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Hey thanks for the invite. Getting ready for bed but i have been doing my dd on this stock for the last week. Will take a position tomorrow. I do believe they will be a five or six bagger around may if not sooner. Depends on news. Good night ttyl
Hello everyone, i think we start climbing upward tomorrow, remember i think the 21st will be some news we like and we go above 4 bucks. I also think serious talks begin on the 21st through 26th then jj rules on 822 on the 27th. Good luck all
Oh i forgot on the 21st he sets a date for final ruling starting the talks !!!!! We are almost there lets make some cash
Oh no its not that easy lol
Yea i see what u mean but im holding long i bought more on thursday, holding for 2 yrs at least, believe we have something special de eloping here. I was just commenting on how the trial seems crooked and i do believe big money rules things. Just hope the judge proves he is legit cause if he is he will give at least the 500 million anything less makes me think he was on the take.
I hate to say it but i do think this judge, is way too familiar with goog, if u know what i mean. Waited till after closing arguments from vrng to rule on laches. Well what i think is he did it on purpose why else would he not let vrng put on witness, also don't forget the judge brief the jury to only consider the one yr. past damages you don't think that was to sway the jury into thinking that maybe vrng didnt deserve anything. This is really smelling bad. Just something to think about, maybe we as shareholders should call the courts and voice our displeasure in this decision. If enough of us point out we know of the injustice he will have to fix it. If we dont do anything he will never be held accountable and will not change it cause i believe he is paid for been saying it for awhile and everone thought i was crazy. Google is the next goldman sachs buying the gov also .
Who is sierra?
I dont think u understood, i said he rules on all motions except rr, he sets a date he will rule on rr, which will be a few days 3-5 and that is the negotiation window then he rules if no settlement. I agree mo settlement if he gives final ruling.
I disagree. I see a judgement on everything but the rr rate by the 21st of feb. then the judge will set date of around the 26-28th for final ruling. That give them time to talk and maybe settle. I didn't want settlement ever, but now with this judge. I would like to see one. The settlement talks are just waiting for the judge to rule on all motions except rr. Even goog said that in their motions. They wanted judgement so they could start talks. Once judge rules on rr we will not see a settlement and i have to buy dolphinsmike a Jersey. So i have a short window maybe three days or so for settlement, cause i think we see final this month.
Concur great post
Sure thing you got it
Last i heard was 650 million was offered and vrng rejected, they had a conference call but it had nothing to do with a settlement. But i do think the start talks again on the 21st after jj rules on motions. He will then set date for final ruling i believe it will be before the 28th. So limited window for goog. Think the offer will be 700 million plus cost, with 100 million for past damages. Total around 800-820 million i believe this is close. Might be more.
I keep hearing people talk about the legal cost for the suits, it doesnt cost millions to file the cases, we do have the attorneys on staff, should be low legal bills. There was exception in va because our attorneys did not try the case we hired them but cheap. We will recover cost involved though. That im real sure about.
I agree good points
I concur i still think jj does something on the 21st but i believe he gives time for settlement and final ruling by 28th. I believe google settles for 5 percent if not judge give 5.5 percent maybe more since 897.
Yea now i got it thanks
considered the case, and decided to change its laches ruling. After the Court announced its
decision, I noted that I had not received a copy of the case (Trial Tr. at 2018:3-6) nor was I aware
Read more: http://vringo.freeforums.net/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1319#ixzz2L4JQZeg7
There it is learn to read before you accuse people of distortion you have a problem with me. For giving my opinion sometimes and telling people what i know or think. People are really that stupid you worry about protecting yourself not the others on the board let them make their own decision. Cuz you see your misleading people with your comments and people think u are a genius and will buy on that just the same as they will on rumor. So you sir are no different then me huh !
Man, you distorted the facts brother not me i did not say he was bribed i said it makes a case for what i was thinking earlier. Also the document says specifically the court changed its decision on laches, i know there wasn't a ruling at least we never heard of one from the reports we were getting. You are crazy if you think courts receive a document during a recess and just rules on it without a side bar or any notice to the other side. This smells bad and is bad i distorted nothing quoted from the document and then gave my though on why i said before the judge seemed like he was bribed a long time ago. If you think google hasn't tried to get to the judge some how you really don't understand big money. It might not have happened but the chances are very high. Look how google is traveling with senate and congress to korea, china and how the are campaigning with Obama and then the laws are being changed about patents and trolling hmmmm you are wrong for the way you addressed me and you don't need to reply to me again just ignore what i say cause obviously you have some problem with me. And your the problem. Twisting what i said. I quoted the doc go read or do t talk to people without arming your self with knowledge.
Wow, 897 that is serious shows the judge made a huge mistake, he took the docs from the odetics case and it was after i/p close and during a recess. Then he changed his ruling on laches. Wow i said before i thought the judge was bought off , now it feeds my suspicion more, he could talk to google during recess and except bribes just as easy. He better make this right. Or he will be had lol. For real though this is fishy stuff, and shows how much google cheats. I think settlement even more now. Or jj will have to go big to prove he is straight.
Ok i see what your saying, that makes more sense you explained it better. What your saying they filed and was given time to update before decision? That makes sense and is a waste but its clear now thank u
I see what i was not understanding now you just didn't explain it the way my dumbarse needed.
I take offense to the if an interested party would read, listen i read everything i may not have a great memory, but what was the jmol 833 filing on dec 18th. It is the same that was filed today with a few tweaks of dates. Etc, so maybe you should have read. Dont tell me they arent the same cause they are what im saying is we are just repeating the same motions and responses, you are dreaming if you dont see that
So your telling me jmol wasnt filed before? I saw it in dec or jan. i did read jj brief and yes i did know today was reply briefs but the already responded to the jmol, and the lawyer fees etc etc these were filed before im not getting it i guess not arguing with u i dont have pacer but they were already filed and responded to , im sure of it or i magically read them a month ago. I must be living a dream
Well i dont understand todays deadline. I mean this docs have already been filed and never ruled on. So why are we refiling them, and yes they have been replied to from vrng before, what the hell gives. This is the kangaroo court !!! Someone please explain why the court wasted our time for the refiling of the same motions already filed and responded to. I guess vrng files the same as before also dumb a@@ courts.
Man i was wrong thought we get a bump based on docs released guess they hit tom
yea i see that now we are talking about two different things, you software and me hardware, gotta have the hardware cause software could be worked around. so i was wrong in what i said in my reply to you. i dont think they would sue them, because of the board members etc, i was using them as example. and to dolphinsmike, i never thought you said anything wrong to me ever, i like your thought and challenges, afterall you gonna owe me a shirt or maybe redskins tickets against the dolphins lol. gotta get back to work looks like it is heavy accumulation, read the form 4s and the prices, and it still being accum today this is about to explode, around 1pm today it will move, i think we close low 3.40's.
Yes you are correct, but nokia, vrng owns the towers and the relay, switcing network that all 4g and lte uses, vrng cannot sue telcoms, but they could sue all others, ie vhc. i dont think they will i think vhc will license the use of the repeating stations. if and when vringo decide how to go forward on the patents. their hands are tied as per the nokia agreement so they cannot sue, apple, and other telcom companies. i could be wrong but that is what i see in the patents they hold.
Who really owns the 4g patents hmmm nokia and vringo, so vhc might just be next. We have not even broke the surface yet. I understand the vhc comparison, i was making a point about mkt valuation. Vringo will get one after the results. It will take a couple of weeks. People will value the nok patents and other suits will be considered. That is future money is it not. They dont care about how many yrs. they will lower based on earnings. Course im a rookie. And think u make valid points but i think im right. We will see. I had three post because i had ihub delete the copies. So this is the last good night and good luck we close around 3.41-45 tom
Also dont forget about the other patents and news soon of what lang is working on. There is more than just google, here the graig-hallum thing could be dilution or some thpe of partnership for the lang project we will see, it is all speculation. But the market will factor something that i am sure of.
Yes i said that, what people cant reevaluate. I guess you never did huh well this is my last post. I do think in 18-24 months we see 60. But not in march like i said awhile back.
Ok got you but answer this did the mkt value vhc after one win of only 200 million, believe so, these high binary stocks are different. The speculation is a factor for sure. It will trade at about 2-3 time settlement in a few weeks after settlement after traders leave. Can do 5 but not on first win. Of course im guessing
Well i hit aamrq today i bought it 7 days ago sold at 2.43 and i pit that money in today so i will sell that holding which was 5000 shares, i have 12250 that i will hold for 24 months. Im not good at flippin i hold long but getting better at some trading work all day so cant watch the mkt. i will look to reenter aroung 9-9.25 it may not go that low but i think it will. I believ the difference here unlike kerx is we have money confirmed and market will value us as such. I sold kerx at 8.40 left some on the table but i was only looking for quick money. I knew and told my friends who follow me to sell at 8-8.50 and wait a week and buy back 6.50 to 7.00 if they was gonna hold. They did but im out right now will buy back before fda. Like i said this is money that will pull back but will trade higher based on mkt value and nte, microsoft and i expect more news to hit in march of another suit. That one will be on the telco side though. I do think they will dilute i think that is why the meeting with the investment banker a few days ago, graig-hallum they are getting ready for 25-30 million dilution. Just a guess there though.
I believe a settlement of 700 million will be agreed. And it will go to 12 believe me i know uou think im crazy but i made to s of money in biotech stocks and this stock will behave just like they do. I hit kerx, dndn, hgsi, itmn time 2, vnda, arna, ctic before it went bad, aezs, before it went bad, the i lost a few of course, but when a binary event happens hou will see how fast this will go, this also has alot of shorts. But the mms will let the shorts out like they always do, that is why the stock always goes down first then up unless after hrs. Then the pull back for a day or two after a two day run then mms let it go cause shorts covered, do you really think there is su h a thing called a bear raid, nope it is mms playing dirty to let the shorts( goldman sach) and others out. No way a bear raid can do that it doesnt do it when a stock hits good news, and everyone is buying it in open market. So explain how a bear raid does it . It dont crooked mms is all. Now you really think im crazy huh but go watch jim cramers you tube about the crooked shorts and mms and media connection. We will have and do have crooked media now dr, modernist... Etc trying to keep this down, look at the connection to google, and the street. The street is actually goldman sachs.
Why does it post three times? Uses up my post im allowed 15 only it sucks. Any how i will keep everything to myself, from now on, you guy need to dd jj always awards higher royalities as punishment for not settling. Facts are there, look into it. Also stop at the court house there is a wealth of info there to be had all u do is talk to people there. Clerks and lawyers and judges yes they talk to people wow what a concept. I will shut up now cause people hate real ideas for some reason i guess it is the traders well the blank with you all im and investor not a trader, traders ruin stocks thats why we cant hold gains
Good one thats true, but just wait he will give a couple of days to settle before judgement. Call the court you will see it is standard. After a few days he will drop hammer he will leave the request for 7 percent from vrng open and the final judgement till the date he assignes you wait and see
Yes my thought of what will happen i have alot to gain i will make a ton. Im not asking anybody to buy and im not pumping the stock, im using real dd and ideas i have some peoples thoughts in there as well.
Whatcha thinking, by the way we all meeting in vegas ?
Ok here is what will happen, tomorrow we get the rest of the filings, then tuesday we get the final one on what each team wants ruled on, by thursday or friday next week jj rules on all but 822, then he sets date for final ruling, allowing 3-7 days for final negotions, and then on or around the 28th, jj unleases if no settlement reached.
He rules for 5.5 percent rr and that the damages ,will stand as jury found. I say price hits 12 and pulls back to 9. Then three days later institutions buy big ,and we settle 13-15 dollars. Thats what i think. What i been told is 21st is ruling . And settlement will be reached for 5 percent rr and damages stays same. That will be one day before jj rules. He will set timeline on the 21st . We shall see dont buy on my info do your own dd
I change my thinking i think we will see a settlement and before the end of the month !!! The 21st prediction i dont know about it anymore new developments make me think settlement.
Yes the price will increase i believe that we are over four bucks on the 21 st when news hits
Yea i agree im sticking with 21st for settlement or judgement on the royalities.