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BTK, wow, such a mis-interpretation I've never seen before...
"...Wave is PROHIBITED from participating in any round one finread fun and games"
In fact, the email I received from FINREAD below should put your misconceptions to est
From: William Vanobberghen
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:34 PM
Subject: Réf. : Re: Réf. : Re: Réf. : Re: Message envoyé depuis le site finread.com
Of course, they may (and we encourage them to do so....), but the decision is up to them and is part of their commercial strategy !
William
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Okay, that makes sense.
Is it correct though, that once FINREAD is implemented that Wave will have the opportunity to provide services/readers even if they are not a partner within the framework of the Trusted FINREAD project?
Thanks again for your time with this.
----- Original Message -----
From: William Vanobberghen
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 8:27 PM
Subject: Réf. : Re: Réf. : Re: Message envoyé depuis le site finread.com
Tony,
Unfortunately I have no information on current Wave Systems developments as regards FINREAD.
Wave Systems is not part of the trail [sic] which is restricted to partners being legally bound in a contract with the European Commission in the framework of the Trusted FINREAD project.
With kind regards,
William VANOBBERGHEN
OT - Technology beat.
One of the few things I liked about Red Planet (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0199753/combined ) (besides Carrie-Anne Moss) was the flexible display computer screen they unfurled to locate where they were on the surface of Mars.
I remember telling my brother in law at the time (who saw the movie with me) that I wanted one of those things...
They're getting closer.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/09/24/epaper.new.reut/index.html
Using a process called electrowetting, the scientists claim to be able to manipulate colored oils in the pixels on the page with such speed and accuracy as to be able to generate clear and accurate video displays.
"The reflectivity and contrast of our system approach those of paper," they wrote in the science journal Nature. "In addition, we demonstrate a color concept which is intrinsically four times brighter than reflective liquid-crystal displays and twice as bright as other emerging technologies."
p.s., I also liked the way the 'old' Mars Rover was used...that was clever
That's a NICE grub...
crunchie on the ouside, chewy in the middle
awk, you can shortcut that link to the message by typing
#msg-1475328
(no hidden characters...exactly as written)
Welcome back Catherine, hope all is well with you ane yours,
Cheers,
eamonnshute
(aka Tony McFadden)
michael usa, they are not the same thing.
Someone, somewhere on this board equated them, incorrectly
In any event, the GRH pic was posted on this board by (I think) Doma or awk with TPM indicated with a red arrow. It exists today. I am still trying to pry from my Intel contacts the shipping date.
Prescott is significantly different...a 90nm fab process that is supposed to cram more into the chip...including, some believe, some Wave IP. I have yet to convince myself of that...
And there is so much conflicting information on this board because NO ONE here has a 100% picture of what is going on. Where we have a gap, we grab something that sounds or looks good and try to stick it in.
Sorta like putting together a puzzle...with all of the pieces upside down.
[edit]
here's the pic
babelfish translated accompanying text:
Intel presented today on the IDF the first Micro ATX Mainboard (D865GRH) with the so-called Trusted Platform of modules (TPM) also to Fritz chip mentioned. Of Infineon manufactured the TPM module co-operates only with special safe software and en and decodes their data. Normal software functions naturally also further on the TPM Mainboard introduced by Intel. Each TPM module is provided with own keys, so that it is to be cracked only with difficulty. In case of a loss of the module the data did not disappear however on eternal: Intel and Infineon have re-establishment possibilities, in order to approach to the coded data
Finally, from Intel,
The Intel® 875P chipset is designed for systems based on the Intel® Pentium® 4 processor or the processor code named Prescott
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/datashts/252525.htm
The D865GRH announced by Intel (with Infineon TPM and Wave ETS) at IDF, and Prescott are two different animals.
Prescott is available Dec 2003. The GRH was available to see and touch (if reports are accurate) at the show, indicating, at least to me, that production runs are imminent, if not already actual.
http://developer.intel.com/design/product.htm
Keep an eye here for product news...
EASE OF USE
Back when I got my first desktop (late 80's, prehistoric amber screen days) adding memory, or a hard drive, was not a rivial task. config.sys needed to be changed, autoexec.bat may also need to be modified. Mouse? That was the furry thing in the corner. DOS was THE operating system. They were basically unifunctional machines, with crappy video. The sound blaster card was the addition to have. At well over $100.
What I'm trying to say is that people didn't expect it to be easy to work on a machine, and vendors of both software and hardware could get away with cryptic and long-winded instructions.
Things have changed.
Yesterday I bought a PCI card with 2 USB2.0 ports and 2 firewire ports for my Packard-Bell desktop. I'm running a fully update Windows XP. After installing the card (in the last remaining slot) and turning on the box, XP found the drivers, chugged and whirred for about 5 minutes, and voila...it works fine.
By the way, the card cost me the equivalent of $39 (USD).
New additions to the platform now have to be cheap, and idiot-proof. Problems, complications, requirement for more than the most basic of thought will not be tolerated by the average user.
I think the services Wave are offering will be invisible AND EXPECTED by the computer users. And for that reason, and that reason alone, WAVE will have enormous success...
extelecom, from a German website, found by a long time poster, Doma...
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.hard-tweakers.de/include.php%...
#msg-1475036
dumbing down...
Now, I'm not going to pretend that TV personalities are higher than average IQ individuals, but come on...
Watching Monday Night football (which, here in Singapore, is a tape delayed Sunday night game). Dolphins v/s Buffalo Bills. Fiedler throws a long one in the second half, and the receiver(intended receiver) stretched horizontally and just missed grabbing the pass. The color commentator says:
"He mad a galliant attempt at catching that..."
Galliant?
Galliant??
Was it a GALLANT attempt, ot a VALIANT attempt?
Both?
Did he invent a new word, or has that been around for a while and I just didn't notice it before?
Larry, sorry to see you leave the Wave board, but I understand why you left.
some of your assumptions weren't correct, but instead of trying to point that out to you, you got cross-checked from all sides...
You can also get some software (ad-aware is one...spybot another...google them to find download sites) that lets you clean trojans (not the condoms) and scumware from your computer.
Ad-aware is nice because it lets you select which cookies you want to keep (like the banking or iHub cookies) and trash the others...
This is something that I do at least weekly, sometimes more often...
I'd argue that point...
except I agree.
Cheers.
Novo,
...if we had a boat we'd prolly end up in Singapore when headed for Galveston...
Well, look me up if you do!
This has been posted before, right?
http://www.iapplianceweb.com/printableArticle?doc_id=OEG20030919S0067
IDF: Prescott's LeGrand promoted for trusted-computing
By Rick Merritt, iApplianceWeb
Sep 19, 2003 (5:53 PM)
URL: http://www.iapplianceweb.com/story/OEG20030919S0067
SAN JOSE, Calif. - Intel Corp. advanced an ambitious systems security effort at its fall Developers Form based on the so-called LeGrand technology that's built into Prescott, its next-generation Pentium. The disclosure comes as IBM, Hewlett-Packard and Nokia lay the groundwork for using the technology in their own PCs and handsets.
...
Sprague of Wave Systems had initially lobbied for a more complex, programmable TPM chip so that systems could be upgraded once hackers found inevitable holes in the scheme. But OEMs and CPU makers balked at putting a $10 security coprocessor into a PC, favoring today's $2 fixed-function TPMs.
"My expectation is that in a couple of years the market will want a programmable chip. Security has always changed over time. Once it gets hacked you are going to want a program that can be renewed," said Sprague, whose company already sells such a chip. He estimated that a trusted PC will carry only a $20 price premium over a standard model.
I am shocked...
So what if L.D. went to IDF and doesn't want to share what he found out? He's not obligated to.
Who cares if he thinks there's going to be a full quarter delay (and I should point out we don't know WHAT is being delayed).
I we moved into a new neighborhood, and my kids treated one of the neighbors the way this board has treated Dudash, I'd ground them for a week.
He has a different slant. So freaking what. Do his opinions matter that much to you that you have to lower yourself to attack?
I think his TA has been right on. His FA doesn't agree with my FA, but so. freaking. what.
I'm embarrassed for the board.
I'm gone from here for awhile.
bleufang, I admit full and total confusion with this statement of yours:
If and when we deploy, we will all face yet more dilution, yet another blow to the very people who have stood by the company through the bad times. And whose fault is that? It is ours, for allowing bad behavior to go uncriticized
Where is the causal effect between deployment and dilution?
Just saw Vanilla Sky on HBO (slightly edited here in Asia)
I have no idea what that was about. The only thing I took away from that movie is that Cameron Diaz and Penelope Cruz are two completely different kinds of beautiful.
Everything else is...uncertain.
Will have to get the DVD so I can watch it a couple of dozen times...
allman, but that's only the Intel President and COO...What does he know?
;^)
By the way, Prescott's timing is, for the most part, moot. The 865GRH populated "Safer Computing Platform Solution" schedule is the immediate concern.
ROFL
You've got to be a juggler to know what's going on.
Duke, thanks, but...
credit goes to kevin_s5 (and go-kitesurf)
barge, barge, barge...skipping through the posts again?
Don't thank me, it was picked up from IDF by kevin_s5 and posted by go-kite.
check messages #msg-1460054, #msg-1460216 and #msg-1460491
wavxmaster, one is a zip file, and the other is pdf. rather than try to open them from the link (which would happen if you click on them) right click and select 'Save Target as..."
This will allow you to save the files to you computer to view offline...
1wavoid (and doma)
Not EVERY motherboard, just the one that I see...
bluef, one comment:
So, why was Wave not featured by Intel in any of the literature, talks, and papers issued?
Anyone here speak Norwegian?
http://www.hardware.no/nyheter/august03/intel_sikker_pc.html
Intel har inngått en avtale med Waves Systems, for levering av programvare som skal kunne gjøre systemer sikrere.
...or Hungarian?
http://hirek.prim.hu/cikk/34348/?sr=agmti
Említésre méltó, hogy az Intel mostani bejelentésének következtében a Wave Systems részvényeinek értéke rövid idõn belül mintegy 168 százalékkal növekedett. Brian Berger, a Wave Systems üzletfejlesztési részlegének alelnöke az üggyel kapcsolatban elmondta, hogy cége az elmúlt idõkben szoros együttmûködést folytatott az Intellel, melynek várhatóan meg is lesz az eredménye.
...or Russian?
http://news.caspianworld.com/ru/go/1915085189/-1945734000/
(Text cannot be displayed -- see link)
I know they are all essentially the same article. But it's intriguing how far and wide the story had spread...
imbedded v/s bundled, redux...
Internet Explorere is imbedded in Windows.
Some may choose to have Mozilla (Netscape) bundled.
my impressions, anyway...
non-Wave OT
#msg-1464362
This is a riot
The banner says "Ogni homo me guarda come fosse una testa de cazi" (Every man looks at me as if I were a dickhead).
English. A wonderful language.
bundle, imbed, whatever, it's being promoted ACTIVELY by Intel. What more does one want...
bundled software is included on a CD (or even possibly pre-loaded on the hard drive )
imbedded is firmware, imbedded in the chip(s)
Thanks. I was using the IE settings...
Susie, if you don't mind me asking, how do *you* turn the imbedded sounds off?
TIA
mig, you need the [chart ] tags before and after
can anyone think of a reason why you are asking if anyone can think of a reason why Michael Sprague would be named president of WaveXpress?
hot diggity snot.
looks great.
mig, piece of cake.
find the url of the pic
(like http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/images/09/18/top.15.isabel.thurs.ap.jpg)
type [ chart]i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/images/09/18/top.15.isabel.thurs.ap.jpg[ /chart]
(notice that the http part is not included.)
take the space out of the [ chart] ... [ /chart] tags and
VOILA!
kevin, thanks for the report.
what's the 865GRH? I can't find it. (GV, GM, GL, but no GRH)
Thanks
dj, hope noone listens to you, at least in this case. This technical thread is valuable to many of us, and the price is in no way related to the topics on this board.
thanks for the reply vc
(nothing wrong with self promotion, as far as I'm concerned...)