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Extremely well put.
GLTU
So you would think if this small little business with 1 to 3 employees with a revenue box that is checked $ 0-500,000 ,the lowest bracket, New YORK would be the wisest choice to kick off tour.
Howard goes to LA to start tour, hunting for doc/med interest to buy then to Texas and Fla.
No mention of New York and thats were your first multi million dollar distribution deal comes from and a supposed minority holder.
I do think Snizzle your too smart to even justify that. The building is 2400 sq ft. Its almost hilarious that PHAR is mirred in the most populous pharma distributing centers in the US and this guy is tucked in store front that has a removable banner and we are supposed to think, thats smart business. Makes zero sense .
If PHAR would have toned it down in the PR and not LIE IT UP OR FLUFF IT UP and rather said that this is first step then you might be able to stomach it. The way this type events/prs are being handled it comes right out of PinkScam101 book.
GLTu
You sound like myself. Ive tossed so much around in my head on this stock it sounds like marbles rolling around.
Whats saddens me to end up having to conclude after throwing all the numbers,facts,projections around is. No way is this a viable company under the present business model. Nothing in the model right now, at least for me shows a sense of urgency to right the ship. Not a single one of the players involved have lost a dime yet. Only investors.. Even the 3mil invested that some think Howard invested was private investors money that got burned on prior attempt to market.
No accounting of money raised and how far we are into PHASE 1 from that funding. Nothing adds up because you get no visible proof of anything accomplished for the most important aspects of getting product launched.
GLTU Wish it wasnt like this.
Each time i left my number and a brief message to call me in regards to a business matter, and did not want to leave lengthy vmail ..
Your alais pic is perfect for how i end up feeling after trying to find the simpliest of answeres to resolve my concerns.
Ive said it so many times, some of the best researchers on this board ive run accross. Its almost an insult to our intellegence for PHAR to think some are not going to just read a PR and get all googly eyed over it.. but rather many of us know how to do in depth verification and DD that separates FACT from FICTION.
From what i gather AMS is a home medical delivery service. O2,beds,walkers etc..
What i would really be interested to hear from AMS, to be a distributor and committ on 5mil of product , WHO are you distributing it to ? How was the 5mil amount assembled and are you in fact a minority partner.
Always appreciate your work GLTU
Does that not bother you Snizzle? From an investors standpoint if the Champion call in the beginning was 100%transparency.
Last address to group was 7/18/2011 and it was handled by TJ the crook. 6months ago..
NOTHING since. Only PRs that either cant be validated or even have any validity to begin with. Any filings since answer nothing, just have posed more unanswered questions.
I truly believe if you put out a PR out that goes throughout market media.. Then IMO it should actually be more important to show ,to verify, to authenticate the results of any PR that has TRADE INDUCING CONOTATIONS. IE. Rollback,Distribution agg. etc
JMO GLTU
Youve got the right place. Placed 3 calls. You always get answering machine. First prompt on recording is "if this is an emergency ,hang up dial 911". Otherwises leave a detailed message. I left 3 messges leaving my cell # and got one return TEXT with just the phone #. So i called and you go through same process again. Have been unable to reach anyone.
Just gave up..
With respect for your observation, speaking only for myself, this tanking started in July.
I was an investor before the ticker changed. I encourage you to look at my JULY, AUG,Sept, OCT many postings. They all encourage the same thing. Put the resposibility of this tanking squarely on the shoulders of HOWARD as CEO , demand answers as to what leadership is doing to correct. Not pr this and pr that.
I think to,, its so easy to look at the last couple of month going sub penny and that whats being referenced as PPS slide and trying to find recent postings and allegations and facts as the cause.
My question for all is, what about from .05 pps to the point of sub penny when none of the recent events and posting didnt exist, for the most part.Thats the real RED FLAG
I do understand your post, but i just dont know what its going to take for the board to stop justifying a CEO that obviously has lost control. A good leader, IMO, should if things that had been previously promised and are not obtainable now,,should address and update shareholders and as a LEADER adjust your business model so as to let investors know you are not just falling into a black hole,,unwilling to develope new strategies.
Take care, GLTU
Hey Maybe This Time,TOUR visits locations just strange with Wilson and Charlotte being two of the largest cities housing some of the largest PHARMACEUTICAL companies.
Charlotte is home to more millionares per capita than any in US.
I just find it strange that LA is chosen, 8miles from JOSEPH PITTEREA his legal counsel as was he Dennis McLauglins counsel from years past.
Dallas Tex, stop is home to all previous shell crooks and present largest shareholders, minus Howard of course DM,KC,TW,RC
Miami Fla. Monte Waldman and his CPA firm, connected to DM through Green Equity Holdings deal prior to PHAR
Hopefully, just strictly by chance
GLTU
OH NOT Again,,Cant remember who posted the other day on this suject, but they had emailed HOWARD and he replied in a return email that they posted a copy of,, that he confirmed that this is in fact what he does. He as well gave an explanation.
The explanation is concerning especially if your on tour dealing with Docs and Investors, you dont want the samples they recieve to have the label start peeling off.. Bad first impression if by chance that did happen.. IMO
GLTU
I understand, your right for today.. I was just bringing up as i have since JULY, when do we stop justifying the reason ourselves, and demand HOWARD as CEO come forward.
This investor what im saying made a decision based on the direction of the stock. That direction can and must be demonstrated by HOWARD and from a proffessional business model, he is not controlling the situation, for new or old investors if we are truthful about it.
But to many times our agenda or portfolio concers dont allow us to be truthful. IMO that is understandable.
Gold Icon ,Along your same line of thought, you would go as far in the opposite direction IMO.
If your going through the expense, make it as open and get all the publicity you possibly can garner. Just makes good practical business sense.
If you tout something as a PUBLIC company as PR worthy then you should relish the chance to address shareholders about details of its importance,its agenda etc. JMHO
GlTU
BUT if we look back a few days ago on the board as this investor being applauded almost as he was a savior,,, he obviously had one intention and one only. To flip it for some fast money. Thats whats attractive when a company is in demize.
That IMO is a direct result of stocks being dumped. Whether the company is dumping them OR running the business model in the ground causing longs and even new flippers to dump and admitt it,,, like it or not it 100% should fall directly on Howard as CEO .
Sorry its ending this way. Wish you the best... I still believe it didnt have to go down this way if a letter of demand many months ago to address shareholders had been sent to HOWARD.
His response couldnt have been worse .A plain no IMO is better than absolute silence . This phone call here and there to certain ones is a pathetic way to run a PUBLIC company.
The rollback still not with DelSOS, the 504 placement to me are not red flags,, the are sticks of dynamite.
Take care GLTU
Im sure there are many like yourself that dont care about this.
But IMHO it shows obviously Howard is way out of touch with many investors as to what their concerns are in regards to this subject when 9 months later he has the chance to set up new Articles of INC in Jan. without any connection to past fraudulent business and its key player,,, but he chooses to go this route.
Dont have to be classified as MGT. to have serious control over a companies success or failure..
With all respect for anyones post i do believe this has been the reason the type investors PHAR needs to survive are not attracted to PHAR. Otherwise, what is it? The board doesnt have the funds to support whats needed for getting funding , so yes we all should be concerned about what the facts are.
GLTU
I appreciate your response. IMO any posting are valuable in some way if we all respect each others situation.
Good luck to you Zehner189 DD is never ending
With respect Zehner189. With an alias born a few days ago and 5 posts i dont see how you can claim to have such great research on this company. Many here have lost thousands of dollars and might not be in a position to as you say stop the BS and sell and quit posting.
Sure you got in dirt cheap so you really got in on the backs of a lot of hardworking people that have lost their a-s.
Just if you would in what you have seen from .05 a few months ago to . 002 a few days ago, with absolutely no prs to come out that should have caused this, why do you think this happened?
Just curious as to your thoughts as to this tanking. Boards as you know have minimul impact negative or positive on PPS on PHAR Thats been proven.
GLT
ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION:::
Look at EHOW.COMs Definition of Incorporator= good info on key role in validity and truthfullness of filing and the key role of such individual
Pharmstar's incorporator is Roger A. Crabb
Name rang a bell from many years ago. Dennis McLaughlin used him many times in some of his 29companies to set up bylaws and articles of Inc.
Go to Corporation wiki =Theseus Power Co, INC, Apollo Eurasia Inc and other and you will find Dennis Mc at the helm with Roger Crabb as incorporator/registered agent.
Not so with Blue Wireless Data or previous shell. Should have been no reason to change anything.
So why, what possible justification can anyone give to use this lawyer out of Dallas Tex. with these ties here in Jan 2012 with the new and revised Articles of Incorporation. Millions of choices , but HOWARD chooses a legal team from CALIFORNIA and an Incorporator from Texas to handle critical areas after 9 months of being made aware of the toxicitity of any association with the owners and their past fraudulent dealings.
You have to ask, even with an ounce of intellegence,, whats the advantage to this. Or who is making these decisions and how are they able to.
No lashing out for asking... just help in the justification.
There were 2 active one page documents filed on 7/25 /2011 in Nev corp. Also showing 50 million shares. Just not normal private company terminology.
All filed by HOWARD .
You know Snizzle im not speaking of the shareholding part. That is a part of shell buyouts.
Im speaking of inside operational duties of any,, and if and how share structure with this old shell and its history of fraud partners has and or is influencing the demize of PHAR.
Anyone has a right to inquire of this due to the adamant claims in the beginning from the CEO. Was this just being said just to get investors?
Just for sake of making a point. Put CC out of the mix on this fact..
If CC hadnt ended up at PHAR he would never met this group you speak of. If HOWARD had been a man of his word none of this group would have been there for CC to either meet or found out things that caused him alarm.
I have several emails in March from HOWARD stating emphatically 100% no one that was involved in any way with BMG- will be a part of his company. He obviously new their reputation and has allowed and still allowing.
Again putting CC out of mix whats the reason 9months later this is such an issue. Do you think HOWARD lied in beginning or just oblivious to doing background checks,
GLTU
Got it . Sent post prior to reading
Surfguy,, that is an absolute fact.
CC i am ashamed of you for what you just did to the PHAR board.
I asked you NOT to post the picture i sent of me and my girlfriend.
Now im in BIG trouble. Take care and a very good post IMO. I do read between whats hard to say and whats hard not to say, especially gambling on the outcome of "what and how" others will recieve our messages. IMO especially difficult when everybody pretty much has a long distance relationship that is difficult in itself.
Add to that the volitle world of pinks with the plain and simple fact of some have way way more experience than others in the pinks and red flag research, it creates such a huge division in the board results. Here is where IMO has been the biggest let down as far as leadership exhibited thus far,as it will not bode well for PHAR. The easiest part should have been accomplished. Very challenging times ahead . I say this not that i do not wish it the best...
I as i sent Bucks i truly appreciate facts and truth about any company i invest in. Ive got several of my kids that can see the good which should stand out like a sore thumb and easily research for me....What has to be done IMO for my satisfaction to begin more of a pump up the positives role, is eliminate OBVIOUS red flags. Takes a wide open mind, listen to all and trust nobody without DD that goes deeper than the norm.. In pinks i truly understand that you never really know all.
However dont chat with you much, i had noticed you had not went to other boards, and that you frequent many Christian sites, so i always look beyond my immediate reaction to any situation as i usually end up being wrong. Ive tried and ive failed miserably to encourage HOWARD TO STAND UP to concerns on the board,,, at least you have had some who listened,, like it or not.
GLTU and family
Bucks,,,aweful aweful news for me personally and i know for board.
5STRINGDRIVE used a word that rings well with me and thats Voice of Reason.
Impossible to replace . Didnt know if you were 2ft tall or 10ft, 10yrs old or 100, from early on in our DD and sharing and debating had convinced me you were going to be a true friend. But IMO when you are open, honest and you give as much attention to every side of a story, we all can benefit and comeout ahead.
I hope you the best and hope that you continue to allow me to chat with you from time to time.
Ive said it before, knowledge is the greatest thing we can share to get the board to stand out from regular pinks. All is right usually means something is wrong. It has been exhausting for me to see PHAR sink into silence and allow the past 5months to unfold as it has.
Maybe we can slip in a little off topic college football at times.
Good luck my friend
Great find dnizzle6... Is this in an ACTIVE status?
Would appreciate your take on this.
How did you stumble accross this? Couldnt find it in annuals.
GLTU
With respect, i just cant put the breadbag example into play knowing ive invested several thousand dollars in a PUBLIC company that i hope is putting out an exempalary example of a product and presenting that first impression to the potiential buyers of this product. A lot is riding on this first reaction with funding at such a premium.
As far as you or i having any negative side effects or not being to keen on this sample procedure HOWARD is using, to be honest,, means nothing to me. Me,you and IHUB posters will not be buying product. Its going to take large qty buyers with distributors before we can buy the product.
Its not you or i im hoping for him pleasing enough that we are satisfied with whatever method he uses. Its putting the best product into the best presentation of that product when you go out and try to peddle the product to Docs, MED Facilities, retail etc. that are groomed proffessionals in the Pharmaceutical industry.
GLTU
Hopefully we. can aggree to disaggree and leave it there.
It is definetly NOT a common practice in the PHARMACEUTICAL FIELD.
JMHO
Since you brought up TJ/IR out at PHAR a few weeks ago you spoke of new IR in to complete loose ends for rollback,etc. being filed with SOS.That filings was somewhat delayed for that reason.
I spoke with IR yesterday at length and its the receptionist. She handles all IR. Were you speaking of this or do you have knowledge of a firm in place as you spoke of several weeks ago.
Appreciate you reply
GLTU
I see a huge problem of possible liability in the process of recieving a product, opening mixing in other ingrediants, pasting a label over package and sending out samples.
I do .You dont. Thats what makes the IHUB format good.For all opinions.We both are equally entitled to them.
If Howard goes on this product presentation tour and gives out samples hopefully they wont start peeling the label off and see another company logo and jump to conclusions without getting full explanation from HOWARD.
This is his first impression with his product that he has worked on for 17yrs.
GLTU
No Cent$ I concur with that. Sure hope that is the case.
Probably just for DD would be interesting to get info off of underlying pack of that Company, and do some good DD if this is questionable to me.
Just seems if Howard commissioned this from a lab for sample usage he could have supplied his packaging, obviously same size packaging for PHAR to just put outer label over.
Without researching i dont know if this was purchased from a company that produces this product for retail, OR as you say lab commissioned by Howard and PHAR that follows the strictist of guid elines.
Will dig deeper to satisfy my own curiosity.
Thanks for your reply.
GLTU
MakersMarker, understandable logic but if these samples have the slightest bit of contamination from a 3rd party product,not ingrediants themselves, but contaminants from foriegn material from a facility not conforming to FDA regs,,,,does that not put HOWARD and very vulnerable to lawsuits.
IMO just dangerous practice. God forbid someone kill over from consuming a sample pack that has a foriegn contaminant un beknowing to HOWARD...He would not have a leg to stand on with the right lawyer representing a victim.
If this is going to be a reputable Pharmaceutical player, this activity whether its saving money is for the likes of someone working out of a garage.
Thanks in advance for your reply
GLTU
MRPERFECT, i believe in complimenting anyone for a post that is realistic and factual...
Well said, well put, and so very true.
Hope all will read this and take it as factual in as the regulations needed in producing drugs in this industry.
You are as well very very gracious in your timeline of how far out rollout and eventual revenue gets pushed with these required functions not up and going and being validated now.
GLTU
SAY WHAT?? I sure have tried to bring to light things that need addressing that could have, would have ,should have stopped this.
IMO rollback if done as PRd and with DEL sos shortly after this might not have moved a lot higher in early Oct but i dont think we would be near triple 000.
quote from rollback pr from HOWARD Oct 17th." The warrent structure highly incentivises me to lead the Company to a SP of .25... This is CEO TO REUTERS and market wire.
I keep stressing not negatively id be happy just following through to keep it from triple zeros .. The hel- with .25 .
GLTU
That justIMO not a good stance for to be ok. OTC listing on PHARMSTAR PHARMACEUTICALS HAS THEM AT 18 employees.
What do they do?
To get FDA clearance every single piece of equipment has to be up and running product and validated before a single piece of product can leave PHAR without violations.
Cant be ok things are not very busy at PHAR with a 2nd QTR/early 3rd qtr projection on rollout and millions raised thus far.
GLTU
Does the FDA know this? They havent passed all needed claims testing as of yet.. Would take 2yrs minimum as of today to get into Walmart or any big chain. The liability insurance needed to be carried is in multiple millions.
It takes filings on DUNN and BRADSTREET with 2yrs financials as well.
The quality assurance programs alone Walmart requires are strict and costly as well..
I truly think your Walmart pharmacist got that way way wrong.
GLTU
Thanks MakersMarker,, appreciate your going the extra mile.. I have a lot of headaches and take Goodys and they always work fast but im sure they are eating a hole in my stomach.
Will you be posting pics of what youve witnessed. To go along with external pics of the plant it would be great to have work in progress with employees on the inside to put this on IHUB page for all to see and for us to direct peoples attention to when they are new and thinking of investing and looking for current research material for DD . In a day or two most of our important post get lost on the board with such a volume coming in.
GLTU and thanks for extra effort
I wish you the best dnizzle6. And thats a fact. Might be my shortest post ever.
IM hoping my post at least had some points if i had this incorrect. Apologize if i do. Dont know about CC deal . I was under the impression he didnt work for PHAR, as PHAR always said TJ did not directly, just his IR firm hired. Thought he worked with TJ. And i can promise you , and i have no motive for lying, TJ told me anything i baited him to tell me. Believe i knew exactly what to ask due to my prior experience. He lied so many times i cant begin to count. If it was an aggreementwith HE and CC , its IMO like wet toilet paper,, means nothing.
Either way IMO is the furtherest thing a CEO should be doing is openly doing this kind of infighting in this manner.
I try my very best to be someone that God is pleased with and no matter what the situation anyone finds themself in i wish nothing bad for them. None of us know the real details of this situation and it is being used to divert attention away from the real issues at hand HOWARD needs to be addressing to shareholders.
Im not taking up for CC at all ,he has zero control over my statements, but as with anyone i listen, i read, but my thorough DD will accept or deny what is said. But i know enough about legalities, in his case, if i where him based on todays threats and many on the board salavating at an opportunity to see him punished,, I would file a counter on HOWARD for defamation of character if termination was caused by maybe some knowledge of wrongdoing. Thats just me.
Its destructive what we are doing, and for me stomping on someone at this point does nothing for PHAR.
With respect to you and in response to Snizzle, carefully re- read as i have your post.Please do this for me.
If anyone has and is exposing themself as careless, unethical, violating clear SEC regulations about what you can talk about,, litigation and forward thinking statements coming directly from CEO. ITS HOWARD. A disgruntled shareholder/EMPLOYEE THAT HAS NO CONFIDENTUALITY AGGREEMENT IS JUST A MESS AND THATS ALL. Should be the least of HOWARDS problem and addressing ISSUES of this nature through this type emails that many on board are feeling ok to share he is setting himself up to loose his last shot after 17yrs to get this off the ground. HE HAS THE REAL CHANCE OF LOOSING IN MANY WAYS, THREATS OPENLY TO SHAREHOLDERS/EMPLOYEES STEVE,, JUST IMO SHOWS FURTHER THE LACK OF LEADERSHIP AND BEING A LOOSE CANNON....I DONT WANT TO FEEL THIS WAY,,, HOWARD AND POSTS LIKE THIS ARE MAKING ME FEEL THIS WAY. I BASE MY DD IN MY BRAIN FOR FILTERING GOOD AND BAD, NO ONE JUST TELLS ME WHAT THEY KNOW GOOD OR BAD AND I RISK MY HARD EARNED MONEY ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH OR NOT.
Getting him to come forward and addressing shareholders with FACTS as he says he has in your emails and the glowing furure spoken of, should be know problem.. If emails are being posted by him directly responding on the board through a caller, he obviously knows the seriousness of issues for shareholders.
Dangerous, dangerous position HOWARD is putting himself in.
As far as his legal counsel, GO TO OTC PAGE LOOK UP EVOLUTION FUELS, NOTICE OTC WARNING, STOCK STILL TRADING 1M SHARES A DAY TIMES,,, JOSEPH PITTERA THE ATT. FROM WAY BACK OF A KNOWN SCAM ARTIST THAT HIS BEEN INVOLVED IN MANY FRAUD CASES...
Look original BMG- and with SAME leadership here they have JOSEPH PITTERA AS ATT. BMG- AS BAD AS EVF- IN THE NOTHING BUT AN OBVIOUS SCAM CATEGORY.
PHAR HAS PUT THIS SAME ATT. IN CHARGE FOR LEGAL ADVISE AND LEGAL ISSUES.. INCOMPREHENSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND. READ CAREFULLY HIS STATEMENTS ON EVF- AND THAT SCAM COMPANY WITH HIM and McLaughlin trying to do the same uplisting as evf- did. Same pattern ,will be same result... TRYING TO GET UPLISTED TO SCREW ANOTHER SET OF INVESTORS. TOTAL INNACURATE and sickening for those that new the real EVF-
IMO thats were HOWARDS leadership as CEO has to be in serious question when this happens and is happening. TJ was horrible but he was like a lil mouse compared to issues at hand.
I respect your post and hope you will understand my one and only reason for posting. And its not for PHAR to fail. He is toting a lot of my money,but until truth comes out from the CEO into the public domain about the status of the Company,,,,any comment posted on the board from anyone is like peeing in the ocean as far as having any PPS movement impact. FAR DEEPER ISSUE .THATS THE REASON NO PR WORKS, NO MATTER WHAT IS SAID.
GLTU
GLTU
I just have to say MRPERFECT how much i support what your saying. I begged so long for this.So many times asking just come forward, if it wasnt happening on his own, firmly but politely ask for a CC. It IMO did not have to go this far down.
Im not sure im speaking for you ,but for me its not so much i want him to give exact details so i can make an immediate decision to change my position, up, down or out its coming forward as CEO leader of this company and letting us know he has control of the ship.Panic ruins any hope of working things out with a plan for recovery in place. What happens, in silence, for every investor gained, you got another bailing out.
He has a moral, fiduciary resposibility as well,, but even beyond that ,as you say its that initial example of leadership is what he needs to exemplify in times where there is attacks coming in and obvious serious problems now.
The frog example, its just the truth and even though it is comical in nature and not sugar coated, its speaks volumes. IMo
Great posting