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It doesn't feel good, does it Andy......
not one little bit.
Thing is, it's not a high volume.
Plus you had to expect the shorts to give it a solid go
before giving up.
A big part of what's happening right now imo,
is people that wanted to make a quick $,
didn't really make it and so they're moving on.
Left one out BBB
the failure to get the warrants issued.
As easy as it is for some bs pinks to issue warrants
this is a little disappointing.
One guess is they realized they created some problems
with the wording in the pr and now have to very carefully
word the conditions of the warrants to avoid legal problems.
In my mind, the record date in the pr is meaningless
until the warrants are actually issued.
It was a good list of the facts overall.
seems like we'd see the warrants
before we see permits to drill
and as so many have pointed out
we haven't seen them yet.
Still, prefer to wait a bit and see if they do get issued
like say around Jan. 15th or so.
In the meantime, anyone want to buy my warrants
when I get them?
(I can hear the sarcastic laughter already)
hehe
>call it what you want but this one's a bigger turkey than LTBI ever was
Now you're fibbing Mr. Bill.
First you say it's a duck.
Now you call it a turkey.
Either it's a duck or a turkey.
Make up your mind.
This is why they said Kerry was wishy-washy.
seriously, setting joking around aside,
your doom and gloom is hugely over stated.
The problem is how you state it as fact when it's
merely opinion. 2nd, your doom and gloom forecast
is completely unreasonable, imo.
This makes me believe you represent a short position.
Looking for an explanation of your motivation to make
outlandish claims, this is the most logical explanation.
Therefore, your posts lose the credibility they once had.
Perhaps this explains the jesting which upset you so.
They were made in good fun only for you to hyperventilate.
Again, some have to question your motivation and hypotheses.
>I compared grifco to litfiber because they are one and the same. ducks of the same feather if you will.
100% wrong Mr. Bill
LitFiber is a turkey.
That's a fact.
Toss a turkey in a pond and see how well it swims.
There it is, you're proven wrong once again.
Keep this up and we're taking away your degree.
Now everyone play nice and quit doing gnarly things
in the sandbox.
It pays to keep a sense of humor.
lessee......the next rs?
the next time it hits .0001?
Next Tuesday perhaps
new symbol?
KRAP
Like I said a couple weeks ago,
after the 1st of the year, it should get interesting.
I have some for sale at .40 believe it or not.
Thanks Taki
I suspected that in Dec, the shorts were messing around.
They blew the cycle bigtime.
Pretty soon they may wish they never came near this one.
At the sh mtg, the basic concensus was that Jan. was
the earliest we would see solid progress on the merger.
3-4 months was the common agreement but March or May
was my own assessment simply because there's been so
many hurdles to overcome and a few mucky mucks at the
mtg thought my March-May assessment was pretty accurate.
Now getting these warrants awarded, I'll predict Jan 20th.
as when it happens by. It's my own uneducated guess.
Anytime in Jan. will suffice though.
A lot of pinks are slow right now.
There's a contingent of analysts that believe we're headed
for a major market correction in '07. Some think it will be
'09 if a Dem is elected President. More think it will be
sooner than later.
IDWD will become a casualty if it happens in '07.
Jan 20th will be one marker for this event.
May, '07 is the more likely timeframe.
Right now, if we don't see something significant from the
company during the next 10 days, I suspect this one could
get ugly as predicted for stated reasons by those anti-IDWD.
Plus there's the fact
that not many shares were traded at that .047
so crowing about a few pennies being made
isn't much of a celebration imo.
One person's trash is another's treasure.
IDWD is such a thing.
Some think it's the next best thing to Biscuits & Gravy.
Others wouldn't give it to their dog.
Good one!
Thanks for the warning.
read LT's comment on Down's appearance,
spewed coffee onto my sceen and had just cleaned it.
Didn't see it as a pumper post, it was just a flat out joke.
Finally.
Eggnog, NO. bleh.
But there were these little brownies with paper dots
and something that looked like oregano in them
Now everything looks like a cartoon and I've got the munchies!
3 Cheers for Mr. Bill!
Hip Hip Hoorah! x3 !
>Dr Bill did you read the rest of that post or did you just get stuck on stuck?
Pure genius. except it's also pot, kettle, black
Stuck on Stuck.
It's Platinum.
For those unable to appreciate this,
go buy a cheap turntable and put a badly scratched Vinyl
Record on it and listen to it keep skipping for 3 days.
All at once, every one cheer:
STUCK ON STUCK! HA! HA! Good one!
next?
We bring you this report from the North Pole, where Jim Dial/
GFCI has done the greatest Coup in the history of Pinks.
In a bold move, Santa's elves were enticed away with
warrants, and Santa's Workshop is the victim of a hostile
takeover by Jim Dial. In a massive PR that's just begun,
we see Santa putting signs on his sleigh that say,
(wait for it, drumroll please.....)
GO GRIFCO!
Santa will also now say HO HO HO MERRY GRIFCO!
OH MY GAWD
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
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>Long Investor
buys stock one at $0.01 sells at 1.00 - 9,900% return
buys stock two at $100 sells at $1 - 99% loss
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*doh*
Ok I got it, you weren't serious.
This is some bizarre form of torturous humor.
ok,
haha, we got it, whew, took us long enoug!
got another joke? a different joke?
>This is the only way you will be paid back for the harm you have caused all..hank
WRONG, we all get Chicken Costumes
and go crash JD's X-mas party.
THAT would teach him!
Well yeah, what else did you expect?
What's your point?
(Please oh Great Popcycle don't let him respond,
but laugh instead in the spirit of the holidays because
Timmy fell in the well and now Shorty is gonna get him)
*If he can laugh just once, my mission is accomplished*
Everyone else laughing doesn't count. We want him to laugh
along with us and him stop laughing at everyone else.
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LOOK OUT BELOW!
Given that even if this cockamamee scheme to buy gas wells is not a complete fabrication, the trade settlement date for any buying after yesterday would be after Dec 25* so there's no more reason to buy even IF ou believe that you'll somehow benefit from THIS record date.....
*As compensation to its shareholders for the asset separation of PDEI, all GFCI shareholders of record as of close of business 5 p.m. (PST) on December 25, 2006
what business? Isn't there some federal holiday on the 25th?
didn't the stock tank after the last (meaningless) record date?
>Can we be a little bit of each category? This is Grifco.
Only if the symbol gets changed to: SYBIL
and we have different clothes for each personality.
WOW, it gave me goosebumps I tell you!
Mr Bill said,
>strangely enough I was talking to one of my prof's (my >advisor) earlier this week and I was telling him about this >conversation
So here I (T) dropped by to visit some professor friends and
you won't believe it, the janitor walked up to one and
started talking, saying:
"I'm talking about doing a paper on the acceleration of the degradation of the time premium during the last 4 weeks until strike as calculated by the Black Scholes option pricing formula linear vs exponential? In the meantime, this whole
GFCI short conversation has my knickers in a knot. I've
completely lost my sense of humor."
We ALL busted out laughing.
The janitor is one of those people like Jack Elam whose eyes
go all whacky, and when he said this standing there with his
mop and bucket in his bib overalls, we busted out laughing.
I mean here you are feeling bad for the poor fellow but then
he had to top it off with the whole GFCI bit.
If you don't believe me, we have it on video(security camera)
and we were thinking of sending it in to Keith Oberman.
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and now a note from our sponsor:
Lighten up there young fellow.
it's efficacious.
Seriously, no one respects or appreciates someone without
a sense of humor.
now back to our program:
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Hopefully, you've all found a chuckle in there somewhere too.
Smile, and your posts will smile too...*cough* *bleh*
OK
that's over the top in any book.
Now let's talk about something completely different:
GFCI
Look Look! it's the Killer Shorty Rabbit!
Run Away! Run Away!
Our Hero, Mr. Bill, a lumberjack dressed in Red Spandex tights
approaches the demononic Killer Shorty Rabbit with his
trusty blunt axe in hand.....
OH MY GAWD!
OH it's AWFUL! It's horrible!
Pieces of Spandex flying everywhere!
There's bits and pieces of boring posts all over!
Turn the camera off.
urp, I think I'm going to be sick.
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Monty Python didn't mock anyone.
They made humor for the sake of humor
and to lighten, whiten and brighten our sheets and our day.
You should feel honored to have been chosen.
An educated person of intelligent stature would have
recognized right off what an honor it was to be chosen
as OUR HERO.
Dr Bill is our HERO.
Anti-Hero?
Happy Holidays Santa Bill and everyone else, even SHORTY
Oh noooooooo Mr Bill
This is the topic at hand:
The GFCI shorts' shorts are in a knot, there's no doubt.
So don't get your shorts in a knot.
Yesteday no one escaped my humor which was jesting in good fun.
Don't take yourself too seriously,
the rest of us probably don't.
Likewise, don't take me too seriously, I don't.
Take those flashing winking lites
decorate something with them
and lighten up
else you be like me, BAH HUMBUG!
You might like my custom made anti-Santa T-shirts.
No, I'm not sharing one with you!
In the meantime, shorty is sneaking around trying
to get all the GFCI Stocking Stuffer shares
and slip an IOU in their place.
Wrong
Long stock goes from $1-$2, that's a 100% gain
same thing works in reverse.
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
(faster than beating the dead horse with even more posts)
Yep,
I think the warrants will happen.
Remember the Playdoh character Mr. Bill.
It's just hard to agree with someone
when I keep expecting to hear
OH NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo
Bah Humbug!
Seriously, hope everyone has a great and safe Holiday.
I don't doubt DCBI will still be here for us to postulate
about next year. So in the meantime, have a great one.
There's no smirking.
Can't believe what you're saying as opposed to what LT
has put on the table and my own experience and knowledge.
Can't right all the wrongs in the world.
We all choose our battles and for some, there are battles
that are much more important where a significant difference
can be made according to a person's priorities and resources.
Some of us may already be committed to other things.
In the meantime, I'm invested in IDWD for profit and
curiosity of how it will all turn out. If someone doesn't
like the fact I invested in IDWD for profit, that's their
problem.
All that's left is to sit and wait and see who's proven
to be correct.
In the meantime, does anyone have anything new about
IDWD to discuss?
Nice pics.
I agree. BBB's overall numbers may not be exact 100%,
BUT
I bet they are close enough.
The merger is the single best thing to happen.
It accomplishes a lot of things in one fell swoop.
The best part is where the naked shorts are going
to be done and dealt with GFCI surviving the ride.
Nice visual.
It pretty much coincides with my reaction to investing
in the company.
The visual on the company's website looks like the
Maroon Bells. Very nice.
Exactly LT
This why I was laughing at the previous claim.
It just isn't believable.
a little knowledge is dangerous.
Ignorance is bliss.
So in your opinion, Downs can break any Federal law he
wants and his parole officer won't care? ROTFL!!!
John Foxworthy could use that one for a redneck joke!
The hysteria just doesn't end.
Must have hit a nerve, crusaders are seldom as clean
as they demand other be.
This still doesn't explain the level of reaction, imo.
It's at a level that marks this board as an exception
to the kind of discussion seen on other pink boards.
It would explain why I'm not heavily invested in IDWD.
It would explain why I would be using profit/house money.
Shadenfreude would be a closer explanation.
My guess is there's a feeling that a viable target
to focus anger on for losses and injustices felt
personally is available. Downs is a convicted felon
and an easier target to focus on.
It's a weak hypothesis to say Downs is guilty now
because he was guilty then. That is to say he's guilty
until proven innocent. That doesn't work.
It's a good hypothesis to say there's a personal connection
and someone close is seen as a current victim of Downs.
It's a good hypothesis to say there's similar factors
as the previous situation that indicate it very likely
the same thing is happening again. This still requires
factual evidence to convict Downs again.
It still doesn't explain why if IDWD keeps proving
to be a viable investment to buy on dips and sell on
highs, why someone would crusade to stop this. Such a
crusade is more likely to induce more investment than
to detract from it. It makes the crusader appear as
sour grapes and undermines their goal.
As a long investment, considering all the facts involved
to date, it's as high risk as I've previously stated.
That's the nature of a pink, IDWD is no exception.
I believe Downs isn't viewed as a big factor due to HLS.
If the current success of HLS could be proven or disproven,
that would go a long way to determine the viability
of IDWD as an investment.
I can appreciate this. It makes sense.
Bottom line, I'm still only an investor.
I'm going to invest where I believe I can profit.
I don't have the desire or inclination or time to crusade
against every pink liar out there.
Can anyone give me the symbol for any pink under $1.00 where
not one lie has been told, where there's complete transparency,
and they are a viable investment to profit from?
I haven't found a single one.
What then makes IDWD any different from any other pink?
One thing that separates it is the fact that some are
making profit with it which is any investor's goal.
I ask, because for iHub, this seems to be a particularly
vehement board compared to some others with similar
negative claims. The only difference I can quantify is
that Downs is a convicted felon. Is it because since
he's on parole, there's a greater likelihood of seeing
justice done to one of his type?
I've yet to encounter one pink that didn't do some of this.
Every single SH meeting I've attended of any Pink with
the exception of biotechs has included lying that wasn't
much different. My problem there was the data was out of
my field of knowledge to assess if I was being lied to.
I just attended a sh mtg of another pink and the CEO flat
out lied to my face. Yes, I was disgusted. I was disgusted
how many actually bought his garbage. They also didn't care
to listen to facts. They stubbornly stick with their golden
ticket dream. They will probably be the same ones to drive
up the sh price where I profit nicely from it. You can lead
a horse to water but can't make it drink.
As for who they screw over, not a single one of them cares
who they do it to, imo. This means I believe they don't
have much of a conscience.
I see the same complaint over and over about SEC violations,
the CEO belongs in jail, etc etc etc. They get just as
nauseating as the rah-rahs. What I don't see is the SEC
actually doing anything about the problem.
The SEC is at the root of the problem and until the SEC
does something about it, all the rest of us can do is
see if we can profit from it. I suspect we might see some
progress after the Dems take office, but won't hold my breath.
I don't defend Downs under any circumstance.
My wonderment would be, like any criminal, did his learning
curve expand because of his conviction so he now knows
how to do it and get away with it?
If your two year cycle hypothesis is correct, then we'll
be finding out pretty quick. I'm most curious what the
next PR will be and how it will be reflected in sh price.
I think anyone would have to admit, if the IDWD PRs are
complete fabrications, then they are whoppers. The only
problem is they haven't been proven to be lies.
it works.
exactly, this website connection problem is
different from previous times where page updates, etc
would interfere.
My cache is cleared with regularity.
OK, finally. Just now while on the phone with a colleague,
the websites loaded for him and for me.
First time since about last Thursday or Friday.
IDWD
995ad.com
and the HLS websites all just loaded just fine.
Both .htm websites you suggested are still 404 here.
Ok that was wierd.
Thanks Penny.
Nope, 404 page not found.
What concerned me was not being to load the sites
directly put into a browser or from my bookmarks
separate from clicking on a link up above.
No, I posted the prices directly from the 3 year chart
from Ameritrade. I've noticed those charts do get adjusted
to account for splits, but not always.
The chart flat out shows sub-penny.
It was also the same chart I referenced before buying IDWD.
This may account for our difference of opinion since
3 years, even two years ago, I could have cared less about
IDWD.
Complaints about my moderating should be taken to Matt
as they are off topic imo.
Thanks, that was a great read and from a very credible source.
The article addresses something that has been in the
back of my mind all along about IDWD.
Now if the article had mentioned some suspected companies,
it would have been a coup. I hope we hear more about this.
I'm disappointed the article didn't go any further into detail.
Whoops, you're right.
I pulled up a 3 year chart and hit Sept of the wrong year.
Jan 14, '02 it was .0045
Sept 9, '02 it was .0011
Sept '03 it ranged from .007 down to .004
Sept 20, '04 it was .001
Mar 21, '05 it was still .001
Mar 28, '05 it was .005
This is what's called sub-penny.
IDS WAtcher wrote in Post # 20051 :
>>>This stock has never traded subpenny.
WOuld you care to retract that statement as a self-proclaimed
expert on IDWD? I'm looking right at the chart right now.
You said you'd been following this one for a few years.
I now find that hard to believe.
Sept 5, '05 it closed at .19
Sept 4, '06 it closed at 1.32
Sept 11, '06 it closed at 1.25
The difference between those two alone shows how insignificant
the argument was on Sept 5, '05. It obviously had little or
no effect. Today's range is .78 to .73 thus far.
It is more likely that we are in the midst of a dip which
has happened several times this year. It is more likely
we will see yet another rebound as the posted impropieties
both imagined and real about Downs don't seem to matter to
serious investors interested in making profit.
Looking at the chart, there's been 4 dips and 4 surges thus
far this year. That's proven opportunity.
If a serious minded investor is making money, why should
they care what the gossip is, old or new?
In my mind only a short would be arguing at this juncture
and that's assuming the short is a serious investor.
I'm still waiting for a solid good pink that's fully reporting
and is completely transparent where there's no lying or
misdirection occurring. I'd buy it.
But wait, it would be on the Amex if a pink could do all that.
.001 Sept '05 vs .76 Dec. '06
Naked Shorts are also a viable explanation.
There are others that some may wish to offer.
It's too simplistic just to blame the CEO.
What you suggest is possible, but it's not the only
plausible explanation. It's also a pink and thus not
required to report a lot of what is demanded here.
It makes me step back when there's demands for things
not required in a pink and this is common knowledge.
FTDs are an increasing factor to consider these days.
It makes more sense that a short now looking to cover
would bash and bash and bash and use someone else's
words to make their argument instead of their own.
If they can spread fear and initiate a selloff and
subsequent drop in price, then shorty breathes a sigh
of relief and covers their IOU.
Imo and according to some analysts, shorts have overplayed
themselves and are now experiencing a cash flow problem
when they look to cover as the expected harsh declines
have not happened as expected.
There's shorted plays out there on various stocks
that are getting very old. A link was posted a week or so
ago that is quite informative concerning FTDs.
Now if Downs PRs turn out to be fake, then his parole
will be revoked and it's game over. My guess is, his parole
officer has been inundated with accusations about these
issues and I can't accept they've been ignored. It's just
too easy to follow up on such accusations and get Downs
out of his hair if they were/are true.
Logic dictates that Downs has likely accounted for the
discrepancies pointed out here to the satisfaction of
his parole officer or he'd already be back in the hoosegow.
Again, the old post was discussed and argued back then
over a year ago and the relevance gets lost when share
price was .001 and currently is .76.
It would make more sense to put efforts into proving the
current PRs are false which could have the result desired
by some. I.E., has anyone confirmed the $50M in escrow?
Now THAT would be a coup one way or the other.
A pink is like a teenager, what is true one year is
certainly not the next year.
My moderating experience extends back to 1992 and I still
have my 1st edition of BBS Law. We developed rules which
are pretty much the same as iHub with exception that
vulgarity was allowed then as Free Speech. The internet
has incorporated changes and serious investors know that
vulgarity is not necessary in a discussion. I watched
when the EFF was formed before it became a juggernaut.
It makes more sense to have a dialogue about current events.
It also shows appreciation of iHub resources and standards.
iHub is not an unlimited resource like printable shares.
Imo, free memberships are a privilege and having a premium
membership is not a license to abuse or squander resources.
The point seems to keep being repeated and it's being done
by repeating old posts. That's like telling the same joke
repeatedly. It loses its humor. If you make your point,
move on.
I'm puzzled by the incessant anger towards a stock which
is doing something few other pinks are managing to do.
I'm inclined to suspect the motivation involved.
Mere personal disgust towards lying doesn't account for it.
In my opinion, it goes way beyond any normal reaction of a
serious investor, especially when it's been profitable for so
many and still has a lot of life in it..
In my personal life, I can't stand a liar of a thief.
In my investing, my main concern is: Is it profitable?
I don't care if Downs is a liar if I'm making $.
Show me one completely 100% honest pink out there.
I'll buy it.
This is probably congruent with most investors.
Any investor here would 1st ask themselves: Am I making $ ?
When introduced to iHub, the first thing I noticed and
appreciated: this a place for serious investors.
Serious investors don't carry on to these extremes.
Rehashing the same point repeatedly from old posts is
like getting divorced and then stalking the ex.
As my generation would say, that's not cool.
And no, the 60's are not a blank fog in my memory.
I'm not seeing typical reactions of serious investors like
I do on other boards. This board became worse than RB, imo.
Last, the IDWD, HLS, and 995ad.com websites do not load
for me. I had a colleague attempt from a different system
literally miles away with a dialup and the pages don't load.
I had another with high speed DSL try it with no luck.
It's been tried with Netscape, Opera, Firefox, and Explorer
by independent sources and all have no success loading these
pages. I'm inclined to trust and believe people I know.
I at least know for a fact, the event is not isolated to me.
THIS is a genuine issue imo.
Now i'm going to have some business colleagues 1000+
miles away try it for me. It's possible the problem is
SWBell as a colleague in Florida experienced this issue
with his websites and he blamed SWBell as he was doing
major renovations at his facility including.
It's curious to me that those bashing IDWD report no issue.
Perhaps that old post is relevant to the fact that share price
was about .001 back in Sept of '05.
Apparently there's been some changes in information since
then since the price is currently .76.
Simply reposting old posts is repeating posts imo as have
already said once. Please don't repost old posts.
They are there for anyone to read. If you feel there's relevant
info in old posts, then perhaps you could make a list of them
as links, post the links in ONE post and include discussion
that explains your position.
There's a disconnect between .001 and .76 in the information
being reposted that isn't even addressed.
Things change, and ignoring change dooms one to failure.
So please explain why the repost is relative from Sept '05
when the price was .001 with today's price of .76.
The difference is staggering and thus the repost makes no sense.
Don't see it happening myself.
Stick a fork in it.
This one's done.
Like Dandy Don Meredith used to sing,
The Party's Over.
*sigh*
Well hey, we can look forward to an reverse split,
and watch the value of our investment really drop.
Merry freakin' X-mas.
Some say we only have 6 months until the end.
You can always stay on the sidelines if your ticket is paid
and see how it finishes.
Yes, I am not happy about this one.
If all was well, we should have hit bottom before the
meeting. Instead since the meeting was such a
"resounding success"
we're still waiting to see when it hits bottom.