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pleeeeeze what, paige?
"Are you claiming that you posted the Kyle Key PR at the behest of the SEC/FBI?"
Another question capndagoodwow will for some reason fail to answer or even acknowledge as asked, I suspect.
"The removal of a legend is a matter solely in the discretion of the issuer of the securities."
Which means, I gather, that the company can remove the legend at its discretion and at any time for those holders it wants to benefit.
If this is accurate, then as you said: where's the risk to anyone in favor with the company? Especially when the CEO is an SEC-savvy lawyer who knows the SEC wouldn't get involved.
Hey, mikel ...
I never professed to be a scientist, chemist, nuclear, mechanical or electrical engineer, lawyer or anything like any of those. So why would it give you pleasure to "test" your post on me? Remember, all I'm any good at is scraping codfish. And writing limericks.
Now, perhaps you;d like to reply to the question asked you over and over ... how'd you get the PR before it became a PR? As rotten says, inquiring minds want to know.
(Welcome back, cotter ... I mean rotten ... I was getting worried about you. VTY.)
Or do you see him use diversion every time the subject is posted?
As he's just done again, not two minutes ago.
diddy ... I don't remember when Poteet called Blair the inventor or if he ever did ... just let Blair take the credit in all those PRs.
Why did Poteet let that happen without correcting it? Maybe malcbaby through Boonie said that was a clever way to go, that they could always use him for their fall guy if and when needed.
Didn't malcbaby and Dennis Harris share the Vietnam experience? I can just imagine malcbaby trying to help his fellow religious zealot out of a jam (those incredible edible cotton seeds and palace security systems just weren't in great demand) by recommending Boonie (an unknown then, wasn't he?) to "run" the show, with some consulting assistance on "THE" direction to go forward with its "incubator" technologies from himveryownself, shrewd SEC-savvy lawyer that he was and connected as he was, thanks to his W&S days.
"Stall tactics"? That's being "nice"! Some might call it manipulation (or worse).
More on the Jones/Poteet/Blair episode (from old notes):
Poteet and Cauthen were the developers of the technology (so Poteet claimed way back when) based upon some of the concepts coming out of Sandia. Blair came into their lives as a result of some other project (would be interesting to know what "other project") and he apparently offered to represent the two of them to Loch (to Boone or to Malcbaby?), behind Gerald Jones' back, and wound up selling technology he didn't own (because WP and Cauthen owned it). If this is accurate, there were no expected or actual charges against either WP or Cauthen, but they became or would have become, presumably, state witnesses.
Furthermore, WP acknowledged at that time (mid 2001 or earlier) that ELF would be incapable of working at distances greater than two meters because of backscatter and dust; thus Blair's comments about working at 30 meters were completely without merit and not substantiated by the available data. However, WP seemed to believe the UV system they were working on might be able to detect at great distances.
WP had not been on LOCH's payroll for months prior to the DC demo. His appearance in Croatia was on a "per event" basis, and not a continual contractual arrangement, apparently because of lazck of funding from Loch.
So ... throughout the spring and summer of 2000, there was NO development going on with ELF or VAAMP.
When the DC demo came up, WP and Cauthen didn't want to go because apparently they became aware of the stuph Blair had been involved in with Jones (as said, he sold the technology illegally to Jones as well, at the same time he was negotiating with Loch).
Apparently, Poteet, Cauthen, and Jones all complained to the SEC, Arizona attorney, etc., when they learned that Blair had been double dealing them.
This is all according to WP, of course. So who knows what veracity to put to it ... since he also suddenly remembered or decided the moment was right to reveal at a considerably later date that HE had invented of ELF, after having let Blair take all the credit. What tangled webs we weave, etc.
It would be nice to see all three of their testimonies under oath, wouldn't it. Actually, all 4 -- including Blair's.
And on other matters:
Re a baseball "cabal" ... yes, indeed, as everyone of course knows. One osscout (an off season scout with a bird's name) even got his father and uncle (a sometime poster way back then) into the stock, but wouldn't take his uncle's calls when it didn't suit him to. Nice guy, that scout. Osscout also evidently knew about Blair's resignation more than a week before it was announced. And presumably about malcbaby's "new" (yet to be formalized) position beforehand -- remember the change in cab driver posts he loved to make? And of course it was one and the same osscout who "accidentally" got the Kinmen report -- which he dutifully gave to capndagood for safe keeping (he said). Oops ... who gave whom what and when? The "cabal" went far beyond baseball connections.
On another subject, re maclbaby ... how was it that jakovac so quickly and readily relinquished his position with the NewCo? Malcbaby made him see the light? I think the hypothesis that malcbaby had/has been in charge from day 1 becomes more plausible every day.
A little more on KK ...
He had been in business only two months when he wrote that PR. He was apparently completely unaware of anything about LOCH except for ELF. He claimed (to a friend of mine) that he was at the DC demo and wanted to bring attention to the technology for the technology's sake.
My friend gave him a quick run-down on LOCH's history over the past several years ... he was just a bit aghast. Understatement.
KK was only 26 then, and it seems that Charles Bagley and Mark Baker called him up and chewed him out on the following Monday, asking him "who the hell are you to put out press releases regarding the company."
Also -- this may be common knowledge but I'd forgotten it: Blair apparently worked for LIDAR before he came to Loch. I do remember that the talk was that Poteet effectively said "Why do you need LIDAR -- why not just go directly to Loch (with me)?" I think Poteet made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
Perhaps the SEC/FBI had an informal chat with Jerry back in the daze.
Kyle Key!
And capndagood reminds you (and us) of the SEC (again)! And then goes on to try to divert attention with yet more of his unrelated posts and links.
Sounds as if he's saying that way back then (Oct 25, 2000) he was already "helping" the SEC in its nonpublic investigation of Loch "and others" ... that he was using his special insider position just for the purpose of keeping the SEC informed! That he was actually a good guy in disguise!
Funnily enough, I was told that poor KK was totally taken in when he wrote that PR. (Remember Ron? All he did was make a phone call to Kyle. Easy peasy. Ron's hobby then was loch, kinda like it's a hobby for a few others today.)
And ohmygoodness, BCCI_Banker was all those other posters? I never knew! What a master of disguise!
This story just gets betternbetter with each passing year! What new revelations lie ahead? Can't wait!
He once said he was on the phone with Henry Blair as he was posting on the board. I believed him.
Have you noticed how quiet the other board has become? I guess they're all reading here and are finally beginning to get the picture.
I wonder if milchip will follow through and start some legal action.
"By the way just to be up front I already know the answers;"
[edit] Thus spake atxman, pas moi. Moi, je voudrais les trouver aussi.
Maybe arloco would, or maybe it was just talk. Hey, cado queen ... ?? Something about Blair and Poteet "interfacing" and Jones getting left out?
diddy ... didn't Dr Poteet have "Dr" Blair over a barrel or sumpin? Sumpin about money? And then alas alack "Dr" Blair soonly fell apart under the SEC's uncomfortable questioning.
Wish I could remember or had saved that limerick I wrote back then ... it was really very funny and accurate (as far as it went)!
I'm absolutely certain that will happen, crow ... ever vigilant as viking and matt are to spamming and off-topic posts.
The more capndawow gets painted into a corner, the more he posts stuph he hopes diverts negative attention from himself.
absolument lol!
Lidar ... Spot ... Hart Shackman or whatever it was ... all the same addresses and names ... (did Jerry also get some loch shares?????????)
ps ... I wonder what Mr. Jones is doing these days.
I don't imagine Wild and Poteet ran in the same professional circles or were guest speakers at the same seminars.
Walter Wild
http://tinyurl.com/2a86a6
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=20816594
(Any prollem with citing a link to another IHub board post, viking?)
By: dr_biffnix
27 Jun 2007, 07:06 PM EDT
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By: ATXMAN
14 Mar 2006, 02:23 PM EST
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Raiderman and Capnmike, sirs just a couple of points if I may. First of all Raiderman I do love your take on everything as it is always good for CDEX. However this time your wrong and it is not the first time (are you sure your not Tomsheboy). Infrigment of a patent is very serious and has nothing to do with your logic, plain and simple the plaintiff had it first and just wants to protect their's. Now let's think for a minute, the suit was filed last week, the company notified CDEX in January (was MP still running the show), MP walks away with no feedback to the plaintiff and now this. Raiderman wonder who has the deep pockets to fight this and keep it in court? Wonder who will give first? Quite the scam artist you are.
Capnmike, sir it is quite amazing as if you look at the last time you quit posting was 3 days before the downfall of Loch (quite a track record)and then announce the day before you are going to cut way back on posting and then CDEX gets hit with a major lawsuit. Also you never did answer my question in regards how you produced a press release before it came out (remember the Washington affair). I just don't know why you don't let the people here know the truth that you are a insider and was told what to place and when to place. Don't forget we do know some of the same people. This is quite an interesting tale you weave.
Thank You
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By: ATXMAN
25 Jan 2004, 07:13 PM EST
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Raiderman, sir I thought I would ask you another question (since you never answered my last one). You just stated in your post over on the CDEX board, that MP was a respected Washington attorney. I was wondering where you came up with that? Is it respectable of him not to inform the firm he worked for that he was a paid consultant to Loch Harris?
Bottom line is that a respectable way of doing business?
Thank You
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By: ATXMAN
18 Jan 2004, 01:33 PM EST
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MP sir if you are such a "God fearing" man why have you not come clean with the facts and truths about your previous relationships with Loch, W&S, the partnerships you and the boys were in, etc. You speak of God on a daily basis but you do not have the guts to tell the truth to your fellow man, your shareholders, etc. MP you belong in the same category as Jim and Tammy Faye B., Jimmy S., Jessie J., and Al S. I guess people such as yourselves enjoy playing off weakness of others and try to make a buck out of it.
MP morally you are one corrupt man.
Thank You
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By: ATXMAN
19 Oct 2003, 06:40 PM EDT
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Hello everyone it has been a few months since my last post and I notice some things have changed and others have not.
I see the distribution for the CDEX shares is beginning to take place and that has taken me by surprise. To this day I strongly believe that both companies are complete but controlled "scams".
I have read so much about the integrity of the CEO but no one again questions his path as for years only a handful question the path of Loch's CEO. Everyone presumes that he "left" his law firm on his accord and was not pushed out, I believe that shareholders should look into his firms association with Loch Harris and you will notice that his law firm never appears but his name does, does anyone want to know why?
If anyone has chosen to read some of my earlier posts, you will see that he was a part of Loch as a paid consultant for at least 3 years prior to the companies demise. You have also learned that he has played a part in a few of the "penny stock" firms whose management or promoters has strong ties to Loch as well.
I have spent the last 10 weeks in Washington, D.C. for my work not related to this mess but I have taken the time to ask certain questions to several department leaders in H.S., D.O.D., N.O., the F.D.A. and I am quite comfortable that the name CDEX is not a player in any areas of which these departments are looking at for product, advice, or ideas.
Some of the so-called promoters of Loch Harris, have in fact shot themselves in the foot by pointing out how "over and over" again the number of companies whose ideas patented or not is appearing in certain documents of the new company.
CDEX has went through close to 3 million dollars and what have they shown for it? I see around 11 updates on their website and applications for a grant for testing purposes. At this point anyone with a game plan could duplicate the success that CDEX has shown and not needed to spend 1 dollar.
Before all of you keep following the pied piper at least look into the CEO's past closer. Most of you have been led once by the nose but it does not have to happen twice. You can always use the shares as toilet paper or make paper dolls out of it.
Thank You
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By: ATXMAN
03 Dec 2003, 11:39 PM EST
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Sact, sir as I am a expert witness in a case with W&S you learn a few facts. Glad to see you are connecting the dots to DH and MP. Have you ever wondered if they shared more than a ranch or two together, very interesting.
Thank You
http://tinyurl.com/2o2zbh
Camlight Corporation and TCE share(d) the same address
http://tinyurl.com/2jtsp3
http://tinyurl.com/3azcq5
I wonder if Gerald/Jerry Jones ended his career the FBI to 'pursue other interests', the way malcbaby ended his career with W&S for the same (public-version) reason.
I guess you'd rather everyone move over to the other ihub board, then -- the one with Loch in its name? Save you a lot of work. Or maybe someone can start another ihub board with the name 'CDEX, INC: OPEN AND UNMODERATED BOARD'. Then this board can die a quick and painless death.
That's the guy ... by all means, activate your way-back machine, please!
Why don't you answer atxman's question to you, capndagood? Too uncomfortable?
Seems capndagoodwow has gone silent again.
Plus ... quite a commentary if raiderman was inonit too.
What a den of thieves if even 1/2 of what's being suggested is true.
His primary "person of interest" (or at least one of them) was Neuhaus at one point. And he really wanted to talk to Vlado but to my knowledge never could reach him ... much as he couldn't reach Blair. He may have talked to Nikolo Zovko ... I think he probably did. I also believe he talked to others with some knowledge of then-current or recent-past events, whether formally or in "informal chats."
So the question is why didn't anything come of the nonpublic investigation?
Among other things, I think he knew johnnyreengo pretty well!
Who was the former FBI guy ... I've forgotten his name ... who was somehow involved with all this? Arloco would remember his name and I would if I heard it. He was somehow connected with Poteet and Blair ... I honestly don't remember how or if we knew even then.
xeno ... we know when MP left Winston & Strawn ... do we know when he joined them?
Intent to commit stock fraud.
I hope milchip "and others" pursue this to the nth degree.
It probably won't get anyone's money back but it might put the noble and good malcbaby out of business permanently.
People accused Grodzin of having a vested interest in pooh-poohing the claims!
Children of either sex should outlive their fathers and their mothers as well.
I sense (but have no way of knowing) that Harry's wife isn't living. I imagine that's some relief to him, that she didn't experience this tragedy. Like you, I hope Harry finds the strength to cope and can give some of his own strength to his son's wife and their children, assuming he was married.
My grandmother was predeceased by everyone in her family -- besides her parents, her sister, her husband, first one daughter at 35 and then her other daughter (my mother) at 45. She (my grandmother) died about 6 months later, most assuredly of a heart broken too many times.
I am so sorry to read about this, inet, and simply can't imagine the pain you must be going through. My deepest sympathies.
crow ...
Now I happened to lunch once with a British fellow of great knowledge who had attended a meeting with that same pair of promotors,...
Excerpt (tm capndagood) from an e-mail I got from that "British fellow" way back when:
"When I met with Ramsay & Co it was at their request and nothing to do with LOCH. One of my companies was getting a lot of press and its stock price was soaring as a result. Ramsay contacted me under the guise of having some clients who were interested in purchasing a large block of stock. I soon found out that the reason for his call was to offer me his group's stock promotion services! Sure, he had people who would buy our stock (at a large discount) and then pump it in the market for a very hefty return. I told him thanks, but no thanks, and bid my farewell! He used his experiences with LOCH, DRYD, EDIG and SHPH to help sell his services; that's how I first became aware of LOCH."
Also ... another excerpt (tm capndagood) from an e-mail I sent someone back in Dec '00:
"Philips' name surfaced as a result of an email that was sent by
one of the hypesters to a "wrong" person (a highly respected and connected
Dallas-area businessman -- purely coincidentally, we have some mutual
friends). The email was a blatant and unsolicited "courting" email. He
forwarded it to me and to one other person, asking for our thoughts (you can
guess what they were!) and then he asked me to give it to the authorities along with how they
could reach him, which of course I did. My song and dance on the board
yesterday over Philip's name was totally disingenuous. I wanted to try to
flush out anyone who would be flushed ... particularly the poster who sent
the email that revealed so much. (No success yet.)"
Could it possibly have been you who sent that courting e-mail, capndagoodwowmike?
paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaige ...
In your pursuit of information, you've of course been to the other website and read all of MP's archived posts.
And you have no comment on them? No comment on the "man" leading your company, the one you've gotten so many of your "clients" into?
Have at it, milchip!
Lonnnnnnnng overdue to bring this "man" to task.
thx, crow ... I'd forgotten about that board.
a link, pls, crow ...