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- The TA has become gagged
He still holds his shares last I checked.
HNSS
Lots to talk about today!
HNSS
Back on the .003 to .003 run we saw more than 28MM in a day if I remember correctly.
28MM traded today was... $14k (roughly). This is two times the largest volume day since October 10,2011 when we traded 22.5MM shares (on news).
For someone who doesn't watch the stock everyday, yea, it could come across as dilution with just a quick glance. Dig a little deeper and you'll find a lot more going on. I don't think its dilution by the company, but, you have a point... maybe someone with restricted shares that just came available is just trying to dump them for extra cash.
Are you not "investigating" the company by reading the PR's it puts out? Of course you are. Don't condemn people, and a company, for relying on PRs, the quintessential form of communication between a company and the public, to get company information. Its how information is accessed at every level of the corporate world.
PS: I don't see any verifiable information from that link you posted. How do I know they are giving me the correct definition of "due diligence"?
If company PR's cannot be used as DD then why should it be OK for an iHub poster's opinions of ongoing company issues to be DD?
That sure doesn't make sense TOXX.
I can't wait to hear what they say! Thanks for all you do for us!
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Of course not, Olanda. Don't forget that some people on the boards don't actually WANT to find answers. They are only here to raise questions.
HNSS
Its already been tried multiple times. I myself tried to clear out the 3MM held by UBSS at the ask and after I did they almost immediately came back to the ask with ANOTHER 3MM shares. I have watched it happen 3 times now.
Citing mythical manipulation or mythical shorts gives no excitement
Process initiated could mean anything from, "We are thinking about filing patents" to "we just drop off the applications". It is certainly open for interpretation, but, as long as they are headed in the direction of filing patents I am satisfied with the wording of that PR. And yes, things need to be rolling along quickly if they want to launch by March 31, 2012.
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I would imagine we will see a PR once the patents are filed. Black has not said they have been filed in any past PR's, he has said they are working on a few things to add to the patents before filing.
HNSS
It's been 2 years now and the PPS is at a 52 week low.
It doesn't matter how professional your emails are. He sees what you post on daily on this board and THAT is why he doesn't answer your emails or calls.
Several of us on the board have had multiple responses from Black, and even though he cannot give us any information that is not publicly available, he has expressed to us how hard they are working to create a profitable and ever-growing company.
Take it or leave, but Black is not the bad guy here. Investor's impatience coupled with some severe market manipulation is why the price is down in the dumps. We all know that a business is not grown over night, it takes time. Maybe we all need a reality check on that so we can sit back and be patient while Black works to bring us a return on our investment. Either that or we could sell and move on to somewhere else.
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Wait, what is that thing called you are using? Oh yea... common sense!
Thanks for not being one of the fact twisters, buck!
HNSS
Companies that earn money and do not need to raise capital are impervious to a short attack,
My bad, you're on your "buy back the float or sell the company" kick....again. I forgot where we were in the rotation.
My mistake.
HNSS
What's a word for futile futility? That's what I think about trying to talk to some people on a mature level. I get it, no disclosure and no buying back of shares. I've known Black wasn't going to do this for MONTHS (as we all have) and you don't see me living in the past, asking daily where the disclosure is.
Time to step away from the computer and get some fresh air (something all of us probably need to do from time to time)
HNSS
M-I-C-R-O-F-I-L-L. You know this already, why keep asking?
HNSS
That doesn't disprove what I said...
The PR didn't say why the Board decided to not recommend the buyout. I just told you why.
Bottom line is the price decline is not entirely from the company's lack of news. There is an immense amount of manipulation going on from MM's and iHub posters (not to mention several other investor sites).
Black is the only one with the power to fight the manipulation and get the price back up. He has stated that the Microfill will be launched next quarter, so that is his plan to combat the shorts. Come out with a great product and make money. FYI, it probably doesn't do any good to constantly bad-mouth the man who is ultimately responsible for you either making, or losing, money. Just a thought...
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I read an interesting fact that showed a quote on the SEC website from a couple years ago.. It basically said that they are not going to look into NSS because it didn't exist!
Then, a year later, the website had a statement that said it will now be looking into NSS and all NSS done before this date will be "grandfathered in" because trying to clear all the FTD's could create a systemic problem to the markets (meaning there was so much NSS going on that if everyone had to cover, the system would become so volatile it could implode). (I am paraphrasing the above quotes)
Both those quotes were on the SEC website!
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That's not really how it happened...
The shareholders did not return the voting sheets with enough shares for him to make the sale. This told Black that WE thought it was worth more than a penny so he cancelled the sale the of the company.
This is fact straight from the company. The massive decline in share price is due to MM's shorting and manipulating the pps with no regard for the company or the people invested in it.
Even you, as a shareholder, should be infuriated at what is going on. Do you have L2? Do you understand what you are seeing when you look at it? It has nothing to do with people thinking the company is a scam and EVERYTHING to do with MM's trying to short HNSS into bankruptcy so that they don't have to cover any of their short positions. They have more money than we do so they are winning.
Only Black & HNSS are going to be able to get us out of this mess.
HNSS
I feel for you King. Unfortunately, the MM's do not give a damn about the individual investor. All they care about is making money and will use any tactics necessary to take your money and make it theirs.
If you have time, listen to this speech from Patrick Byrne, it is truly eye opening!
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There is so much collusion going on between hedge funds, market makers and the media in order for a small group of people to make money from a large pool of investors.
Good luck to all of us.
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The "scam" is not HNSS. The scam is the market makers and broker dealers that do not care about the company or the individual investors. They will do anything and everything in their power (whether legal or not) to take your money.
Do some research, its jaw dropping.
MM's are working their butts off trying to get HNSS down to the 3's. A 5008 share sale at .0004?? That's 2 bucks + commission...
I have a library of L2 screen shots from the past 2 weeks' trading in case we ever get investigated. There is no way the manner in which these trades occur is completely legal and above board.
HNSS
This is just getting ridiculous. UBSS has had 3MM shares at the ask (no matter where the ask is) for the past 2 weeks. I just watched all 3MM shares get bought from UBSS and not 5 seconds later they were BACK on the ask with ANOTHER 3MM shares.
No idea what is going on.
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If they are shorting then yes, they want to kill the pps. If they can get the pps to 0.0000000 then they never have to cover and they win big.
Weird trading going on today...
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No individual investor is "dropping shares". Watch L2; UBSS, VERT & VFIN have been working together to drop the bid/ask for the last two weeks.
Fire sale perhaps.
$1800 gets you 3,000,000 shares at the ASK.
I think VFIN and VERT would have to follow UBSS up. They don't seem to have any shares but they are more than willing to sell what they don't have!
HNSS
Is UBSS desperate to get rid of their 3MM shares? I have seen that same 3MM at the ask when the ask was .0008, .0007 and now .0006.
It seems to me that they are stacking the ask (wherever it might be) with a huge lot of shares in order to suppress any upward movement.
If they were that desperate to get rid of their shares, they would have already sold them. Remember last week when someone bought 3MM at the ask and UBSS moved off the ask, let VERT absorb the 3MM share purchase, and then moved BACK on to the ask (all the while, making the buy at the ask look like a sell at the bid).
Yea... no games being played here!
HNSS
Do you think the Microfill really exists?
I didn't say anything about market cap. I said our pps does not equal HNSS's true market value. Even though Market Cap is PPSxOS, its never exact due to the human element involved in the market.
You have said yourself that the pps reflects what investors think a stock is worth. So buying back shares would not increase the pps if (as you say) investors think HNSS is a scam.
Or was all that stuff you have been saying the last 3 months just to try and get on people's nerves?
IMO, HNSS's cash is much better used toward launching the MicroFill rather than buying back shares.
HNSS
PPS does not equal true market value. MM's are holding in a tight range. Buying back shares will not make the pps go up when MM's are controlling the movement.
Microfill will do that for us when it is launched next quarter.
The "dial" didn't move because of some switheroo's being done on L2. We had 6MM shares bought at the ask that seemed to have been absorbed by VERT/VFIN, yet they show no lot sizes on the ask. UBSS has shown 3MM on the ask all day and only 136k out of that 3MM has gone toward the 6MM purchased shares. Who sold the rest of the shares today? My guess is they are phantom shares. Watch it and you would understand better what is going on.
Also, it doesn't do Black any good to buy back shares right now. We have covered the why's on that several times before. Might help to go back and re-read posts.
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6MM at .0007 today. You know you saw that.