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Serious Questions:
Here is a serious question. Can you be a Christian and a Democrat at the same time? Is that not a contradiciton? Democrats preach tolerance and gay rights and pro-choice right?
Both are "Abominations to the Lord".
Food for thought.
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Don't really car who wins, but I do like
your Ibox.
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I am wondering if common sense would
have been better than technology in this case. It is easy for me to play Monday morning QB now that all the facts are out. I think the real problem was some homophobia here. The officers didn't want to get to involved, or touch something in the apartment. Just my guess and humble opinion.
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The retired sheriff used some self control
not to shoot this guy who was obviously doing a home invasion.
Diverdan ><>
Another police error? Jeffery Dahmer continued..
Naked boy escapes
But the most infamous police failure came on May 27, 1991, when two women found a naked boy, dazed and bleeding, staggering on the street outside of Dahmer's apartment.
The boy, who turned out to be 14-year-old Konerak Sinthasomphone, had escaped from Dahmer's apartment. By the time Dahmer caught up with him, the women had found him and called police.
According to a report in The Milwaukee Sentinel, Dahmer tried to take the boy back before the police arrived. But the women would not leave until the police showed up.
Once they did, Dahmer somehow convinced them that Konerak -- who he said was an adult, not a juvenile -- was his live-in boyfriend, and that he had gotten drunk drinking Jack Daniels. After dismissing the women, the police escorted Dahmer and Konerak back to the apartment.
After seeing no evidence of foul play -- Dahmer even showed photos of himself and Konerak in seemingly happy poses -- the police left the two alone, reporting it as a domestic squabble between homosexual lovers.
Had they looked closer, they would have found a body lying in the other room. As it turned out, Konerak would be dead by the next day, and four more men would be killed before Dahmer was finally caught.
full story on Jeffery Dahmer:
http://apb.com/media/gfiles/dahmer/dahmer0814.html?s=pb_dahmer
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Question for all - search & seizure
Here is a shrt summary taken from an FBI interview with Jeffery Dahmer where Dahmer talks about his first victim and almost getting caught. Officers made a traffic stop on Dahlmer where the chopped up body was in the car, but the police didn't know it. Police need probable cause to search a vehicle. Do you think there was enough probable cause here to search? Did the police error? Would you have searched this vehicle, his apartment?? Be honest with yourself, Dahmer explains the smell as garbage he forgot to throw out. If the police did find the body would the case have been thrown out due to an illegal search?
His first victim
Dahmer graduated high school in 1978, and by that summer he was living alone in the family house after his parents moved out. One night he was driving home, he told the interviewers, and he saw a young hitchhiker.
Suddenly, an opportunity presented itself.
"I never thought it would really happen," Dahmer said. "But everything was set up so perfectly that one time in Ohio."
He stopped and picked up the hitchhiker, who turned out to be 19-year-old Steven M. Hicks, who agreed to go back to Dahmer's house "for a few beers."
But things soon got out of hand.
"The guy wanted to leave," Dahmer later told police, "and I didn't want him to."
Dahmer told police he got angry and smashed Hicks in the back of the head with a barbell, and later choked him to death with it. Then, he said, he had sex with Hicks' corpse, and cut the body open to examine it.
Days later, when he was done with it, Dahmer cut the body into small pieces, put it into garbage bags and, at 3 a.m. loaded it into his car and headed for the dump. On the way, though, police stopped him.
Dahmer's reign of terror could have ended right there. But it didn't.
Close encounter with cops
The police pulled Dahmer over, ordered him out of the car and gave him a sobriety test. They shined their flashlights into the car, spotted the garbage bags, and asked what the terrible smell was.
"Scared the hell out of me," he told the interviewers.
Dahmer said the bags contained some old garbage he'd forgotten to take to the dump. The police gave him a ticket for driving left of the centerline and let him go.
"I couldn't believe it, I thought I was dreaming," Dahmer said. "So I went back home."
Dahmer ended up smashing the corpse with a sledgehammer and scattering the remains throughout the 1.7-acre wooded lot. In 1991, Dahmer drew a map to show police where the parts were buried -- "You don't forget your first one," he told them -- and a search turned up more than 500 pieces of bone.
Here are some other run-ins with the law that Dahlmer had:
Along the way, police had many chances to catch him.
Besides the 3 a.m. trip to the dump and the body in the suitcase (second death), police questioned Dahmer four times and entered his apartment twice during his killing spree. Among those close calls:
In 1988, police questioned Dahmer about a man's claim that Dahmer robbed and drugged him at Dahmer's grandmother's home. Police dropped the case after Dahmer denied the allegations.
Also in 1988, police searched his apartment after he was accused of sexually assaulting a teenage boy. Dahmer was later convicted and served nine months in jail, but the officers somehow missed the photos, skulls and other evidence of his crimes.
In 1990, Dahmer lured a 15-year-old boy into his apartment with plans to kill him. He hit the boy on the back of the head with a rubber mallet, but failed to incapacitate him. The boy escaped and went to police, but Dahmer was never questioned about it.
In 1991, a neighbor complained to police about the stench coming from Dahmer's apartment. An officer knocked on the wrong door and never spoke to Dahmer.
Another time there had been a murder in another apartment in his building, and again police, said Dahmer, "came into my apartment and looked around and didn't see anything."
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Anyone remember this? 1987? It is false.
An old news video of Lt. Col.Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan Administration.
There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, but what he said was stunning!
He was being drilled by some senator; "Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security system?"
Ollie replied,"Yes, I did, Sir."
The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience," Isn't that just a little excessive?"
"No, sir," continued Ollie.
"No? And why not?" the senator asked.
"Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir"
"Threatened? By whom?" the senator questioned.
"By a terrorist, sir" Ollie answered.
"Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?"
"His name is Osama bin Laden, sir" Ollie replied.
At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn't
pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued. "Why are you so afraid of this man?" the senator asked.
"Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know of", Ollie answered.
"And what do you recommend we do about him?" asked the senator.
"Well, sir, if it was up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth."
The senator disagreed with this approach, and that was all that was shown of the clip.
If anyone is interested, the senator turned out to be none other than Al Gore.
Imagine if he were president right now. You think we got lucky or what?
FROM THE DESK OF LTCOL OLIVER L. NORTH (USMC) RET.
NOVEMBER 28, 2001
OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, I HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL THOUSAND E-MAILS FROM EVERY STATE IN THE U.S. AND 13 FOREIGN COUNTRIES IN WHICH THE ORIGINATOR PURPORTS TO HAVE RECENTLY VIEWED A VIDEOTAPE OF MY SWORN TESTIMONY BEFORE A CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE IN 1987.
A COPY OF ONE OF THOSE E-MAILS IS ATTACHED BELOW. AS YOU WILL NOTE, THE ORIGINATOR ATTRIBUTES TO ME CERTAIN STATEMENTS REGARDING USAMA BIN LADEN AND OTHER MATTERS THAT ARE SIMPLY INACCURATE. THOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO CLAIM THE GIFT OF PROPHESY, I DON'T HAVE IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO SAW WHAT VIDEO "AT UNC." (OR ANYWHERE ELSE) BUT, FOR THE RECORD, HERE'S WHAT I DO KNOW:
1. IT WAS THE COMMITTEE COUNSEL, JOHN NIELDS, NOT A SENATOR WHO WAS DOING THE QUESTIONING.
2. THE SECURITY SYSTEM, INSTALLED AT MY HOME, JUST BEFORE I MADE A VERY SECRET TRIP TO TEHRAN, COST, ACCORDING TO THE COMMITTEE, $16K, NOT $60K.
3. THE TERRORIST WHO THREATENED TO KILL ME IN 1986, JUST BEFORE THAT SECRET TRIP TO TEHRAN, WAS NOT USAMA BIN LADEN, IT WAS ABU NIDAL (WHO WORKS FOR THE LIBYANS -- NOT THE TALIBAN AND NOT IN AFGHANISTAN).
4. I NEVER SAID I WAS AFRAID OF ANYBODY. I DID SAY THAT I WOULD BE GLAD TO MEET ABU NIDAL ON EQUAL TERMS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD BUT THAT I WAS UNWILLING TO HAVE HIM OR HIS OPERATIVES MEET MY WIFE AND CHILDREN ON HIS TERMS.
5. I DID SAY THAT THE TERRORISTS INTERCEPTED BY THE FBI ON THE WAY TO MY HOUSE IN FEB. 87 TO KILL MY WIFE, CHILDREN AND ME WERE LIBYANS, DISPATCHED FROM THE PEOPLE'S COMMITTEE FOR LIBYAN STUDENTS IN MCLEAN, VIRGINIA.
6. AND I DID SAY THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD MOVED MY FAMILY OUT OF OUR HOME TO A MILITARY BASE (CAMP LEJEUNE, NC) UNTIL THEY COULD DISPATCH MORE THAN 30 AGENTS TO PROTECT MY FAMILY FROM THOSE TERRORISTS (BECAUSE A LIBERAL FEDERAL JUDGE HAD ALLOWED THE LYBIAN ASSASSINS TO POST BOND AND THEY FLED).
7. AND, FYI: THOSE FEDERAL AGENTS REMAINED AT OUR HOME UNTIL I RETIRED FROM THE MARINES AND WAS NO LONGER A "GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL." BY THEN, THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAD SPENT MORE THAN $2M PROTECTING THE NORTH FAMILY. THE TERRORISTS SENT TO KILL US WERE NEVER RE-APPREHENDED.
SEMPER FIDELIS,
OLIVER L. NORTH
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GUN NEWS - Robbery goes wrong
Robbery of Retired Sheriff Goes Very Wrong
P O R T S T. L U C I E, Fla. — Travis Suomi picked the wrong 78-year-old to mess with, police say.
Suomi knocked on the door of former Port St. Lucie Sheriff C.L. Norvell early last Wednesday morning, at around 1:30 a.m. He said his car had broken down and asked to use the phone. Norvell, who left law enforcement 18 years ago, gave him his cordless phone to use, but refused to let him in the house.
Suomi used the phone and returned it, and then asked again to come inside, this time to use the bathroom. When Norvell refused to let him in, the man said he was robbing the sheriff and tried to throw a coat over his head, police said.
But he quickly found he was in over his head.
"The sheriff pulled a .38 out of his bath robe and said, 'It's best you get out of here,'" said Det. Tom Hickox. "The guy took off running of course."
After the man ran off, Norvell called 911 — a system he had helped establish in the county years ago — and waited for police to arrive.
Suomi's troubles didn't end there, Hickox says.
The 18-year-old had in fact used Norvell's phone, which happened to have Caller ID.
"The guy was stupid enough to call his own house," said Hickox. "He talked to his mother, whom he lives with."
Suomi was arrested later that night, and charged with home invasion, a first-degree felony.
As for Norvell, Hickox says that 18 years off the force apparently hadn't slowed him down.
"He was very calm through the whole incident," Hickox said. "He knows somebody shouldn't come to your door at one o'clock in the morning."
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NEWS- Winner of the BAD LUCK award for 2001
Man has 4 vehicles damaged in 2 police chases
(PALM BEACH, Fla.) --A man whose two cars were wrecked in his own driveway last week listened in disbelief as another driver fleeing police plowed into two rental cars parked in the same spot.
"I was beyond livid, I was fit to be tied," said Bill Basante, of 3432 Lake Osborne Drive.
The second accident happened about 8 p.m. Thursday night, according to Lake Worth police. A 1999 Ford pickup driven by Ivan Coronel, 20, crashed into a rented Jeep just minutes after officers had attempted to stop the car on Sixth Avenue South, according to a police report.
The Jeep then crashed into a rented Chevy Tahoe parked next to it as the Ford hit a tree in Basante's yard and then went through the back fence.
Basante, who lives with his wife and 10-year-old son at the house, said police arrived shortly after he ran outside to see what happened.
Coronel, who had two passengers, faces charges of driving under the influence of alcohol and aggravated fleeing and eluding, police said.
"They were so inebriated, they had to pour them out of the vehicle," said Basante, who added he will urge placing speed bumps on the 30 mph road.
Six crashes occurred along Lake Osborne Drive since July 1, 2000, including three at Basante's address, police said.
A driver fleeing police ran into Basante's cars on March 7 and was caught by Basante.
A police spokeswoman said officers followed the city's pursuit guidelines in both instances.
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NEWS- Hostages escape, bank robber surrenders
Bank Robber Surrenders After Hostages Get Away
01/29/2002
ALHAMBRA, Calif., -- A bank robber demanding $50,000 took nine employees hostage when police surrounded the building Tuesday, but all the captives escaped -- most through bathroom windows -- and the man was forced to surrender.
The robber walked out of the bank and was quickly surrounded by SWAT officers who rushed him away in handcuffs. He had begun negotiating his surrender when he was left alone in the bank more than six hours into the siege, said Sgt. David Nater.
One male employee had walked out the front door, and four other men and four women escaped through bathroom windows.
"He was on the phone, kind of looked around, and realized he had no hostages," Nater said.
The last employees escaped shortly before 4 p.m. while the robber spoke by telephone with negotiators. Others had escaped during the hours-long standoff.
The unidentified man was taken to a police station, but it was uncertain whether police or FBI would take custody of him. Investigators were checking a backpack or duffel bag he left behind to see whether a weapon or money had been stashed inside.
The man entered Cathay Bank on North Atlantic Avenue not long after the branch opened, told employees he was armed and demanded money. No customers were in the bank.
Bank employees gave him some money and then triggered a silent alarm. Several tellers also e-mailed colleagues at other branches, telling them a robbery was in progress, said Irwin Wong, the bank's executive vice president.
Police surrounded the bank within minutes, trapping the robber inside, Nater said.
Nater said the employees in the bank were used as intermediaries to communicate with police by telephone and e-mail throughout the day.
In messages sent during the ordeal, the hostages reported that everyone remained calm, Wong said.
When asked what message he had for his employees during the standoff, Wong said, "Cooperate, be patient and they'll all hopefully be out safe."
A four-block area surrounding the bank, about 16 miles east of Los Angeles, was cordoned off. Residents and shopkeepers were evacuated, Nater said. The suspect also demanded a ban on news helicopters in the area.
An FBI special weapons and tactics team, as well as a SWAT team from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, assisted police.
Cathay Bank, founded in 1962, was the first Chinese-American-owned bank established in Southern California. It has 19 branches in the state.
Wong said the Alhambra branch did not employee a security guard.
"It frustrates me, but I don't know what we can do. We've had banks with guards, they still get robbed," Wong said.
The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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NEWS-Mexico protest shooting of immigrant
Mexico protests shooting of immigrant by U.S. Border Patrol agent
01/29/2002
MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Mexico protested the Monday shooting of a Mexican immigrant by a U.S. Border Patrol agent near Douglas, Arizona, saying the man was fleeing back into Mexico when he was shot in the back.
The Mexican government is considering filing a civil suit against the U.S. government for damages in the case, and demanded the U.S. Justice Department investigate the shooting, the Foreign Relations Secretariat said in a press statement.
Mexico identified the immigrant as Arturo Rosas Carmona, a native of the southern state of Tlaxcala. It said two of his brother helped the wounded man back across the fence, and that Mexican police then took him to a hospital in Agua Prieta -- across the border from Douglas -- where he was reported in stable condition.
"The Mexican government expresses its indignation for the shooting of our countryman, who was hit in the back ... as he jumped a metal fence to return to our country,'' according to the press statement.
Both the FBI and the Border Patrol were investigating the shooting.
FBI spokesman Ed Hall said the agent -- whom he would not identify -- was pursuing a group of illegal immigrants about two miles east of the Douglas. The agent detained three people, but some of the other immigrants managed to get over the fence into Mexico, Hall said.
Officials were investigating reports that the agent shot one of the people on the Mexican side of the border after he was attacked with rocks, Border Patrol spokesman Rob Daniels said.
"The Mexican consulate in Douglas has turned the case over to its lawyer, for the filing of a possible lawsuit against the U.S. federal government aimed at winning compensation for the injured Mexican,'' according to the press statement.
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NEWS- Gunman-killer sniffed out by K9
Gunman accused in Texas triple slaying captured after dog tracks his scent
01/30/2002
by Lisa Falkenberg, Associated Press
CALL, Texas (AP) -- A fugitive suspected of killing three people and wounding two others was captured by police Tuesday after a police dog tracked his scent.
Perry Anthony Stevenson, 42, was arrested near Call in southeast Texas, about a mile from the house where two of the three were killed. The dog tracked him to some woods.
He was arraigned on aggravated robbery charges and jailed on $500,000 bail. Newton County Sheriff Wayne Powell said he expects Stevenson also to be charged with murder.
Stevenson was wanted in Monday's shooting deaths of Mirian McElroy, 52 and two sisters, ages 10 and 14. A 5-year-old sister was hospitalized in good condition; the girls' mother was listed as critical.
The violence started early Monday when a man killed McElroy in Orange, set fire to the home where the shooting occurred, then stole a truck.
"She didn't know nothing about him,'' said McElroy's daughter, Priscilla Bailey of Kirbyville. "That's what scared me all the time.''
The stolen vehicle was found wrecked about 40 miles away, near Call, where a man broke into the home of Charles White and fired four shots into an empty bedroom.
"He said, 'I don't want to hurt anybody. I don't want to kill anybody,''' said White, 68, who was home with his wife.
White told the Beaumont Enterprise the man was carrying a Bible and a copy of the book "Alcoholics Anonymous.''
About 100 yards away, the man broke into the home of Gary and Gwen Pearson, where he shot Gwen Pearson and their three children.
Police said the man stole the Pearsons' vehicle, then wrecked it and ran into the woods near Call.
Neighbors of Stevenson and McElroy described him as a loner and a recluse.
"He just locked himself inside that trailer,'' Tammy Ambrose said.
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NEWS- Cops settle suit in fatal chase
COPS SETTLE SUIT OVER FATAL CHASE;
ADMIT NOLIABILITY IN DEATH OF ORADELL MOTHER OF 2
Bergen Record Corporation
The Record (Bergen County, NJ)...01/29/2002
Both sides claimed victory with the settlement Monday of a civil case stemming from a 1996 police chase that killed a 39-year-old Oradell mother.
Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed, although the two sides agreed that the two Washington Township police officers named as defendants would not admit any liability for the death on June 18, 1996, of Stephanie Carroll.
Carroll's widower, John, sued Sgt. Ryan Smith and Cpl. Rich Skinner, who were pursuing a suspect wanted in three violent purse snatches that day when the fatal crash occurred.
The suspect, Patrick Pantusco, eventually was convicted of felony murder and sentenced to 50 years following a criminal trial. Pantusco, who was also a defendant in the civil case, will not be eligible for parole for at least 30 years.
Opening arguments in the civil trial were presented last week before Superior Court Judge Isabel B. Stark in Hackensack. Before the trial could resume, the two sides reached a settlement Monday morning, after attorneys spent a couple of hours haggling over which photographs of the accident scene could be shown to jurors.
The prospect of a long, emotionally painful trial was a big factor in the decision to settle, John Carroll and his lawyers said.
"The thought of him having to put his kids through testimony in this courtroom and looking at Pantusco was more than he wanted to put them through," said Diane Lucianna, one of Carroll's attorneys.
The settlement money will be "put away for the children and, when they need it, they'll be in good shape," said Carroll, a computer software salesman who has since moved to Franklin Lakes with his 16-year-old son and 15-year-old daughter.
"The fact this is over is good. We could never move forward as a family until this was done," he said.
The settlement will be paid by the Bergen Municipal Joint Insurance Fund, which covers the costs of lawsuits filed against member towns and their employees.
In addition to that money, the Carrolls also won a $ 2.5 million judgment against Pantusco. The convict consented to the sum but told Stark he was destitute and had no way of paying it while in prison.
Stark told Pantusco the judgment would allow the Carrolls to get money from him in the future, in case Pantusco ever wins the lottery or invents a successful Internet company.
Skinner and Smith left the courtroom after exchanging handshakes with more than 20 police officers who turned out to show their support.
They expressed sympathy for the Carroll family but saw the settlement in a positive light.
"Sure, I'm happy with it," said Skinner, 34. "I think it shows we're not liable. " The Carrolls had contended that the officers knew it was Pantusco they were chasing and, as a result, had an obligation to call off the pursuit as the cars sped down Oradell Avenue around 5:30 p.m. on a Tuesday. They alleged that the chase reached speeds up to 80 mph and often crossed the center line into oncoming traffic.
Pantusco was driving a stolen Ford Explorer that plowed into Stephanie Carroll's car at Oradell Avenue and First Street. Pursuing officers arrested him on the spot, but Carroll died of her injuries. Her two children, who were also in the car, were not hurt.
Police officers in New Jersey typically receive immunity from litigation arising out of pursuits. As a result, most chase-related civil cases are dismissed before reaching the trial stage.
To prove their case, the Carrolls faced the tough standard of showing that the officers acted with "willful misconduct. " Skinner worried that the settlement might set a bad precedent -- at least psychologically, if not in the case law.
"Us being brought into civil court is sending a dangerous message to law enforcement that you could get second-guessed 6 1/2 years later by some defense attorney just for doing your job," Skinner said.
Despite terms of the settlement, Carroll insists he still believes the officers were partially to blame for his wife's death.
"I really believe they overstepped their bounds and made poor decisions," he said. "The bottom line is they didn't do their jobs that day.
"People understand what a settlement is, whether they admit guilt or not. They didn't get a settlement from us. We got a settlement from them. " John J. Robertelli, the lawyer representing the two officers, interpreted the settlement differently. Robertelli insisted he had a strong case and that the decision to settle was a financial one.
"It was a business decision" he said. "This trial would have cost a lot of money. No one is saying the officers did anything wrong that day. " In November, the Carrolls got a $ 295,000 settlement from Joe & Joe's Sunoco, the River Vale gas station where Pantusco stole the Explorer. The car had been parked with the keys inside.
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NEWS- Court upholds drug arrest in racial profile case
NJ Supreme Court Backs Drug Arrest In Profiling Case
Newsday (New York, NY)...01/29/2002
Trenton - Reversing two lower-court rulings, the New Jersey Supreme Court yesterday upheld the drug arrest of a woman who said she was a victim of racial profiling.
After Felicia Stovall was stopped and questioned at Newark International Airport in 1998, police found 47 pounds of marijuana in her luggage.
She was stopped after police were alerted by Los Angeles detectives that a "Hispanic woman" had gotten a ticket at an agency from which known drug offenders had secured tickets, and that she was carrying questionable identification.
Police in Newark found that Stovall's California-issued identification card had expired and said she appeared nervous while speaking with a detective. After a drug-sniffing dog responded to a scent, police opened her luggage and found the marijuana.
Lawyers for Stovall argued that police needed specific information about drug possession other than Stovall's ethnicity and ticket-purchasing habits - especially since Stovall is black, not Hispanic.
A Superior Court judge threw out the charges, saying Stovall was identified only by a racially based profile that did not give police just cause to detain her and search her property.
An appeals court upheld that ruling.
The Supreme Court reversed both those decisions yesterday. The majority opinion by Justice James R. Zazzali said the "totality of the circumstances" must be considered.
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Greg S. I have never heard of this unless the
person was carrying "Armour piercing" handgun ammo, which is illegal in texas and some other states. I will check further.
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Old blue, notice how any arrest that involved
police officers or political figures AND their family members are ALWAYS exploited? Just look at my previous post about Bush.
Always under the microscope.
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NEWS- Police arrest Jeb Bush's daughter
By BRENDAN FARRINGTON, Associated Press Writer
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - Gov. Jeb Bush's daughter was charged with prescription fraud Tuesday after she was arrested at a pharmacy drive-thru window while allegedly trying to buy the sedative Xanax.
Jeb Bush and his wife, Columba, issued a statement saying they were ``deeply saddened'' by the incident involving their only daughter, 24-year-old Noelle.
``This is a very serious problem,'' they said. ``Unfortunately, substance abuse is an issue confronting many families across our nation.''
Bush asked the public and the media to ``respect our family's privacy during this difficult time so that we can help our daughter.''
``We will have no further comment on this issue,'' Bush said.
A Walgreens pharmacist called police while Noelle Bush was waiting in her white Volkswagen in the drive-thru lane Tuesday morning, according to a Tallahassee Police report.
Monday night, a woman claiming to be a doctor called in a prescription for Xanax for Noelle Bush, police said.
The police report said a colleague of the doctor, Dr. Noel Scidmore, said he was no longer practicing in Tallahassee and the phoned-in prescription should be treated as fraudulent.
Pharmacist Carlos Zimmerman said Noelle Bush called the pharmacy to ask about the prescription and was told it couldn't be filled because no quantity was given, according to police. Someone claiming to be Scidmore called back and gave a quantity. When Noelle Bush called back she was told the prescription would be ready in about 40 minutes, according to the report.
Police were called when she arrived for the prescription.
Noelle Bush later admitted to police that the contact number for Scidmore that was left on the pharmacy answering machine was her second home phone line, investigators said.
Xanax, a sedative similar to Valium, is typically prescribed for anxiety or sleep problems.
Noelle Bush graduated from Tallahassee Community College in 2000 and attended Florida State University during the 2000-2001 academic year but is not currently enrolled, the university registrar's office said.
Her mother has worked on behalf of Informed Families of Florida, a nonprofit group involved in educating families about drug abuse.
Jeb and Columba Bush had said previously that one of their three children struggled with a drug problem following Bush's unsuccessful first run for governor in 1994. They did not say whether it was Noelle or one of her brothers.
President Bush (news - web sites)'s twin daughters, Jenna and Barbara, have been charged with underage drinking. Last May, Jenna was charged with using someone else's identification to try to buy a margarita at a restaurant, and Barbara was charged with underage drinking.
The charges were dropped after the twins performed community service, attended alcohol awareness classes and paid $100 fines. A separate underage drinking charge in April against Jenna Bush went on her record as a conviction because of the restaurant violation. A judge fined her $500 and suspended her license.
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Tha last post is frightening eom.
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NEWS- ex-Frio Deputy pleads guilty 24 counts
Ex-Frio deputy pleads guilty to 24 counts
By Sonja Garza
San Antonio Express-News
Web Posted : 01/29/2002 12:00 AM
The last of three former Frio County deputies accused of using their positions as law officers to steal, burglarize and destroy pleaded guilty Monday to civil rights violations, possession of stolen firearms and perjury.
Tim Otis Duncan, 31, struck a deal with federal prosecutors Monday morning as jury selection was set to begin in his trial.
Standing before U.S. District Judge Edward C. Prado, Duncan entered pleas to 24 federal charges, including conspiracy to violate civil rights.
"To all those charges, Mr. Duncan, how do you plead, guilty or not guilty?" Prado asked.
"Guilty," he replied.
Duncan, along with former Frio County Deputies Christopher James Westbrook and John Craig Waldrum, was charged with conspiring to "injure, oppress, threaten and intimidate" the community they were hired to protect.
The former law enforcement officers were accused of burglarizing, stealing and destroying property at homes and local businesses — while on duty and in uniform.
Indictments alleged the trio routinely used marked Frio County Sheriff's Department vehicles to transport stolen items from crime scenes and "initiated unlawful traffic stops of motorists as a pretext to commit unlawful searches and subsequent thefts."
The violations occurred from about June 1996 to February 2000 in Frio County, about 40 miles southwest of San Antonio, according to court documents.
Duncan's attorney, Alex Scharff, said his client decided to plead because "the risk of going to trial and losing was too great."
"For the benefit of his wife and kids and family, he decided to take the plea agreement," Scharff said.
The attorney said his client is expected to receive no more than 10 years in prison.
In his plea, Duncan admitted burning down a mobile home and torching a 1990 Buick.
He also admitted stealing property, including weapons from an evidence room at the Pearsall Police Department. Other stolen items included a television, a radio, binoculars, night-vision equipment, an electric saw, an antique dinner bell and a turkey call.
In addition, Duncan admitted lying to a federal grand jury about whether he or his co-defendants had extorted money from motorists or vandalized or stolen parts from a vehicle seized by the Sheriff's Department.
Duncan was the last defendant to plead guilty in the deputy corruption case.
Westbrook and Waldrum also have entered guilty pleas to charges of civil rights violations and possession of a stolen firearm.
The trio is set for sentencing March 28.
Westbrook and Waldrum last worked as deputies in December 2000, when a new sheriff chose not to rehire them; Duncan resigned in August 2000
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Interactive view of terrorist routes on 9/11
http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/gra/gflightpath2/flash.htm
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NEWS-Officer Suspended For Alleged Sexual Assault
Tuesday January 29 09:16 AM EST
Austin Police Officer Suspended For Alleged Sexual Assault
An Austin police officer is off the job for now, accused by the department of attempted sexual assault. Officer Wendell Poindexter has been placed on indefinite suspension. Police say Poindexter was the sergeant in charge of the Sex Crimes Unit. Assistant Police Chief Michael McDonald says Poindexter was on his way home from a gathering with family members more than three months ago when the attempted assault allegedly occurred. Poindexter isn't charged with a crime. Investigators have sent the case to the Travis County District Attorney's office.
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IMPORTANT STATISTICS
Number of physicians in the US: 700,000.
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year: 120,000. (U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services) Accidental deaths per physician: 0.171
Number of gun owners in the US: 80,000,000.
Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups):1,500.
Accidental deaths per gun owner: 0.0000188
Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
"FACT: Not everyone has a gun, but everyone has at least one Doctor."
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand.
As a Public Health Measure, I have withheld the statistic on Lawyers for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical care.
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NEWS-SAPD officer saves life with CPR
KENS 5 Eyewitness News
Web Posted : 01/25/2002 6:02 PM
A 14-year San Antonio police veteran is being hailed a hero after saving a child who almost drowned.
Officer Randy Harrison was just a mile away when he received a call that a two and a half year old boy had fallen into a pool.
He made his way to the house in the 700 block of Ridgemeont, arriving first on the scene.
The child's father was attempting to perform C.P.R. and Harrison offered to take over.
He was able to get the child breathing again. Officer Harrison says it could have been a lot worse if he hadn't gotten there when he did. "I've known C.P.R. for years and it's the first time I ever had to use it.”
As of Friday the child has been taken off a breathing apparatus, breathing on his own and talking.
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Dusty, something seems definitely wrong
there. Check with the fire marshall's office to see if the residence can be posted as "uninhabitable" due to the fire hazards or violations. Surely the fire marshall's office can do something because of this unsafe condition. Inspection?
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NEWS-Plea bargain life for cop killer (repeat)
Cop Killer Gets Life in Prison
2002-01-25 00:00:00
Hale gets life in prison
By ANITA MILLER - News Editor & CAROL COUGHLIN - Staff Reporter
SAN MARCOS, TX Death penalty opponents from around the globe flooded Hays County District Attorney Mike Wenk's office with letters, faxes and e-mails in the days and weeks before the scheduled start of 74-year-old cop killer Melvin Hale's capital murder trial, but their pleas fell on mostly deaf ears.
Yet when Hays County citizens called as prospective jurors were given the chance to voice their opinions, the district attorney listened -- intently.
On Thursday, the case came to a surprising end when Hale appeared before District Judge Charles Ramsay to plead guilty to gunning down DPS Trooper Randall Vetter. In the hastily arranged plea-bargain agreement, Wenk waived the option of death by lethal injection for a sentence of life in prison.
"This not only is the hardest decision I have had to make since being elected district attorney, this is easily the most difficult decision I have made in my nearly 20 year career as a prosecutor," Wenk said afterwards.
From the onset, Wenk -- who ran for office on a strong law enforcement platform -- had said death was the only "appropriate" punishment for Hale, who has not contested the fact that he shot Vetter on Aug. 3, 2000, as the trooper was preparing to write him a ticket for not wearing a seat belt.
That belief hasn't changed. "If it were Mr. Wenk in the jury box, Mr. Hale would be headed for death row," Wenk said. "Unfortunately, we don't put 12 D.A.'s in the jury box, we put 12 citizens."
Ninety-four citizens filled out jury questionnaires on Monday and were to report back to court Jan. 28 to begin hearing testimony in the case. Wenk said it wasn't until he began reviewing those questionnaires that their prevailing opinion began to overshadow his own.
"It has become abundantly clear that no jury of 12 Hays County citizens would agree beyond a reasonable doubt to impose the death penalty in this case," he summed up.
More than two-thirds of the prospective jurors who filled out questionnaires indicated they felt that life in prison, not death, was more acceptable in a case concerning an elderly defendant. Because Texas law mandates Hale must serve a minimum of 40 years before being eligible for parole, jurors concluded that Hale would die of natural causes long before that.
That attitude was foreshadowed during a hearing last week to determine if Hale was even competent to stand trial. Jurors in that case did judge him competent but with strong reservations, Wenk noted. "The jury was split 6-6 on whether or not the defendant was even "legally competent' -- and it was only after several more hours of deliberation on a second day that they could agree he should even stand trial. Even more compelling, during later discussions with those jurors, many of them "echoed' their conclusion that there is no way a jury will impose a death penalty against this defendant."
"The District Attorney took a real courageous stance in making this offer, given who was killed," said Carlos Garcia, one of Hale's two court-appointed attorneys. "Regardless of what other people may think, this was the right thing to do. It's a real courageous decision by an elected official to do this."
Garcia, who was planning to mount an insanity defense, agreed that the attitude of jurors and prospective jurors turned the tide.
Competency hearing jurors "were in agreement that (Hale) was competent, but most of them were in agreement that he was also mentally ill, so it changes the entire complexion of the case," he said. "Texas law assumes that life is the appropriate punishment in every case, unless certain extreme conditions are met. The law presumes life and it really, truly seemed that the community was wanting life. The question is, was justice served, and I think so."
Cynthia Vetter, the trooper's widow, said the plea both surprised and saddened her. "The disappointment is that there wasn't a jury and a courtroom full of people who got to see the evidence of what this man did. I haven't been able to talk about the evidence because of the pending trial, the pending investigation, and now no one will see it," she said. "I want everyone to know that this man is competent, that this man is not insane, that this was a planned, premeditated and calculated murder of a police officer."
When given the opportunity in open court to voice her opinion, Vetter displayed photographs of her once-happy family and spoke of how her dreams were shattered by Hale's actions. Still, she said, she understood the mechanisms at work. "They did not feel they could put together a jury that would deal the death penalty, so the option was: Take a life sentence today, or take a life sentence in a month. The outcome is the same, although according to the laws of Texas, Melvin Hale deserves the death penalty."
"I recognize the dedication and the sacrifice of law enforcement officers and I have always aggressively supported their work inside the courtroom," said Wenk, who is running for re-election this year. "While some have suggested that the principle of seeking the death penalty against this cop killer would justify proceeding with a jury trial, I can no longer endorse that argument in this case."
Wenk cited both ethical and fiscal reasons for his decision. Proceeding with a jury trial which would inevitably result in the same life sentence, he said, would prove costly to county taxpayers, through the cost of a trial itself, the expense of expert psychiatric witnesses, and the "further substantial legal costs" of the process.
"I fully understand the disappointment and frustration that the surviving members of the Randall Vetter family have as well as by some individual members of the law enforcement community. But the bottom line is for Melvin Hale, 40 years represents a death sentence. If there was anything that this office could do to reverse the tragedy of Aug. 3, 2000 ... I would not hesitate to do so. Unfortunately, continued prosecution of the case will not accomplish this," Wenk said.
Garcia said Hale knows and "has accepted" that he will spend the rest of his life in prison, but has maintained what the defense had argued during the competency hearing -- that he believes that "God is going to take care of everything."
Like many other things about the case, that rankles Cynthia Vetter. Vetter said she ended her victim impact statement by telling Hale "that my God and his God were different Gods, and my God was telling me that he was going to burn in Hell.
"It's debatable," she said later outside the courtroom, "whether or not our legal system provided justice -- but there is an eternal justice, and I do believe in that."
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NEWS-More police search powers in Calif.
Police car-search powers expanded by California court
01/26/2002
by Los Angeles Times
SAN FRANCISCO - Police in California may search cars without a warrant if a driver fails to produce a license or registration, the state Supreme Court ruled yesterday.
The high court, in a 4-3 vote, sided in favor of law enforcement despite sharply worded dissents declaring that such searches violate the U.S. Constitution.
Justice Joyce Kennard suggested the ruling may have been motivated by the Sept. 11 attacks.
California courts previously have allowed police making routine traffic stops to search for licenses and registrations in glove
compartments and under visors. The decision yesterday approves searches under seats and elsewhere when there is no reason to believe a crime has been committed, lawyers said.
The majority, in an opinion written by Chief Justice Ronald George, reasoned that police can look for documents to determine the identity of the driver and the owner of the vehicle. The ruling upheld two searches in which drugs were found under seats.
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NEWS-Use of Force confusion killing cops
01-28-2002
Japan
Looking for a way to lower the number of officers killed in the line of duty, Japan’s National Police Agency (NPA) has released new use-of-force guidelines.
With good reason. Last year three of Japan’s finest were stabbed or shot to death because they thought they were required to issue a verbal warning and fire a warning shot before using deadly force. Now Japanese police are being told in no uncertain terms that they can open fire without warning if a suspect places their lives or the lives of innocent civilians in imminent danger.
Previous use-of-force guidelines were so confusing that some Japanese cops were under the impression that they had to climb the force ladder one rung at a time--from baton, to verbal warning, to warning shot, to aimed shot--regardless of the threats they were facing. The results were tragic. In Tokyo last summer, a 51-year-old officer was mortally wounded by a knife attack as he fired a warning shot.
NPA’s new guidelines order officers to forego the warning shot in emergencies. However, police in Japan still face great scrutiny for even removing their pistols from their holsters while on duty, and the guidelines dictate in detail what circumstances allow them to draw their weapons, aim them, fire warning shots, or shoot at suspects.
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NEWS-Officer shoots man
Police offer of help touches off struggle
St. Petersburg Times...01/27/2002
The driver attacks the officer and then two other officers despite being shot, police say.
TAMPA - A Tampa police officer offering assistance to a stranded motorist Saturday morning ended up shooting the man after a violent struggle by the side of the road, police said.
Officer Charles Trigo, 42, was leaving an off-duty job as a security guard about 6 a.m. when he saw a burgundy Acura in the median on N 50th Street, just south of 26th Avenue.
The car had mud caked on its wheels and there were skid marks in the road, leading the officer to believe it had spun out of control, police spokeswoman Katie Hughes said.
Trigo, in uniform and driving a marked patrol car, stopped and got out to offer assistance. As the man approached, Trigo asked whether he could help, Hughes said.
"The suspect for no reason just attacks the officer," Hughes said. "A violent struggle ensues."
The man, 31-year-old James Alan Clark, of 7814 Pine Hill Drive in Tampa, broke free from Trigo and ran to the Acura, which belongs to his fiancee, Hughes said. He appeared to grab something, Hughes said, and Trigo pointed his gun and screamed for Clark to get out of the car.
As Clark got out of the Acura, he yelled to Trigo that he was going to kill him, Hughes said. He raised both arms and aimed an unknown, dark-colored object at Trigo, Hughes said.
Believing it was a weapon, Trigo, a 17-year veteran, fired several times, striking Clark in the right elbow and left hip, Hughes said.
But Clark didn't fall. He ran to Trigo's cruiser, which had the keys in the ignition, and jumped into the passenger seat, Hughes said.
About this time, a second officer arrived. John Womack, 31, happened to be working an off-duty job down the street and had heard Trigo's radio call for help and the gunshots. Womack, a six-year veteran, joined Trigo in trying to pull Clark from the cruiser.
Clark fought with the two officers until a third officer arrived, and they pulled Clark from the car. The third officer, Robert D. Cole, 28, was placing handcuffs on Clark when he grabbed Cole's gun from its holster, Hughes said.
Cole, a Tampa officer for three years, was able to wrestle his gun back, she said. Clark was handcuffed and taken to Tampa General Hospital, where he was listed in fair condition Saturday.
Trigo suffered bruises and a torn shirt. None of the officers required medical treatment.
"Considering these three officers were all struggling with the man (and didn't fire again) shows great professional restraint," Hughes said.
Hospital workers performed a preliminary drug screening and found cocaine in Clark's system, she said.
Why Clark attacked Trigo was not known Saturday. "We don't have a clear answer," Hughes said. "Clearly, his behavior was out of the norm, to say the least."
Hughes said police had not found the "dark-colored object" Trigo said Clark had pointed at him. "That's still under investigation," she said.
According to arrest records, Clark has been in and out of jail at least seven times since 1988 on charges including DUI, cocaine possession, aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer and robbery.
When he leaves the hospital, he is expected to be charged with assault on a law enforcement officer, depriving an officer of means of protection, three counts of battery on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence.
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NEWS-Officer arrested DWI in police car
OFF-DUTY OFFICER WHO RESPONDED TO CALL IS ISSUED DWI SUMMONS
St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Inc.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch...01/27/2002
A Goodman police officer was arrested after he allegedly drove a police cruiser while intoxicated and then helped chase down a suspect.
The officer was issued a summons for driving drunk Wednesday and was released. He has been suspended indefinitely.
The officer was off duty but on call Wednesday when he responded to a call for assistance from two Neosho police investigators. They were trying to serve a warrant on a Goodman man for alleged possession of marijuana and possession of methamphetamine when the man suddenly ran.
Other law enforcement authorities responding included a state trooper, a McDonald County deputy and a reserve deputy.
The officer who allegedly was intoxicated left the patrol car at one point to chase the suspect on foot. Although someone else captured the suspected, it was the officer who turned the man over to the state trooper, said Tom West, a city councilman and deputy police commissioner in Goodman.
"In the course of that contact, the trooper noticed that the Goodman officer appeared to be intoxicated," said Sgt. Terry Moore of the Missouri State Highway Patrol's Troop D office in Springfield.
The officer reportedly left the scene while the state trooper was still involved in the arrest of the suspect. The trooper later called West and told him that the Goodman officer had appeared to be drunk.
The mayor and another Goodman officer picked the officer up at his house and turned him over to the trooper, West said. The officer was taken to the McDonald County Sheriff's Department, where his blood-alcohol level tested at 0.095 percent. The legal threshold for drunken driving in Missouri is 0.08 percent.
The officer also has been suspended from duties as a reserve deputy in McDonald County, said West, who also serves as the undersheriff there.
McDonald County Sheriff Robert Evenson said an off-duty officer should not respond to calls if he or she has had even one drink. Officers on call are not supposed to drink.
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Diverdan ><>
I think some well placed stop sticks
would have been more effective. Deadly force was not appropriate in this case IMHO.
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NEWS- Officer cleared by Grand Jury
The Columbus Dispatch...01/26/2002
A Franklin County grand jury decided yesterday not to indict a Columbus police officer in the shooting death of a West Side man last year.
Jonathon L. Sharp was shot by Officer Wayne Wright after grabbing the gun of Wright's partner, Officer Richard Little.
The incident occurred about 2:30 a.m. Oct. 13 when police responded to a report of a domestic disturbance on N. Oakley Avenue.
After being shot, Sharp, 37, jumped a chain-link fence, drove away in a car and crashed into several parked cars on S. Ogden Avenue. He died a short time later inMount Carmel West hospital.
The grand jury heard from nine witnesses yesterday before making its decision, First Assistant County Prosecutor Ed Morgan said. Sharp had been shot four times, Morgan said.
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NEWS- Deputies cleared in shooting
Los Angeles Times...01/26/2002
Six Ventura County sheriff's deputies who shot a knife-wielding Thousand Oaks man more than two dozen times last year were cleared of wrongdoing Friday by the county district attorney's office.
Thomas Patton, 56, was shot and killed last October after a dispute with his wife. Patton allegedly confronted deputies with a 12-inch kitchen knife and failed to obey commands to drop the knife.
When Patton lunged, the deputies all fired, hitting him 26 times.
Investigators said a reasonable person could conclude deadly force was necessary to stop the attacker. Patton, they said, was given ample chance to surrender but he remained a threat.
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NEWS- Deputy resigns after shooting
The News and Observer (Raleigh, NC)...01/27/2002
Durham -- A former Durham sheriff's deputy could face criminal
charges after authorities said he fired three times at an
occupied vehicle.
Deputy M.O. "Mike" Hill had been on administrative leave since
the Jan. 5 incident. On Tuesday he resigned after a confidential
investigation and before he could be fired, he said.
"I won't say that I'm sorry because that's admitting guilt,
but I will say that the circumstances could have been different,"
he said. "I could have used better judgement. ... I did violate
department policy."
He had been with the department since August 1997 and was most
recently a school resource officer at Chewning Middle School.
Capt. Ricky Buchanan with the sheriff's office would not
comment further because the situation was handled as a personnel
matter. "I can tell you he's no longer employed here, that's it,"
Buchanan said.
Hill allegedly fired at a 1994 four-wheeler around 1 a.m. He
was off duty at the time.
Hill said the men, Darin Emil Robinson, 28, of 403 Darby Creek
Lane in Morrisville, and Kirk Page, 20, of 309 Spring Road in
Durham, were driving on the deputy's Allister Road lawn and
destroying rose bushes.
He said he yelled for them to leave.
They returned an hour later, so he shot at the snow twice.
Hill said he then stood in front of the vehicle. When the driver
seemed ready to run Hill over, he fired a third shot, he said.
One of the bullets likely punctured a tire.
The men then called authorities. Meanwhile Hill reported the
incident.
"All three rounds got me in trouble, really," Hill said.
It is unclear if Robinson or Page will file charges against
the former deputy.
"I don't have no idea what they're going to do," Buchanan
said.
Meanwhile, Hill said he could also file charges against the
men.
He is now working part time and considering applying to other
law-enforcement agencies.
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Thanks RH, we have worked hard on the team eom.
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bbgold, This is nothing new-
In Texas, if you participate in ANY part of the crime, you can be convicted of the entire crime. In other words, you and I hold up a bank. I drive the get away car while you go inside and do the deed. If you kill someone inside, we BOTH can be charged and convicted of Capital Murder which can result in the death penalty. There is no such thing as an "accomplice" in Texas. If you do any part of the crime, you did the crime.
Dan
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I use to, go to the BATF web site
and request a free booklet. At the web site they have the laws for each state and what states honor the CHL's of other states. I had one a few years back but it is probably out dated... if I can even find it. It had a two page spread sheet listing each state with "yes" or "no" filled on each question.
I.E. TEXAS - CHL YES Auto weapons - Yes, with FFL
On the main page, click on publications.
http://www.atf.treas.gov/jobs/index.htm
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In Texas that is call the 51% law.
You will see establishments with a sign posted outside that says "51%". That means the place makes over 50% of their revenue from alcoholic beverages and CHL holders are prohibited from entering with a gun.
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Here is the best part regarding Virginia
A concealed handgun license from another state IS recognized in Virginia. Good for them.
P. A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state shall be valid in the Commonwealth, provided (i) the issuing authority provides the means for instantaneous verification of the validity of all such permits or licenses issued within that state, accessible twenty-four hours a day, (ii) the requirements and qualifications of that state's law are adequate to prevent possession of a permit by persons who would be denied a permit in the Commonwealth under this section. The Superintendent of State Police shall (a) in consultation with the Office of the Attorney General determine whether states meet the requirements and qualifications of this section, (b) maintain a registry of such states on the Virginia Criminal Information Network (VCIN), and (c) make the registry available to law-enforcement officers for investigative purposes.
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Bullrider, State of Virginia
Here is the Virgina law on concealed handguns
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308
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Bullrider, regarding the use of deadly force
Here is the readers digest version in Texas. I assume most states are very similar to this:
The use of deadly force is authorized by you:
1. To defend yourself against the unlawful use of deadly force by another.
2. To defend a third party against the unlawful use of deadly force by another.
3. To protect your property from burglary, arson, etc.
3. To prevent the imminent commission of agg robbery, burglary, sexual assault, criminal mischief at night, arson, agg kidnapping, etc. and a few others that involve a deadly weapon or an instrument in the manner it is used can be considered a deadly weapon.
4. To stop someone who has already committed a violent crime involving a deadly weapon, and is fleeing while still having the means to commit further violence. (i.e. fleeing agg. robber with a gun ect.)
Here are the actual penal statues:
§ 9.21. Public Duty
§ 9.22. Necessity
§ 9.31. Self-Defense
§ 9.32. Deadly Force in Defense of Person
§ 9.33. Defense of Third Person
§ 9.34. Protection of Life or Health
§ 9.41. Protection of One's Own Property
§ 9.42. Deadly Force to Protect Property
§ 9.43. Protection of Third Person's Property
§ 9.44. Use of Device to Protect Property
§ 9.51. Arrest and Search
§ 9.52. Prevention of Escape From Custody
§ 9.53. Maintaining Security in Correctional Facility
More details on these can be found at this but these are from the State of Texas.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/pe/pe000900toc.html
Here is the Virginia Penal Code:
http://leg1.state.va.us/000/src.htm
Here is a place to find ALL the state codes from the US.
http://www.bright.net/~seek/codes.html
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