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Logman: One would think one's IQ would tell one that, wouldn't one? ;)
credo: Oh, I think everyone here has parallel thoughts, it's just the frustration of 6 years of woulda, coulda, shoulda at the hands of an incompetent that's really grinding on everyone. I have very little doubt but what the few posters who remain represent hundreds of thousands of dollars of lost revenue. AND, the real tragedy is that it WASN'T a bad investment! IMO, it was a solid investment, but we alllllllll know who's to blame for our collective woes. We came sooo close a year ago when Wolf took over -- so freaking close! But, good old Elbee managed to snatch defeat away from victory. Damn, but I hope he gets his one of these days! Damn!
I agree with the handcuffs for 'Ol Elbee for any number of reasons -- "Impersonating a CEO" being at the top of the list. As far as outright fraud is concerned, if Wolf Meyerfeld says the thing is real, if Elod Gyenge says it is real and if Alvin Snaper says it is real -- then, by all that's Holy, the sumbitch is real! The only fraud here has been perpetrated by Elbee -- the great pretender.
IMO, of course!
Welcome back, TD. What you see now is a shadow of what the company was at one time. All of Elbee's "correspondence" for the past many months were pumped informally through Hasher who, in his way, walked the fine line between getting us that information and warning us that it could be BS. After all, he WAS getting paid at the time. I understand that is no longer the case
Apparently there are some lawsuits and counter-suits that are mucking up the picture at present. When and if that is all cleared up remains a big question -- plus, once they are dispatched, are we going to like what is left of the company anyway?
In my opinion, there is zip -- nada -- bubkus, going to happen with this operation prior to Elbee's departure. At that point, I'll about bet that things will happen fast and profitably.
Good luck to all that remain.
krw: You know I can't arbitrarily bounce his posts. When he strikes out on his religious (or anti-religious) crap, that's when I and probably everyone else are offended to the point of dropping the censor hammer. LOL -- you guys can put him on "ignore" -- I can't -- I've got to scan his soliloquys for the ones that DO get totally out of hand. Chriminy -- I thought Paybar and Hoggboy were bad!
It's fairly apparent that Elbee has never kept his word on virtually anything and is being properly vilified for that trait. Soooooooooooooo, when one of our more prolific posters says he's going away and DOESN'T -- guess he's no better than you-know-who.
Those sites and the valuable information contained therein would probably be responsible for the huge influx of volume the past couple of days. lol
Looks like as if Elbee did something right -- the "E" is gone. We're somebody again!
dfh: Don, the number 30 (as in days) seems to ring a bell. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Lying Bastard LETS it go pink where the day-to-day fluctuations don't show up as easy.
logman: You are soooo right. I'm glad as hell that the only one that got hurt here was me (and my family, of course). Nobody that I know of invested as a result of my recommendation. That would be a pretty heavy load to carry. Unfortunately, it seems as if Elbee carries on fine without much if any remorse.
LOL, thinking back over the past 6 years and all the folks who invested, joined the OBC and then bailed out, I can't help but wonder what it would have been like should the right leader been in place from the outset. I'll bet Preamp's $100 figure wouldn't have been far off. I can also remember vividly being back-handed by one of our more smarmy posters for having the gall to actually criticize our fearless leader for one of the more stupid statements he passed on to us. Well, I haven't seen that particular poster for over a year now. If he still reads this thread -- and I hope he does -- I want him to please note the mistletoe attached to my shirt-tail.
Go Sox.
Tex: No, he didn't have anything to say about them and I forgot to ask. I would suspect that once Elbee is out of the picture (if that ever happens), most, if not all, of our past associations will probably re-surface. You'd have to have the mindset of a lemming to want to associate with the enigma known as Elbee.
preamp: Well, I did get hold of Hasher just a bit ago just to see how the lad was doing. As mad as everyone here is, he's probably madder than all of us put together. Not only is he out a substantial sum of dough like most of us, but he's out of work as well. In addition, and this probably pisses him more than anything, he got a lot of people involved with this thing based on his word and faith in the company.
I asked if he knew anything at all as to what, if anything, is happening with this corn-ball outfit. He is of the opinion that there is still a faint chance that the British will end up with the company. If so, they will keep the name intact and it SHOULD get its ass off the ground. The caveat to the entire thing, tho, is that Elbee must not be associated with the conmpany in any way. Further, they (the Brits) seem to be well aware of the legal unpleasantries and have been in contact with AS. How that was received by AS is known to AS and them only.
Soooooo, here we sit, brokenhearted -- go Sox.
Thanks Elbee -- eom
credo: You're absolutely right, pointing out someone's accusations as being probably incorrect is certainly no crime. It's the consistent harping on the subject that does no good. Further, if you're insinuating that by coming to the man's defense that I'm in league with Elbee, well, you better look under another bed, Sparky. There is nobody -- NOBODY, on this board who has been disenchanted with Elbee longer than Yours Truly. I'm sure anyone with a memory will vouch for that fact. Therooster has raised the white flag -- don't bayonet him in the belly.
Best regards,
Good move, credo. If I had someone like you out there ready to verbally pound me, I wouldn't stick my neck out either. Don't you think you've given therooster enough for a while?
peep: I'll not remove you permanently -- don't know if I could if I wanted to. Your posts, albeit too bloody lengthy sometimes can be pithy, informative and certainly ON topic. When you drift into the other arenas, however, you KNOW you're pissing people off and keep right on plowing into it anyway. By simply announcing OT at the beginning of a post, you think anything is readable. Well, that's not the case. On 9/11 of all dates, you're spouting about oil and nations and god (sic) and it is irritating and -- yes -- vulgar to a point.
Post if you wish, but please try to stay within reasonable parameters with your slights.
Thank you,
therooster: A.M.E.N. eom
therooster: Do I detect your doing a complete 180 regarding Elbee? If you're right about Snaper being so completely frosted that his vitrol is keeping the company from success, I would say that, in your own words -- SWINDLE -- he is perfectly justified. Seems to me that if Balak sees that his last two backers -- you and Logman -- have abandoned ship, it might, just might, hasten his exit.
Best Regards,
krw -- Gotcha -- lol
peep: I swear, man, you need an entire different category for some of your posts than simply OT. How about "Out of This World OT" or "You can't get any more OT than this OT"? You get the picture.
Maybe we can poll the audience for suggestions. Anyone?
Tex: Each and every one of us is entitled to his/her opinion. There are two very clear sides here. At one point, one side or the other will be proved correct. At that time, those who backed the wrong pony should and probably will admit same. I know that if Elbee ever performs "as intended", I'll be the first to apologize. Until that time, we all have the same goal -- making dough -- we aren't enemies and shouldn't be shooting each other in the knee.
Looking forward to a response, Rooster. Thank you.
Bushhawk: About the only chance we had at the manufacturing of the product was with the Swedes with whom Wolf was tight. They even offered to cough up the dough for some of the vaunted plates -- their cost. Elbee negated that possibility probably because he viewed the Swedish group as having too much control with that product. Sooooooooo, here we sit, brokenhearted..............paid a nickel...............
krw57 -- Good One! eom
Please place this firmly into the FWIW column, but rumor has it that there might well be a managament change in the not-too-distant future. Seeing as how there is but one individual even remotely referred to as "management", perhaps, just perhaps Elbee's time is at hand.
Thank you, gentlemen. eom
FWIW -- There were about 150,000 shares trded in the last couple of minutes at 3.2. Dunno if that was a bid or ask. Maybe Elbee was out of toilet paper and got some cheap.
peep: I think you left the wrong link. However, IMO, what happened with Wolf and LB was simply a matter of laying the cards on the table including all the possibly distasteful scenarios should Elbee not resign as Pres/CEO. Faced with potential lawsuits or maybe even jail-time, Elbee relented and Wolf took over. Some of the first things Wolf needed was the company books. Elbee wouldn't relinquish them, or all of them, at any rate. It was then that Elbee blew smoke up the directors' butts and regained control. At what point Snaper became disenfranchised with the whole thing I cannot really say. I know it was said that he had actually resigned almost a full year prior to the "unpleasantness" but that Elbee refused to recognize the resignation. Again, all of what is said here is IMO, IMO, IMO. It seems to me, though, that if Elbee begrudgingly bailed as Pres based on what might happen to him and then took it away from Wolf rather than give up the books, perhaps he viewed the potential harm from opening the books as more unhealthy to him than that which was awaiting him from Wolf and Snaper???
Mark my words, when the smoke finally clears, there's going to be repercussions at some point in the future that might just delve into some pretty sleazy depths. And who is it that will be hurt the most? You got it -- Joe shareholder. -- I-M-O.
Bullowl: If I were Wolf, I'd be quiet too. Every time he said anything at all on this board or via Hasher, he was roundly vilified. He's got a sh!tpot of his own money sunk into this thing too. If there's anything he CAN do, it's probably being done behind the scenes. I suspect that the best thing for anyone to do right now is let Elbee hang himself.
MLF asks what has happened with the Chinese. Dollars to donuts says they've disected our little toy and are probably on the verge of carpet bombing the market with their own version. Patents be damned -- nobody has the muscle to sue them and if they did (sue them, that is), it would take years of litigation which would cost money that nobody has. Chriminy, am I glad the North Koreans didn't get their hands on it -- or did they? Hmmmmmm
The very real tragedy here is the fact that, at one time, we all believed in both the technology and the men behind it. Most of us still believe in the technology, myself included, but find ourselves at each other's throats as a result of one individual. The fact that some of us either do or do not have faith in what's left of company management doesn't make us bad people -- just human. Thanks Elbee. You done real good.
Wow, the price stayed the same today. Would this be considered an "up" day?
The directors, as I understand the situation, consists of Hugo and a dude in England -- both of which are under Elbee's spell. They have to be -- they actually voted Wolf down and Elbee back in again. My guess would be that they don't give a rat's behind as to the happenings with the "company".
Insofar as the "directors" are concerned, IMO their ONLY concern is the number of shares they have been promised, paid or owed. How someone with Hugo Pomrehn's background and stature can watch what's happening without some pretty serious guilt is beyond me.
Bayjammer: Didn't see that -- must've been one of those Freudian (SP?) slips I keep hearing about. Would conclude with LOL, but -- well, you know...............
Methinks the "Visionary" from China didn't think muck of our future.
peep, I feel for ya, old buddy. Those questions and many, many more have been asked over the past weeks, months and years. Absolutely nothing worse than absolute silence, is there? Does the silence mean that something is being held close to the vest or does it mean that there ain't a damned thing happening? Depends on your outlook on life, I suppose. I've made it fairly clear over the years what MY outlook is -- right or wrong. I'm not the type of person who could have possibly played the piano to soothe the passengers while the Titanic was going nose-down.
Maybe our newest member, the ever complimentary Petross will meet with Elbee and come up with some straight dope. I've got money says that if the meeting ever DID take place, old Elbee would bluff his way out of the confrontation just as he has every other heated face-to-face over the years. Rumor has it he talked his way out of having his legs broken once and actually HIRED the guy. That is strictly rumor and totally unsubstantiated, but I tend to believe it.
I've dumped all but a few thousand of my pieces of toilet paper. It's surprising how much better my stomach feels after having done so. There's lots of time to get back in should the day arrive that Elbee is purged and thrown the hell out. Until then, though, I'll keep a couple of thousand shares just in case...............
OT -- hotdog -- lol, no good deed goes unpunished, eh?
Geez, peep, where was your OT preamble?
I see the ending "ask" is 3.5 cents. Reminds me of a very old joke my father told me once-upon-a-time. The punch line was:
"3-5, 3-5, 3-5, 3-5". Anybody remember that one? If so, you'll have to agree it is TOTALLY APROPOS. lol
peep: It would appear as if the only thing he is doing right is what's right for HIM and we all know that what's right for him is poison for us. He's done all right for himself, having taken the company from $5 per share to a nickel, all while doing some traveling, eating, drinking, driving and all-around living high-on-the-hog. Why would he want to ruin that scenario by doing the right thing?