.. I know you like Al and all, but I want to know what the hell is going on with my investment. Sorry if that irritates anyone..
Mr. Hodges has had ample opportunity to come forward and release statements to us.. I am not the one who said it was over.. Wyatt, the plaintiff said it the other night.. Please review the mp3.
You were at the court.. Judge said dismissed, pending refilling of briefs, but for all purposes it's done.. I talked to the general counsel at the Department of Homeland Security and they said I couldn't serve a subpoena on a director, individually.. It had to be done through the government agency.. So before we all get our shorts up in a bunch,
lets get the facts straight..
I'm actually doing this.. not sitting and being critical of someone who is walking the walk..If any of you other folks with all the answers want to take 5 minutes and try to do something to benefit our situation, I welcome it.
If those questioning the filing could read.. I said I sent it through the mail.. Not electronically filed.. hello????
What I should do is just share my information with the people that have been supportive of my actions, and I may just do that. Just like Al Hodges.....
It is pointless to banter with people who won't be reasonable.
I broke my word and came back to answer, but I won't do it again..
WolfBela
The latest from Krazy gus.
Here are some of gus's problems. He tells the Canadian authorities about Hodges lawsuit and the crimes allege in the lawsuit. Too bad the motion to dismiss was granted and the SEC included lack of evidence as one of the reasons for the MTD. Hodges has NEVER documented anything he has alleged. So why should the Canadians pay much attention to a case/evidence Hodges can't even prove himself?
When gus DEMANDS the authorities take him seriously about NSS at tdwaterhouse etc., and they ask him for information concerning his own allegedly shorted shares, gus tells them to basically piss off. Why? Because he has a certificate of shares that are NOT naked shorted. All gus has as evidence is mere hearsay by a California Attorney about an allege trust.
If gus wants the Canadian authorities to investigate he should DEMAND that HODGES turns his evidence over to the Canadians. If Hodges doesn't gus should come to the conclusion that Hodges is all hot air.
Here are some excerpts from gus's last 30 posts and a recent post where he is hooking up with that Richard Keane character. Should be entertaining
http://cmkxunofficial.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=gusjarvis
Well for me it has been time to put the authorities on the hot seat in canada, and the best part of Al's direct testimony is the fact he mentioned my personal broker in canada, tdwaterhouse. The fact they signed deals to stay out of jail and are a canadian company means my country signed their deals, that is a fact, and Al's testimony in court is evidence. That means my country allowed the perpetrators to go free but screwed thousands of canadians by not enforcing the deals they signed off on, and trust me I have them on this right now and will use it as leverage to get answers.
The commercial crimes division made it sound like they were going to honestly investigate my claims and our case.
The body told me to make a specific allegation against a specific individual. I put our evidence in with the threat that it was getting investigated if they didn't act immediately, they said they would. A day went by without a phone call back, then two, then I phoned and said I had enough waiting and I was moving on the compliant, then they moved me to someone who said he would investigate our claims and case.
Unfortunately they were prepared for what I am attempting and came back with we will investigate but you have to now mail in your information, then the officer said he would be away for august but would definitely open the case and do the initial investigation. This was emphasized to get around the investigation as when I file they will say the rcmp is doing their duty and agreeing to investigate. The officer emphasized again at the end of the call that he is willing to open the case, that gets him out of liability on his end, he thinks.
If you don't play the game by their rules to some degree I couldn't have even filed the complaint, it wouldn't be accepted as I tried to file it already. Now that I have done the process right I can file against this specific officer, the grounds will be that he is not investigating current allegations of crimes happening at this moment. He wanted my certs, what I paid for my shares, and direct documents of the crimes. I came back with it is way past trying to prove wrong doing on tdwaterhouse's part as they have already made deals with you, I said. Of course he came back with prove it and I said the proof is a phone call away, he refused to make the call and wanted to start right from scratch to do the investigation.
In the end, I told him not investigating the current allegations made by Al Hodges was unacceptable and that it was in fact his duty to investigate the crimes being committed against me and to be prepared that it has now moved to the next level to force that. He finished by saying I am not refusing to investigate your case, and that was it. I phoned my friend who is in the rcmp and he agreed it is their duty to investigate the current allegations now and that it is time to file the complaint officially.
gusjarvis
COALITION UPDATE AND COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST RCMP
« Result #8 Today at 9:31am »
I have sat back and watched things unfold, have done things off the boards, have been in contact with Richard Keane of stock shock, have dealt with several in the RCMP commercial crimes division, have watched Al's update with Pongo, Acca, now Portrush. We have seen a thousand lines in the sand, a thousand dates, and maybe this is the one, we will see.
I have asked Richard Keane to participate in a possible North American public inquiry into the counterfeiting of the stock market if this is not over imminently.
Things look promising possibly, but again we are stuck in the dark waiting for closure. It seemed every time we would make different moves there was the big hope it was over and each time we were disappointed. I personally hope I can just drop this and Al puts out an update that announces ER, but until we get a check I will push the issue.
I will not ask for support for this in a proactive way from the shareholders until Monday, if Monday comes and goes I hope everyone will participate in a full blitz of our information and demands, and join others who are talking off the boards about getting together to fight this. That would include other companies joining together to demand justice, not just cmkx. It is already in the works but will not go full steam ahead until after the weekend to give what Al is doing time to work out or not.
Al's latest updates will be forwarded to the public complaints commission to let them know there is possible closure in our case, but if that closure does not come I have asked for the authorities who have made the deals that are being broken to take over from Al and enforce the deals they made themselves. It is not right we have to have a lawyer to enforce deals made by our governments, they should have to be forced to do that.
I remain optimistic but proactive until we get a check, and a simple way we can all be proactive will be put out Monday if we are still in the dark, but for now the ball is already rolling and I have attached the public complaint that is for all CMKM Diamond Inc shareholders who are stuck in this sting operation.
This complaint especially goes out to those that died waiting for justice and their families, they deserved so much more out of our authorities.
Please login to download attachments.
Well, that's only what BONNEY says. What does he know?
umm..... Bonney is a former CIA agent that helped moved the Rothchild's money out of the U.S. and into Asia. He's pretty good with money. All according to what wyatt said.
Too bad that little modest house that Bonney lives in tells another story. These BS stories are unbelievable.
Q: So, ultimately we are waiting on the trusts that pays Cottrell for ER then we will hear something on CMKM, correct?
Wyatt: The way it works, Mike Cottrell is the last to be paid. Lindell Bonney is his Paymaster. So, if the last guy is to be paid, then we get paid. Al has never told me who our Paymaster is or who our Trustee is. He always refers back to Cottrell and Bonney. I think he keeps that information to himself so that we don't get those guys names out there and bombard them with telephone calls asking them questions too. The following is that if Cottrell has been paid and he has access then that means CMKX has been paid and our trustee has access.
Our money has been there since 2006. It has been sitting there. But, it's not contingent upon Cottrell being paid. We got swept into the global settlements. So when all the global settlements get paid, that is when we get paid. We're just using Cottrell as a gage. He is the last one to be paid, that means we've been paid.
Q: Acca also said there would not be an amendment to the lawsuit.
Wyatt: I don't know. We have to wait until Monday. If we are paid then no amendment. If no money, that will be Al's decision, Al's call if he is going to file it or if he is going to wait. Everything is based upon information he has been given. As far as Monday, there is no specific time zone. If come to the end of the day, if we don't have it, that's it.
Q: And if we are successful at the bank tomorrow, we could get ER, correct?
Wyatt: That is correct, Jacbert. I am sure Al has other sources than Bonney and Cottrell. That is just who he refers us to use. I can assure you of that.
Q: I Assume that if Bonney was successful today, seeing what time it is on the east coast, Al could already know tonight what is
Wyatt: They do all the transfers after banking hours due the the sheer volume of money and amount of money. Tomorrow is the earliest we could know if something is successful or not.
Q: Do you suppose perhaps if our accounts at the TA would show an amount when ER arrives?
Wyatt: No. Again, Economic Receipt is when the Trusteehas control of the money. Then it will take the trustee time to distribute it to all of our accounts. So, that is why once Al announces ER then the Trustee, Al believes, within 48 hrs. will make an announcement. In that announcement, maybe a package with instructions on how to collect your money or whatever. We just have to wait and see. We don't know what is going to happen after that. It is just that Economic Receipt means the Trustee has the money and then the Trustee is bound to distribute the funds immediately.
Q: Do you have any knowledge of packets being staged at a central location or possibly Post Office, UPS or some place like that--just waiting for the word to send them out?
Wyatt: No, Tiger I don't. It makes sense to me, it's logical that the Trustee can't hold the money for very long. He has to release it immediately. We have been wating for this money for 6 plus years. It would make sense to me that has taken place. The fact that we got a Transfer Agent and we were able to transfer shares tells me that they are doing house keeping. It seems logical and good business sense to me that they would, but as far as having knowledge of it actually being done, no.
Q: Do you think the Transfer Agent will have anything to do with tranfering the money or will they just be there to notify us, possibly, of what is taking place?
Wyatt: I really have no idea. I haven't really thought that far ahead. I was told that our Transfer Online, Inc was owned by Broadridge. I haven't been able to verify that myself. It is possible. I really am just focused on Economic Receipt.
Q: I think on the website, it says something about being owned by Broadridge.
Wyatt: They are a big company. You can even look at Transfer Online, Inc and see how many companies they service. They are a one-top shop. They can handle anything. And that is another thing. This is not going to be a dividend. This is a "distribution of assets". The way Al explained it to me is because it is the "winding up of the company and a distribution of its assets" that is why it will NOT be taxable.
Q: That is pleasant.
Q: That's kewl!
Q: Does anyone know what the standard distribution of (?) Anybody look into that?
Wyatt: That is my understanding. State or Federal.
Q: Thanks for clearing that up tonight.
Q: Can you verify one more time who the Trustee is?
Wyatt: I have no idea who the Trustee is.
Q: According to a document I read on the proboards, I believe it was a letter to The Honorable George Osborne of the UK. Mr. Hodges explains to him the situation and names him as the new Paymaster for replacing Lindell Bonney. Is there any truth to that or do you have an opinion on that or is it canceled.
Wyatt: He was asking to replace Bonney for Michael Cottrell, not for CMKX. He was not the Paymaster for CMKX, but for Michael Cottrell.
Q: Since Acca spoke with Al and he would not reveal any PPS, but I read somewhere where Al said to refer back to the complaint. Do you think it is going to be the same kind of PPS that was reported to us earlier--the big $6__?Do you think that is something we should think about or should we toss that away?
Wyatt: Well, that is what I am looking for. It's kind of hard to throw a number out there like that and then come back and tell people, 'oh no no no, we made a mistake'. That was a complaint--a legal document filed in Federal Court that basing it on 622 billion shares and 3.87 Trillion Dollars to distribute. That is a little over $6 per share. That is what I've got my eyes on.
Q: Could you go back over the part about musicman only getting 10% of the money, because he has been such an irritant over the last 6 yrs. of wanting to know where his money is?
Wyatt: They've been telling him where his money is. They have been telling him it is at the DTCC and in a couple of other Trusts. They know where his money is. It is up to him to go get it.
Q: Musicman, just go down there and put on your Lindell Bonney disguise and ask, "where's my money?"
Q: Thank you, Wyatt, for verifying Lindell Bonney as a real individual. Was he associated with Bank of America and that incident that happened down there with Cheney that was reported by World Reports? I would just ike to clear that up.
Wyatt: Can you repeat that, tokenjo?
Q: Lindell Bonney was with Bank of America, correct?
Wyatt: No, I don't think he was ever with BoA. He was former CIA guy. He was one of the guys who helped move the Rothschild's money out of the U.S. and into Asia. He is pretty good at the money stuff, but no, he was never with BoA. He has been at BoA to get this done a couple of times, but I don't think he was ever employed there.
Q: (in audible)
Wyatt: The whole thing about the facts is, this is in my opinion, based upon a conversation I had with Al while coming back to the courthouse that this was the "winding up of the company and the distribution of its assets" and therefore the legal distribution of assets that there would be no taxes. I even had a conversation with Al, probably back in February, where I offered to talk to Arnold Schwarzenegger to see if he could get some help for us in getting the money released. I played golf with him a few times and thought that if we are going to pay taxes with all of the money we have here and with all of the big shareholders in California, the taxes alone would bailout the state of California. Al told me then that there would be no taxes. So, based on conversations with Al, I do not believe there will be any taxes.
Q: Can you give us a round about figure, in your opinion, on how confident Al Hodges is in Economic Receipt in the near future?
Wyatt: He is very confident. Like I said, the money is at the bank. We have been here 25-50 times. We've been this close and something has always happened. So, please keep that in mind. It ain't over til it's over and they have access to it. The way Al explained it is when we started out, this thing was as big as his office. Now it is down to the size of a peep hole. It surrounded everybody; everybody seems to be on board; there is international pressure to get it done. So, it is a 50-50 shot. We just sit and hope it gets done in time.
Q: Wyatt, when you played golf with Arnold Schwarzenegger, did you let him win?
Wyatt: I didn't have to let him win. I don't play golf. I drive the golf cart, drink the beer and get everyone else a beer. I don't play golf well enough to let him win.
Q: Can you give any clarification of how we have been here 25 to 50 times. What is the actual thing that puts a snag in it every time. Is it some of the things that we have heard from World Reports that the President says, 'do not want to let it go' .. is it that type of thing or is it some other thing we have not really been told for sure what it is?
Wyatt: Every time it has been in the World Report, that is what happened and many times in between where we haven't been told. Or, that is, the shareholders haven't been told. It has been that everyone has put their hand in the cookie jar and stopped it. And again, it has never been the same thing twice. Always has been a little something different with twists and turns to it. They seem to think they have a handle on it and they are encouraged it is going to get done this time.
And that is something I cannot stress enough. Nobody has come out and denied that the money was there. Nobody said Al was full of malarkey or anything. Nothing. All they have tried to do is delay it, delay it, delay it. Nobody has denied that we are owed the money. Nobody denied that the money exists. They just don't want to give it up.
Q: The one thing that is different now, primarily is that there is a 3.87 Trillion lawsuit sitting in their doorstep if they don't do something this time. I hope that is enough hammer.
Wyatt: Well, that is just it. That is the leverage--putting this out all publicly. They don't want it. It is my opinion that is why we have seen Mary Shapiro and Christopher Cox wanted that new bill where the SEC won't have to cover settlements. Plus, they are covering their butt. If this was out in the mainstream media and people knew about it, the market would tank. They know they won't be able to keep it down forever.
Wyatt: Coach, I have no idea. That is Al's choice, Al's decision. Al tends to tell us things after the fact. He doesn't tell us his game plan, his thoughts or what could be next. He tells us after the fact.
Wyatt: As far as the interest, I am sure it is accruing and we're all going to get it. If you read Al's complaint, it is for 3.87 Trillion and counting.
Q: Do you think that 3.87 Trillion was including the interest?
Wyatt: Yes, I believe the original 3.78 Trillion is accruing interest. I am sure we will get paid it.
Q: Are we going to get all of the interest on the money that has been held up so far?
Wyatt: That is my opinion. Why wouldn't we? It is ours. Who else should it go to? It's our money. We wouldn't we be entitled to it?
Q: I appreciate all the comfort you are bringing shareholders.
Q: My question is this and yes, I appreciate all the help we can get because we are stressed from up and down and on and off that merry-go-round. But a Trust, I thought, doesn't gain any interest. I don't believe anybody pays the interest. If the Trust is in Bank of America, then BoA could say, 'okay, I have one trillion to loan out or I have one trillion plus 400 million on the books then people feel they could go for loans and pay interest and really they are lending air the way they naked short. So I don't see any real interest, but I could be way off.
Wyatt: Well, that's the thing. None of us know where this money is. We don't know for sure if it is held in a Trust. We don't know if somebody is using it or doing what with it. That is what we have been told. It is just my opinion that if there is interest being paid on the money, the interest should be paid to us.
Q: As long as they are paying for the use of it.
Q: How do you make money off the interest off of money that is not yours, then not pay interest or some of that interest to the account holder to whom it is in the name of?
Wyatt: Well, I think it is all irrelevant, or excuse me--relevant about the interest. 3.87 Trillion dollars is a phenomenal amount of money. It is a phenomenal ROI. It doesn't matter how much you own based on what you paid for it. It is an incredible ROI.
Q: Yeah Wyatt, it sure is. But it has been speculated that the interest has been gathered by the government for their own greed. I guess it is kind conflicting with what you are saying. I really want to believe your end. The greedy government here.
Wyatt: Let me ask you this. We have always heard that Maheu collected all of this money. Why would Maheu hand that money over to the crooked thieves in the government? Wouldn't he hold that money in his personal possession and put it into accounts where it could grow? We have been told he is not going to release money until the government is ready. Well, all the government has to do is go print theirs. So, I don't think the government is holding the money and making more money off of it. Just my thought. I think that the money Maheu collected is in a safe place and earning interest. The interest is probably funding this whole operation.
Q: We might as well get all this chit chat out of the way, because what is going to happen when you open your mail and there is a packet in there and at the top of the packet has a disclaimer on it that says you are under NDA for any discussion on any radio, television which would include paltalk, message boards, and things like that? You open the packet up and first thing you are going to see is your NDA and who is going to come into the room and talk about it? Nobody saying nothing. Game over.
Wyatt: I wouldn't worry about much of anything. Maybe pop into paltalk tomorrow and see if we get lucky for tomorrow. If not, take the weekend off and come back Monday morning and let's hope and pray something happens.
Q: If you are still in here Wyatt, thank you for coming up to the mic and sharing any thoughts you have. Thanks a lot. It really helps the shareholders out and that is really important. Thank you very much.
Q: Yes, absolutely it has been a real blessing to have you in the room tonight to answer some questions and shed some light on what's going on for those who aren't connected to Al and can get this information. Thanks a lot again.
Yeah, I read about FFGO today.
FFGO disappointed BIGTIME today, as expected
I thought wyatt said Bonney had nothing to do with CMKX?
Now Krazy Al is listening to FFGO rumors? sheesh
very_tired15: He said that there may be follow-up info on ffgo tomorrow.. (or so he heard).. also saidhe was not going to file the First Amended Complaint yet.. it is a hammer not yet to be played
(8:04 PM) very_tired15: I heard a recap 2nd hand
(8:04 PM) very_tired15: Al told me about 1/2 hour ago that he is hopeful for Monday...
(8:05 PM) cutglass_1: alan iyho you think monday is a go
(8:05 PM) very_tired15: Sure thing.. I oonly hope and pray that "hopeful" equates to it reallyhappenong.
(8:06 PM) caseco_1_1: if al has er allan, how long till we see cash? acca said he doestn know.
(8:06 PM) very_tired15: Well.. Al is not in control of when the money gets distributed (as far as I know).. thus, he is unable to be definitive...
(8:07 PM) very_tired15: He said that there may be follow-up info on ffgo tomorrow.. (or so he heard).. also saidhe was not going to file the First Amended Complaint yet.. it is a hammer not yet to be played
(8:08 PM) hoochie_7: A/H said he would only speak when 100% done.... done = cash in hand
(8:08 PM) very_tired15: I do not know if it will AH who speaks or the info comomg from elsewhere
(8:08 PM) very_tired15: He did not refile today
(8:08 PM) mach1cobra: Allan in your opinion is acca spot on?
(8:09 PM) very_tired15: Well, Acca did speak to AH today.. and much of what he said about Monday was true.. but I did not hear him talk
(8:10 PM) very_tired15: He just told me that he hoped it would be done Monday.. he seemed pretty much like usual.. unemotional.. but we did laugh about a couple things.. so I guess you could say he was ina good mood.. and he was receptive to talking to me.. in a generally good mood
(8:11 PM) rfexciter: Allen, any mention of PPS, please TIA
(8:11 PM) very_tired15: Al has never mentioned a PPS to me... he told me to look at the complaint
(8:11 PM) cutglass_1: alan what did you and mr hodges laugh about?
(8:12 PM) mach1cobra: Allan, I heard Acca say that once Al announces ER he is done, then what happens from there?
(8:12 PM) carverchick_2: allan so if i'm understanding..... once Al gets ER his job is done? We are then relying on the trustees to disburse our money?
(8:12 PM) very_tired15: I told him that Bonnie must have by now a destroyed liver and all of his hair pulled out... because if I were him and he were dealing with all the bs tossed at him, I would be drinking heavily and pulling my hair out one strand at a time.. and a couple other things
(8:14 PM) wizeguytrading: Allan, do we have a fair funds administrator yet?
(8:15 PM) very_tired15: don't know wizeguy
(8:18 PM) very_tired15: I would not be surprised if the TA converting over the last large block of shares might be part of the issue. I am just speculating, but the gift shares he gave away would requirea background check to avoid giving the free shares to the bad guys
(8:25 PM) very_tired15: I once asked AH if the trustee would have any reason to hold up the funds after he got receipt and he replied, "Hell No."
(8:31 PM) goober_54: Al: "This means that the “work” remaining to be finished will not consume more hours than can be accomplished within one day." Didn't say it would take that much work to get $$$ in our hands
(8:36 PM) very_tired15: AH said look to the complaint for the PPS
(8:33 PM) very_tired15: Yes, I spoke to AH after Acca spoke to him.
(8:53 PM) very_tired15: 639b shares into #.87T
(8:53 PM) very_tired15: 3.8
(8:53 PM) very_tired15: and I believe some of the shares were canceled since then
(8:54 PM) cutglass_1: so what do you arrive at alan>
(8:54 PM) vonzip: $6.0563
(8:57 PM) puffer_8: OK $6.06 or $6.22 take your pick
So now they're getting "apid" instead of "paid"?
Getting paid occurs on weekdays. "apid" only happens on weekends.