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Good to another input there Quinn, for sure get back and give your view of things. Look forward to it.
For sure. Some of the short sales and distressed properties from the banks are just way to much hassle and are amongst the worst to deal with. Walked away from a few. One even sold 6 months later for little less than what I offered.
Sorry, my mistake. I'll try it no matter what part of the world or culture. Maybe BEHL will sell their equipment to somebody to make it and distribute it in my parts.
You know gopher, sometimes I wonder about you also, and my vote is not all there, not that you care or should. If some of my thoughts or caution are wrong I apologize in advance. But some of the stuff you say is right on, but don't take offense if I'm critical with other things. No one should be hanging there life on this stock or any stock or expecting big time gains to save there hide. This is very speculative and risky and is a penny pinky. But there is always the odds of this succeeding and the algae market and usage will be the future, that I have no doubt.
Some people do get enjoyment with the board such as myself being retired, I do the computer and many stocks, and I have fun. This is about the only stock I post on, but to each there own how one gets their enjoyment. I'm glad my wife is retired from the banking, lot of bullcjp there, but my daughter is doing pretty good since she's in the investment side of the business and believe me, the big money there is doing real good, so I'm glad for her. I got out of most of my properties before the big bang, saw it coming a mile away, but I'm getting back in now, I look at the RE market as great market doing real well, but my interpretation is quite different from what you were talking about which is the truth and my investments are for longer term than any stock.
BG does have the goods to help direct this company and I do believe we may be seeing that in the near future and I believe it might just fit fine if it all doesn't "blow up" as you stated.
Like you said, northern cal has some fine spaces and I do go there and have kept my property in some of those places. The boat thing I gave to my son, it was easier to just rent one when I want one where I want one. Satellite and a quad core large screen laptop goes with me.
I'm pretty solid from where I come from and don't consider myself "all over the board". I may be an arse, but at least you'll get the reality from me and I won't say one thing and mean another. And yes I can be critical and analytical, and that sets people off sometimes, but I don't like bashers and bulst, and I will have fun playing the game.
I agree. Along with the large multiple of published papers, inventions, successes, and the respect that he has amongst the business community. Of course no opinion or facts of what the qualifications should be or what qualifications any CEO should have that BG doesn't have in order for to be BEHLs CEO. So I'm stumped. LOL
You forgot, that poster said BG was there in name only and DF was still running everything like the poster had first hand knowledge and facts. Also the posters professional opinion was that BG had no qualifications and didn't have the capabilities, experience, or background to be a CEO and wasn't doing anything for BEHL. At least thats what I took from the posters conversation on the subject. One can go back and look at the posts that were made by this poster regarding it for their own opinion of what was said.
Of course things like foreclosed properties addresses and who has the mortgage are easy, but I wouldn't waste my time trying to call the bank to confirm how much cash a prospective buyer or leaser has or what kind of deals they are making. My wife has over 20 years in the banking and mortgage business, my daughter has now has about 15 years working for one of the biggest bank in the nation. That kind of information would not be in the best interest of any bank to give out to to say the least. But as the play book states, the majority of people will not call anyway, and should not waste their time in this case.
So is listing a little fact and a lot of baloney for doubt per handbook.
But I will say one thing, I hope DF or BG will be trying to get the most for the least in this real estate market if any situation arises for BEHL and I would suspect they would. Anything else would be bad business. There is limited resources and any developing company has to do whatever it takes. I sure do it, but maybe I should be ashamed of myself too.
One can get a scanner real cheap that hooks to a computer to put on the board. Lets get some real good stuff posted instead of just words or hearsay, come on, lets work for it.
Have you ever had any? I'm going to have to try it. Just googled it and I guess there is a few makers of "green" beer. Even Tsingtao, the japanese beer has one out. Going to have to figure out where to get it, haven't seen it at the local groc store, but that doesn't mean its not there.
Good article. Shows that there is big money in algae. This is what cities do to bring in business, change zoning laws specific to big business and jobs. Recognition to the validity of it anyways. BEHL may or may not get there, but it is a trend IMO, and it is another area that the reselling of BEHL product may be in. Opening of more market. Thanks seatrade.
Real DD, that would be too much work. BEHL bashing is a lazy persons job, and making sense isn't part of it. There are some who put out some effort, but it always comes to the same words at the end, no matter how good they are.
Like I've said, he/she is only after the response and that is about it and to enlist doubt to ones who haven't read the playbook. I really think its time to write a totally new one, I'm getting bored.
Seems like we're getting all one can expect from basher posters. Bunch of unverifiable words and a bunch of crock IMO. Nothing else, sorry doesn't fly other than to confirm no real point to respond which is all really what bashers want. No real debate or truth. Like I said, same old, same old, never changes.
You keep talking about your DD, but never share it. There are many watering and reclamation systems that BEHL could use along with those same systems getting more advanced and purpose specific and it would be obvious to most that BEHL would have already something in mind and ready for use. There are also thousands of strains of algae and some do survive in higher heat that you stated.
But don't be stingy SF, share some of that DD you keep talking about that you do instead of asking us for it all. It isn't that you've asked anything difficult, but when one does nothing but negative asking with no sharing of facts, links, etc, and only same old, same old basher responses, it becomes a question of validity and intent.
Also, I believe everyone is here to make money, thats a given, so statements to that effect have no input. Were all jammed full of that input here, happy that anyone can make some money, but what does it have to do with anything but the obvious?
Your right there mcclaneshannon. Thanks for your apology, I accept.
You definitely have a point there beastieboy. Maybe other DD could be done by people that have questions on processes or other things and come back to share that information found and post some links. A lot of that has been done here and I've appreciated it, just may be a continued option.
Of course if one can flip, flip, flip, power to them, who cares. Although I would suspect it isn't quite like some would like to portray. But if you would like to debate there mcclaneshannon as you call it, this is not the yazoo board and we here at the BEHL board I'm sure would like more of intelligent remarks than just flip, pos, copper town, and such that would be real input. Nothing wrong with debate, but it does take intelligent conversation, actual facts, and answers with actual fact to your responses and real DD that are dealing with the actual "on topic" subject that you like to refer to and and of course would be much better received here to any BEHL subject. Just bashing BEHL has no worth, not much anyway.
Thats a good point since she is the expert on these things. Not sure if one can forward emails to her though and it might not be part of her job description to answer, but that is the best place for the answer.
Well cleaning reasons might sound ridiculous to you, but hopefully it doesn't to BEHL. You let anything outside just sit and quickly it becomes looking like you know what. Why do you think they have multiple car washing personnel washing the new cars, because the cars need it to run? No, to sell them! Along with that it's good to keep things clean just for professional purposes or to keep track of critical viewing for many issues. Makes sense to me.
Those are actually good questions. There are automated systems for large acreages for spreading pressurized water and reclamation of that water, but not sure of the system that BEHL plans to use, but I'm sure they have something in mind since they are selling the plan. Even though there is the limit of temp that algae will produce, there are several species that grow in desert conditions, including a species of Mohave cyanobacteria which grows between 90-100 degrees. Honestly, I don't know it all, I just look this stuff up.
But again great questions for the company since they are collecting deposits and contracts with this process somewhat decided and will be putting them in place.
Ok gummy, I'll try to do that for you if I get a chance. Maybe you disagree with a cleaning process that I described, come out and say it if thats it. I have quite often seen someone out with a hose washing off surfaces and the hose left out as someone has just done it and that is what referring to as "cleaning". I'm sure that there would obviously be substances that collect on the system and some maintenance would be required and the easiest way I could perceive to do that would simply be a hose with water and of course would leave "puddles". Probably it would be required for both the tubes and white reflective surface and maybe even cooling and the fact it is good just to keep things clean in a general sense. More professional looking and more sanitary with all of the eyes on this particular system. Maybe I'm wrong, so shoot me.
Again, that would a question for the company since you seem to be overly concerned about it. If you would contact them, they would probably give you a better description or frequency than I could of any "washing" process.
I don't watch the bio-cam as much as others or a every minute basis nor took any times down, so I can't tell you the exact frequency that I've seen it, just that I have and it made sense to me. You can call the puddles from anything you like.
It may be a full time position on bigger sights, not sure, would be a good thing for the prospective job market that will be happening in general from the algae industry.
Yeh and a lot of people are seeing where your coming from also. March, then Feb, yea right. Anybody can take a picture over a fence. Thanks for that gopher.
I would say most of it could be from washing it that they do on a regular basis.
They do have a mission statement and have been giving some figures and plans out in published releases. All of which is a guide for investors. I also think that there will be updates of exact figures of production as they become available in the near future. I would have to disagree with you that "most" companies in the .008-.014 range that have the specifics that is being talked about. I would say most don't, just generalities as BEHL has. I'm sure there are exceptions that can be found, but from what I've seen it's not the general rule.
This is also on their webpage:
"For investment opportunities with BioCentric Energy, please briefly describe the nature of your interest and business.
BioCentric Energy will carefully review all investment inquiries and contact you if your investment opportunity is in line with the Company's business model."
Also this:
"BioCentric Energy carefully selects and qualifies each client. If you have interest in BioCentric Energy's product and services, please fill out and submit the form below.
Step 1. Client is qualified and initial contracts signed.
Step 2. The location/Land is qualified, water, soil, temperature, carbon source.
Step 3. Biological information is obtained and algae strains are identified for end application.
Step 4. Site assessments to include geotechnical, civil engineering, grading, permits."
Of course not too many companies give much attention to each individual $10K investor. In fact BEHL has been pretty good with that and has been a refreshing difference. Maybe anyone with specific questions about their "plan" or figures, etc I'm sure could contact BEHL with those questions or interests and get maybe what one was looking for.
I agree, it would be nice to have everything put together for us simply stated and nicely arranged (ahh the perfect world), but I would also agree with Steve earlier when he stated that it would just be used for every basher to dissect only the negatives and take out of context statements in it.
But I would have to reiterate that a plan has been being given in different parts and could be put together somewhat. I guess thats what DD is. Maybe not every question or figure, that wouldn't be in any published one either, but that might be where the contact with the company comes in. Publishing a constant changing plan (at least I would hope they are open to constant changes) may not be in the best interest of the shareholders or the company.
I agree. I believe that is one of there goals and part of BEHL's "plan". IMO it will happen and I'll be looking forward to the success of that.
Yes, no particular problem. The whole system is pretty level and flat so any water caused by condensation, regular washing down with water, small amounts of precipitation, etc will show up and look like a "big" puddle. It could only be 1/2" deep for all we know, but I would doubt that it has much volume due to the level flatness of the whole system.
I believe a lot of what people are wanting in numbers will be in the financial statements and that is where they are. Regular updates of every day income or expense numbers are not normally given on a day to day basis or even month to month. That is what the financial statements and filings are for. One might have to be their accountant for some of the sort of things some are asking for.
BEHL has been giving out a plan and is giving us updates of progress to that plan. And I'm pretty sure they will file their next statements so for a lot of this investors will just have to wait for them. Along with any future updates or PRs. Just the way it is I guess.
Like I said, that one didn't say anything about March or being published, so it sort of confused me. Are you saying that you personally asked Dennis or Brian about a business plan and neither Dennis or Brian knew what you didn't mean about any business plan of BEHLs? Or was it that they didn't know about the "published one for March"? I could understand maybe office personnel not knowing what you might be asking, not sure. Could you clarify?
I was just trying to figure out what exactly gopher was talking about, wasn't sure. Guess I'll wait to gophers response to expand on his statement or question.
That doesn't say anything about it being published in March or even published publically at all, only that they were going to have a revised one.
They also talked about a business plan after that several times in how they were implementing it and what they have done or doing that was part of it in subsequent PRs. And BEHL has been doing some business plan that for sure. The specific words or numbers is I'm guessing that people want. BEHL has stated its vision, talked about the market, said what they were going to do and have been doing them, and has stated certain figures, amongst other things that fit into the description of a business plan, all of which many times. And a plan looks to be continued in the future. Maybe the figures that do come out might be more important to match up with future profitably and if that profitability was matching to each of our own plans of what we need to see in the stock for our own decision to each own it.
Any business plan takes years and like I said get revised many times and it is only projections. Very common for business plans not to be right on the money, but less or succeed its vision or projections. Some of BEHLs plans are being stated and being done and we can watch that for continued success for sure.
Would be nice to compare though as each year progresses from this point and have it in all one place and each of its subsequent revisions.
To which exactly were you referring to when you are stating "...the published business plan that was to be out in March." I'm guessing that you are referring to a specific PR or statement. I didn't want to go read every PR to go find it.
I know that BEHL has talked about its revision which I'm sure will always be happening, lots of information that would be part of it pieced together from all the PRs which I guess one could say is published, and I believe they talked about that any questions could be answered at the shareholders meetings on the subject of it. Wasn't quite sure what exactly you were talking about, I'm sure it has been updated from any original one.
There are different forms of business plans I guess, but generally it describes what the companies visualization is, their status, needs, projected results and/or directives, and what the market is that they are focusing on.
Not a bad thought in theory in what your saying, although one might have to give thought to the constant updating of figures, financing, contracts, etc. Nature of a developing type company and the algae industry dynamics and the fact what BEHL is doing is in a whole new territory and science. But good for discussion what exactly BEHLs is, thats for sure. Lot of it is just goals which has been discussed which is a start anyway.
It would be just a plan though, plans get changed and improved upon and every letter can't be expected to be 100% written in stone.
DOW down 958 no 962 no 980 BEHL doing real well here. I buying big time. Who oooo.
Again, he didn't.
Please look into the difference between "issuing" and "selling". It may answer your question and refute your statement, but you might not really be looking for the answer.
And while your at it here is a link to one of your last statements to look into about the "only" way to produce algae oil is chemically which was also totally false. There are more links if you want to really study the issue.
http://www.lanl.gov/news/releases/los_alamos_technology_strikes_a_chord_with_algal_biofuels_nr090209.html
And could be income and would have to be stated as such.
These VAR contracts can vary for sure and is usually left up to the attorneys to draft them up with the parties involved. There may be a "cooling off" period or not. Full refundable, partial refundable, or no refundable, depends on the contract. Commissioned or paid by the reseller. What contract BEHL has in specific, I definitely don't know. It might even be client specific and vary amongst different industries. I would guess % refund of deposit and based on some short period of time. But thats just a guess.
But no matter what the contracts (plural) are, the odds of some sort of income are great if not already happened and the fact of interest and future business is there.
Not testy, I didn't say I knew, I only said it could be either way and that the only one who said that they knew was you. So back at you.
Would you please share what DD you did that told you that this was not income or "refundable". Also for anyone "trading" BEHL for a measly 10% has to remember taxes and fees and the hassle of doing the paperwork or the cost of doing it even if they do M2M and filed the form 3115 as I have. It becomes quite the diminished "profit" from just 10%. But GL to you.
Just FYI - deposits can go either way. Non refundable and definitely put into the income quotation of financial statement. Which is this one? I'm only asking since you seem to have an inside information database.
I as many others would respectively disagree with that. Everyone has and should have the opportunity or right to talk directly with any company including BEHL. IMO it is a good thing for BEHL to be open with its shareholders if they so choose to talk directly. There are way more complaints that there isn't that communication than there is the communication. It is one of the official channels to do so.
Nobody has to listen, read, or believe what anyone posts about BEHL on this board. Freedom of choice. Including whether or not to believe in any "official" PR or post things that one has had in a personal conversation with the management of BEHL about BEHL.