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it's been Deals, Deals, Deals nonstop since ECOC 2019 Meta Stability data proved ever increasing stability!!!
Total financial amount of these DEALS DEALS DEALS = $00.00
#fakehypeeveryday
If they are still on the road to commercialization, what made you think for the last 10 years that it was DEAL TIME!!!!!!!!?
Oh and of course It will always not have a partnership announced until it does, so that crowd will be right until they are not.
And even truer, is that the one that says there will be a DEAL!!!!!!!! and day, is still 100% wrong, until they are right, although have been wrong 3,193 times over the last 12 years.
It's been non-stop partnering deals under NDA's up & down the entire Industry food chain for 5 years now ever since the 2019 ECOC and the Meta-Stability data showing ever increasing Stability!!
Yes I have totaled all of your quoted partner DEALS!!!!!! and it totaled $00.00. I think I can speak for most of the long-term shareholders to say, MEANINGLESS in terms of driving up the share price, especially since many of these "Partner DALS!!!!!" have come after the share-price was $20.
"NEAR-TERM AS WE MOVE TO COMMERCIALIZATION"!!!! concluded Lebby
If the CEO knows that we have not been even close to COMMERCIALIZATION, what made you think that we were any day away from a financial DEAL!!!!!!! the last 10+ years???? Was it those insiders telling you that?
It must just be because of the market movements, I mean the it's the shorts, or maybe it's because the MM's on this social media that are scaring the Institutions and public from buying. That's the ticket. C'mon Dr. W. give us some Vein!
Thanks again to jinx Eddie Mushtex who always brags a post when we cross a new higher share-price, and of course we quickly go lower.
My concern has never been about shorts, as that is a fake diversion about the share price. Most, if not every single publicly traded stock has shorting. My question is why every owner of every Data Center, that has learned about the GOO, has not jumped in on the open market to buy as much as they can up to the 5% reporting number? Why every billionaire that understands technology like a Cuban, Musk, or Bezos, that know what Moore's Law and after all the data on the material; Faster, Greener, Cheaper etc have not bought up as much as possible? How every Engineer that has seen the amazing results in their labs, haven't sold their spouses unneeded extra Kidney to buy as many shares as possible?
Shorts will get squeezed if/when we get our first financial contract, or make more money if not. This short talk is a waste of time. If we have the GOOlden GOOse and it is just taking some time to make adjustments in the fab's, why aren't the sharps buying on the come? Or are there still many steps needed to solve before the GOO is Through?
Always Eddie Mush to the jinx. Let's wait until we get to 50% of the high ($10) before counting the next milestone.
I totally agree about the % of the street investors that know about this esoteric science and company, but we are way past the goal of Mgt to be stock hypers. Once we get the first financial contract, and then the world learns how the GOO will make all things tech Faster, Cheaper, Greener, the world media will inform all about the Cure to Moore. 5-8 years ago when all the tech experts were pooping on the thought that Photonics is the answer, these dog and pony shows were good to tell the advantages, but now every T1 that needs to know, knows. Let's see why they are not ready to buy, and work in their labs to get the hurdles crossed.
The only thing that matters is in the T1 labs. We have nothing (unless a trader or shorter) until we have everything. Everything will happen with the first contract, then all the short concerns wasting our time here will quickly be over. Dr. L. give us some Vein.
jeunke and proto and others. i'm confused about the participation in investor conferences.
i've no idea what's holding deals up, but if lwlg
business, why participate in these conferences? what's in it for them?
What's in it for them? First Class Air trips, Hotels, Restaurants, around the world paid by us. Preaching to people that have heard our presentations at least 5-8 times by now, instead of spending every day either at the foundries, or chip end users, finalizing the first ever financial DEAL, not the fake imaginary ones we have been hearing about for 11 years.
- LWLG has partnering deals already in place with many companies throughout the Industry food chain from component suppliers to end users like Google Facebook Amazon etc,
Wow oh wow, we have deals with Google and Amazon IT IS DEAL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Challenges In Photonics Testing
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Alignment remains the top issue, but new developments could pave the way to high-volume manufacturing.
APRIL 11TH, 2023 - BY: KAREN HEYMAN
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Photonics is poised for significant growth due a rapid increase in data volumes and the need to move that data quickly and with minimal heat. But to reach its full potential photonics will have to overcome several production hurdles.
The biggest challenge today involves alignment. While the industry is poised to produce billions of units, it still relies on testing practices that don’t scale.
“In photonics, you need to bring light in and have it coupled into photonic circuitry that is on the wafer,” Scott Jordan, head of photonics at Physik Instrumente USA (PI). “So the alignment has to be correct within a few tens of nanometers, with the exact angle and z position along the optical axis to achieve optimal coupling — getting light in and out of a device or series of devices.”
Others agree. “Physical alignment is a big and important problem that a lot of companies are working on solving,” said Manish Mehta, vice president of marketing and operations for Broadcom’s Optical Systems Division. “If you’re working with high-density silicon photonics, you have to take optical elements and attach them to your optical engine in a way that you can get light in and out, and that’s a very common investment across the optics industry. Whether it’s with chip companies, transceiver companies, or now OEMs, everyone’s starting to invest in some of the capabilities for building that optical alignment as part of the manufacturing process.”
In fact, about 80% of the cost of a photonic integrated circuit is consumed in alignment processes, according to Jordan.
Like most things in photonics, it’s more complicated than CMOS manufacturing. “For photonics, testing means being able to couple and get information about light on the chip,” said Gilles Lamant, distinguished engineer at Cadence. “It’s not like just having a landing pad on the electronics. On most chips, light goes in a certain direction, but your testing will alter it. Alignment is also for coupling, so in a package if you don’t have perfect alignment, you’re going to lose some power. You always hear people talking about how many dBs they’re losing on alignment. That’s where the challenge is.”
The tolerances involved increase the severity of that challenge. For example, a photonics interconnect is about 1,000X smaller than a typical on-chip interconnect.
“Photonics typically need sub-micron precision in placement of optical components within a package to align chip to fiber or through other optical elements,” said Robert Maher, CTO of Optical Modules and Coherent Solutions at Infinera. “This comes from the fact that the mode diameter in photonic ICs is on the order of few microns (1 to 3µm). The mode in fiber is larger than a typical waveguide device such as a laser or PIC and one needs a lens or series of precisely aligned lenses to map/align them. The mode size scales with the refractive indices and not just the size or diameter,” said Maher.
In many areas of photonics, there’s no margin, cautioned Twan Korthorst, director of photonics solutions at Synopsys. “Depending on the tolerances, if your application is power budget-sensitive, and you lose a lot of dB in your fiber chip coupling or in your laser chip alignment coupling, then your whole system is not going to work.”
There’s another difference with electronics that underscores why it’s so important to get alignment right. “In electronics you can have an amplifier, so when you have a long chain of processing a signal, you can regenerate your signal along the way,” said Lamant. “In silicon photonics you can’t do that because there is no active device, so you have to be extremely careful about your insertion loss at each level. Of course, in electronics you also try to mitigate your losses, but it’s fairly common to insert a buffer to regenerate your signal. That is very hard to do today in photonics.”
There are many research efforts dedicated to grafting active devices on top of silicon. Still, photonics has its own idiosyncrasies.
“It is important to consider the dramatic differences in an electrical channel versus an optical channel,” said John Calvin, senior strategic planner for IP wireline technology at Keysight Technologies. “The ‘channel’ or trace between two electrical chips may only be a few centimeters, but the attenuation can be on the order of 40 dB. An optical fiber has extremely low loss (<0.5 dB/km) and channels may be 10 km or more in length. Rather than frequency-dependent attenuation, optical transmitters are tested in the context of signal dispersion and expected receiver sensitivity. Optical signals ride on an optical carrier, so the carrier performance in terms of wavelength is also important to control in order to avoid channel interference and manage dispersion.”
Testing options
Consider what needs to happen with transmission, especially as data rates increase. “A transmitter made of discrete components requires alignment of optical components to minimize attenuation,” Calvin said. “Optical modulators also require polarization alignment to operate correctly. While not anything like optical beam alignment, there is also the issue of optimizing the electrical to optical conversion or modulation of the light.”
In this scenario, alignment of optical beams can be completed with simple power measurements. “Optical modulation quality must be assessed with high-speed instrumentation,” Calvin said. “For intensity-modulated direct detect systems, the transmitter eye diagram acquired with a digital communications analyzer is assessed and used to verify eye-diagram quality. For coherent (complex modulation) systems, the constellation diagram is measured using an optical modulation analyzer.”
In general, there are two kinds of tests to determine alignment — active testing, which predominates, and passive testing.
Active testing is a feedback loop. “People bring in a fiber and power it up, and while moving around the fiber with an XYZ and even rotation system, they measure the actual coupling from the fiber to the chip, and glue it if necessary,” said Synopsys’ Korthorst. “So then the test is actually part of the actual assembly process, because you have a feedback loop where you measure while you position and while you fix.”
At this point in photonics development, active testing is either done by a company creating its own in-house testing platform, or through a third-party testing vendor. Jordan’s company, PI, claims the fastest alignment speed for test and assembly in the industry, a bedrock for high-volume manufacturing, and likely to remain a key differentiator among vendor claims.
“Over the last 10 years, there are more standard solutions for testing and evaluation of optical sub-assemblies and packages,” said Michael Webby, CEO of Lightwave Logic. “That’s going to keep increasing, because as volumes keep increasing in the optical industry, we have to get the testing time down. When I first started back in 2000, the time it took to test and evaluate an optical module was two to three hours. Now it’s down to under an hour and where we’re going is to get it done in a few minutes.”
Broadcom has announced a passive testing system, which if it performs as promised, should greatly increase the speed of testing and support high volume manufacturing of co-packaged optics (CPO). Passive testing eliminates the feedback loop and is a self-contained, self-diagnosing system.
For CPO with detachable fiber, there will still be active alignment steps required to attach the passive optical components to the optical engine. However, once engines are fully assembled, they can be tested at both engine and CPO level by passively inserting fiber cables, which enables a robust test flow at various levels of the assembly. “You don’t attach fiber permanently. You have an optical engine that you have to insert a fiber cable into in order to get your light in and out, but it is detachable,” said Mehta. “Because of that, we can build test systems where you just insert your optical engine, and you insert the fiber, and you’re able to do test and it’s passively aligned, it’s self-aligned. It’s part of our manufacturing process that you get the alignment.”
Greater traction
Much of this is a sign that photonics is coming of age. Until recently, its small market size may have offered less enticement for larger tool vendors to join in with solutions.
While photonics has long been established in telecom, it’s a market that requires fewer installations than newer applications, like automotive lidar. “The volumes haven’t been that high because most of these high-speed optics are used in core bulk massive transmission applications,” said Rob Shore, senior vice president of marketing at Infinera. “Only recently are we starting to get more toward edge applications and pluggables, where the volumes go from hundreds or thousands of units to 10 million-plus units.”
Photonics was a big buzzword in the 1990s, as the promise of the early internet drove telcos to install fiber-optic cables. But once enough fiber was in place, the excitement receded and the industry merely hummed along. Now, with the recent data boom, the excitement has returned and the industry is partying like it’s 1999, with one important exception — this time the party isn’t likely to sputter out.
“The magic word is consumer, because that’s when you start getting into volumes of hundreds of billions, instead of a couple million,” said PI’s Jordan. “The current interest in silicon photonics has been driven by energy efficiency, capacity, and speed for data centers. It’s what’s going to drive this field from now on. That’s the difference compared to what happened in 1997 to 2000, when there was a single application.”
Changes are on the horizon today as the industry needs are shifting, particularly in data centers. “The last several generations of data center specifications have relied heavily on dealing with channel loss through re-timing and signal regeneration,” said Keysight’s Calvin. “BER was the priority with less of an emphasis on latency and aggregate power performance. The resulting DSP-heavy and power-hungry architectures are under serious scrutiny today. There are direct drive (sometimes called linear drive) initiatives that eliminate many of these regenerative circuits and emphasize linear/analog signal conditioning. In this direct drive scenario, what were once two clearly separated domains become inextricably tied together as part of single system. Test strategies will need to be based on maintaining the information signal integrity as it flows from electrical to optical and back.”
Conclusion
Industry maturity will likely change some, but not all of the testing environment.
“With the advent of silicon photonics, much of the manufacturing variability drops out as the ‘system’ is built using conventional microelectronic CMOS type fabrication processes,” said Calvin. “This can simplify or even remove some of the tests required. But process variability still exists, and some testing will still be required, such as the waveform quality at high data rates.”
Overall, there is optimism that greater demand will lead to appropriate equipment becoming more widely available, in a familiar industry cycle. “Photonics is just like the semiconductor industry was 35 years ago,” said Jordan. “It’s just people all over the place doing little manual jobs using custom machines. But that ecosystem grew, and today you can equip a semiconductor fab just by writing purchase orders and we see that happening in photonics too.”
Mehta agreed, highlighting changes in a different part of the industry. “About a decade ago, folks started going to some of the high-precision, die-attach vendors and asking for customization on tools that at the time were being used for non-optical products. Over the next two to three years, there was a fair amount of customization required, but then it was deployed across 10 million to 20 million units a year of optical transceivers. Now, if you walk into any of those vendors, and you ask them for the kind of alignment requirements that are needed for optics, they know exactly what you’re looking for. We just have to get the volumes.
That's funny, because I was thinking that we have been doing so many presentations all over the world, that it truly makes the company ubiquitous. Would be nice if we first became, singular with our first actual financial DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know some think that we need to continue to take the CEO out of the country, instead of at the foundries, but honestly who is going to be at these dog and pony shows, that doesn't already know about the GOO? If there was meaningful updates, normal business procedure would be to contact directly all of the fabs testing already.
Who has the record for the all time fastest Ky Derby? Preakeness ? Belmont?
I like that analogy. Big Red was the greatest. What color is the GOO so we can say the same?
The shorts are getting very nervous, they have borrowed and sold 20 million shares thinking they are rich, but they have to buy back 20 million shares. Kind of like borrowing money from the bank and trying to tell the bank how wealthy they are now. But as they try to buy back shares the current holders are not selling so the price will rise, all they can do is to try and scare us. Honest.
Are you now saying you were very wrong when you told us all how valuable shorts were?
Don't you want the share-price to go down some more so you can buy a little more shares?
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x says--"Do you guys literally not understand that you can purchase more shares when the price drops? Do really want to own less shares than more shares? Over the long haul the shorts providing discounted shares is of benefit to the longs that are buying them."
Even better than IT'S DEAL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
MP4 that is a very excellent post showing the pros and cons. If you just posted the cons you would be attacked as a fake hater, and if you just gave the pros you would be an Xcellent hyper. Given both of your lists, I am happy to still be on the long side, and just hope I live long enough to enjoy the future spoils of the GOO riches.
How many shares have you bought this week? Tomorrow is the last trading day of the week.
Did the dictionary explain that those terms meant that it is DEAL TIME!!!!!!!!!?
I think they don’t dare to push the share price really low. It might have as a consequence some people will buy more….and there will be less available to cover
True, the last thing the shorts will ever want is the share-price to go lower. There is nothing better than reading short comments all day on this informative message board.
How many shares?
Is there any reason to trust what one reads on a stock message board?
So are you saying that it is not now nor has it been DEAL TIME!!!!!!!!!!
berigud, I look at the Insultex material as the basis of my investment. It is the far superior material in a multi-billion dollar industry. I also am frustrated by the low share-price, but whenever the company provides updated testing data confirming again the R-Value, the floodgates will open up. I believe waiting for this has definitely precluded many potential major customers from ordering.
The previous test was close to a decade ago, and I understand how Inspectors would request newer results, before approving that these contractors can now deduct 6-R from whatever the local building requirements are. This fact that they can do it, is another reason for using our material. Just the cost savings on insulation would be enough, add all of the other factors like energy savings etc. that this truly is and will be a no-brainer, and as I say---- anyone doing new building, or remodeling, and is not using the Insultex House-wrap is doing Construction Malpractice
Look, once we get this result and the orders roll in, yes the share-price will hit $2.00, and that seems like an unbelievable price by comparison, but if that is the case, it would be a bad decision to sell, because that's where it was years ago, just when they started with Home Depot, and Lowes. That is when the competition called out their lobbyist dogs, and got the FTC to try to lean on our necks, to kill the company. We know we won, and once we get the train moving again down the tracks, $2.00 will be chump change shortly after that.
When we get the results and again start to take market share from DuPont and the other manufacturers, there will be an auction to see who would buy us out. If a Kimberly Clark, or the even smaller market share sellers in this industry had this Disruptive Technology material, they would now own this industry.
Believe me, if the CEO did sell this for anything less than $20, after they tried to not only kill this company, but created serious health issues to him, then I would criticize him. But after he literally put his house and all personal wealth up to fight this horrible lawsuit, I give him lots of slack, because without our Mr. Joseph Riccelli literally keeping the lights on, this company would be out of business.
When was the last day that a single share of stock was bought?
What the "world" knows doesn't really matter.
Tell that to all of the true longs that have supported and kept the lights on in the lab for almost 20 years. I own many stocks, including other undiscovered disruptive technology ones, and pretty much all of them are very forthcoming to the share-holders on where they stand in every process towards commercialization. This is very much the opposite of your favorite non-sequitur comeback.
: If customers are aware that there is a seismic tech change on the horizon they will postpone all purchasing as long as possible and it will affect current sales?
That is a great point, but can't we make the contrary point that by LWLG not letting the world know about the Disruptive TechGOOology, it will take longer for the foundries to commit? What I mean is that chips are like other commodities, insomuch that chip users plan their chip usage for extended time frames. If they decide to buy chips that they will be using, they will buy for at least a years worth, and maybe more. Any experts can add color please?
So if we tell the world that we are working with xyz as co-partners in making chips F, C, G, without NDA violations about which fabs we are working with, if I was buying chips for my smart phone, EV cars, etc., etc., that would make my current product obsolete compared to competition that will wait for these chips, I also would say to my fab, tell me if you are going to Do the GOO, and if not, why, and if not good bye. Yes it would create some blowback in current sales to potential partners, but either get in the fast lane with LWLG, sooner than later, or go the way of horse buggy makers when autos were made, Beta Max when Digital came, or 100's of fill in the blanks.
We need to make the foundries, once all of the testing has been properly done and confirmed, run to the starting line, for their race to be the first to have the electric lightbulb, while the rest of the world sits in darkness. We no longer need to do these conferences to educate the world about the need for photonics. All that need to know, now know. Let's get down and dirty with all of the potential customers, in their labs etc. and resolve whatever has not been to get to the first financial contract(s)
Then I toss my phone on the bed , shower and go to work.
That is what hurts the most, work would only be an elective option. A friend stopped by with I guess at least an $100k car, and I think... I gave up on paper about 15-20 of them.
if you build it they will come. C'mon Dr. L. make it the Fields of GOO Dreams, asap.
I have held 6 figure's of shares for I think 16-17 years and other than taking my original money plus a little, have not sold. This of course drives me crazy every day thinking what I lost on paper, and all the things I would be buying. But have not bought any new shares, and never wanted the s-p to go low to buy a few thousand more cheap shares. Having said all of that, once we get what Vein has been requesting, I would be happy to pay $10- $16 as it starts to fly up, knowing it will be $100 whenever the mass media let's the world know about Faster, Greener, Cheaper, Gooier.
As I have said for years...errr now more than a decade and a half, the only thing that matters is in the T1's labs, and we have nothing until we have everything. Unless you are a trader, or game player we wait for the news of our beloved GOO.
Although most understand the joking hyperbole that I would sell my wife's second unnecessary kidney to buy more stock, but as little as I really understand photonics and all of the science, we really are a select few that know about this stock. Even if the NEWS we need comes out and the stock is halted and goes from say $6.00 to $15 we would still be stealing every share we could afford to buy, and I literally would turn everything I have of value to liquid cash to buy all I can.
Needless to say the last year or so, after hitting $20 as been very frustrating, and some doubt creeps in. We have the best with Dr. L., but wish he would throw us a no-NDA bone, as we have been loyal paying investors for a long, long, time.
Who here that is a true long, doesn't wake up every day, and doesn't go to whatever your financial news site is, and scroll down, begging to see LWLG stock haled news pending, and not long after that, IT IS DEAL TIME!!!!!!!!!!. I want to see that and for it to be 100% true.
"For years now we have been giving days for shorts to cover and those dates have come and gone with no real change in the PPS. It actually been going down"
But these experts have been telling us for many years that any day there would be a signed financial DEAL!!!!! Are you saying they are hyping without any real knowledge of the science, and how many improvements were needed before the first sale?
RIP Gordon E Moore.
May your name and Lightwave Logic, go down together, synonymous in history, as the disruptive technology that changes the whole world of technology.
But hopefully it happens soon before I RIP. Give us a little Vein.
If you can't read both quotes and see the games played, I won't be able to explain it to you.
"OH lol, and the proof that there are 20 million shorts is reported bi-monthly via FINRA.
So The shorts have borrowed 20 Million shares, they do not own them, they do not own them, they do not own them, they are only renting them and that can continue as long as they like, but they still need to buy them back from someone and return them to whoever owns them. Who is going to sell them 20 million shares?"
Are you now telling us loyal followers that shorts are now not our friends?
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x says--"Do you guys literally not understand that you can purchase more shares when the price drops? Do really want to own less shares than more shares? Over the long haul the shorts providing discounted shares is of benefit to the longs that are buying them."
#whichsideofthemouth?
I agree that the GOO's progress will never be through, but my "100%" meant that if someone gave us the first ever DEAL!!!!!! that we could deliver a finished working product?
I agree. It would be like the Aesop fable of killing the Golden Goose. The difference was they opened up the G. G. looking for all of the golden eggs, only to find none. They were greedy and wanted it all at once. If they were patient, they would have continued to get Golden Egg after Golden Egg. Why someone that has been longer and stronger than 99.5% of investors in LWLG would for years forecast that we would sell out, decades before all of the potential T1 customers would continue to pay us tribute, makes me wonder what games are being played?
Did those 3 Geeks working in a garage, sell out their Microsoft Golden Goose for chump change? Did Bezos sell his web-site after achieving success selling books, because he didn't think that in the future he could sell a few more things ? WHY would the Mgt team sell out their long and loyal shareholders? They never would until we were at least a few hundred dollars a share.
pitster- no time to word check, got to cut down some redwoods.
xster said--
Once this is perfected the industry will shift,
We have been told for more than a decade from a supposed expert that any day there would be a signed financial contract. People were ostracized for challenging that hype. I do appreciate your actual knowledge of the photonic science, but how many steps still need to either be tested, invented, or patented, before the material is 100% PERFECTED and ready for commercialization?
Thank you for educating us less knowledgeable peeps on the science!
I'm sure there are things going on behind the scenes we aren't aware of and the company isn't ready to talk about,
Lol, that is the understatement of the last 20 years.
I agree, but to your point that the foundries might have to take time to get their foundry customers to accept the vastly improved chips, to me should be automatic. Sure they always have to specify the chips for each customers, but don't they do that now? As far as the s-p I believe when we get our first penny for a GOO chip, the world will have to follow the leader, or be left in the dark, like if they didn't jump in with T. A. Edison's invention. That is how game changing the GOO will be, if we ever get the Vein. The customers will fall in line like dominoes.
If only we had a cool representation of that happening.