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"Reduces Incidences of nosocomial infections" At the 1:34 mark it says it reduces incidences of infection. That is something they never said before - is that claim the result of new recent testing?
We've been saying that for a year now. Management has been incredible in getting this product developed, but sorely deficient in marketing or understanding what investors want to see.
>> why would they affiliate and dilute-waste money with that? turns me off
Thanks Gelati - Can you give us some feeling about the show in terms of traffic at the booth, was there an excitement about Medizone as compared to other booths etc..
Thanks
Hopefully Eversull is up to the task. He wanted pr's to work with - he has them now.
At this point I think a real pr firm will pay for itself in no time - not just in share price, but would also help with sales.
>Wait till the main stream media starts doing pieces on this company!
I'm hoping they can get a quote from Purdue into the real pr. Not only would it add significant prestige, but it would be a third party validation of the technology.
BenK - Information for potential investors is also very important.
I am happy that I was correct as far as timing release of news to coincide with the show. Hard to even imagine what is going to happen now with Bed bugs on board.
>> Perhaps it would be prudent to keep in mind that management's goal is not to please the message-board addicts, it's to give the real information to their potential customers
Incredible!!I only wish they could have had a quote from Purdue on the testing. Would have added to the credibility.
NSD - The video is still in testing. As you know with an R&D company these things take time. Hopefully by 2012 they will have it done.
Machine was delivered to Purdue just about 2 months ago. Interested in an update 2 months later does not constitute "every day".
>> You guys that post you want to here something every day
BenK - How does going to FIME jive with a soft launch? What exactly is this big count-down? According to what they have said in the past they should already have enough interested parties for testing. Why spend all that money and time marketing if you aren't going to sell it? If 10 companies are interested in buying are they going to say "Sorry - we need to do more testing" ?
I still don't understand why hospital testing hasn't started PhaseII. What is the delay?
Ed clearly stated 2-3 hospitals
"employ AsepticSure in two or three of their hospitals, and be able to verify a reduction in HAIs of 20% or 30%,"
we have no way of knowing what the relationship between a killing rate of 99.99999 and rate of reducing HAI's. That is why I am anxiously waiting for the next phaase of testing to begin.
>> EM was speaking of a generall reduction of HAI´s in all hospitals of 20-30% nationwide... but at a 99.99999 killing rate in each unit cleaned up by asepticsure - that is a big difference
They lowered the infection rate by 82%, not the contaminants. Asepticsure currently has no data on that. ED mentioned on the cc a 20-30% reduction in HAI's.
>> Consider for a moment, should a major hospital operating company in the United States, such as a Kaiser Permanente, employ AsepticSure in two or three of their hospitals, and be able to verify a reduction in HAIs of 20% or 30%, perhaps more
>> easy answer: 82% is much less than 99.99999%
Has anyone done any research into this company? Advantages and diadvantages over Asepticsure?
>>Xenex system was shown to reduce a hospital’s C.diff infection rate by 82 %.
As I said my optimistic side is hoping they have, but why would they wait so many weeks to announce something. My realistic side is saying they have not closed anything. Considering they now have a production-type machine and so much claimed interest what is the delay? Where are all the people that came to them asking for them to test specific applications? Where are all the hospital people who anecdotally have been so enthusiastic?
So that begs the question - why haven't they been able to close any deals as of yet? My optimistic side tells me that sometimes companies time "news" to be released during these kind of shows.
>>The buzz in medical science circles around AsepticSure™’s potential contribution to global infection control, both in and out of the hospital and broader healthcare environment, is “contagious” to say the least!
No Hospital testing planned :(
According to Mr. Eversull there are no plans to continue hospital testing unless a large chain required it. Very disappointing - not sure how we are going to sell this if we can't prove a reduction in HAI's.
He also said that bed bugs and other applications will come AFTER hospital sales, another change from what Ed had previously thought - where other markets would develop sooner than hospital sales.
WhoDiz - Can you confirm this is taking place? We have never heard that they started this testing. The last thing I recall hearing is that they were waiting for a production machine. Since they sent one to Purdue they should have one available for this testing. Do they only have one machine - if yes has bb testing taken precedence over hospital testing?
>>Lets also not forget ongoing research to identify an actual reduction of HIAs that started months ago.
I hope this will help Eversull get us some mainstream publicity!
His public presentation was limited to 3 minutes. I have no idea what went on behind the scenes at the conference. That wouldn't be reported in any press, but could yield much more going forward.
http://www.icpic2011.com/images/stories/ICPIC_2011_detailed_programme.pdf
Very disappointing. The most exciting news going on in MedizoneLand is that our landlord posted a nice "article" about Asepticsure? That's worthy of a Chairman's message?
BenK - I don't think the nefarious motives of a poster should therefore cause us to automatically write off any concern that he brings up. Our potential partners are going to have plenty(billions of $'s) of motives to look at this very critically.
There are plenty of products brought to market that aren't practical - I've even purchased some of them :) No one starts out planning on creating a unsellable product, but it happens often enough - closeout stores are full of such products. I imagine they didn't initially plan on having to use fans, but they didn't get the rate high enough without them so they improvised.
I was initially skeptical when they announced the hospital testing was done using "planted" test items; according to everything we know there should be more than enough germs around a typical hospital room to test without having to introduce more.
I am a bit troubled by the fact that the fabric was "vertically suspended" - not a very practical way to clean carpet:( - that being said I don't assume too many hospital rooms have carpet.
Yes - My question wasn't answered. It was a scripted call with no chance to ask follow-up questions. Why are they so scared to answer legitimate concerns?
>> Anybody else ask specific ?'s like these and didn't get an answer?
BenK - re timing of news on bed bug testing. Is this your conjecture or have you heard from the company that the Purdue testing is nearly completed?
I’m not sure I understand the excitement or anticipation that FIME is generating. My experience from attending large trade shows on both sides of the booth, albeit in a different industry, is that it is difficult for an unknown company to stand out. There are over 1,000 companies that are going to be showing and I doubt that Medizone’s budget allows for it to have a large or eye-catching booth. The other way to generate publicity is if Medizone was one the featured speakers at one of the conferences. As of now they don’t appear to be scheduled to speak, unless there is a sudden surge of interest in the interim, which the WHO presentation or some large order might generate. Of course if major developments happen before August FIME can help spread the word, but I don’t see it being the vehicle, in of itself, to greater publicity.
Asepticsure hasn't yet been proven to reduce even one infection. The "holy grail" as Ed put it and we haven't even begun this kind of testing. I've never gotten as answer as to how they are going to actually sterilize a whole area of a hospital, with people constantly coming in and out. I don't think the doctors and nurses would appreciate being Asepticsured :)
I'm optimistic that they will answer these questions, otherwise why did they offer the chance to ask.
The perceived tone of WIV questions shouldn't detract from the fact that these are some of the fundamental issues that management needs to address.
The reason is because communication to the general public from the company is quite poor, yet certain individuals seem to know a lot about what is going on. I see nothing wrong, as an investor, trying to get as much information about my "investment" as possible.
>> I don't understand the why's of demanding every tidbit of information anyone can suck out of regular posters on here.
Bee - What new applications have emerged since last December when Waterdog said we were weeks away? I understand that the bio-terrorism angle delayed the time-frame through the first half of 2010, but was has happened since the beginning of this year that caused Waterdog's assurances of great things first quarter to be delayed? Ed had mentioned that he expected Gov't news by the end of the 2010 - that obviously hasn't happened - is there a new time frame?
>>As for his earlier predictions, IMO, so much has opened up since he made those statements that the arena changed entirely, ie. so many new applications, and much more to develop.
BenK - Perhaps he's interested to know what happened to all the things waterdog assured us would happen in the first quarter?
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>>There'll be one in the first quarter for sure. Between now and then there will be MUCH new news to report and everything we've hoped to accomplish since January 2010 will be in the rear view mirror. AGM's are very time consuming as well as expensive and Ed just didn't want to lose a month or more of normal business stuff to do one before the end of the year. Currently, we are dotting I's and crossing T's and covering all bases. The sky is the limit.
Not sure what you want to hear, but the criticism has always been about lack of a publicized commercial plan and lack of professionalism regarding communications etc., not the progression of the science.
I don't see how todays announcement of already known news does anything to prove those naysayers wrong. Even if the stock would close tomorrow above $1.00 it doesn't prove that the full potential of this stock wouldn't be better realized by implementating some of their suggestions.
Benk - There is no need for him to convince you. It is obvious that thousands of potential investors (money tv, Canadian hospital workers) who know about Medizone but haven't invested, agree with him.
Current management has made numerous missteps that make it very difficult to attract the 'real" investors that we need to make this company as valuable as it should be. Their failure to communicate effectively, their association with penny stock hypesters(eversull, pentony of stockguru fame) have all contributed to the dismal stock price. These are all Ed's responsibilities as a CEO. You suggest that Ed was pressured into bad decisions by impatient shareholders. A true LEADER isn't pressured by outside factors - he does what is necessary to be successful.
As far as bringing in proven leaders, if Ed has such great experienced help in the background why haven't they prevented him from making so many mistakes in these areas?
I think even you agree that we need better day-today management. Considering the current situation and what is at stake isn't it better to bring someone in 6 months too early than 6 months too late?
Thank You!!! I feel much better now, but it would obviously help our cause if our PR guy did some clearer, more effective communication. Did he clarify if the electronic testing that was needed has been completed?
Thanks - Please let us know what the response is. I'd love to know if they expect the testing to be completed in time for the show.
Can you send this exchange that I had with Eversull to Ed? You seem to have a better line of communicaiton with him.
I tried that last June with similar questions regarding testing and never got a response. Maybe I will forward Eversulls's e-mail and ask them to confirm.
So you are ok with the fact that they aren't planning on doing the data testing that is needed to prove thier marketing plan?
I received a very disheartening email from Eversull.
The marketing premise of Asepticsure is that it can reduce HAI's thereby saving hospitals significant dollars. In his Nov. 22 2010 message Ed said that after some additional testing to verify the safety to electronics they woudl commence Phase 2 hospital testing to verify that it does indeed reduce HAI's. Having heard no infomation regarding this testing I sent the following to Eversull:
1. In the November Chairmans message it was mentiobned
that additional testing on electronics was taking place
before more hospital testing would commence. Can you update
me on the status of those tests.
2. When is hospital testing going to continue?
3. how long do they think this phase of the testing
will take?
His response:
I don't believe that they are going
to have to do additional testing. The beta test completed
recently is all that is needed and they have completed the
design of the Asepticsure and planning to start
manufacturing and marketing with added staff based at the
new headquarters facility . They seem focused on the medical
journal peer review article and attending and presenting at
medical conferences.
My follow-up question:
Do I understand correctly that they did more beta testing at a hospital and proved that they lowered the incidence of HAI's as per the Chairmans message dated 11/22/2010?
His response:
They are going to start manufacturing and selling product
So if I understand him correctly it sounds that they are planning to try to sell Asepticsure without ever proving that it works as claimed. I find it hard to believe that they will convince hospitals to spend $100,000 on an unproven machine.
Extremely disappointing! It also points to the fact that having Chairman's messages doesn't help if they aren't supplying important information. If they indeed changed their plan as far as hospital testing I would think that should have been deemed important to let us know.
Benk - Do you expect that by the FIME show they will have concluded hospital testing that shows that Asepticsure reduces HAI's?
In the November message Ed mentioned that that is what they are going to try to prove in the next phase. We haven't heard that they have started those tests and it would seem that it would take up to 6 months to get some conclusive numbers that shows that it does indeed reduce the incidences of HAI's. Absence of that proof, it is going to be a tough sell.
He also mentioned that the hospital market would probably commercialize after the terrorism, food and clean room markets. Has that outlook changed?
Unfortunately I don’t think Ed will ever hire an investment bank. Though he seems to be a very morally principled man his thinking can’t help but be tainted by his personal feelings. Experience has shown how self-interest distorts even great peoples ability to think/decide correctly.
He must know that the first thing they will say to him” You did a great job persevering and bring the company to this point, but if you want this company to truly succeed it is now necessary for you to bring in a seasoned officer. Someone with experience, who can capitalize on this great opportunity that you’ve created by your vision, hard work and self-sacrifice over the past 15 years”.
I don’t think he is ready to let go of his “baby”. I’m not blaming him, I might act the same way, but unfortunately I think it is holding the company back from being valued at what it rightly should be.
Benk - Thanks for the update. I think if we want to be taken seriously as a company we need to have regularly scheduled shareholder meetings and "earnings" conference calls. It quite obvious from the lack of share volume over the past 6 months that no one, except a few devoted shareholders(of which I am one)have confidence in this company.
I am happy to hear that they are being kept busy by all the things going on, but they also have a responsibility to shareholders to support the share price; they are obviously failing miserably on that account. Perhaps it's time they re-evaluated their approach and try something new.