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Dan3 - <Intel's fastest chip with a 1meg (or larger) L2 is still their 900mhz Xeon. AMD is shipping 1.4ghz and 1.6ghz Opterons with 1meg L2 to its OEMs now, >
You are 100% ABSOLUTELY WRONG !!
Intel's Centrino/Pentium M chip has 1 Meg L2 cache and is shipping in VOLUME at 1.6 GHz.
And that volume, Dan3, is REAL VOLUME to REAL customers.
Now, Dan3, I'm sure you will offer up some reparte' that you meant SERVER chips.
Well, Dan3, you never mentioned that restriction.
And I'm sure Intel will very soon introduce the Pentium MS version of the Centrino/Pentium M chip which will allow the Pentium M to run in 2-way blade servers - and effectively blast AMD's Opteron back to the mollasses market where it currently resides.
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"AMD's Quantispeed ratings are widely accepted by those who matter"
You couldn't be more correct.
Ever since AMD introduced that Quantispeed rating - in the third quarter of 2001 - they have lost money in every single quarter - making it 7 straight quarters including this one.
Those who matter voted with their pocketbooks, and restored Intel's market share to its historic highs, while restoring AMD's financials to their historic high losses.
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What I find pitiful about the Opteron is its pitiful 1.4 or 1.6 GHz clock despite the fact that AMD is fabbing it on a supercomplicated 9 metal layers of copper on top of exotic SOI technology - and the bloody thing dribble in slower than AMD's Athlons.
What I find even more pitiful is the fact that the Opteron is 3 years late - making it a cats-ass-trophy. It was due in late 2000 then slipped to 2001 then slipped to 2002 then slipped to 2003 - and it still isn't here.
AMD kept telling us how the Opteron was a simple 64 bit extension of the x86 architecture - and the AMD fan boys went rooty toot tooting how Dirk Meyer could pull this off in his sleep in over a year - and it took them 5 years to do it - and it is coming out so slow that the computing world is giving it a yawn.
Even Dirk Meyer blew his top in this last presentation when an analyst asked why the opteron was so slow. Boy, did Dirk lose his cool. He must be under a lot of pressure after the three years of program slippages and completely failing to hit the 2.4 GHz target spec. In fact, AMD is missing their original goals by about 1 GHz. Pathetic.
Only AMD's partly owned and directed PCB design house - Newisys - is making motherboards. Essentially, AMD is AMD's only opteron customer.
The Opteron is playing out to be just another Athlon MP launch - with a bunch of specialty boutiques looking to offer cheap servers that may run some 64 bit software in a few months - just before their Opeterons become totally obsolete.
In fact, these Opteron boxes will essentially be obsolete the day they launch - assuming AMD doesn't delay the launch again.
Or, more likely, AMD will vapour launch the Opteron and try to ship the real product sometime before September.
And no AGP port - AMD fan boys better get used to the fact that they will have to conjure up server benchmarks to play with instead of their usual games - or go out and get some PCI graohics cards which are, shall we say, pathetically slow these day.
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" the same group that did that 4-way crossbar was hired by AMD when AP Networks went bust...The point is that AMD hired these guys for some reason."
The reason is most likely that AMD identifies with companies going bust. How you justify an HT design house going bust and then suddenly become design superstars for AMD is a real stretch of the imagination.
Seen any profits from AMD in the last couple of years?
Maybe you can wax on about AMD's debt payments due this year.. and the next...and the next.....
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Buggii - Aren't you the BUGGII that was telling the world that AMD was running 2500 Hammer wafer starts per week last November?
Your credibility is pretty low, I'd say.
From Buggi: http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=AMD&read=101881
Hot "Insider" Information - Hammer
Brokersjack, one of your Wallstreetonline AMD members
here in germany made some comments in the last time, which
gave very good hints. He probably said at 25.07.02 in
our forum:
224 von brokersjack 25.07.02 22:59:25 Beitrag Nr.: >6.980.134 6980134
>....
>3. 2400+ und 2600+ werden seit mindestens 2 Wochen >produziert,demnach sollten die Dinger Anfang September >rauskommen.
that 2400+ and 2600+ is ready for the beginning of
september - he was right!!!
Now we have new amazing information:
"
...
Um den 6.9.02 sollen also etwa 2500 Wafer/Woche für
den Hammer begonnen werden. Nach 75 Tagen, also etwa um den 21.11.02,würden demnach ne ziemliche Menge Hammers auftauchen können!
...
"
http://www.wallstreet-online.de/ws/community/board/threadpag...
My Home board ...
That means ... in english:
From 06.09.02 AMD should beginn Hammer Volume Production
with 2500WSPW!!! That means, that we should get first
Hammers ready for the end of November. There should be alot.
When this information is true - Hammers seems to do like
hot cake - crazy. WOW ... ))
Take care - that is just an information from brokers-
jack - there are no garanties ...
BUGGI
GREAT ITANIUM SERVER BENCHMARKS
Press Release Source: NEC Solutions
NEC Solutions' 32-Way, Intel-R- Itanium-R- 2 Server Sets New Performance Level in Two Tier SAP-R- Standard Application Sales and Distribution -SD- Benchmark
Wednesday March 26, 8:52 pm ET
SAN DIEGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 26, 2003--Continuing its initiative to dominate the price/performance equation for enterprise computing, NEC Solutions (America), Inc., today announced that its 32-way, Itanium 2-based Express5800/1032 has claimed one of the top spots among its peers when benchmarked on the 2-tier SAP® Standard Application Sales and Distribution Benchmark. The server was tested using Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Datacenter Edition and SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition (64-bit). This announcement comes on the heels of an astonishingly fast TPC-C benchmark in February 2003 (433,107 tpmC, $12.98/tpmC) posted by the 1000 Series server from NEC Solutions.
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The SAP SD 4.6 C application benchmark was performed on a NEC Express5800/1320Xc 32-way server with 64GB of memory. The benchmark achieved 2,750 SD benchmark users with an average dialog response time of 1.85 seconds. The achieved throughput was 278,300 fully business processed order line items per hour and 835,000 dialog steps per hour. This benchmark is fully compliant with SAP Benchmark Council's issued benchmark regulation and has been audited by SAP. A complete description of the benchmark and more information is available at www.sap.com/benchmark.
"Using industry standard equipment to achieve such dominant performance is truly a statement of engineering innovation and a result of collaborative efforts with Intel and Microsoft to focus on dramatically reducing the cost of high performance processing for enterprise customers," said Mike Mitsch, senior director, NEC Server Solutions. "Senior IT management must now consider a new possibility when planning their highest-end systems. These scores cannot be swept under the rug by believers in high-priced, proprietary systems. The value proposition is too great and the possibilities far too vast to ignore."
The NEC Express5800/1000
High-speed processing on the entire 1000 Series of servers is realized with a combination of Intel's new Itanium 2 CPU and NEC's mainframe and supercomputer technology -- such as crossbar switch technology and high-speed memory access technology. In addition to the fact that it can be configured with up to 32 CPUs, the new series employs PCI-X for I/O bus to connect peripheral and network devices. It can also be configured with up to 112 I/O slots and 512GB of memory, demonstrating the high scalability ideal for large-scale configurations.
The Express5800/1000 series may be partitioned at the hardware level, enabling each subsystem to operate as an independent computer system. It is possible to divide the 32-CPU system into up to eight subsystems, each of which has four CPUs, and let them each operate separately. In this way it's possible to allocate processor capacity according to workload status, resulting in flexible system operation and guaranteed security.
The NEC Express5800/1000 Series is available for order immediately throughout North America. Further information and product specifications for the NEC Express5800/1000 series of servers is available at www.nec64.com or by calling NEC Solutions America at 866-632-3226.
About NEC Solutions (America), Inc.
NEC Solutions (America), Inc. is a leading provider of business solutions and services for the high-end commercial and professional markets in North America. As an affiliate of NEC Corporation (NASDAQ: NIPNY - News; FTSE: 6701q.l), NEC Solutions America supplies customized technology solutions, including presentation systems, enterprise computing products, biometric and information security solutions, advanced eBusiness integration systems, and professional IT/IS services. Information about NEC Solutions America can be found at www.necsolutions-am.com.
Editor's Note: Information and specifications are subject to change without notice. NEC is a registered trademark of NEC Corporation. Intel is a registered trademark of Intel Corporation. Microsoft and Windows are registered trademarks of Microsoft Corporation. SAP and other SAP product and service names mentioned herein are trademarks or registered trademarks of SAP AG in Germany and in several other countries. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners. (C)2003 NEC Solutions (America), Inc. All rights reserved.
1. Server availability, June 30, 2003. Press release available at http://servers.necsam.com/press_detail.cfm?press_id=30. TPC-C is one of the Transaction Processing Performance Council's standard benchmarks for measuring computer system performance. Performance is evaluated based on a model of enterprise transaction processing. Benchmark results are expressed in terms of how many transactions are performed per minute (tpmC). NEC Express5800/1320Xc, 433,107.77 tpmC, $12.98/tpmC, with thirty two (32) Intel Itanium® 2 processors at 1.0 GHz, each with 3MB iL3 cache, running Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Datacenter Edition and Microsoft SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition 64-bit, with 512 GB RAM; Available: 6/30/2003
Source www.tpc.org: Best RISC using IBM eServer pSeries 690, 427,760.83 tpmC, $17.75/tpmC, with thirty two (32) IBM Power 4 processors at 1300MHz, running IBM AIX 5L V5.2, Oracle 9i Enterprise Database Server 9.2.0.1, 512GB RAM, Available: 5/31/2003
2. Compared with Unysis server score recorded 11/11/02 on www.sap.com/benchmark. Unysis e-@ction enterprise, Unisys e-@ction Enterprise Server ES7000 Aries 130, 16-processors, Intel Itanium II, 1.0 GHz, 3 MB L3 cache, 65536 memory, Windows .NET 2003 Datacenter Server, SQL Server 2000.
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NEC Solutions' 32-Way, Intel-R- Itanium-R- 2 Server Sets New Performance Level in Two Tier SAP-R- Standard Application Sales and Distribution -SD- Benchmark
Wednesday March 26, 8:52 pm ET
SAN DIEGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 26, 2003--Continuing its initiative to dominate the price/performance equation for enterprise computing, NEC Solutions (America), Inc., today announced that its 32-way, Itanium 2-based Express5800/1032 has claimed one of the top spots among its peers when benchmarked on the 2-tier SAP® Standard Application Sales and Distribution Benchmark. The server was tested using Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Datacenter Edition and SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition (64-bit). This announcement comes on the heels of an astonishingly fast TPC-C benchmark in February 2003 (433,107 tpmC, $12.98/tpmC) posted by the 1000 Series server from NEC Solutions.
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The SAP SD 4.6 C application benchmark was performed on a NEC Express5800/1320Xc 32-way server with 64GB of memory. The benchmark achieved 2,750 SD benchmark users with an average dialog response time of 1.85 seconds. The achieved throughput was 278,300 fully business processed order line items per hour and 835,000 dialog steps per hour. This benchmark is fully compliant with SAP Benchmark Council's issued benchmark regulation and has been audited by SAP. A complete description of the benchmark and more information is available at www.sap.com/benchmark.
"Using industry standard equipment to achieve such dominant performance is truly a statement of engineering innovation and a result of collaborative efforts with Intel and Microsoft to focus on dramatically reducing the cost of high performance processing for enterprise customers," said Mike Mitsch, senior director, NEC Server Solutions. "Senior IT management must now consider a new possibility when planning their highest-end systems. These scores cannot be swept under the rug by believers in high-priced, proprietary systems. The value proposition is too great and the possibilities far too vast to ignore."
The NEC Express5800/1000
High-speed processing on the entire 1000 Series of servers is realized with a combination of Intel's new Itanium 2 CPU and NEC's mainframe and supercomputer technology -- such as crossbar switch technology and high-speed memory access technology. In addition to the fact that it can be configured with up to 32 CPUs, the new series employs PCI-X for I/O bus to connect peripheral and network devices. It can also be configured with up to 112 I/O slots and 512GB of memory, demonstrating the high scalability ideal for large-scale configurations.
The Express5800/1000 series may be partitioned at the hardware level, enabling each subsystem to operate as an independent computer system. It is possible to divide the 32-CPU system into up to eight subsystems, each of which has four CPUs, and let them each operate separately. In this way it's possible to allocate processor capacity according to workload status, resulting in flexible system operation and guaranteed security.
The NEC Express5800/1000 Series is available for order immediately throughout North America. Further information and product specifications for the NEC Express5800/1000 series of servers is available at www.nec64.com or by calling NEC Solutions America at 866-632-3226.
About NEC Solutions (America), Inc.
NEC Solutions (America), Inc. is a leading provider of business solutions and services for the high-end commercial and professional markets in North America. As an affiliate of NEC Corporation (NASDAQ: NIPNY - News; FTSE: 6701q.l), NEC Solutions America supplies customized technology solutions, including presentation systems, enterprise computing products, biometric and information security solutions, advanced eBusiness integration systems, and professional IT/IS services. Information about NEC Solutions America can be found at www.necsolutions-am.com.
Editor's Note: Information and specifications are subject to change without notice. NEC is a registered trademark of NEC Corporation. Intel is a registered trademark of Intel Corporation. Microsoft and Windows are registered trademarks of Microsoft Corporation. SAP and other SAP product and service names mentioned herein are trademarks or registered trademarks of SAP AG in Germany and in several other countries. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners. (C)2003 NEC Solutions (America), Inc. All rights reserved.
1. Server availability, June 30, 2003. Press release available at http://servers.necsam.com/press_detail.cfm?press_id=30. TPC-C is one of the Transaction Processing Performance Council's standard benchmarks for measuring computer system performance. Performance is evaluated based on a model of enterprise transaction processing. Benchmark results are expressed in terms of how many transactions are performed per minute (tpmC). NEC Express5800/1320Xc, 433,107.77 tpmC, $12.98/tpmC, with thirty two (32) Intel Itanium® 2 processors at 1.0 GHz, each with 3MB iL3 cache, running Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Datacenter Edition and Microsoft SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition 64-bit, with 512 GB RAM; Available: 6/30/2003
Source www.tpc.org: Best RISC using IBM eServer pSeries 690, 427,760.83 tpmC, $17.75/tpmC, with thirty two (32) IBM Power 4 processors at 1300MHz, running IBM AIX 5L V5.2, Oracle 9i Enterprise Database Server 9.2.0.1, 512GB RAM, Available: 5/31/2003
2. Compared with Unysis server score recorded 11/11/02 on www.sap.com/benchmark. Unysis e-@ction enterprise, Unisys e-@ction Enterprise Server ES7000 Aries 130, 16-processors, Intel Itanium II, 1.0 GHz, 3 MB L3 cache, 65536 memory, Windows .NET 2003 Datacenter Server, SQL Server 2000.
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Another good design win for Intel's Xscale CPU - inside a Samsung Cell Phone - running a PalmOS of all things.
Palm OS 5 Powers Up Cell Phones
Arik Hesseldahl, 03.14.03, 10:00 AM ET
If this week was all about mobile computing, the coming week will be all about mobile phone handsets.
Next week the Cellular Telecommunications and Internet Association kicks off its big trade show in New Orleans. It's at this show that manufacturers of mobile handsets start showing off their new phone models that will carry them through the rest of the year.
Samsung's SGH-i500 PDA phone features Palm OS 5.
As it happens, the CTIA trade show is taking place within a few days of the CeBit trade show in Germany, which started March 12, where many phones also tend to be unveiled for the first time. One that caught our eye came from South Korea's Samsung.
The SGH-i500 is the first mobile phone-PDA combination that runs on Palm OS 5. This is the newest version of the Palm operating system, which has so far debuted in handhelds from Sony (nyse: SNE - news - people ) and Palm (nasdaq: PALM - news - people ), and is coming in a handheld from Garmin (nasdaq: GRMN - news - people ). It is produced by Palm subsidiary Palmsource.
The phone has a clamshell design, which for Samsung is a departure from its previous candy bar-shaped Palm phones. It runs on global system for mobile communications/ general packet radio services networks (or GSM/GPRS networks) like those operated by Cingular Wireless, Deutsche Telekom's (nyse: DK - news - people ) T-Mobile and AT&T Wireless (nyse: AWE - news - people ). It's a tri-band phone, so it should work in the U.S., Europe and much of Asia.
It can handle features like multimedia messaging and WAP Web browsing, and it has a 330,000 pixel digital camera. Inside is an Intel (nasdaq: INTC - news - people ) Xscale chip running at 300 megahertz.
Another new feature is the new Graffiti 2 pen-input system, which replaces the original Graffiti system that was unique to the first Palm handhelds. The original Graffiti system fell victim to a legal fight between Palm and Xerox (nyse: XRX - news - people ). Xerox has argued that Graffiti too closely resembled a Xerox-made system called Unistroke. Graffiti 2 is based on software called Jot from a software firm called CIC, of Redwood Shores, Calif.
Samsung hasn't yet said much about price of its unit, but it should appear in the third quarter of this year. The company has aggressive plans for mobile phone sales for the rest of the year. San-Jin Park, head of Samsung's mobile phone division, told an audience of reporters in Hannover, Germany, that the company plans to sell 52.5 million handsets this year. That would solidify its place as the number three maker of handsets behind Finland's Nokia (nyse: NOK - news - people ) and Motorola (nyse: MOT - news - people ) in the U.S.
It might just make that goal. Samsung's unit sales grew by 50% while the rest of the industry's players saw their sales pick up by smaller margins.
http://www.forbes.com/2003/03/14/cx_ah_0314tentech.html?partner=yahoo&referrer=
Intel's Centrino is getting customized & optimized software to enhance performance and battery life with Centrino's new architecture.
Haven't heard of any such support for AMD's XP-M or Transmeta's Crusoe.
Press Release Source: InterVideo, Inc.
InterVideo to Customize WinDVD for Intel Centrino Mobile Technology
Wednesday March 12, 2:48 pm ET
InterVideo's Popular DVD Player to be Customized for Longer Battery Life
FREMONT, Calif., March 12 /PRNewswire/ -- InterVideo, Inc. today announced that WinDVD, the world's most popular DVD player, will be customized for Intel® Centrino(TM) mobile technology to produce increased battery life. Beginning with the next major release of WinDVD, InterVideo expects its customers to realize 15-40% longer battery life with the new improvements. Increased battery life will allow users such as business travelers and movie buffs who watch DVDs on a notebook to watch more movies with the same battery.
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Can Transmeta's chips match this?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/pcworld/20030312/tc_pcworld/109606
Extra-Long Battery Life
For frequent travelers, a notebook is only as good as its battery life, and our three thin-and-light test systems with high-capacity batteries post marathon run times. The Tecra M1 lasted an eye-popping 7 hours, 6 minutes, and the IBM ThinkPad an impressive 6 hours, 33 minutes in battery tests. (Battery testing on the Dell is incomplete.)
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Things are really bad at AMD - looks like they are going "Tits Up"
http://a324.g.akamai.net/f/324/3126/1d/www.f1-live.com/photos/2003/melbourne/diapo_401.jpg
W - : It always amazes me how easy and how often they can bail themselves out of any mess...."
No mystery.
For many years, AMD has had a small "interlock" of their board of directors with that of DLJ - Donaldson Lufkin and Jenrette (bought out by Credit Suisse a fe wyears ago). Jerry Sanders conned himself on to the Board of Directors of DLJ and in turn personally placed Joe Roby - DLJ's President on to the AMD board.
DLJ then served as a prime conduit to fleece Wall Street Investors of their money and put it into Jerry Sanders wallet via bonds.
Then, AMD got Friedrich Baur of Siemens/Germany on AMD's board (Siemens once owned about 20% otf AMD) and Baur has been using his connections inside the German Banking Industry to fleece German investors and depositors and build AMD a lavish wafer fab that continually devours German Taxpayer money and produces nothing but losses and empty promises and press releases.
Once again, Jerry Sanders has proven that it's now what you know, but whom you "blow".
Joe L. Roby-Mr. Roby is the Chairman of the Executive Board of Credit Suisse First Boston (CSFB). Before Donaldson, Lufkin & Jenrette, Inc. (DLJ) was acquired by CSFB in 2000, Mr. Roby was President, Chief Executive Officer and a director of DLJ. Mr. Roby was a member of the Board of Directors of DLJ since 1989. He was appointed President of DLJ in February 1996 and Chief Executive Officer in February 1998. Mr. Roby served as the Chief Operating Officer of DLJ from November 1995 until February 1998. Previously, Mr. Roby was the Chairman of the Banking Group of Donaldson, Lufkin & Jenrette Securities Corporation, a subsidiary of DLJ, a position he had held since 1989. Mr. Roby is a member of the Board of Directors of Apogent Technologies.
Dr. Friedrich Baur-Dr. Baur is President and Managing Partner of MST Beteiligungs und Unternehmensberatungs GmbH, a German consulting firm. He has held this position since 1990. Beginning in 1953, Dr. Baur held a variety of positions of increasing responsibility with Siemens AG, retiring in 1982 as Executive Vice President and a Managing Director. He also represented Siemens AG on the Board of Directors of AMD from 1978 until 1982. From 1982 to 1990, Dr. Baur was Chairman of the Board of Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen AG.
DD - "instead of refuting my contention that Centrino is overpriced, you have tried to change the subject to Crusoe’s performance."
Intel can change the overpricing scenario of the Centrino, if there realy is one, with a simple stroke of the pen.
Transmeta, on the other hand, cannot change the performance of their lame 5800 processor by any great extent - indeed, they are stuck with that turkey until their much delayed - and most likely much more delayed - new 800 processor gets to market.
And if history proves out, these new great white hopes will be not much better than Transmeta's current lame oferings.
Of course, there is the possibility that Transmeta investors will choose to liquidate the company before it burns through its remaining cash - at a burn rate of $20,000,000 per quarter.
In fact, Transmeta burned through $112,000,000 in cash in the 12 months of 2002 - and their remaining $129,000,000 cash (as of 12/27/2002) can surely be spent in its entirety during the next 12 months.
Transmeta's sales are abysmal - and they are faced with the dire prospect of having to spend money at an even faster rate to try to accelerate sales - wafers aren't cheap and Taiwan's foundries want cash-up-front before they ship any wafers - and Transmeta's 8000 processor requires the most expenseive foundry process there is - outside of IBM, of course.
Then again, those nasty shareholder lawsuits may drain the corporate coffers dry before any of this happens.
Transmeta really needs a Hector Houdini to pawn off a few hundred million dollars of worthless bond offerings to some fresh Wall Street suckers - like AMD's Hector Houdini repeatedly does.
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AMD - "Out With The Old BS, In With The New"
A very astute assessment of AMD's screwed up Hammer program.
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http://www.overclockers.com/articles703/
"Out With The Old BS, In With The New"
Ed Stroligo - 2/8/03
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There's an interview with some AMD honchos over at c't, and it's essentially what the title says.
AMD has apparently decided that they can't BS anymore about their manufacturing problems like they did less than a month ago (talk about being used). So now they've been admitting both in the c't article and here.
I guess it finally dawned on them that people can still blame them for no product even if they don't know why there's no product.
It's much better to blame someone else for that, and AMD looks like it found an ideal bogey man: Microsoft.
Now the line is, "Oh, we're all ready, it's just those slugs in Redmond that are depriving the world of our revolutionary new product."
I must admit, this replacement appears to be far higher-quality BS. If they can pull this one off, this will approach Intel devaluing the worth of a MHz in the PIV design, then having people blaming AMD for PR ratings.
So long as MS doesn't come up with the product, AMD has an excuse for not coming out with the product that they can't be blamed for. If September rolls around and there's no Windows x86-64, just delay again thanks to those dead slugs at Microsoft.
What's MS going to do? They aren't going to stop development and leave that market wide open to the Linux people. If they stall a bit to show their disapproval, it really does make them look like slugs.
They probably won't speed up development because that will make them look like AMD's servants (and converting all those Windows files and drivers from 32 to 64-bit is a ton of donkey work).
So they'll probably ignore AMD's comments and get the product out sometime in 2004 as they initially planned. Which will make AMD perfectly happy because that's just what they want to happen.
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A Twisted Web They Weave
From every indication out there, AMD can't make PIV-beating Athlon64s right now. Period.
If they could make Athlon64s that could run as fast as the latest Athlons, we wouldn't be hearing diddlysquat about Microsoft; AMD would be cranking Athlon64s out.
Remember, Athlon64s were supposed to beat PIVs in 32-bit mode. That was the big selling point a while back: You could keep all your old software and OSs and stuff and still get world-class performance, and when you decide to go 64-bit, you get a performance bonus.
Remember that?
If there were really something to this 64-bit OS stuff, you'd think AMD would delay the server Opterons, too. After all, it is servers that can use 64-bit right away, if only to increase the amount of memory that can be directly accessed (and keep in mind that only big servers use that kind of memory).
True, there are 64-bit Linuxes around, and it's a much more level playing field between Linux and Windows than there is on the desktop, but I'm sure a very hefty chunk of Opteron servers will begin life running 32-bit Windows server OSs.
Well, things didn't work out that way, and AMD's partnership with IBM indicates that this is no small problem with an easy fix. IBM isn't blowing the doors off the GHz barriers with its SOI chips, either.
Even if the two companies' scientists come up with a quick solution, it's hard to see how such a find could be taken out of the lab and into finished products before the fall, which is just what AMD is saying at the moment.
You need SOI to build a .13 Hammer, otherwise the damn things would melt. Maybe SOI won't be so necessary at .09 micron, and I'd lay money AMD has looked or is looking into an SOI-less .09 Hammer as a contingency plan if SOI falls on its face.
Even if you need SOI for .09; holding off until .09 gives the scientists more time to come up with something.
So what appears to be really happening is that AMD is trying to get its SOI act together, blaming Microsoft for the delays, and using the nonexistent Windows x86-64 as camouflage to hide the nonexistent Athlon64s.
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The Mighty Mouse Scenario
An added bonus to all this is that AMD can drop this excuse the moment they don't need it anymore, and make themselves look even better than they would otherwise.
Let's assume the IBM/AMD scientists figure these SOI problems out quickly and AMD can come up with product before MS does.
AMD can then come up with the product they were supposed to make in the first place and say, "Oh my God! Aren't we amazing? Our brilliant geniuses were able to come up with a killer product despite those slugs at Redmond!!"
And if you have the memory retention of dynamic RAM with the power turned off, like most people, you'll probably believe it.
What If MS Hurries Up?
The worst thing that could happen to AMD is MS deciding to screw them by getting the product AMD wants from them out faster.
Reread that sentence. If that's the worst that can happen, how bad can that be?
If Windows x86-64 shows up early, in all likelihood, both server and desktop versions will become available. That increases the potential Opteron server market.
If Windows x86-64 shows up early, it will give enough of a performance boost to even current Hammers for AMD to proclaim if they'd like that they have a PIV-beater in 64-bit mode. If AMD manages to fix the real problem in the meantime, that's just gravy. Then they can say Athlon64 beat PIVs in one ad, and say Athlons64 destroy PIVs in 64-bit mode in another.
At absolute worst, people will realize this is all a scam. But it's unlikely MS will hurry up that much, and even if they do, AMD still ends up with a 64-bit OS to show for it.
Sounds Great To Me; What's The Downside?
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Sounds Great To Me; What's The Problem?
It's hard to admire scam when you're the one being scammed.
Specifically, the Prince of Darkness at Redmond doesn't have the memory retention of dynamic RAM with the power turned off. He and his cohorts will remember this one.
How would you feel if somebody manuevered you into getting blamed for something that wasn't your fault and made you look like crap?
Now imagine you are Bill Gates and the Microsoft heavies.
Would you like to be the person who did that?
More generally, AMD seems clueless as to why they can't sell to people and businesses with money, those who don't see only dollars.
Someone who is responsible for buying a thousand computers or servers has to look at more than the price tag. He's not buying computers, he's putting his career on the line because he's putting his company on the line. This isn't like buying a million paper clips.
Such people look at a supplier and say, "Can I rely on these people to come through for me?" It's not the product; it's the company.
This is something Intel knows down to the marrow of its bones. So much of the way Intel runs its business is simply meant to say and resay to its customers, "We're solid. We're reliable. We won't blind-side you, and if technology makes us change things, you'll get plenty of warning about it. You can plan with us." At the business level, Intel isn't selling product, it's selling a relationship.
And AMD does not comprehend that. In comparison to Intel, they run the company by the seat of their pants, and their operative motto seems to be "whatever gets us through the night."
I mean, really, when did Intel ever delay a processor coming out and blamed someone else for it?
Granted, none of these things matter much compared to the price tag when you're playing Quake, or the choice is an AMD server or no server at all.
But when you get to serious business with serious money at stake, it's death. That's why AMD has negligible big business market share, and antics like these just reinforce the image of a not-too-serious company selling to not-too-serious users.
Email Ed
This ought to toast the nuts off the AMD crowd.
Didn't they think NVIDIA was AMD's own private serf or something like that?
I guess AMD Athlons and NVIDIA chip sets were too slow to use for NVIDIA's new design center.
Hardy Har Har.
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February 05, 2003 10:00
RackSaver Installs Massive SuperComputer Cluster at 3D Graphics Leader NVIDIA Corp.
SAN DIEGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 5, 2003--
NVIDIA Harnessing the Power of Over 600 RackSaver(R) SuperComputing
Nodes to Design the World's Most Powerful Graphics Processors
RackSaver, a leader in the industry of high-density supercomputer clusters, today announced a significant installation of its server products at 3D graphics leader NVIDIA(R) Corp.
The seven-cabinet RackSaver RS-1200 chassis-based systems selected by NVIDIA boast a total of over one thousand Intel(R) Pentium(R) III and Pentium 4 processors: Four 96-node cabinets featuring 192 Intel Pentium III processors and three 96-node cabinets featuring 96 Intel Pentium 4 processors. Each node occupies a scant 1U of rack space, delivering incredible performance density.
"NVIDIA Corporation is a market leader in the 3D graphics industry and it's always rewarding when your team and products are selected by such a leader," said David Driggers, RackSaver CEO. "The folks at NVIDIA know that they have acquired some of the most advanced equipment available for use in their chip designs. They also know that they can rest easy because of our product's proven performance, reliability, and our `always-on' customer support."
About RackSaver Inc.
RackSaver(R) Inc. is a world-class provider of high-density individual rack-mounted computer servers, supercomputer clusters, high-density computing solutions, computing systems as well as other software integration services. The company's state of the art servers and supercomputer clusters primarily utilize the Linux operating systems, the fastest growing segments of the server market. The company also offers servers with the Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP and 2000 operating systems. RackSaver's management team has over 30 years of experience in server design and manufacturing. RackSaver has been installing supercomputer clusters for the past four years. The company's systems are sold primarily to Fortune 2000 companies, universities, major research institutions, Internet service providers, and research & development entities. RackSaver has been based in San Diego for over 10 years and its committed to providing custom and turnkey solutions for virtually any market needing high-performance computing power at the lowest possible cost. To learn more about RackSaver and its unique supercomputing cluster solutions, visit http://www.racksaver.com or call 858/874-3800.
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Wonder why HP’s new Tablet isn’t going to be using Centrino…
No wonder at all.
HP-Compaq is merely trying to protect their investment.
HP is a part owner of Transmeta - by virtue of their (HPs) acquisition) of Compaq Computer.
Wouldn't you lean toward buying "your own" components ?
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Transmeta wins $88 million from AOL, others
By Stephen Shankland
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
April 24, 2000, 11:20 a.m. PT
URL: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1751530.html
update Transmeta, which aims to take on Intel in the processor market, announced that it has received $88 million in funding from America Online, Gateway, Compaq Computer, Sony and several major Taiwanese electronics manufacturers in a deal that could lead to an initial public offering later this year.
Transmeta came out of hiding with great fanfare in January, unveiling two chips that the company promises will offer dramatically longer battery life for use in laptops and portable Internet devices. The chips also are compatible with Windows and applications written for the PC, as well as Linux.
Today's funding addresses the concern of analysts who noted in January the conspicuous lack of customers for Transmeta's chips.
"It's a pretty impressive list," said MicroDesign Resources analyst Keith Diefendorff. "It indicates a vote of confidence for the Transmeta approach."
So far, only relatively small companies such as S3 have announced that they will use Transmeta's processors in their Internet appliances. Today's investments indicate that the technology elite see a future for the company's chips.
Transmeta executives also indicated that deals with large manufacturers are in the works.
"The systems are in development," said Jim Chapman, vice president of sales and marketing. "The major product releases will happen around mid-year."
In addition, the recent investment round is likely an indication that the company plans to go public this year. In February, chief executive Dave Ditzel said that the company might seek a final round of financing this year. Another round of financing, sources said at the time, could be seen as a prelude to an IPO.
"We're not really trying to tee up the specific dates on an IPO," Chapman said. "We have not started the (investment) banker evaluation as of this date."
Although no products were announced with the investments, some of the companies investing in Transmeta today have products coming out that seem to be appropriate vehicles for Transmeta's products. Gateway and AOL, for instance, plan on releasing Internet appliances and Web pads late this year. The two companies have relationships with other chip vendors, however; boxes for AOL TV, for instance, are already slated to use chips from Via Technologies and Intel.
Several major laptop makers--notably Dell and Toshiba--didn't make an appearance in this round of funding, said Dataquest analyst Mike McGuire.
"It's interesting that the larger guys aren't in there," he said. "They may not want to get in there early.
"They may have questions of volume," he added, referring to whether Transmeta will be able to ramp up chip production fast enough.
IBM also was not named as an investor today, but the company already has a strong relationship with Transmeta; it will manufacture the company's chips.
The Taiwanese manufacturers that invested in Transmeta include Compal Electronics, Quanta Computer and First International Computer, a company associated with Via. Samsung and Phoenix Technologies also invested.
The corporate partners invested $72 million in Transmeta, the company said. A further $16 million came from existing investors, including Soros Fund Management, Paul Allen's Vulcan Ventures, Tudor Investment, Van Waggoner Capital Management, Invemed Associates, Five Points Capital and Deutsche Bank.
Transmeta took a different approach to cloning Intel chips than have other companies, such as AMD or National Semiconductor. Transmeta relies on "code-morphing software" to translate instructions an Intel chip can understand into instructions the Transmeta chip can understand. The method is faster than traditional emulation because the instructions, once translated, are stored for later use, the company said.
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In addition, Transmeta has developed "LongRun," a combination of hardware and software that monitors the system to throttle back CPU usage and therefore power consumption as much as possible.
Questions were raised about the performance of Transmeta's combination software-hardware approach at a recent Microprocessor Forum event. But Diefendorff said it appears the technology will be good enough.
"We still have not seen benchmarks and those kinds of things that quantify the specifics, but within some range, I'm pretty confident they'll do what they say they'll do," Diefendorff said. A Transmeta-powered laptop currently has the performance of the fastest Intel-powered laptop running on battery power, Chapman said.
The long-term question for Transmeta is whether Intel, AMD, IBM or some other company could come up with comparable technology. "If Intel really sees Transmeta as some kind of significant market-share threat, what could it do in response that would make Transmeta more miserable? That's unknown at this point," Diefendorff said
Intel released its SpeedStep system in January, under which portable computers run faster when plugged in but become more efficient with power when unplugged. "It's pretty lame power-modulating technology compared to LongRun or even with what we hear AMD is coming up with for their processors," Diefendorff said. However, he noted, Intel is working on a second-generation successor to SpeedStep that's more sophisticated.
Transmeta ties with IBM could give it an edge with future products, Diefendorff said. "Transmeta, by using the IBM fab (chip factory), could potentially soon have access to silicon-on-insulator technology, which would be an additional pretty significant power saving," Diefendorff said.
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All I *am* saying is that when a ranking officer sells a very large block of shares at a time when the stock is at or near a multi-year low, it sends a signal to some investors that the officer might believe that the stock is headed still lower
OK
Let's extend your argument - shall we?
"All I *am* saying is that when a ranking officer sells a very large block of shares at a time when the stock is at or near a multi-year high, it sends a signal to some investors that the officer might believe that the stock is headed still lower"
Right?
So -when does an officer sell?
At a low - youclaim the stock will go lower.
If he sells at a "high", you'll be back here shouting at the top pf your longs that said office is sending a signal that the "TOP IS HERE" - and the stock is heading lower.
Get over it - Otellini just exercised an option that netted him a good chunk of money in return for staying with Intel for 10 additional years and helping Intel become the world's largest and most dominaant semiconductor manufacturer on the planet.
The stock option and end results achieve their purpose.
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Barrett acquired 512,000 shares by exercising stock options, at $2.81 a share
This Barrett acqusition/exercise and Otellini's exercise and sell (exercised at $3.41) are quite simple to understand when you analyze how Barrett and otellini got these options at those prices.
Checking historical quotes for Intel on Yahoo, Intel's stock price was last at those levels ($2.81 - $3.41) in late 1992 and January 1993.
I believe Intel can only give options to employees at fair market value, so these options had to have been granted in the late 1992-early 1993 time frame. Intel has been above those values ever since.
Options are usually granted with a staggered vesting period - so much per cent over so many years - and I would guess that full vesting would have occurred 5 years from the time of the grants.
Further, once fully vested, most companies put a time limit of around 5 years from the date of full vesting, after which the options expire completely and cannot be exercised.
This results in a 10 year time frame from the option grant date - at which the options will expire if not exercised.
Since late 1992 to early 1993 was just that - 10 years ago - and the strike prices ($2.81 and $3.41) were the last time Intel was selling for those prices, one must conclude that these stock option exercises are for stock options granted 10 years ago.
Otellini and Barrett are simply exercising 10 year old options (from grant date) that would have otherwise expired this month.
This is not the "bail-out-of-insiders" that some amd fanatics would have you believe.
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AMD Barton 2500+...Essentially, the benchmarks show there are applications where the extra cache does come in useful, but the overall performance increase isn't great.
Geez - AMD increases the die size of the athlon to make barton - and they end up 300 quantihurtz slower (vs. 2800+) than the Athlon XP2800+.
Plus, they now have a larger, more expensive device - with slower speed.
Couple that with their expensive, low yielding quite slow SOI process with only 1.4 and 1.6 GHz opterons, and you have AMD in Reverse.
AMD is going backwards.
Doesn't Ruiz get paid enough to realize this?
Or is Ruiz responsible?
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Intel gets major Xeon and itanium design wins from AMD's Japan partner - Fujitsu.
This says volumes about Fujitsu's commitment to AMD.
As noted in the article below, SUN Microsystems is also going to feel the effect of this Intel-Fujitsu relationship.
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Sun's pal Fujitsu to adopt Intel chips
By Michael Kanellos
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
January 23, 2003, 6:30 PM PT
http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981948.html
Fujitsu announced Thursday it is joining forces with Intel on a new line of Linux-based servers and mainframe computers, in move that should stoke the ongoing server war.
The Japanese computing giant plans to come out with dual-processor and multiprocessor servers containing Intel's Xeon chips by the end of 2004. A year after that, it expects to release an Itanium-based mainframe-class system that can hold up to 128 processors.
In addition, the chipmaker and Fujitsu will collaborate on creating a version of the Linux open-source operating system optimized for Fujitsu systems--especially for its large multiprocessing machines.
Over time, the shift toward Intel will likely impact longtime Fujitsu ally Sun Microsystems. With a few exceptions, the Japanese company's servers are built around Solaris--Sun's Unix operating system--and a version of the Sparc RISC chip made by Fujitsu that is similar to Sun's UltraSparc. (Fujitsu-Siemens, a separate joint venture between the two industrialists, sells Intel-based servers in Europe.)
While Fujitsu will continue to sell and develop Sparc/Solaris servers, some of the company's energy will inevitably be diverted toward the new Intel/Linux effort. Jack Hirano, a spokesman for Fujitsu, characterized the upcoming Intel/Linux servers one of the three legs of its server strategy--the other two being the existing Primepower server line and GS mainframe line.
The new Intel servers will be capable of running other operating systems, including Microsoft's Windows, in addition to Linux, said Hirano. Both Fujitsu's Primepower and GS lines come with Solaris.
Sun's collaboration with Fujitsu has allowed it to more deeply penetrate certain markets--such as Japan--and given the company a high-profile partner to tout its technology.
"(Fujitsu is) out there evangelizing Sparc and Solaris. From that perspective, Sun wants them around," said David Freund, an analyst at consulting firm Illuminata. "The fact that they still have a Sparc-based roadmap indicates they still have a strong commitment to the Sparc area, but because they have a broad customer base, they have to embrace the other (Intel) processor."
Fujitsu also represents an incremental revenue stream for Sun. Not only does the company license Solaris, but it also has many of its servers made by Sun then sold under the Fujitsu name, said Shahin Khan, chief competitive officer at Sun.
Khan nonetheless downplayed the impact of the deal. "They are kind of a 'me-too' player," he said, with regard to Fujitsu's technology. "They are putting Sparc into areas where (UltraSparc) is not going."
Reaching high
The new deal also marks Intel's further expansion into the upper echelons of the server market. Although more than 80 percent of servers shipped worldwide contain Intel chips, most of these are one- and two-processor boxes running Windows or Linux, according to various research firms. Over half of the revenue in the global market derives from Unix servers, which typically contain chips such as Sun's UltraSparc or IBM's Power4 and can sell for a million or more dollars.
Intel, though, is gaining ground in the four- and eight-processor server segment, which has lead to a bitter feud between it and Sun.
"Itanium is the most expensive disaster in the history of high technology," said Khan of Intel's high-end server chip. For their part, Intel executives often bring up Sun as an example of a company that will be a has-been in the near future.
Fujitsu had been one of the last major manufacturers not to actively sell Intel-based servers--IBM, Hewlett-Packard and Dell Computer, for instance, all include them in their lineups. However, Fujitsu has previously embraced Intel in other areas of its business, such as its PC operation.
Sun, a bitter rival of Intel, has sold low-cost servers containing processors from Intel or Advanced Micro Devices for years, but it does not emphasize them. In addition, Sun released a version of Solaris 9 for Intel servers, which it killed last year, then revived again after customers objected.
Cray, the supercomputing pioneer that sells equipment to Sandia National Laboratory and other scientific customers, remains one of the few companies not selling any Intel-based computers.
As for the Linux collaboration between Fujitsu and Intel, more than 300 Fujitsu engineers will be placed into a new Linux division formed for the joint effort. Much of the joint Linux work will focus on improving reliability and manageability on multiprocessing systems.
"While some people say Linux is already there, some other say believe improvements need to me made," said Richard Dracott, senior director of Intel's enterprise marketing group.
Intel's itanium continues to get major software support from critical business software developers.
Must be something in the itanium that these big guys like.
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January 22, 2003 13:18
BMC Software Announces Support of Intel(R) Itanium(R)-Based Systems
Leading Enterprise Management Solution PATROL(R) Successfully Tested on New Platform
HOUSTON, Jan. 22 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ --
Editor's Summary:
BMC Software today announced:
-- Its support for Intel's Itanium-based platforms.
-- It has successfully completed testing of the core components of PATROL,
its leading enterprise management solution, on the Itanium platform.
-- The company will support Intel's Itanium processors by engineering its
PATROL application portfolio to support the architecture and Itanium-
supported operating systems and applications as they become available
providing BMC Software customers with the benefits of new technologies
with minimum disruption to their business.
BMC Software, Inc. (NYSE: BMC), a leader in enterprise management, today announced its support of Intel(R) Itanium(R)-based platforms. To demonstrate its support, BMC Software has successfully tested the core components of its leading enterprise management solution, PATROL(R), with Intel Itanium 2-based systems. PATROL by BMC Software provides continuous service level improvements for a customer's enterprise by setting service levels, managing availability, measuring response time, minimizing downtime, increasing performance, predicting growth and reporting against Service Level Agreements (SLAs).
BMC Software's Vice President and General Manager of Enterprise Systems Management, Calvin Guidry, states that BMC Software has been working closely with Intel to provide support of Intel's Itanium 2 processors by engineering its PATROL portfolio to support the architecture and Itanium-compatible operating systems and applications as they become available. Guidry commented that the company will continue to work closely with Intel to deliver enterprise solutions that address customers' most demanding business-critical requirements, including cost-effective proactive management of BMC Software customers' IT investments. He added that BMC Software will increasingly combine the strengths of both companies to help mutual customers take advantage of the latest technology from Intel, while at the same time leveraging plans for Itanium 2-based systems in current IT investments, migration tools and services.
Tony Massimini, chief of technology for Semico Research Corp., foresees the Itanium line from Intel as making major inroads into the enterprise market, such as application servers. "Intel has already firmly established the Xeon, Pentium III and Pentium 4 MPUs into the low-end and mid-range server space. Itanium is an important step for Intel to expand its business into more lucrative areas," said Massimini. "Recently, Intel has accelerated the roadmap for Itanium. Before commencing with commercial shipments, Intel invested about two years into application development with prototype systems in order to build a strong software foundation for Itanium. By working with Intel, BMC is addressing an important high growth market." Semico Research Corp. is a semiconductor market research and consulting company located in Phoenix, Arizona (www.semico.com ).
BMC Software tested several PATROL solutions on Intel's Itanium 2-based systems including BMC Software's recently announced new console -- PATROL Central Operators - Windows Edition, PATROL Agent 3.5, Perform Agent 6.6, OS Knowledge Module (KM), Oracle KM, and the PATROL Console Server 7.2. The tests showed a 225 percent performance improvement of transaction throughput as well as a 26 percent reduction in CPU utilization.
"We believe that the Itanium processor family-based systems will be one of the fastest growing enterprise computing platforms used by many of our current customers and prospects," said Guidry. "We are committed to supporting all leading enterprise hardware platforms and we look forward to taking further advantage of the power of the Itanium processor family in future releases of our solutions. The combination of BMC's powerful PATROL solutions with Itanium 2-based systems will give our mutual customers exceptional application performance and availability."
"Intel is committed to enterprise computing and we are confident that the Itanium processor family is a significant step forward in lowering the cost of computing in a large environment while improving performance," said Will Swope, vice president and general manager, Software and Solutions Group, Intel Corporation. "BMC Software and Intel share a common vision of providing enterprise environments with optimal performance at the lowest total cost. We are pleased to have worked with BMC to ensure that their leading enterprise systems management software runs seamlessly on our top tier systems and we look forward to working with BMC on future releases of our respective solutions."
"This announcement will be seen as a real plus for Intel and BMC Software customers as it helps them to meet the demanding service management performance needs of today's competitive marketplace," said Richard L. Ptak, Principal at Ptak & Associates. "Obtaining a positive return on investment remains a critical success factor in today's business environment. These complementary actions by BMC and Intel will aid customers in doing just that."
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Do we know you by another handle?
I used to post on the Ragingbull as Labman.
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AMD is indeed walking away from UMC...
Now you're getting the picture.
AMD is leaving a trail of dead agreements in their wake - with DEC, then IBM, then Motorola, then UMC, and now...back to IBM.
This is a desperate act by a desperate company that is in dire financial straights.
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Maybe IBM is seeing AMD results with SOI and want to partner cause they are impressed with the yeild.
Sure. You may be the only one to believe this.
http://news.com.com/2100-1001-979718.html?tag=fd_top
"Integrating SOI has been a problem for AMD, according to analysts. The company was going to include SOI in an upcoming chip called Barton, but it removed the technology and delayed the chip. Until now, AMD was obtaining its SOI technology from Motorola. Motorola could not be reached for comment. "
Actuallly, AMD and IBM have the same problem with SOI. Both have poured hunderds of millions of dollars into SOI development and IBM can only get a 0.13 micron/SOI/Copper up to 1.3 GHz Power4 CPU - and AMD can only get a 1.4 GHz Opteron CPU on a 0.13 micron SOI/9-layer copper process.
My guess is that AMD and IBM are joining forces to figure out how to survive in the technology development arena- when they are constantly outclassed by Intel's development prowess - whic is producing in volume 3.06 GHz processors on a 0.13 micron process without the expensive, yield-reducing SOI process.
IBM is in it only for the money - don't kid yourself.
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Are you saying that AMD cannot partner with both IBM and UMC?
You think IBM wants its technology to go out the front door with AMD employees and into UMC's backdoor by other AMD employees?
What has most likely happened is that AMD was required to pony up about $500,000,000 to UMC to help pay for the 300 mm wafer fab in Singapore that was part of their "deal".
AMD has realized that they cannot afford to part with $500 million in cash - on top of the fact that their CPU volume is in steep decline.
Thus, they are trying to conserve capital (all of it borrowed, at this point) and get out from under a severe overcapacity situation in the future should they end up with partial ownership of a huge fab that will not be needed due to declining AMD CPU volumes.
With IBM, I assume AMD will "pay as they go" for joint development costs, incurring a smaller negative cah flow and reducing the possibility of a huge $500,000,000 payout to UMC.
On top of this, I'd guess that AMD worked for over a year with UMCs technology - and finally came to the conclusion that Elmer did over a year ago - it (UMCs technology) is unacceptable for high performance SOTA CPUs.
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Here's AMD's UMC Press release from a year ago - sounds very similar to today's IBM release - except for the 300 MM deal.
Oh well, another year, another partner and another old partner pushed aside.
I guess AMD won't be getting in to 300 MM wafers in the next 3 or 4 years.
Thursday January 31, 5:16 pm Eastern Time
Press Release
SOURCE: AMD
AMD and UMC to Collaborate on 300-mm Wafer Fabrication Facility in Singapore
Companies will Work Together on Technology Development and State-of-the-Art Manufacturing
SUNNYVALE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 31, 2002--AMD and UMC today announced a comprehensive alliance under which the two companies will establish a joint venture to own and operate a state-of-the-art, 300-mm wafer fabrication facility in Singapore for high-volume production of PC processors and other logic products. AMD and UMC also announced plans to collaborate in the development of advanced process technologies for semiconductor logic products. AMD and UMC separately announced a foundry agreement under which UMC will produce PC processors to augment AMD's Dresden Fab 30 production capacity for devices produced on 130-nanometer and smaller-geometry technology.
AMD and UMC will form a joint venture known as AU Pte Ltd. to own and operate the Singapore facility. The two companies expect to begin commercial production in the joint venture facility on 65-nanometer technology in mid-2005.
``Today's agreement reflects an innovative response to the tectonic shift that has changed the fundamental economics of the worldwide semiconductor industry,'' said W.J. Sanders III, chairman and chief executive officer of AMD. ``The advent of 300mm manufacturing ushers in a new era for the semiconductor industry. Megafabs capable of producing complex semiconductor devices in huge volume on advanced process technologies will deliver significant economic benefits, but also entail significant investment that demands efficient use of capital. In this new competitive environment, I believe strategic alliances between leading companies will be the wave of the future.''
``This is the first agreement under which a premier foundry company joins forces in a broadly unified partnership with a leading integrated device manufacturer,'' said Robert Tsao, chairman and chief executive officer of UMC. ``I expect our collaboration will set the example for success between pure-play foundries and leading semiconductor manufacturers. In the emerging arena of 300-mm manufacturing, the traditional boundaries between these two types of companies will blur as we move toward closer collaboration. Our respective customers around the world will benefit as we join forces to develop leading-edge technology and drive down manufacturing costs through rapid, cost-effective implementation of the most advanced process technologies and manufacturing practices.''
``It is time to revisit the basic business model in the semiconductor industry,'' said Hector de J. Ruiz, president and chief operating officer of AMD. ``Flexibility and timing are still the keys to success - but the way to optimize these has fundamentally changed.
``In the era of 300-mm manufacturing, flexibility will be an increasingly important success metric. A 300-mm megafab can achieve cost savings of substantially more than 30 percent compared to today's 200-mm manufacturing facilities. The key to realizing these savings, however, is creating the kind of operational flexibility necessary to maximize utilization rates,'' said Ruiz. ``By joining forces with UMC, we expect to achieve utilization rates that could become a benchmark for the industry.''
Ruiz also said that the joint venture with UMC will enable AMD to make the transition to 300-mm manufacturing at precisely the right time. ``One of the important benefits of working with UMC on technology development is that we will gain immediate access to an existing 300-mm wafer fab for R&D activities,'' said Ruiz. ``In the next few years, we expect to require substantial additional production capacity. We believe the optimum time for us to make the transition to high-volume production on 300-mm wafers is in the mid-2005 time frame when we expect to be starting production on the 65-nanometer node.
By working together with UMC on technology development for 300-mm manufacturing, we expect to achieve a very smooth transition,`` said Ruiz.
Ruiz also cited a process technology development collaboration between AMD and Motorola as a model for future joint efforts with industry-leading partners.
``Our activities with UMC will closely parallel the way we have worked with Motorola,'' said Ruiz. ``With Motorola, we have shown we can maintain a leadership position in critical process technology while controlling technology development costs. The truly extraordinary results of our Fab 30 in Dresden show that geographically distributed development teams can deliver results that exceed our expectations, as well as those of our customers,'' Ruiz concluded.
About AMD
AMD is a global supplier of integrated circuits for the personal and networked computer and communications markets with manufacturing facilities in the United States, Europe, Japan, and Asia. AMD, a Fortune 500 and Standard & Poor's 500 company, produces microprocessors, flash memory devices, and support circuitry for communications and networking applications. Founded in 1969 and based in Sunnyvale, California, AMD had revenues of $3.9 billion in 2001. (NYSE: AMD - news). AMD can be found on the web at http://www.amd.com.
About UMC
UMC (NYSE: UMC, TSE: 2303) is a world-leading semiconductor foundry that manufactures advanced process ICs for applications spanning every major sector of the semiconductor industry. UMC delivers the cutting-edge foundry technologies that enable sophisticated system-on-chip (SOC) designs, including 0.13-micron copper/low k, embedded DRAM, and mixed signal/RFCMOS. In addition, UMC is a leader in 300mm manufacturing with three 300mm fabs strategically located worldwide to serve our global customer base: Trecenti Technologies in Japan, Fab 12A in Taiwan, and UMCi in Singapore (completion in 2002). UMC employs over 8,500 people worldwide and has offices in Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Europe, and the United States. UMC can be found on the web at http://www.umc.com.
AMD, the AMD logo, and combinations thereof are trademarks of Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Other product names used in this publication are for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective companies.
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Contact:
AMD
Strategic Communications
John Greenagel, 408/749-3310
john.greenagel@amd.com
or
UMC
KJ Communications
Eileen Elam, 650/917-1488
kjcome@cs.com
or
In Taiwan:
UMC
Alex Hinnawi, 886/ 2-2700-6999 ext. 6958
alex_hinnawi@umc.com
AMD effectively dumps all projects with UMC on future process development - and now jumps into bed with IBM.
I wonder how much of a write-off AMD will take on their UMC investment?
More shareholder money down the tubes.
Press Release Source: AMD
AMD and IBM to Jointly Develop Advanced Chip Technologies
Wednesday January 8, 12:35 pm ET
SUNNYVALE, CALIF. and EAST FISHKILL, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 8, 2003--AMD (NYSE: AMD - News) and IBM (NYSE: IBM - News) today announced the two companies have entered into an agreement to jointly develop chip-making technologies for use in future high-performance products.
The new processes, developed by AMD and IBM, will be aimed at improving microprocessor performance and reducing power consumption, and will be based on advanced structures and materials such as high-speed silicon-on-insulator (SOI) transistors, copper interconnects and improved "low-k dielectric" insulation.
The agreement includes collaboration on 65 and 45nm (nanometer; a billionth of a meter) technologies to be implemented on 300mm (millimeter) silicon wafers.
"We are set to commence production of our 90nm solutions in the fourth quarter of 2003, so we are now expanding process-technology development efforts for our next generation of processors targeted at 65nm and below," said Bill Siegle, senior vice president, technology operations and chief scientist at AMD. "By collaborating with an industry leader like IBM, AMD can deliver industry-leading performance and functionality for our customers while reducing the rapidly escalating cost of technology development."
AMD and IBM will be able to use the jointly-developed technologies to manufacture products in their own chip fabrication facilities and in conjunction with selected manufacturing partners. The companies expect first products based on the new 65nm technologies to appear in 2005.
"Today's marketplace demands the most advanced chip designs and materials technologies," said Bijan Davari, IBM Fellow and vice president, technology and emerging products, IBM Microelectronics Division. "Our work with AMD is all about speeding our joint technologies into products, and helping reduce the time-to-market for customers."
The development will be supported by AMD and IBM engineers working together in IBM's Semiconductor Research and Development Center (SRDC) in IBM's East Fishkill, N.Y. facility. Work is expected to begin by January 30, 2003.
About AMD
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IBM Microelectronics is a key contributor to IBM's role as the world's premier information technology supplier. IBM Microelectronics develops, manufactures and markets state-of-the-art semiconductor, ASIC and interconnect technologies, products and services. Its superior integrated solutions can be found in many of the world's best-known electronic brands.
IBM is a recognized innovator in the chip industry, having been first with advances like more power-efficient copper wiring in place of aluminum, faster silicon-on-insulator (SOI) and silicon germanium transistors, and improved low-k dielectric insulation between chip wires. These and other innovations have contributed to IBM's standing as the number one U.S. patent holder for nine consecutive years. More information about IBM Microelectronics can be found at: http://www.ibm.com/chips.
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Microsoft likes Athlon-64 and Opteron A LOT -- enough to have worked with AMD (and only AMD) to make a 64-bit version of Windows that works in 64-bit mode only with AMD processors.
From what planet dod this Bob Cringely just arrive?
Microsoft has only one 64 bit operating system for sale - and it runs on Intel Itanium processors ONLY.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/overview.asp
Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Overview
Posted: May 29, 2001
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Windows XP 64-Bit Technical Overview
Microsoft has introduced its first 64-bit client operating system, Windows® XP 64-Bit Edition, to meet the demands of specialized, technical workstation users who require large amounts of memory and floating point performance in areas such as movie special effects, 3D animation, engineering and scientific applications.
Performance Benefits for Specialized, Technical Applications
The performance of 64-bit computing offers advantages in fields such as automobile or airplane design, by allowing engineers to create larger, more complex models. With such systems, engineers can use simulation software to analyze the effects of airflow, stress, and heat on materials of a car or plane, and then study the results to improve product design. Likewise, 64-bit computing is a benefit for digital content creators, including 3D animators, digital artists, and game developers who can significantly reduce the time spent to digitally render three-dimensional models. Also, in financial applications, 64-bit computing provides the calculation speeds with large sets of data necessary to analyze market trends, set pricing, and execute trades in real time.
Very Large Memory Support, Familiar Windows Desktop
Windows XP 64-Bit Edition will run on the Intel® ItaniumTM processor as the platform for workstation users who are reaching the memory limits of 32-bit systems. The key difference between 32-bit and 64-bit Windows XP-based computing lies in the 64-bit version’s ability to use much more system memory. Windows XP 64-Bit Edition will initially support up to 16 gigabytes of RAM and up to eight terabytes of virtual memory. Physical memory support will grow in the future as hardware capabilities expand. Data in memory is accessed thousands of times faster than it is on a disk drive, offering a tremendous performance benefit for applications that are developed to use this greater system memory. In addition, Windows XP 64-Bit Edition has been designed to take advantage of the superior floating point capabilities of the Itanium processor.
One Desktop for Technical and Business Applications
Windows XP 64-Bit Edition will provide a single desktop for technical and business applications, eliminating the need for technical workstation users to maintain a PC for business applications and a separate workstation for high-end technical applications. Most Windows-compatible 32-bit applications will run “as is” in a subsystem of Windows XP 64-Bit Edition. Workstation users can take advantage of rich integration capabilities and productivity tools on the Windows platform. Designers can build a model and easily share it with others in the company, copying it in to a Word document for the finance group or adding it to a PowerPoint slide deck for the marketing team. If you use only 32-bit applications and work with data sets not larger than 2GB, you will find that 32-bit, Windows XP Professional is the best desktop system for your applications.
Windows XP 64-Bit Edition systems can be added to existing Windows-based networks and managed alongside 32-bit systems with the same administrative tools, making life easier for the IT department. Overhead costs for maintaining and administering two systems are reduced.
Joe - You made a claim last week about HP Compaq committing to use AMD's Opteron - and I asked you to document this claim - which I believe is false.
Why do you continue to evade the issue?
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spokeshave - the "hammer" benchmarks are for a "hammer" with 1 megabyte of L2 cache.
Assuming that the clawhammer and Opteron, which also has a 1 megabyte L2 cache, have comprabale die sizes, that puts the clawhammer at roughly 180 sq. mm. in die size.
For the past year, AMD has been losing megadollars while shipping 104 sq. mm - 120 sq. mm Athlons based on a simpler process - with only 7 metal layers and no SOI and no low K insulators.
The issue that AMD faces with the clawhammer at 1 meg L2 cache is die size that is huge (180 sq. mm.) compared to a standard Pentium 4 - 131 sq. mm. - where Intel has been quite profitable.
The more expensive process with lower yields and a horrendous dies size for the clawhammer will drive AMD's losses into even bigger losses by virtue of bad yields being driven to poor yields.
With AMD losing money on small die Athlons, they will lose a larger fortune if they try to comete with a 180 sq. mm clawhammer heads up against Intel's smaller die products.
On the other hand, if AMD elects to go with a 256K l2 cache for clawhammer, the performance will suck air and be blown out of the water by Intel's offerings.
AMD is between a rock and a bigger rock.
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You overstate the case somewhat because most buyers of corporate bonds and convertible securities are relatively sophisticated institutional investors.
Oh, sure they are.
These are the sophisticated customers of JP Morgan that bought those wonderful ENRON bonds - right?
And thse are the same sophistcated customers of Citibank/Smith Barney that took Jack Grubman's sage advice and bought all those Worldcom bonds - right?
And even more sophisticated customers of Merrill took Henry Blodgett's genius advice and bought tons of OpenWave Systems - right?
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How does a company do that and survive? A mystery to me.
Simple. No mystery whatsoever.
In January, 2002 AMD raised $500,000,000 in cash - by issuing convertible bonds.
In October,20002, AMD borrowed $150,000,000 pledging the assets of their Fab 25.
In November, 2002, AMD raised another $400,000,000 by issuing even more convertible bonds.
All told, AMD increased their cash by > $1 Billion this year - simply by issuing debt instruments, nearly all of which can be made to disappear by issuing AMD paper stock certificate a few years down the road.
All this "borrowed" cash hides their cash drain on operational losses to the naive investor.
With the ease that AMD issues these worthless bonds, I'd guess that Wall Street Investment Crooks can keep AMD propped up for another 2 or 3 years, issuing phony funny paper at regular intervals and letting their clients (Wall Street customers that purchase these worthless bonds) take the fall when the pyramid scheme ultimately collapses.
Heck, AMD hasn't even tapped into the German debt market yet - so that is another ripe market they can tap into with the help of their German bankers to whom AMD is already indebted. I figure AMD will do this German Paper scam sometime in 2003, raising another half billion dollars or more.
Remember Jerry Sanders' claim about AMD: "We're good at spending other peoples' money".
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AMD ought to just call it a day in the cpu market.
From a financial standpoint, you are probably correct. AMD has lost over $622,000,000 cumuatively since 1996.
1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 (3 Qtrs.) Total
Revenue $1,953,019 $2,356,375 $2,542,141 $2,857,604 $4,644,187 $3,891,754 $2,010,599 $20,255,679
Operating Profit/Loss ($253,310) ($90,653) ($163,642) ($320,916) $888,736 ($58,258) ($624,845) ($622,888)
Looks like AMD has done it again - they delayed Barton by 12 to 18 months, doubled the L2 cache to 512K increasing the die size - and managed to make it Quantihurtz slower than the standard Athlon.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6855
"2500+" Barton Athlon XP previewed
Looks like the Barton will be a bomb just like Sharptooth (the K63).
AMD's performance has been pathetic for the past 2 years.
Anybody hear Hector shouting about AMD's smaller die size advantages lately?
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my bad
My bad?
Bad English ?
Most probably.
Try 1999.
You have to ask yourself, if you were AMD and you couldn't deliver on your promises, would you admit it at this very late stage and lose any possible design wins you might have, or would you just make up some more BS and promise everybody the moon? History shows that AMD will say anything and some people will believe them no matter what.
I think you're correct.
AMD is essentially conducting an Opteron Salvage Operation (OSO) , trying to save their x86-64 CPU from complete and abject failure in implementation and process.
AMD will have further problems with this crippled launch - the near total lack of any 64 bit software for their Opteron - and probably no Windows 64 support at all.
Probably only a few Linux geeks will bother with this.
I wouldn't put it past AMD to sanitize the Crippled Opteron Launch (COL) with the words "Preview Edition", or other such monicker.
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BTW: does anyone remember exactly when INTC was found not guilty of monopolistic wrongdoing by the DOJ?
Intel has never been investigated by the DOJ. Nothing they have done has apparently ever prompted the DOJ to look into Intel's business practices.
Intel has been thoroughly examined by the FTC on at least two occasions in the 1990s.
In both investigations, Intel has been given a complete bill of health by the FTC - and no evidence of illegal use of monopoly powers has been sited by the FTC.
To summarize - Intel has had NO DOJ investigations and the FTC has reviewd Intel's practices on 2 occasions and found Intel to employ proper business practices.
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A release in Q1 at 1.4 and 1.6GHz shows that yeilds are good, but binsplits aren't that great.
WRONG !!!
Yields STINK - that is why AMD is launching the crippled Oppie first - as a server product, and NOT the desktop clawhammer. Nobody will need any more than 2 or 3 to get a system out the door - and with only a few customers, AMD only needs to come up with a few hindred Oppies - tops.
And if AMD does a paperrepeat, they will just paper launch the crippled oppies in Q1 and deliver the measly samples in Q2 - just like AMD did on their 2400 - 2800 XP paper launches.
In summary, AMD's SOI process STINKS, their yields STINK, their design STINKS and their SPEED STINKS.
AMD is crippled and lame - and the buzzards are circling.
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Joe - where is that Compaq-HP documentation about them committing to AMD's DUD opteron?
Real bad news for AMD.
Their vaunted 9 layer copper SOI process can onluy put out 1.4 GHz Oppies for sale (yeah - and probably a couple 1.6 GHz ones as well).
Jerry's new AMD shares are now underwater.