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I thought I heard Ayre's name before ... I'm having trouble believing any of you people seriously are putting your hopes on this guy ... Just one of countless hits from Google on your 'Billionair' savior....
Please, anyone with a shred of decency read this link ..-->
http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2006/0327/112.html ...
He was in Forbes billionair issue because of questionable dealings.... Bkmp shareholders are sinking to undesirable lows in their hopes and dreams....
Whomever replies back that I'm bashing, will just prove how delusional and out of touch with reality one really is.
I want TFN to make it on it's own, not with that corrupt baggage
to swallow.
sheesh
S5
One more thing... In all of sandies adventures, not once did any of his holdings ever submit a "Audited financial statement"
that I could find so far..... that's not a good sign for any company, let alone a sub penny. People shouldn't just ignore some of these facts when researching companies... not too cost effective I'd say.
(edit,since running low on post count) I jumped into bkmp (against my normal style of researching before plunking down cash) because I read about Tfn, it's up and coming, a real product you can experience... out of Canada.. I love Canadians and Cananda--- what's not to like..??? AND dividends were forthcoming .. I didn't do my homework ... so the saga continues with us on board, spitting up over the port side.... so here's to hoping we don't submerge ..... glta
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Cosmo... I don't know what kind of glass lens you've been looking through... Sandy did not disclose much of anything of value concerning 170 trillion prf'd 'gift'... it's not a gift unless you can spend it, save it or hold it in your hands... can YOU do anything with your GIFT?... The preferred are free trading because you can't even give them away, so they're free.
See. NOTHING sandy said about the gift means crap until we can actually DO something with them... It's been months and we still don't have a real trade cusip. Don't call this a bash, because it's fact!!!
Wishing and hoping something will happen and the ceo not saying a thing doesn't pay the bills.
The confidentiality line doesn't float either, quit hiding behind it. I want bkmp as far away from Tfn as
possible… somehow. SPEC:: Sandy will sell off some more, then move on to another venture to suck dry. I doubt greatly that S.W. will let us go along for the ride if Tfn goes public… he hasn't before.
Cosmo, unless you're Sandy, making statements like you can read his mind should be restrained.
have fun
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I posted this late last night, re-posting for more daylight eyeballs for input if any.
Okay, been with cnes some time now. keeping the monthlies as well. But this item I'm going to share with you all is at once perplexing and pissing me off.... I'm a camera operator/tech for the city of southfield, michigan and we do the monthly city council meetings with a live tv production broadcast. On my agenda copy, we use to follow the meeting for production, (this is public record, so I don't worry about posting this) under 'consent agenda' section is this item ... "Ca--a. approval to purchase meter reading devices for the water and sewer department. Action Requested: Authorize the purchase of 1,122 radio reading devices, maintenance and repair parts and software, from Hughes Supply, Inc of cleveland, ohio as sole vendor without competitive bidding, for a total amount not to exceed $60,490.00. .....
Isn't this what cnes is trying to sell??? Why are other companies already getting these contracts and cnes isn't? And... this was no bid... which isn't supposed to be done in a city anyways.... I'm worried because cnes has been schlepping around with their devices for over 2 years.... what's with that?
AAaand, what's with cnes discussing purchasing online entertainment venues.? They have money to do that, but not successfully market meter reading machines... I wish I hadn't seen that agenda, I was content in my ignorant bliss.
POO
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Cnes IS developing radio transmission reading devices. My point is, it's not cnes product that Hughes is selling, who's is it? Cnes did state about other venues including online game/movie fulfillment company. What isn't discussed enough is the tendency of large corporations and municipalities to sit on decisions to upgrade to newer systems and technologies.
We know that radio reading is more efficient and cost saving.
It's convincing companies and cities it would help their bottom lines. Budgetary limitations have to be heeded.
I don't think that this part of business model is manipulatible by cnes, so it's taking time.
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Have to go get some sleep, I don't want to be any more of a zombie at work than I already am... I might seriously hurt myself, like spill my coffee on my unmentionables or something.....................
more stuff tomorrow............
g'night
S5
UM, okaaaay.... about the drugs,,, or bkmp-r/s???
S5
Okay, been with cnes some time now. keeping the monthlies as well. But this item I'm going to share with you all is at once perplexing and pissing me off.... I'm a camera operator/tech for the city of southfield, michigan and we do the monthly city council meetings with a live tv production broadcast. On my agenda copy, we use to follow the meeting for production, (this is public record, so I don't worry about posting this) under 'consent agenda' section is this item ... "Ca--a. approval to purchase meter reading devices for the water and sewer department. Action Requested: Authorize the purchase of 1,122 radio reading devices, maintenance and repair parts and software, from Hughes Supply, Inc of cleveland, ohio as sole vendor without competitive bidding, for a total amount not to exceed $60,490.00. .....
Isn't this what cnes is trying to sell??? Why are other companies already getting these contracts and cnes isn't? And... this was no bid... which isn't supposed to be done in a city anyways.... I'm worried because cnes has been schlepping around with their devices for over 2 years.... what's with that?
AAaand, what's with cnes discussing purchasing online entertainment venues.? They have money to do that, but not successfully market meter reading machines... I wish I hadn't seen that agenda, I was content in my ignorant bliss.
POO
I'm going to repeat this post in the morning, so more people will read it.
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And now, after that word from our sponsor, we return to the bkmp/tfn ihub road show .... yeeehaaaaaa
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s409... you off your meds man... your sig just went up 89 points..................................
at least something went up around here....
SPEC and SPEC:::
I say something happens regarding stock counts and ownerships of stocks before thanksgiving usa. Just a hunch based on past shareholding destructions.......... not a direct bash of bkmp, just experience first hand.
I don't want this, but we sure as hell can't do anythnig to stop it.
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SPEC:: I've seen a parallel with webprods to another poster on another thread/stock that worked people up and made them hold on and buy more as well ... then disappeared just before a r/s decimated everyone. You see, that poster was able to unload boatloads of stock at the last minute ... loading up before this other stock split wouldn't have done any good as the company changed names and made the old stock worthless and didn't roll old shareholders into the new company. so, his/her plan was to dump out completely because the stock was to be worthless after. The touting and weird stories are eerily similar. That poster had inside info somehow.
I don't care if web comes back to remark here, that crap about deletion was a lame excuse for someone leading on so much to quit after 1 deletion or negative volley his/her way. Just looks slimy to me. Sorry.
glta S5
What's UP DOC ........... sorry , couldn't resist...........
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It's most likely too late about this site, but if you do a translate in google, you'll see that this site is a ad site making money off your click throughs, plain and simple.
You have been spammed. It does nothing for gnf, and is only a tout site like any other pr paid site. Do the trans and read the disclaimer.
You'll also see a ton more stocks listed with the same link when you do the search........ sorry to burst the bubble for some....
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Stock409, you old basher you... I'm sorry you got lumped in with me, the master basher...hey-nice ring to that!
Smart may be a relative phrase, I think human intelligence is more telling. The ability to know that a large heavy object is traveling perpendicular to you and being able to deduce stepping out at the wrong time means SPLAT! The intelligence to know when to be kind to another human being and how to paint a wall economically and without undue work. Common street smarts isn't always taught in college. I can have a masters in business law, but I can't figure out how to use the damn copy machine at the office.... Myself, I can follow a 130 mile an hour sports car with a video camera, never losing the frame and zoom in ever so slowly-timing the closeup just right when that tear starts to stream down the mothers face.... couldn't get that in college. I think a college degree in anything is a great feat, worthy of bragging to all. But how one lives their life, treats other people and animals with true compassion shows real intelligence.
But this is a stock board... hopefully we'll all look smart for putting money in bkmp... some time............
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Actually, I was having fun with the hockey stuff..... I thought it was funny. What's happening with bkmp pps isn't funny and that's why everyones so uptight. Sheesh, just trying to lighten things up.. (well, not the bkmp info, can't help that).
Keny... c'mon, skate by my net.... I dare ya.........
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I know... I'm just going to slam the first guy that skates by me in front of my net... I don't care if he's my own guy........gaaaaaaaaaa
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oh man, I gotta chill out... anybody got any Koolaid...
bkmp flavor...???
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stower.."So you would rather have billions of worthless shares than have a divi that can at least be cashed in. I'LL TAKE THEORY 4 PLEASE. REVERSE SPLIT THE DIVI."
Since there's no guarantee we'll have anything to cash in, YES, I too would love SOMETHING to cash in. But our div's are WHAT? WHAT THE HECK ARE THEY, WHERE ARE THEY.... WHO HAS THEM SO WE CAN DO ANY...thing...oops, I'm shouting aren't I?
The DIV"S don't really exist in any bankable form do they?
NOOOOOOOOOO,,,... so we SPECULATE till we turn blue... are we having fun yet...??? NOT ME!!! That's what I meant about questionable practices, why give out 170 trillion divs and then NOT say anything about what the heck they are for real...... how can you not get a negative feeling over that..??
thanks Key, this from a person who
just joined Ihub -->Alias Born On: Thursday, June 29, 2006
and started bkmp 11-13-06
so I'll take you for the 20 something inexperienced know it all that you are,, Keep your comments to yourself please... My comments were general, and I Noted SPEC:: AND admitted being negative.... (edit, okay that's subjective-->)but constructive...(informative? ... edgy even? ) don't judge the poster, read what people type and process the data as you need.
thanks for your input...
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buy out... maybe a billion??? are you nuts. Bkmp is still in the hole from hd whatever holding days..... The prf'ds would very much be in the deal.. some way. What, a preferred share isn't part of a company? A non voting preferred share does NOT come first in payouts .. a special warrant share, and then I think there is a corporate executive issued preferred, then our prf'ds, then types of common shares ... If you look at sandys past...(not Mike), sandy leaves nothing to past common shareholders.
SPEC:: to me the game plan is all about sandy. Sandy will bail out with as much cash as possible and do it all over again in a different market. Mike will be left to manage whats left of tfn.
If TFN survives, it won't be for sandy. His past record speaks volumes, and if vol 1,2 and 3 don't wake you up, you will be rudely awakened with up coming vol 4 of sandy saga..
Vol 4 ... reverse split of prfd and common... spin off of tfn to whomever is interested for less than anyone wants to believe.
And us common shareholders... take a hike. Negative? You bet. Why? Because I've been there done that, way too many times with the pennies that I want to admit... but r/s aren't my fault...it's just a timing issue. Here's a hint: look for the next business day before a holiday for a last minute announcement of pending r/s. With the split date the first AM of the day back following a holiday... Hmmmm, thanksgivings coming up here in the states this week....interesting.
Well, I'm off to my hockey league.... will be back tonight for further entertainment on the TFN FORUM CHANNEL!! Yaaaaayy
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If there was to be a buyout of TFN, I would think that the trillions of pfrd's would be taken care of first... R/s maybe.
Who would buy such baggage.....
Ranzy,,, you drinking... HE HAD GUYS NEXT TO HIM... BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT TICKETS TOO, or at least free seats.....
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AD, your twisting words around again to suit your point of view....
(my comments)
Posted by: AmbitiousDrive
In reply to: stockster5 who wrote msg# 175246 Date:11/18/2006 7:53:41 PM
Post #of 175263
You :: there has been another 24/7 fight channel for years? what is the channel's name?
(I said nothing about channel, I said .. "AD... this type of show has been around for years", not channels... show, as in match, presentation, promotion.
You:: "just wondering why are the majority of your posts are negative. (i myself have questioned the company as of late = balance) i do not see balance in your posts IMO." ... (again, your mistaking realist for negativism, it seems anything not favorable to bkmp/tfn is thus negative. I've said many times I think TFN is the real deal)
You:: the prfd's were free and sandy has stated many times that he has done his part and the shares were delivered. what can sandy or the company do if the brokerages are the ones at fault here? ... (Can you show proof that brokerages are at fault... or proof of anyone being at fault? My Scottrade account has shown L994## and is non active. But the share number was there from the second day of div dates, since Sept 15, 16? How do you know bkmp is not at fault. It's a big IF.)
Just because Tfn has potential, you accept a ludicrous dividend of 170 trillion non voting preferred share 'gift' that no one can trade, let alone show up in their accounts... as a good thing??? Then I would have to question your experience in trading sub penny and micro cap stocks. Here's what, as a realist, I think will happen to out prfd's ... since they have yet to be official, I think they will be liquidated, or retracted. Yes, a company can cancel a dividend.
You::" i do however agree with you in that we need viewpoints from both sides of the fence and thank you for your opinions. i just do not think MOST here are trying to mislead anyone." ... ("and AD.... it's folks like you who won't look at other facts and info who will mislead people trying to get some level info about TFN." .. oops, maybe I should have been more concise on that line, as I was referring to YOU, not 'most' people... but you saw it your way anyways...
All that said, hey, you have as much right as anyone to post your viewpoints, I just don't think you should be dictating what people do here, thats for mod's...and even they don't tell people to leave, they just go to jail... your not a mod yet, I don't think.......
Post whatever you want, I don't have to read anything. But if I happen to catch someone bending my words, then I will say something.
Thanks S5
AD... this type of show has been around for years........ what makes you think Tfn or any other fight group is a incredible new idea............. from what people here say, Sandy and someone started this idea in a stinkin' bar. Well, Tfn is a new name, but the genre is NOT. And it still isn't the biggest thing in the pond. If Tfn happens to stay around, then we will make a decent return on shares.... it remains to be seen. I don't rah rah because I don't see anything to rah about. 170 trillion share gift with no clue given is more like grief than gift. To me, this stupid move (prfd's) by who the heck knows, is going to bite TFN in the azz.......and that would be the crime.
and AD.... it's folks like you who won't look at other facts and info who will mislead poeple trying to get some level info about TFN.
(edit) ... and AD, I've NEVER told anyone to disregard any poster, or how to post. If I had a beef, I posted publicly to their face.....I get deleted, but that happens.
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seabee... that would be nice... (1) It's not my truck.. (2) The company I drive for is a contracted production house doing work for Court TV among others, mostly in the mid to eastern seaboard... I'd love to go west. When I find myself in an area where I think I'll get unbiased input from people (like a bunch of canadians from Toronto at a whirlpool in Newark, NJ), I'll ask people about stuff. To me, it proves nothing to me to talk to a arena full of fight fans about something they know everything about. Just like all the one sided fight PR's printed on this thread from companies and interests involved in fight leagues. Of course, nothing negative would be said.!
My point being if 1000 people out of 100,000 are fevered fight fans, asking them if mma is great and then saying they speak for the masses is misinformation. This is whats always hyped with anything trying to succeed.
I love hockey, but the folks in a north dakota bar just look at me funny. Do you get what I mean.?
I'm trying to keep a balanced viewpoint here.
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OT>>OT:: Did anyone ever notice that there are NO boards on Ihub about successful ongoing companies in otc or big boards even... success doesn't sell forum boards I guess........................
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OT:: Wow, Simple, neat about magazine influx. You may have to open on the weekends...lol. My Dad and stepmom are staying in texas during the winters, I'll have them pick up the mag to find your place. Maybe ship me a burger like our Whitecastle's.
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OT:: Jakethesnake told webprods to stop getting hopes up... and he did. Web just went away... spartans shouldn't be that thin skinned.
I was in Newark, NJ this past thu, fri. I was in a whirlpool at a Holiday Inn and a big group of folks from Toronto joined me in the hot tub..(not all of them of course) and I asked whomever would listen if they knew about fight network and mma etc... I was dissapointedly underwhelmed by the reaction... I think I talked directly with 9 people and counting other folks soaking there and listening to me, just 2 (two) KNEW about TFN... TWO... that sucks as far as I'm concerned. These were younger people, sports people too... this is the second time I've been slammed in my expectations of how big this sport is supposed to be. You can question whatever you want of my post, but I'm not going to be sucked into the hype about all this. I've been buying stock based on TFN NOT bkmp, and I want to stay positive on Tfn but these impromptu fact finding sessions are pissing me off. I don't know how to address this, but I just wanted to rant.
I'm still driving a 18 wheeler mobile TV studio as a freelancer, and I have a lot of contact with TV people. So, my quest continues.
glta S5
Ranzy, your positive, rah rah, rehtoric, can be percieved just the same. Perhaps you shouldn't be so judgemental here, since this is a forum board and point counter point IS allowed.
People have the right to question a ceo validity and past transgressions of a company officer are ignored only by the unwise and uninitiated 'investor'.
It may also be true, that the pink and otc arena may actually favor the short and day traders... as long holders have historically shown lower odds of profit over the haul.
If one is in for the long 'haul', it's only prudent to investigate past histories of companies and officers... A BIG negative for me is never having any "audited" financials to file. That can't possibly be put into a positive view. A straight up filing company has nothing to hide. No excuse for non-audits. As I've always stated, Tfn is a real deal at this time, Bkmp is the holding company and the sooner that the Tfn brand is the masthead and bkmp is dissolved or merged... the better for any shareholder able to survive all the reverse split crap that seems to be coming down.
One last direct comment about bkmp... Who would issue 170 trillion preferred, then not say a single word as to why or what is going on...?? NOT a legitimate company IMO... which may be why bkmp is still a otc or less stock.......
and please refrain from the naked short crap...NO PENNY COMPANY has ever shown nss nor taken down the big bad shorters and MM's.
S5
I've been too busy for a few days to read board, but to AD.. I don't understand
your use of "agreeing" to a Reverse split.
Posted by: AmbitiousDrive
In reply to: Moosetuck who wrote msg# 173832 Date:11/14/2006 11:23:42 PM
Post #of 174364
{cut/paste for size}..--> and if he PR's that 176 trillion prfds were issued, that would open a whole nother can of worms. this whole mess needs to be cleared up. and as shareholders we should demand to know WHAT THE HECK is going on before agreeing to any sort of R/S..
… I hate to break this to you bud, but I'm
almost positive our bkmp commons have NO voting rights from the inception. So if your suggesting we have input with the company about anything corporate, you'll be sadly disappointed since
Sandy can do whatever he wants without asking shareholders….. IMO
S5
twintrader.com is one of many newer PAID tout boards, you'll get no useful unbiased information there.
OT:: Artfink, you just had to swear at me in a PM again.!! If you can't post it publicly, don't post me PM.
Thanks
(I won't lock your PM's because you may actually quote something of value.)
S5
Well, garsh, I guess my sardonic humor is lost on some people........... you didn't think I was serious did you?
have a good night, this side of the world monday is tomorrow......another day.
S5
TBB... numerous people (including myself) are SPECULATING about a reverse split, no one other than bkmp officers know if or when a reverse split may happen.
If cardvic has a half an day jump on us, that means he/she could sell the prfd's before we even know they are trading....
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Cardvic, It's actually none of your business what stocks I hold.
But, I don't think I'd waste my time on this thread if I didn't have an interest in TFN either. But a question to you... are you an alias of artfink...? why do you post an instantaneous defense and smarmy compliment of artfink ... no matter WHAT time of the night or day. I'm on late at night because that's when I get the chance, but your replies never fail to appear with artfink.
I think that trillions of prfd's of bkmp are a ruse from bkmp, the reasons are unknown to me, and you're confusing realist with negativism. Not the same. Ex: Negative... "Sandy doesn't know what he's doing, he's going to sink TFN for sure..." Realist: A 130 trillion dividend has done nothing good for shareholders because it can't be traded anytime soon.!
thanks for your interest.
S5
Gee, Artfink, I guess I'm not the only one that thinks your full of cat ca ca.... I told you your writing style gives you away. The question is WHY do you post this stuff? And who are you really?
Bkmp/Tfn is having enough crap with the jillion preferred, why add to the confusion.
Another thing, people on this thread can't seem to make up their minds about that stupid dividend, some said it's a brilliant idea to trap shorts, then said now it's a problem for traders and brokers... which is it.?
SPEC:: Me? I think Bkmp wanted some cheap stock headlines. Again, IMO, a major reverse split of prfd is imminent, but actually a smoke screen cover up for the real reason to r/s common as well.
We'll see.
S5
and oh yea, artfink, don't go swearing at me in a PM okay.
just an opinion.
S5
Artfink, Sorry, but I think you're a fraud........
"ANOTHER EMAIL FROM SANDY
Mike:
Who is going to return them to the T/A?
If the DTC participants require 176 trillion then someone has sold more shares then they own, if MM are never required to cover there shorts, then we cannot do anything about the difference.
--> I am think about how to solve this problem.
Does sandy always paraphrase and type like you? Or are you just retyping sandy's emails.... either way it's questionable.
geez, I hope all 23 emails from us don't cut into Sandy's lunch delete session....
S5
It sounds like a decent idea. But when somebody comes back and posts "this is from Sandy" ..how can we believe the poster???
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Guess what AD..?? I hope I'm wrong too. I never said scam and bkmp in the same sentence, that's just you adding your own slant again. Matter of fact, I didn't type scam at all....
Tfn is a real entity of some sort, Bkmp is a 20% holding company in..in .. something... even that isn't spelled out in black and white clearly.... if I'm investing in your company at least print PR's that one can understand without knowing Latin.
Am I wrong in stating any input from bkmp has been vague? No.
Is it too demanding to ask for a simple update, and I mean REAL update… financial type data if possible, oh maybe once every month or so...??? Absolutely not.
Hiring another talking head is not news to push pps
Even with sub pennies, I look at the past histories of the company and it's officers…. to not try to learn from past mistakes is not real wise money management. And I think most would agree, part of the trick to making
money here IS money management.
This is negative because I'm not rah rah the company?? BS…this is being realistic and protecting my interests.
If you don't allow counter point discussion here then the pumpers will reign and no one can be subjective and intelligent in their research.
I jump on these boards early as I've found that sometimes the threads have news faster than otcbb or other sites.
So that's a good thing.
Oh yea, my mind reading tells me REVERSE SPLIT REAL SOON …….
glta S5