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Irish, I don't know what you are talking about. I was talking to Brian. R3
I do feel the pain, Brian. This dilution has every sign of a company that overestimated their product's impact on the market and thought they had enough time to make it happen before they got to this financial point. I believe that Host is squeezing them big time for every dime they can get out of them before they give them anything. Ultimately, the money they will get out of these contracts will be substantially less than they would have had IF they had a better business plan. Brian, that is not "pumping" Tivus, nor is it a negative post. It is just business reality.
That is all I have ever asked from anyone posting on this board. Calling people crooks, or their company a P-S, or acting like we know what is happening behind the scenes is just not factual or helpful. It belies good business knowledge or investor judgement. American capitalism is fraught with greed, taking every advantage of your opponent to reward your shareholders is the game of business. SP is doing his best, but I think is just in over his head. Doug M. is providing guidance, but he is up against his cousins who have written the book on how to take advantage of a business situation. Cousin or no cousin, he is over matched by a huge corporation with sharpened pencils and business execs who have cut their teeth on screwing the opposition. At this point, Tivus is the screwey! But that is far different, Brian, than saying someone is a crook or their product or company is a P-S! That type of crude and uninformed comment is unnecessary and not helpful to anyone trying to make a business judgement.
I say GLTA and that includes Tivus. I still believe they can survive IF Host comes through. IF this happens, their pay off date is, IMHO, way in the future (1-2 years)and will include either an aggressive share buy back (much less likely now) or a RS at the end of this dilution pollution. I for one am holding tight and will make my business decisions at year's end. We should know by then. In the meantime, I am a guy with a great day and still holding a chance to make a few dollars on Tivus! So, Tivus, be an ORCA! R3
Brian, you just don't get it. You keep poking the same wound that we all agree is a festering sore and act like your "surgery" is going to change something. That's the definition of insanity. These folks aren't paying any attention to you, Brian. As a matter of fact, since you have been screaming about this dilution, IT IS GETTING WORSE! And while I do not mean to offend you, you are like a screaming baby that thinks if you cry over and over again, it will change reality. I have already said that I don't like the dilution and I think it is toxic. All you do is dump your negative posts on people who have already said they agree with you, and you somehow think you are going to change the company and the world from either dumping these shares or buying more shares!
Brian, one more time. The dumping of the shares on the market is terrible. I don't like it. The sky is falling! All hell is going to break lose! Now, does this make you feel better? Is this going to stop them? Is your therapy complete? Please, give us all a break from the obvious. In the meantime, where I live the sun is still shining and it is a beautiful fall day. Now, go Tivus and do your best to become a real company. And if possible, someone from Tivus write Brian39 a note wishing him well. Cheers! R3
Waggett, exactly. We've got all kinds of people closing the barn doors in order to keep the horses what.........OUTSIDE!?! It is just a matter of waiting and watching. All the P-S references are juvenile and serve only to show the level of intellect that went into the DD done by investors. No one can foresee the future in business, and in pinkyland if you decide to invest and then whine because a pink sheet went south, DUH! Once again, pink sheet land isn't investing, it is gambling! Whining about management of the company because they aren't fortune 500 level execs just defies reality. GLTA, but someone needs to bring smelling salts to this board to help people get real. JMHO. R3
Now that you have gone negative one more time, what have you accomplished of any lasting value? Nothing, which in and of itself is just NEGATIVE. I am sorry my friend, but you won't build anything on a negative. R3
It is, CC. Tell me, what you do accomplish with negative "reality"? R3
If there is one thing I can say about this life it is that people who always see the negative always reap the negative. It's simple: it is all they ever see. If this stock hits $1, there are those who will whine and moan that it isn't $5! It is their life and it is sad. I wish them all the best, but I know that in the long run their best will be to focus on the negative. I will not participate in their mythical world of "negative reality". I prefer to believe in the best and look for the positive. Shiva is doing his best and I believe that despite this dilutive event, we will all benefit in the long run from Tivus. Tivus, be an ORCA. GLTA. R3
I have reviewed today's cat fight, both positive and negative posters. My gosh, how old are all you guys???? All you have to do is focus on the numbers that matter to you. I am sorry, but OS is only meaningful if you were a big dope and bought a ton of Tivus at .22, or.10, or .06. If you did, you are a bad investor. Don't blame a pink sheet company because you were greedy and didn't know when to invest. On the other hand, those of you that keep screaming about "A big contract any day!" look at how long these other poor schmucks have heard this and have been waiting for "Just around the corner." Sure they are sick of all the delays and crap that comes from people who have no clue about Tivus and how tenuous this company is in the world of business.
Why don't we all grow up and let the company play this thing out. It isn't pretty, it isn't a sure thing, but it has a CHANCE! In the world of pink sheets, that's more than 99% of the stocks. If you got in early in Tivus, my condolences. But you are blaming SP for his bad business judgement and you admit every time you post that you aren't good in business, either. That's why you spend so much time calling SP a crook because you don't admit to yourselves you stink at investing. For those that got in late, you were lucky. You have a better chance of making a killing. Have some compassion for these other folks, and stop the "It's right around the corner" crap. We may be at 1 billion OS before you see anything and a stock that should have been bringing in a fifty cent piece, may bring you in .03. Please, let's try to be adults and GLTA R3
I love some of this chatter. If you don't hear from the company, they are hiding something. If you hear from them, they haven't done anything to suit some. Damed if you do, damned if you don't. They are doing their best. R3
This is not a share increase in price announcement. It is an attempt to update the shareholders and stop the criticism of not getting news out. To me, the newest report from Phil Marriott is the best news:
"With hotel room demand and rates continuing to trend upward this year, Phil Marriott, TiVUS' executive vice-president of global sales, reported, "We have had remarkable success courting a customer with a string of properties in the Western U.S., and I expect this to come to fruition in the near future. Although not yet a paper contract, I am very optimistic – this was a lead from our recent meetings in Austin, Texas.
"Although the sales team has been courting scores of other properties, I believe the convergence of Host's acceptance of our HD IPTV with ad-insertion platform, vis-à-vis room occupancy rates trending nicely upward and hotel chain mandates to upgrade to HDTV, bodes extremely well for our sales strategy going forward," Marriott concluded."
One more time, everyone repeat after me: Share price will go up on the release of signed contracts with $'s. All of you who seem content to hammer away at no news just continue your online therapy. We just keep waiting for the obvious and hope it comes relatively soon. R3
Agreed! It is the only path to Tivus happiness! R3
Earnings per share are based upon corporate profitability. Let's say that a job earns Tivus $1 million and that is their corporate earnings. If they have 500 million shares OS eps will be .002. If the earnings ratio is 15, the price will be .03 per share. If you own 500,000 shares, your share value will be $15,000.00. The p/e ratio will be largely influenced by the perception of future growth and contracts. If Tivus and Host announce a larger contract involving 50 hotels, then the p/e ratio will go up considerably. In the stock market, the price is always tagged to the future and the perception of people about the future earnings of any company. Yes, dilution hurts terribly, but having no company is far worse if you expect your shares to ever be worth anything! BTW, 50 hotels will provide a very large return, even with this terrible dilution event.
Be concerned about dilution, but if you believe this is a crooked deal, sell and get out. Don't just trash a ceo because I can guarantee you that you don't have the foggiest idea of what he is dealing with and what he is trying to do. And speculating about why you don't hear anything is like wanting an inside seat in the negotiations, and then most would scream "insider trading". So please, let's just hang in and be patient. JMHO. R3
Glad to hear you are doing fine. One other point, Brian. All the share dilution is weakening the hand of Tivus to negotiate with Host. If I was playing hardball with Tivus and seeing all this, and I was a Host VP, I would be waiting on agreeing to any contract until I could push Tivu to their bottom figure. If anyone is wondering why this is taking so long, just put yourselves in the position of the Host rep. who is looking at this deal. In this way, we are hardly helping Tivus when we question their intentions and do anything to weaken an already horribly weakened stock. JMHO. R3
Brian, this is where your theory falls apart. Business continues and the need for capital just doesn't dry up. Cased in point was the opinion letter from their attorney's. These guys don't work for free. If you do business, you get on an airplane and fly to wherever and do business. You don't just quit. Second flaw, Host is "negotiating" a deal with Tivus, not just telling them they are giving them whatever Tivus wants! This is a Fortune 500 company and they are an independent business, not a partner of Tivus. They are crunching numbers and working out the best deal for Host. That takes time, my friend. In the meantime, Tivus is starving for capital and selling shares like a hooker running a special on the corner of 12th and Vine in Kansas City! This dilution will continue until the contracts are AGREED UPON. When, and yes, if this happens, the dilution will cease and the company can move to debt financing. The sp will be figured on a standard eps ratio and the price will go up. Until, we just wait as helpless shareholders. R3
Brian, you just keep pouring salt in your open wound. Not everyone invests the same way you invests. You obviously got in way over your head and you think that screaming the sky is falling is going to make your bad investment strategy go away. IMHO, you just keep telling people I am a bad investor, but I want you to listen to my opinion on investing!!! Your strategy is counter intuitive, my friend. Just ride this thing out and see if turns. I sympathize with your dilemma, but you can help yourself by practicing patience and watching others through this miserable (yes, I agree this is miserable!) time and see what comes. You may be surprised. GLTU. R3
So here are a number of questions we need to ask ourselves:
1. If Tivus had the Host's contracts in hand, would the share price go up or down?
2. If the sp of Tivus went up, would we be having any of this conversation about it being a POS?
3. If Tivus had the Host's contracts in hand, would the OS/AS be as relevant to our discussions?
I understand the angst of people with Tivus and this massive dilution. But how many times do people keep beating this dead horse with a board to make it get up and run a marathon? OK, we are all disappointed, but tomorrow this may all pass away with Host's contracts. IMHO, the only pertinent questions to Tivus relate to these $ contracts.
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The real question for us all (and yes, dilution is a valid concern!) is, "Is the technology Tivus proposes real and worthy of $ investments by a Fortune 500 company?" I can tell you that if the tech works as proposed and the returns on ad insertion techology are real, there are many hospitality entities that should have a natural interest in this company over many other TV/IT providers. Las Vegas has been hammered by the loss of business to Macau and needs additional revenues in the worst way. But the first contract for any small company is like pulling teeth. Think about it. If you are the VP recommending a new firm and they bomb, you say good bye to your job. Host is not going to pull the plug until they are absolutely sure Tivus is as close to a sure bet as possible. Any ceo knows the implications of making a wrong move, just as they get the credit for being the next "genius" if the tech is a hit. This is why it is taking time for Host to weigh the Tivus connection. R3
I am not particularly worried about the moderator on this board. What I am concerned about is Tivus getting $ contracts. R3
The last two days are merely a response to a very badly oversold company. The current price is reflective of a company that has no technology and no connections in their business universe. Tivus has both and more. It is waiting on final CONTRACTS! Go Tivus and complete the dream. R3
CONTRACTS!! This is why longs are still here! A viable growing company with a leading edge money making technology. We still believe in the company and are waiting for Host to step up and put this tech.to use making all a great return. R3
Only a neophyte would believe that negative or positive pumping will move Tivus. We need contracts with $'s. That is what pays off! R3
Over the last several days I have been with a poor (in all it's meanings in good old USA) young mother who lost her baby in childbirth and nearly bled to death in the high risk birth. She just dreamed of holding her son. They don't have insurance so the treatment the baby needed never got delivered. So, he died. Well, that is life, or in this case, death.
I come back on this board and all these silly arguments seem so ridiculous. Look, if folks are sick of Tivus, just dump your stock and lick your wounds. But don't make it miserable for others. This life we live is filled with disappointment and Tivus may fail and never make it. But it is OK for people to want to believe in SP and his dream. I for one like Shiva. He is David battling for a piece of the rock and trying to fulfill his dream in the world of power. He only has a couple of crumby rocks for his sling, but he has a great sling! He isn't trying to screw anyone. He is just battling away trying to birth his baby. Shiva, I for one am for you. If this RS's and I break even, so be it. If I lose, so be it. I just want Shiva to realize his dream and hold it in his arms. It's the American dream. All of you people who know nothing of business wouldn't know the valiant effort SP is making. Go Shiva and do your best with Tivus! We who have risked a little know you have risked it all. R3
Seeya, chill out, dude! Try some meditation and repeat after me, "I will not invest in companies that are high risks!" Do that 20 times, and say 10 "Our Fathers" and you will be absolved of all your gambling and rude language sins! And in the future, don't gamble money you cannot afford to lose. I hope today is better for you, my friend. R3
Here is what I do know: Once again, this is all about MONEY, not DD, not business plan, not technology or what the company is offering or what Host and/or Marriott may buy. If this stock was .37 we would all be peeing our pants, waiting for the big contract kill! What would be the difference: NOTHING BUT MONEY! No one would be ranking on Tivus, or listing all the reasons it is a loser as a stinky pinky. So, while I certainly respect your reasons, I am afraid it is all smoke and mirrors based on MONEY, not CC's, DD's, or AWOL on contracts. It's just unhappiness with MONEY. So, and no offense, I prefer to be happy and wait for the Killing; yes, my optimism is based on MONEY, TOO; and their business plan, their technology, their relationships with Marriotts, their current installations in Philly, DT, and yes, I believe that fundamentally SP is a techy who stinks at business, but is a guy trying to realize the big dream. Maybe even a Steve Jobs (You know, the guy Apple fired!) Call me crazy; I AM!! BUT I AM HAPPY CRAZY, not miserable. GLTY. R3
People feel that Tivus is not accomplishing anything in the world of business. So what just exactly are YOU accomplishing with your moaning and yes, just blatantly negative comments?
Anyone can say anything they want, but it does not make it responsible or accurate. That is, in my opinion, what is wrong with this country today. It is tough to build anything, but it is so easy to tear something down. It is your right, but it doesn't prove to me that your comments are worthy of listening to. Sorry, I just think you are folks that got in over your heads and you are exposing your own terrible investment strategy. BTW, all the more reason NOT to listen to you about Tivus. Wish I could be more supportive of your self inflicted suffering. JMHO. R3
I suspect the Securities COUNSEL is their attorney. I don't think it said counselor, but the more formal counsel, i.e. attorney. JMHO. R3
King, you are absolutely correct. These are standard setting contracts and no one company wants to get caught short in cutting a bad deal. I suspect this means that Tivus will take a bit of a hair cut in the first final deal. In any case, it doesn't benefit either Host or Tivus to get a bad deal for either. If Tivus fails in the long run because of a whimpy contract, Host looks stupid because they signed a deal with a small, unknown that failed. If Host gives away the store and Tivus negotiates sharper, smaller cash deals with other hotels, then Tivus risks looking like they undercut Host. Lots of things to be considered, and that doesn't even touch the revenue return on ad insertion revenue. R3
Ceasars, Marriott Intl, Sands, MGM, Starwood are all in the Fortune 500 and haven't done business to our knowledge with Tivus. I am betting that it is Marriott International, but all the others are largely based in Vegas. Host, of course, I am not counting because we are waiting for them and our current contract. If not Marriott, I believe MGM is next best bet. If Marriott, Inl. (I believe headquartered in Maryland next to Host) I am somewhat encouraged because of the potential linkage between Host and Marriott. It tells me that Marriott is probably not going to waste their time with a group they won't be doing business with. R3
Keep your chin up, Irish! Remember, most people remember the last song of a great concert and judge it by that moment. So it is with stock. If this sings loud (and if the MGM Hospitality is the group they have been meeting with: see the Wall Street Journal article on MGM's plight!) and there are big contracts in the end, everyone here will be geniuses! No one will remember all the negative talk of dilution because most of the investors in Tivu will be singing "Happy Days are Here Again" or they will be drunk in celebration. R3
EM, butt kicking report from Steve. I sometimes wonder why Tivus isn't releasing this in QS reports, and then I realize that 1. if they had time to do this it would mean that other business wasn't taking place and 2. who would pay any attention anyway! Until there is a contract release with $'s, we just have to wait and get periodic glimpses of "what might be". For my part, I will stay happy and focused on my hopes and dreams, and what part Tivus might play. It lightens the day! R3
Pontiac, the competition you have shown is interesting, but it has NO ad inserted revenue - HUGE difference!! I can appreciate your frustration, but showing people competitors that really aren't competitive casts a false air of competition to those folks who haven't really paid attention to what Tivus offers. JMHO. R3
Just to let you know I am not trying to make anyone bad guys here. I know this looks and feels bad. I am the eternal optimist. No ulcer yet! GLTA. R3
Well, Nic, I don't know about what is ultimately keeping Host from pulling the lever, and obviously neither does Tivus, and neither do you. Here is what I can tell you: They have a proposal for a contract for Philly that was given to them at their request. We also know that Tivus submitted a proposal for 50 others in the Host family. I don't know if the two are linked. Why donl't you email SH and ask?
Business takes as long as it takes, and to assume something nefarious in this time frame does not mean we are somehow astute in our assumptions. JMHO. Perhaps they (Host) are shopping other systems, perhaps they are looking in Europe, perhaps they want to buy out Tivus and claim the proprietary system, and perhaps they are just reading this message board and deciding the company is as unstable as you are saying they are. Perhaps Tivus is shopping a merger. I DON'T KNOW! All I know is that SH tried to respond to my comments (not all were questions) and that he is busy with Tivus. As far as he knows, everything is fine and time will tell. I guess we all just wait and dilute. Personally, I was counting on continued dilution and am rather astounded everyone here seems surprised at this level of dilution. When I saw that 1 billion share level, I figured we were in for some big numbers. I guess we will join Ford Motor Company and their 1 billion shares OS.
I am still hoping and praying for eventual good news from Host. If that happens, we will all be rewarded, but not like what we hoped. R3
SH responded to my question about Host and their response to us.
"We are dealing with big Companies, they can still “can us” if they want, but it doesn’t look like they want us to remove our system – nearly eliminated guest complaints and service calls! And no porn! Don’t underestimate our customer’s desire to eliminate the requirement to take porn VOD OR pay a premium to NOT have it available! They have our contract and plan for 50 more."
He also shared with me that he has been very busy with the Tivus business and so far, they are still waiting on Host. Watching grass grow is frustrating and tedious. R3
I get the idea of being frustrated by buzzkills, but to not even respond to an inquiry I don't understand. If A1 thinks this is a dead stock, say so. Capt. Jake has also disappeared and does not respond. From very active to not present and accounted for makes one think they are awol (sorry for the bad term) on this company and have given up. JMHO. R3
A1 and Capt. Jake, are you still moderators? If not, please tell us. R3
A1 and Capt. Jake where are you? R3
Funny you should say that about a loan. Starbucks, in conjunction with Opportunity Finance Network(OFN), will begin providing money for start up businesses the first of November. Howard Schultz and Starbucks will provide $5 million seed money, and each customer entering Starbucks can donate $5 to go to Create Jobs for USA and the OFN. This is not a charity, but a national effort to help stimulate employment in the USA through small business loans. For people who gripe about "It isn't government's role to provide jobs!" now is your opportunity to step up and make a difference for our fellow citizens who are looking for work. Perhaps Tivus can be one of those "shovel ready" projects that can use the financing to stimulate jobs. Let's see how far we can go to turn this country around. R3 and grateful for people who lead rather than just gripe!
Acentic is a European company and quite honestly, less than impressive. R3
I have not seen that but it certainly looks like a system that is Tivus. So, being who I am, I will believe the best and wait for a good pay day with, I hope, a nice big fat contract of $150 ($3 million per hotel) and a $3.5 for Philly Marriott. I love speculating on big numbers!! It is so much more fun doing that, win, lose, or draw! IT is only money!! God Tivus and be an ORCA! R3