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Petross: Hope that blood clot thing gets better for ya, fella. High blood pressure doesn't help much for that condition, does it? Maybe some valium?
All the best in your health and investing endeavors -- really.
pegasus -- lol -- you got that right, the losses, that is. Ain't a bloody thing I can do about it, tho, until the day that Elbee shows up at my door begging for forgiveness. Gee, would that be a swell day, or what!
Petross: You know, it really is funny watching you in your attempts to pick a fight here. What's really funny, though, is that the more you try, the more you're ignored. You even try to bug people by beginning and ending your posts the same way they posted back to you. Pretty pathetic stuff there fella.
Anyway, since you seem to envision yourself as Clark Kent searching for "Truth, justice .......etc" (lol), how about your answer to my question to you regarding your planned trip to see Balak? I believe you brushed me off with: "Plans changed (health wise). I was unable to fly. Then, of course, you deftly moved on to blaming everyone else for "dancing, silence....." etc.
Well, in the interest of honesty, why not answer a few questions for the folks on the board.
1. What was the health issue that forced the cancellation of the visit?
2. Was there ever a trip actually planned?
3. Is Elbee actually a friend and/or relative that you are secretly trying to buy shares for (seeing as how once Elbee quits, the price will undoubtedly double in a day).
4. What airline were you planning to use?
5. Are you and "Pegasus" going steady?
The truth now, Petross or BlueEye or BrownEye or whatever. The people here DEMAND the TRUTH!
So, I take it you'll be pulling up stakes and moving over there? Buh-bye.
OT:
Subject: What has happened
Boy, this is an eye opener!!!
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone State and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer registration tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was
the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the
largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What the H--- happened?
Check my last -- I wish everyone who is pounding on the man please refrain from doing so. It looked like I meant that everyone was beating him up -- no so.
Sorry.
No, I think I answered it as best I could -- in either event, Elbee would have to get out. Whether AS wins or Elbee wins, Elbee will have to go.
Let's say AS wins the bloody thing. Elbee would have to leave, probably scratching and clawing, but he WOULD go. If necessary, AS or the new CEO would replace the Board with individuals whose interest is more than their own pockets being filled with 2 cent shares. In comes WM and out goes Elbee. If there was any glitch to that scenario, AS could shop the patent as he wished. Hopefully, there's enough going on behind the scenes to scotch that possibility.
Does the company have a chance at survival? Damned right it does! Why does it have a chance? Because the technology is real, the results are real, the people who were involved are real (for the most part) and there is a very real need for this product. The ONLY item that this company has been lacking -- and that has been for several years now -- is bona fide leadership. Instead, we've had BONER leadership.
Now, Petross, if you think that my musings have any more gravity than anyone else's on this or any other board, you're mistaken. I don't see what I could possibly add to MY opinions that hasn't been stated ad nauseum. IMO, there have been NO hypsters of this issue for one very long time. From time-to-time, several posters have put forth their opinion that Elbee was on the up-and-up and that he would lead us to the promised land. That was THEIR OPINION and carried no more gravity than that which I have just penned. Not logman, rooster, myself or hasher or anyone else that I can think of has hyped this stock -- only opined that they thought it was going to make us some money. Well, someone had to be wrong, didn't they? Too bad it was those who hitched their wagon to Elbee's leathers. I would much preferred that it be ME who was wrong about Elbee.
One final word before closing. IMO, Hasher has NEVER, NEVER intentionally lead anyone here in the wrong direction. While an employee of the company, he passed on information that he was told to pass on -- and paid for doing so. BUT, each of those news nuggets carried the caveat that it originated from someone else -- most likely Elbee and, therefore, was suspect in all or some of the content. I wish everyone would quit pounding on the man. He did what he could do and got burned just like the rest of us.
Geez, I just looked at the length of this tome and feel like Peep. lol
Sorry!
If Elbee wins, one of two things will happen. 1) He will FINALLY see that the only way he is ever going to capitalize on all those shares is to move aside, take his box of Crayolas and go color his Scoobie-Doo coloring book at some bar in Vancouver while someone with real credentials and contacts takes the helm -- or
(2)
The end of a perfectly good company and technology.
All IMO, of course.
Petross:
For your reading entertainment, your answers follow;
Att: logman, rooster, hasher, trainz:
If you all could be so kind and enlighten the the board with YOUR OPINION, and answer these questions:
Questions:
1) Who OWNS PWTC?
Ans: At present, this is still a public "company" which makes you and I the "owners" of one of the most hugely squandered opportunities to have ever come down the pike.
2) If AS wins the trial, does he own PWTC and there everyday business?
Ans: IMO, if he were to win the trial, he wouldn't own PWTC, but he COULD own the patent. IMO again, PWTC would disappear and the technology shopped unless LB gets the hell out.
3) Do you really think AS (if he wins the battery/patent/ownership) will make a go of PWTC, or go to a larger, more developed company......
Ans: See No. 2
4) Do you really think all will be proven and determined in one day in court?
Ans.: No, IMO, once faced with the impending date of a court trial, Elbee will settle and the only possible fashion in which he could settle is to disappear from our line of vision (and AS's).
5)Do you honestly believe there a hope for this comany? With LB and or AS at the helm? if so, why?
Ans: Certainly NOT with Elbee in "control". With AS, most certainly.
It was several YEARS ago that I (and preamp) raised the red flag regarding our favorite CEO wannabe. We were roundly criticized for having the audacity to even suggest that Elbee was a bum. I just wish old AS would have put his pipe up Elbee's butt THEN!
I got the drift that the trial was in Vegas which raises the spectre of ol' Elbee getting his butt shackled as soon as he sets foot in the state. If it IS in Vegas, and it's a civil suit, it seems to me it would be in his best interest to settle prior to the actual proceedings. But, wince when has old Elbee done the right thing, anywaY.
Petross:
You said;
"I will be traveling to Vancouver in the end of Sept. I am planning to set some time aside to meet and greet with Lee Balak.
Can someone please post all contact information I need to set up a meeting with Lee,
Thanking You In Advance !"
Perhaps it should be we who are asking you some questions. How did that meeting go? Is Elbee the giant of industry that we all know he must be? How was the trip to Vancouver? Did you look up Hasher while you were there?
Thanking you in advance.
OT: Hotdog, I'll bet your son is wishing this cold would go away. Bloody miserable out there, I'll tell you. Thanks for the well-wishes.
OT -- Logman, thank therooster (aka Mushroom) for me. I certainly appreciate the good wishes.
OT: Thanks guys, I had hoped the response would be precisely what it was. Some things in life are important -- others, not so much. Thanks again!
OT: I just became a grandfather for the third time recently. Her name is Allison and she is one happy and dearly loved grandchild.
Back at you, Preamp. Fortunately, we no longer need the promise of Powertec to help brighten the new year. If it happens, it happens. Personally, I don't really think it will OR, by the time it does, there will be a newer, better and more innovative answer to the problems we're facing with fossil fuels.
What a load!
My last post to you was to insinuate that you should have a nice thanksgiving, meal-mouth!
peep: Just for chits and giggles, do you think you can POSSIBLY stifle yourself until such time as you've got something even remotely fresh and new to say? Pulleeeeze shut up, fer chrissake! BUT, have a good Thanksgiving anyway -- as well as everyone else here who's caught with this turkey.
Logman: One would think one's IQ would tell one that, wouldn't one? ;)
credo: Oh, I think everyone here has parallel thoughts, it's just the frustration of 6 years of woulda, coulda, shoulda at the hands of an incompetent that's really grinding on everyone. I have very little doubt but what the few posters who remain represent hundreds of thousands of dollars of lost revenue. AND, the real tragedy is that it WASN'T a bad investment! IMO, it was a solid investment, but we alllllllll know who's to blame for our collective woes. We came sooo close a year ago when Wolf took over -- so freaking close! But, good old Elbee managed to snatch defeat away from victory. Damn, but I hope he gets his one of these days! Damn!
I agree with the handcuffs for 'Ol Elbee for any number of reasons -- "Impersonating a CEO" being at the top of the list. As far as outright fraud is concerned, if Wolf Meyerfeld says the thing is real, if Elod Gyenge says it is real and if Alvin Snaper says it is real -- then, by all that's Holy, the sumbitch is real! The only fraud here has been perpetrated by Elbee -- the great pretender.
IMO, of course!
Welcome back, TD. What you see now is a shadow of what the company was at one time. All of Elbee's "correspondence" for the past many months were pumped informally through Hasher who, in his way, walked the fine line between getting us that information and warning us that it could be BS. After all, he WAS getting paid at the time. I understand that is no longer the case
Apparently there are some lawsuits and counter-suits that are mucking up the picture at present. When and if that is all cleared up remains a big question -- plus, once they are dispatched, are we going to like what is left of the company anyway?
In my opinion, there is zip -- nada -- bubkus, going to happen with this operation prior to Elbee's departure. At that point, I'll about bet that things will happen fast and profitably.
Good luck to all that remain.
krw: You know I can't arbitrarily bounce his posts. When he strikes out on his religious (or anti-religious) crap, that's when I and probably everyone else are offended to the point of dropping the censor hammer. LOL -- you guys can put him on "ignore" -- I can't -- I've got to scan his soliloquys for the ones that DO get totally out of hand. Chriminy -- I thought Paybar and Hoggboy were bad!
It's fairly apparent that Elbee has never kept his word on virtually anything and is being properly vilified for that trait. Soooooooooooooo, when one of our more prolific posters says he's going away and DOESN'T -- guess he's no better than you-know-who.
Those sites and the valuable information contained therein would probably be responsible for the huge influx of volume the past couple of days. lol
Looks like as if Elbee did something right -- the "E" is gone. We're somebody again!
dfh: Don, the number 30 (as in days) seems to ring a bell. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Lying Bastard LETS it go pink where the day-to-day fluctuations don't show up as easy.
logman: You are soooo right. I'm glad as hell that the only one that got hurt here was me (and my family, of course). Nobody that I know of invested as a result of my recommendation. That would be a pretty heavy load to carry. Unfortunately, it seems as if Elbee carries on fine without much if any remorse.
LOL, thinking back over the past 6 years and all the folks who invested, joined the OBC and then bailed out, I can't help but wonder what it would have been like should the right leader been in place from the outset. I'll bet Preamp's $100 figure wouldn't have been far off. I can also remember vividly being back-handed by one of our more smarmy posters for having the gall to actually criticize our fearless leader for one of the more stupid statements he passed on to us. Well, I haven't seen that particular poster for over a year now. If he still reads this thread -- and I hope he does -- I want him to please note the mistletoe attached to my shirt-tail.
Go Sox.
Tex: No, he didn't have anything to say about them and I forgot to ask. I would suspect that once Elbee is out of the picture (if that ever happens), most, if not all, of our past associations will probably re-surface. You'd have to have the mindset of a lemming to want to associate with the enigma known as Elbee.
preamp: Well, I did get hold of Hasher just a bit ago just to see how the lad was doing. As mad as everyone here is, he's probably madder than all of us put together. Not only is he out a substantial sum of dough like most of us, but he's out of work as well. In addition, and this probably pisses him more than anything, he got a lot of people involved with this thing based on his word and faith in the company.
I asked if he knew anything at all as to what, if anything, is happening with this corn-ball outfit. He is of the opinion that there is still a faint chance that the British will end up with the company. If so, they will keep the name intact and it SHOULD get its ass off the ground. The caveat to the entire thing, tho, is that Elbee must not be associated with the conmpany in any way. Further, they (the Brits) seem to be well aware of the legal unpleasantries and have been in contact with AS. How that was received by AS is known to AS and them only.
Soooooo, here we sit, brokenhearted -- go Sox.
Thanks Elbee -- eom
credo: You're absolutely right, pointing out someone's accusations as being probably incorrect is certainly no crime. It's the consistent harping on the subject that does no good. Further, if you're insinuating that by coming to the man's defense that I'm in league with Elbee, well, you better look under another bed, Sparky. There is nobody -- NOBODY, on this board who has been disenchanted with Elbee longer than Yours Truly. I'm sure anyone with a memory will vouch for that fact. Therooster has raised the white flag -- don't bayonet him in the belly.
Best regards,
Good move, credo. If I had someone like you out there ready to verbally pound me, I wouldn't stick my neck out either. Don't you think you've given therooster enough for a while?
peep: I'll not remove you permanently -- don't know if I could if I wanted to. Your posts, albeit too bloody lengthy sometimes can be pithy, informative and certainly ON topic. When you drift into the other arenas, however, you KNOW you're pissing people off and keep right on plowing into it anyway. By simply announcing OT at the beginning of a post, you think anything is readable. Well, that's not the case. On 9/11 of all dates, you're spouting about oil and nations and god (sic) and it is irritating and -- yes -- vulgar to a point.
Post if you wish, but please try to stay within reasonable parameters with your slights.
Thank you,
therooster: A.M.E.N. eom
therooster: Do I detect your doing a complete 180 regarding Elbee? If you're right about Snaper being so completely frosted that his vitrol is keeping the company from success, I would say that, in your own words -- SWINDLE -- he is perfectly justified. Seems to me that if Balak sees that his last two backers -- you and Logman -- have abandoned ship, it might, just might, hasten his exit.
Best Regards,
krw -- Gotcha -- lol
peep: I swear, man, you need an entire different category for some of your posts than simply OT. How about "Out of This World OT" or "You can't get any more OT than this OT"? You get the picture.
Maybe we can poll the audience for suggestions. Anyone?
Tex: Each and every one of us is entitled to his/her opinion. There are two very clear sides here. At one point, one side or the other will be proved correct. At that time, those who backed the wrong pony should and probably will admit same. I know that if Elbee ever performs "as intended", I'll be the first to apologize. Until that time, we all have the same goal -- making dough -- we aren't enemies and shouldn't be shooting each other in the knee.
Looking forward to a response, Rooster. Thank you.