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Yazzoo. After broker fees, taxes, etc., exactly how much profit is in that $50 trade? LOL That's some trading, THRA is cooking now. Wow!! More like already cooked and burnt, and some poor soul forgot to bring their fork.
New charges to be taking effect on stocks like CRWV.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=71892081
There is always a lot of talk about how the DTCC Chill has no effect, CRWV can still be easily traded, it's just a scare, and on and on. The FACTS are quite different of course for the DTC list that CRWV has put themselves on. The company put themselves on this list, got restricted by doing dubious and irregular business and market activities. There is nothing positive about the actions by a company who don't follow all the regulatory and accounting guidelines, act irresponsibly, do not conduct good business practices, and who then find themselves restricted by the DTC.
Now anyone can easily put together the list on a myriad of trading platforms and/or programs. Easily have rows of lines full of data with PPS, daily volumes, average volume, etc, etc. and easily sort to see whatever data one desires for this list. A little bit of time, but not that much and might save a lot of headaches later.
The best place to get all that is on the DTC list that includes CRWV is here:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=71657510
These stats that are easily followed with all the companies that now include CRWV are easily proven. Over half have gone to ZERO volume (so any statements or ideas of "trade them all" is completely false), and only maybe about twenty out of a few hundred can get over a 10 million a day volume. This is FACT. CRWV fell from that list of over 10 million shares traded today and the list was only 14 of the stocks out of a few hundred on the DTC list made it. Again CRWV wasn't one of them. There is only a couple of pinks that have EVER got back to full DTC services out of years and hundreds of restricted stocks. So the odds of CRWV getting this problem quickly taken care of are pretty much nil (no matter what the company or promoters want the market to believe).
Now what does liquidity have to do with it? Just the AS, OS, float, not being a trip yet, is all that matters right? WRONG. The regular trader joe/jane has to be able to sell enough stock to make a profit and have enough action in order to do it. And one more gigantic problem is coming down the pike. One never knows when a particular stock gets "chilled" by a particular broker and there will be other brokers following the Penson procedures for illiquid DTC chilled stocks. And everyone needs to know these procedures, because it is not if, but when, and some brokers will be sooner than others.
The lack of liquidity on the DTC list is just going to cost big time to anyone who gets stuck in them. A great video, notice, and some good ways to just do some number crunching (in other words, REAL FACTS) of where CRWV is going to end up sooner or later, whether there is a little run or no run. No scare tactic, it's just the way it is and will be getting worse.
Video of new charges for illiquid stocks
Good info BB and welcome to the board as part of the Mod team.
It definitely helps if investors and traders actually read and at least comprehend some of the basics of the "short" BS. It just isn't feasible with the $2.50 a share requirement and these sub pinkies. It doesn't make sense for the most part and it just doesn't happen to any extent at all. And it sure isn't happening with CRWV. But it doesn't stop promoters from trying to convince the public of these pinks like CRWV that it's all the "shorts" fault.
When the company is going in the dumper, getting restricted with the DTC, and having insiders rake in profits from the practically free shares, it's CRWV's fault, not the brokers, MM's, or "shorts".
When there is such a heavy and widespread Lock and most brokers aren't dealing with it, it's hard to get any interest. It's a trip 1 stock that the majority can't trade and teeters on the NO BID. The question is; what for?
Oh, they were supposed to be in oil with the big PR of 25% "working interest" wells last year when the big pump of BNPD, BNPDD was going to be toxm and Gouger was going into this pinky shell. Now it's going to be tomi. In that PR it stated over exaggerated claims of so many bbs per day. It was all a lie. It just turned out to be some old dead wells that Gouger had for years and nothing has turned out and no profitable oil has come out of them to this day. Gouger still has violations on them in fact. Great "interest" for shareholders.
He's been given a good $200,000 share quantity for being part of the management of MXXH, and has promised to supposedly drilling a well additionally paid being the operating company over there. Those shareholders sit a year later and no well, no activity, no income, no financial statements, just empty PR promises.
But he's "entertaining" over here again. No oil, but the BS never ends. LOL
Of course, SEC or federal investigations can last for years without them becoming "publicly known". That's just the way they work. By the time they are public, usually the scam is long done already. If complaints have been made with the SEC rule violations, I would not feel safe in thinking there were no investigations going on.
Oh boy more news -- Gouger is "entertaining" again. That's got be real exciting. LOL Just need to disclose all the pertinent information, but that won't be Gouger's style. In fact, I would expect it to be hidden as much as he can, that way the BS can go farther. Before more "entertainment" the company might want to take care of and maintain the last BS oil wells, sure didn't come out like the old PR stated on those. I mean how many times can one go to a dry well? LOL
Just limiting any liability I presume. If anyone complains, they just have to point and say "we told you so". LOL
There seems to be a mixing of trading on PR's and some short term MOMO and investing in the fundamentals of the company itself. Two different animals. There is nothing available as far as financial records for about 5 years and no proof of any income, capitol or operations. It's been stated that when the Sanger Heirs Site is drilled then the financials will come out. That is no excuse why MXXH has quit filing financials to this point and disclosed any and all debt and issuance of shares.
These pinks go from one business to another and one has to look at all the RS's, toxic debt conversions, preferred shares, etc. Those come along with the shell no matter what business is tied to it. In the pinks, a dirty pink is always a dirty pink and just one problem after another follow with it. Trading on PR's and short term MOMO, then it doesn't matter. Of course one can always have hope that something will happen here, but who knows if or when. There is no income, no capitol, no operations, no cash to carry out operations for there is nothing but fluff PR's and those are totally unreliable.
But the year 2005 was mentioned and it is interesting to know the history up to that point when it wasn't even this business and a company called Vinoble and up to the point of Catherine Thompson. I don't want to get into "that was then and this is now" type of thing (because there is nothing to base the now on other than PR's and a few 8K's)and it's just info to read if one wants but does show the type of thing that is constantly done and even Gouger's $200,000 share transaction is not the first.
VINOBLE, INC. (OTCBB: VNBL) - TRICK OR TREAT IN THIS TREASURE CHEST?
Investigative Reports
October 23 2005
The allure of "treasure" has fascinated explorers, poets, pirates, and yes, investors. Admit it. We all are intrigued by the prospect of a valuable discovery. But value can be in the eye of the beholder - or to put it in a seasonal context, we do not always know whether we are getting a trick or a treat.
We offer these thoughts after receiving a series of spam e-mails purporting to profile a tiny company called Vinoble, Inc. (Pink Sheets: VNBL). Of course, as generally is the case with such e-mails, the profile came from an anonymous promoter who placed a decidedly positive, unbalanced spin on Vinoble's prospects.
The e-mails claim that Vinoble is involved in "the Red Hot homeland security sector…and the Oil/Energy Industry" – a combination of code words that are red meat to investors these days. That succinct description, however, does not accurately or fully describe the current state of the Company's operations. Nor does it convey the dire state of the Company's finances. Vinoble, which has no revenues, had $38 in its bank account at the end of June 2005, and losses of more than $9.3 million in the first six months of 2005.
Still, the promoter – who failed to mention Vinoble's shaky financial state - called the Company a "small treasure." Small, certainly, but the value of this treasure is questionable – except perhaps to the promoter, who was paid $10,000 to extol the Company's virtues.
We think investors are entitled to a more balanced view.
The Erly Bird Catches the Worm
Since becoming public in the 1980s, the company now called Vinoble has changed identities more often than Sydney Bristow. As Erly Industries, Inc., the Company was engaged in the manufacture and processing of rice for several decades. But Erly Industries fell on hard times and filed for protection under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code in September 1998. It emerged from bankruptcy in August 1998 and articulated a new business plan – to acquire operations, merge or begin its own start-up business.
In March 2000, the Company agreed to transfer control to Hudson Consulting Group, Inc., a subsidiary of Axia Group, Inc. Hudson Consulting, located in Salt Lake City, Utah, was controlled by an individual named Richard Surber, who became the Company's sole director in November 2000.
StockPatrol.com readers already are familiar with Richard Surber because of his activities as controlling shareholder of Dark Dynamite, Inc. (OTCBB: DRKD). See, Dark Dynamite, Inc. – Dancing in the Dark. Surber has long been a distinctive presence in the world of undercapitalized, obscure penny stock companies. On June 8, 2004, the Securities and Exchange Commission instituted an Administrative Proceeding seeking to suspend or revoke the registrations of fourteen small public companies associated with Surber because of their failure to file required public reports. Surber had been instrumental in registering six of the companies named in the Administrative Proceeding with the SEC, incorporated another, provided financial or merger consulting advice to six others, and allowed one company to use his office as its contact address.
The SEC's complaint in that proceeding described Surber as a shell company promoter whose "consulting business," consisted of taking private concerns public through reverse-mergers with public shell companies. According to the SEC, Surber acquired control of the shells, received cash fees ranging from $100,000 to $350,000, and was handed two or three percent stock ownership, in exchange for putting together the reverse-merger transaction.
In the case of Erly Industries, Surber's shareholdings (through his association with Hudson Consulting) were far more substantial. Other aspects of the transaction, however, were consistent with SEC's characterization of the traditional Surber deal – the reverse-merger of a public shell, in this case Erly Industries, with a private company. On January 24, 2001, Erly Industries merged with Torchmail Communications Inc., a Delaware corporation. The surviving public company, now called Torchmail Communications, remained under the control of Surber and his companies – Hudson Consulting and Wasatch Capital Corporation. According to Torchmail's Form 10-K for the year ended March 31, 2002, Surber was the beneficial owner of more than 78% of the Company's outstanding common shares.
Although it had a new name, the Company still did not have any business or business plan. That would change in October 2002, when the Company underwent another reverse-merger, this time with a Nevada corporation called Virtual Interviews, Inc. The surviving Company, which would soon be known as Ohana Enterprises, Inc., planned to provide human resources services on an outsourcing basis. According to its public reports, the Company's principal service would be the "Virtual Interview," designed to facilitate screening of potential job candidates
As part of the consideration for the acquisition, the former shareholders of Virtual Interviews purchased shares of Torchmail from Hudson Consulting. In an odd twist, the Company agreed to assume $200,000 of debt owed by the former Virtual Interviews shareholders to Hudson Consulting as payment for the shares. In other words, the Company was funding its own acquisition.
That was not the end of the story. In January 2003, the Company notified Hudson Consulting that it intended to offset the $200,000 payment because of misrepresentations made by Hudson Consulting in the Purchase Agreement. The litigation eventually was settled, with the Company agreeing to pay $117,000 to Surber's Hudson Consulting.
The dispute with Surber's company appears to have been the least of Ohana's problems. After the reverse-merger, Gerard Nolan, one of the former Visual Interviews shareholders, was named as CEO, President and director of Ohana. Less than one year later he was relieved of his responsibilities as a corporate officer, and soon resigned as a director. The Company subsequently sued Nolan, alleging breach of fiduciary duty, fraud, deceit and conversion. The action was settled, with Nolan agreeing to surrender 810,000 shares of Ohana common stock that had been issued to him and registered pursuant to a Registration Statement on Form S-8.
Ohana had another concern. It was out of money. As of June 30, 2003, the Company had no cash and no revenues. In October 2003, the Company was forced to suspend development of its Visual Interviews technology and all products.
Once again, Ohana was in search of a business.
April Fools and Other Follies
After Nolan departed, Catherine Thompson, who already was the Company's Chief Financial Officer, became its acting CEO as well, a position she continues to occupy today, having survived a series of transitory management changes. Her immediate mission seemed clear; find a business to acquire.
On April 1, 2004, the Company agreed to another reverse-merger, the acquisition of an entity called RestauranTech from Interactive Ideas Consulting Group, on terms that effectively transferred control to the incoming group. As part of that deal, Ohana appointed a new CEO and President, Brett Martin, and a Chief Operating Officer, Neal Weissman. The two men also were named to the Board of Directors, and each was given almost 4 million shares of Ohana common stock.
Although the Company insisted that this transaction was concluded only "after an extensive review and consideration of available opportunities," the deal suddenly went sour because of "certain differences in strategic direction for the organization and other issues." Less than two months later, on May 27, 2004, the transaction was cancelled and Martin and Weisman resigned as Directors – although they held on to their common stock (most of which was registered on a Form S-8 Registration Statement filed by the Company in June 2004).
That left the Company back at the starting gate, and doing what it seemed to do best – handing control to another new group. On September 14, 2004, the Company entered into a Stock Purchase Agreement with a Nevada corporation called GarcyCo Capital Corp. Under that agreement, Ohana agreed to issue at least 2 million shares of its common stock to GarcyCo Capital in exchange for $500,000 in cash, payable in installments. The number of shares issued to GarcyCo Capital could increase based upon the value of Ohana stock when each installment payment came due.
What was Garcyco Capital? Did it have a track record, and the resources to lift Ohana from its somnolent state? Although the Stock Purchase Agreement was dated September 14, 2004, the records of the Nevada Secretary of State indicate that GarcyCo Capital was incorporated one day later, on September 15, 2004. So much for the track record. But what about George Garcy, who signed the Stock Purchase Agreement as President of Garcyco? Again, the Nevada records offer more questions than answers. They indicate that Garcyco Capital has been in default since October 1, 2005, and identify Justin Moore of Las Vegas, Nevada as GarcyCo Capital's President and Secretary and Joseph Lively of New York City as its Treasurer. Mr. Garcy is not presently listed as an officer of the company that apparently bears his name. Lively later became CEO of Ohana – albeit only briefly.
On the other hand, Mr. Garcy is identified by the records of the Nevada Secretary of State as the sole officer of GarcyCo, a company that was formed on May 17, 2000, and whose corporate status was revoked on June 1, 2002.
With the introduction of GarcyCo Capital, the Company expressed hope that it was now poised to find a suitable acquisition candidate. Subsequent events suggest that while candidates have been plentiful, consummated acquisitions – and clear direction - are quite a different matter.
December 29 Is Time To Sign
All of the name and management changes had done nothing to materially improve the Company's financial picture following the bankruptcy. As of June 30, 2004, Ohana had no cash and no revenues. Three months later the Company had $8 in its bank account – and still had zero revenues.
The revenue picture could not improve until the Company developed or acquired an operating business. The Company's Form 10-K for the year ended June 30, 2004, which was filed on October 14, 2004, offered a glimmer of hope for the future. It claimed that the Company already was pursuing the first potential acquisition of its Garcyco Capital era. According to the Form 10-K, Ohana was evaluating the purchase of a "31 year old California business valued at approximately $10 million." Although the Company claimed that the California entity was a "leader in a niche market," it did not identify the target, the industry, or the terms of the transaction. It did offer a few clues, revealing that the due diligence process, which would take four or five months, would include "building inspections" and "inventory testing." Still, this was hardly enough information to satisfy even a marginally inquisitive investor.
Had the Company determined to enter a specific industry? Was there now a business plan in place? The Form 10-K provided no details and there is no sign the transaction was completed. A few days after the Form 10-K was filed, however, Ohana filed a Preliminary Form 14C Information Statement indicating plans to change its name to Vinoble, Inc to "better reflect…our new business purpose." What was that "business purpose?" The Information Statement, like the Form 10-K, did not say."
A Final Form 14C Information Statement was filed on October 28, 2004, changing the Company's name to Vinoble and implementing a one for five hundred reverse-split of the common shares.
The Company's new business plan appeared to take shape when it entered into a series of related agreements on December 29, 2004. A Form 8-K filed on January 4, 2005 revealed that Vinoble had entered a Memorandum of Understanding to acquire MSI, a security firm located in Stony Brook, New York. According to the Form 8-K, MSI had been in business for almost thirty years, providing uniform security guards and protective services to clients, including the Estee Lauder family. Vinoble stated that it would move the MSI operations to Baldwin, New York as part of an overall strategy to merge several businesses into a newly formed Nevada corporation to be called Secure Enterprise Solutions Physical Security Group, Inc. The Company promised that its new security business would operate from offices in New York, New Jersey, Florida, Toronto, and Las Vegas.
The Form 8-K also disclosed that MCI would share office space in Baldwin, New York with Millennium Protective Services, a "premier security guard service company" which possesses a "Class 2 Homeland Security Rating." Vinoble said that Millennium would become the managing agent for the contemplated SES guard service in the New York metropolitan area.
The Company did not enumerate the terms of the proposed MSI acquisition or the economic details of its relationship with Millennium. Instead, it devoted the balance of the Form 8-K to explaining its plan to capture a portion of the growing homeland security sector. Vinoble indicated that Secure Enterprise Solutions Physical Security Group would provide a variety of "information security services," including training, planning and awareness products.
In order to become "the 'most desired' provider of information security solutions," the Company intended to "rely heavily" upon a securities industry professional named Thomas Welch, "who had owned, managed and consulted for a number of high profile [Information Technology] companies." Indeed, the Company subsequently disclosed that it also had entered into non-binding agreements to acquire three companies owned by Mr. Welch - Secure Enterprise Solutions, Inc., WISE Learning Solutions, Inc. and Welch & Welch Investigations, Inc.
And, although the Form 8-K did not contain this information, the Company later disclosed that on December 29, 2004 it also entered into a non-binding agreement to acquire 21st Sentry Monitoring Systems, Inc., a provider of burglar and fire alarm monitoring services.
It was a busy December 29.
It did not take long for these plans to unravel. Vinoble's Form 10 Q for the quarter ended December 31, 2004 (filed on February 22, 2005) revealed that the Millennium relationship already was in its death throes. The Company stated that it had not entered into a definitive agreement with Millennium and did not anticipate doing so at the present time.
The Welch agreements soon disintegrated as well. According to the December 31, 2004 Form 10-Q, Mr. Welch was slated to become Vinoble's Chief Operating Officer on February 11, 2005. Mr. Welch subsequently had declined that appointment – for reasons that Vinoble did not explain – and plans for Vinoble to acquire his businesses were terminated.
Meanwhile, the MSI and Sentry transactions remain in limbo, with no sign that they are likely to be consummated. Although the Company claims that "discussions are ongoing," as of October 13, 2005, due diligence had not yet been completed and the parties still had not executed definitive agreements.
While these efforts to gain a foothold in the security industry were failing or stalling, Vinoble was solidifying its relationship with GarcyCo. Capital. On February 11, 2005 – the day Thomas Welch declined to become the Company's COO – Vinoble agreed to acquire "certain property and businesses" from GarcyCo Capital in consideration for 12.5 million shares of Vinoble's common stock, 100 shares of Vinoble's Series A Convertible Preferred Stock and 100 shares of Vinoble's Series B Preferred Stock. The Series A Convertible Preferred Stock provided GarcyCo Capital with effective control of Vinoble, since it could be converted into 50.1% of the Company's common stock, at the option of GarcyCo Capital.
The Company did not indicate what "property and businesses" it would acquire from GarcyCo Capital, although it stated that GarcyCo would forfeit a portion of the common stock (but none of the preferred shares) if GarcyCo failed to satisfy its obligations under the agreement within two years.
More Vinoble Pursuits
Despite its inability to complete any of the December 29 agreements, Vinoble seemed determined to become a player in the security industry. On April 23, 2005, the Company issued a press release announcing a plan to deploy Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) mobile location technology "for corporate, executive and personal safety." Vinoble said that it intended to deploy this technology to protect "high profile persons" from terrorism and kidnapping.
How would Vinoble, finance, develop or market the new technology. The Company still had no operating business and, as of March 31, 2005 it had $67 in cash. The April 23 press release did not address these issues. Despite Vinoble's seeming inability to implement these plans, investors responded to the April 23 announcement. On April 22, Vinoble common stock closed at 15 cents a share - 87,600 shares were traded that day. On April 25, the first trading day following the RFID announcement, the stock price hit 21 cents and over 1 million shares changed hands.
On April 29, 2005, Vinoble issued another press release relating to its RFID venture. This time the Company said it had agreed in principal to acquire certain RFID patents and technology which would allow it to track containers and cargo. Vinoble, which stated that it expected a definitive agreement within two weeks, did not identify the seller of the patents and technology or enumerate any terms of the transaction.
There is no indication that Vinoble finalized the agreement two weeks later, or at any time since. Still, the Company continued to contemplate an RFID venture. Vinoble no longer was talking about implanting chips in humans or tracking cargo; now it was contemplating utilizing the technology to protect mining assets. In a June 2005 press release Vinoble disclosed plans to use RFID technology to protect and track natural resources. As before, however, the Company did not indicate at the time - and has not yet stated - how it intended to implement or fund this venture.
The following month the Company offered another glimpse of its latest vision. On July 8, 2005, Vinoble announced that it had agreed to acquire controlling interest in the Hazard Lake Gold Mine in the Red Lake Mining District of Northwestern Ontario, Canada. The Company claimed that "a gold resource valued at nearly $8,000,000" in the ground, but conceded that further exploration would be needed to update this finding. The Company expressed its expectation that it now would be able to test RFID and Global Positioning Satellite (GPS) applications for the mining industry.
Once again, Vinoble did not disclose any details of the agreement or explain how the acquisition and operation would be financed. The Company also did not indicate how an entity with no operations, no money, one full-time member of its management team, and no experience either in the mining industry or with the implementation of RFID and GPS technology, would operate a mining concern or test new technologies. It promised further details when the deal closed, presumably in approximately ninety days.
One month later the Company offered a few further tidbits that might have titillated investors. An August 2, 2005 press release described the success of other mining operations in the Red Lake District implying, although not directly representing, that the Hazard Lake property might yield similar results. An August 12 press release reiterated this prospect of success by association, also reminding readers of the Company's plan to test RFID and GPS products in the mines.
Finally, on October 13, Vinoble announced that it had signed a definitive agreement to acquire the Hazard Lake property. Although the Company repeated its reference to the possibility of "a gold resource valued at $8,000,000 in the ground, and claimed that the new asset would increase shareholder value based upon current gold prices, the October 13 press release still failed to provide any material details of the agreement or the contemplated business.
Some additional details were included in the Company's Form 10-K for the year ended June 30, 2005, which disclosed that Vinoble had agreed to buy a 98% interest in the Hazard Lake property from Overseas Investment Banking Alliance, S.A., a Panamanian corporation, for $397,000 and 2 million shares of Vinoble common stock. The Company said that $197,000 of the purchase price was to be paid in cash (of which $67,000 had been pre-paid) with the balance represented by a promissory note payable over the next four years.
Shareholders can be excused for wondering how Vinoble would pay for the property. The Company had incurred expenses of $9.4 million in 2005, principally from the issuance of stock to employees and consultants, and had just $38 in its bank account on June 30, 2005. How could it possibly fund an acquisition or explore a mine. Even if it could afford a shovel and pail – barely – it had no employees ready to dig.
Despite these questions, and its historic inability to complete a transaction, Vinoble has been pursuing another acquisition in recent months. On September 6, 2005, the Company said it was evaluating an oil and gas project and had developed "new sources of funding to undertake the operation." Vinoble did not indicate the sources or terms of that funding or the details of the oil and gas acquisition and venture – but promised to do so once a definitive agreement was concluded. Sounding a now familiar theme, Vinoble said it would explore the use of RFID technologies to help monitor oil wells and production.
On September 9, the Company revealed that it had entered into a Memorandum of Understanding to acquire a minority interest in an oil and gas property located in the Lafourche Parish of Louisiana. They may want to begin operations quickly. A recent report indicated that the average property in Lafourche Parish sunk seven inches over the past decade.
Press releases issued on September 9 and September 28 offered some technical information about the property – but no details of the transaction or verifiable independent analysis of the value of the property. Nevertheless, the Company claimed that the oil and gas venture would increase its asset value.
Hidden Treasure?
At best, Vinoble's prospects are shrouded in uncertainty. The Company has provided only a vague description of its contemplated mining and oil and gas ventures – and not a hint of how those projects will be implemented. Is it possible to attribute any meaningful value on an entity which is so speculative, and in such sorry financial condition?
This brings us back where we started, with the promoter that has been touting Vinoble. The promoter's e-mail contends that the Company's stock is "very much undervalued considering the potential of the [homeland security sector and oil/energy industry] and the position of the Company." Exactly what position does the Company occupy? It is not yet involved in the homeland defense business; virtually every effort to enter that sector has been abandoned and, despite repeated references to RFID research, there is no sign that Vinoble owns any valuable technology or patents, or possesses the capacity to research and develop this process. The promoter claims that Vinoble "has assembled a highly qualified team of security professionals offering a full range of security services," but that contradicts the Company's public filings, which do not indicate that any such personnel are in place.
Nor is there any reason to exude confidence about the potential success of Vinoble's other projects. The prospects of the Company's vague mining venture remain purely speculative and plans for an oil and gas operation have yet to be finalized.
So how can the promoter anticipate that Vinoble shares will rise from a current price of 7 cents to 12 cents within days and 25 cents or 30 cents by early November? Is that simply delusion, wishful thinking, or an attempt to boost prices and create activity so some unidentified shareholders can dump their holdings? And who paid the promoter $10,000 to hype this stock? Hopefully the funds did not come from Vinoble, which does not appear to have such deep pockets and could better use the money for more constructive purposes.
Some "small treasure" can remain buried for a very long time.
http://www.stockpatrol.com/article/key/vinoble
That theory could be spun for every red dumpathon. The reality is that there is no "big run" that could be guaranteed with the fact that there is big dumping going on. It's a negative and insiders are using the public for getting rid of their practically free shares. Preying on the thought of "well there is a buy for every sell that must mean a run". NOT
There was a lot of that on the big cliff dropping from the original P&D and that great long run getting back to the highs or even close just because the chart has some space on it, never happened. Believe it, it can go a lot lower and the dumping that is happening and the fact that the DTC put it on their list, kicked it out of the CNS system puts that fact in reality.
Of course the ones dumping and raking in the public's money want everyone to think about "there's going to be a run" thought. That way they have an easier time raking it in at a more controlled pps.
In pinky land and stocks like CRWV, I don't really know of any PR's to be nothing but exaggerations, erroneous statements, packed full of things that never come true, and even outright lies. There is no real geological report here and just a bunch of made up promo statements by CRWV. They Pumped and Dumped it and most value and volume is lost from that time. From this point, there are great risks to ever seeing a profit. You have obvious dumping going on and the DTC has put restrictions on it. None of those things are any good. As far as trading, for where any bottom to the pps will be, is in question.
There also runs the risk of more brokers refusing to trade it, or only allow exits in the position with no buying, and all different levels of different restrictive actions that hinder volume and any runs.
Wanting a THRA LOCK removed or even wishing it doesn't quite cut it. Neither does just saying the LOCK is going to get removed. We all know about the wishing and "hoping" stock strategies. They don't work and this thing has been ran up to a wall and then the wall fell on it. But it is pretty close to "being gone" though. LOL
On the subject of online scams everyone should be aware of the intuit scam going on for personal information. I think either my wife or I get one of these every year during tax time and my wife got one today. Of course all the normal things apply; don't click on links, don't give personal info out, don't believe in it, and forward these ones to spoof@intuit.com .
http://security.intuit.com/alert.php?a=33
That may be true in many respects, but one always has to keep their eye on the ball (IE: their money) and the odds that they are playing with. Remember; "if your playing poker and you don't know who the patsy is, your the patsy."
That morning dew was pretty sour and then the normal trading day just dead. This stock is giving the big holders a heck of a time in order to dump their shares.
Well I could say hope for the best (and I do for the normal joe), but hope is not a good trading or investment strategy.
The problem is that it won't be up to any shareholder or trader for the decision. Over half on the list has gone to compete ZERO for volume and only a small percentage has even got over 10 million shares trading. A big portion of that small percentage volume are at .0001 or some other low trip zip.
The liquidity of getting rid of the shares for more than one paid will can be a big issue and that won't matter what the AS or OS is. But as I stated before, some MOMO can come in at any given point and there might be some very quick trading opportunities. I also stated at that time that the pps would go down more before it happened and that is in fact what it's doing.
But trade quick if or when it might jump in trading opportunity. If one doesn't have the required margin account for day trading, I would suggest a lot of caution.
Value of holdings have done nothing but overall declined with their RS, and your right, the odds are that another RS will decline value even more.
But where are their audited financial statements. Showing assets, debt, any profit (doubt if there is much if any), operating expenses, taxes paid, and issuance of any share debt?
The last statements of theirs shows no capitol or cash with out selling more shares to even survive.
Good luck with that. The odds and statistics for all the DTC list are not good and there is nothing here with CRWV that would lead to believe that they could beat the odds.
There has already been multiple R/S's with this company. Which have regularly reduced the OS and leaving more OS to be increased and RS again. Has already happened several times with MXXH. These pinks issue shares all the time out for sale and get put into the market and not for any real business, just money made from issuing shares. R/S are never good for the sub-pinks and another RS for MXXH won't be any different.
There has been no financials in about five years after the last NT 10K where they said it was going to be late and that they would have Audited financials soon and subsequent statements after that to "future" auditing and proper finances. Of course here shareholders sit with nothing in that respect.
Now are the shares that Gouger got paid (probably convertibles and at a discount rate) going to be sold into the market to finally drill after all this time. Why didn't the the company disclose that instead of keeping the shareholders dragged along. Why haven't they disclosed any and all issuance of shares and other related important data that are supposed to be on their stated "coming soon" audited financials.
Real oil producing companies don't get put into these pink shells, lot of talk and PR's of course, but the odds are pretty much nill as history and stats of the pinks teaches us.
Even if they do drill the well, it will depend on oil flow, how much gunk, water, gas, or expense to get the oil will have to be determined. It will have records to all those facts if or when it does get done. There is only 25% "working interest" and a question will have to be asked how much debt and expense will go along with the shell.
Even if there is a million dollars worth of oil, if the expense and debt are 950,000 there nothing left for shareholders of the stock.
Now any stock can have a sudden surge for trading and I hope that all shareholders can get their investment back. Wish all the luck in the world to ones who can get some trades in if MXXH has any volume at all. But it doesn't look to good right now.
That hope is seriously misplaced. There is constant exiting with insiders or other larger holdings here and they are exiting at a rate every day that is very methodical. Nothing that wasn't expected with the restriction Chill put on by the DTC.
Will get worse for the normal trader or investor with liquidity problems. It's pretty much free money for the insiders dumping the shares, what do they care, but obviously they want out, taking the money and running.
Very true, and I personally haven't been researching this one out other than to briefly look at the ridiculousness of the whole thing. The promo's of course have been going for way too long and it seems like a lot of shares need to be dumped when that goes on. They've included everything including the kitchen sink and the normal short squeeze BS, and even advertising for Etrade trying to get people to start accounts or transfer over from Ameritrade because there was a problem with certain brokers not wanting to do it.
Anyone can quickly surmise that one big red streak has to happen screwing anyone in it's path.
It couldn't be all that dubious promoting that was going on. Noooo. LOL That one has got to be one of the top BS promo's list.
Don't see a notice yet at the DTC, but that doesn't mean it's not there. The brokers are in the position (being a member of DTC) to know about it. The last list was updated at the DTC on the 2nd.
Maybe next week will be a new list for the T4T crud showing MDGC.
Did you get exactly what DTC services were restricted (DO, WT, booted out of the CNS system, etc)?
Oh golly, the MDGC short BS again. When all the "two week" fluff doesn't succeed, there is always the short talk (literally coming up short. LOL). Of course the last short data being absolute ZERO.
Ameritrade shorting this thing, riiiight. The whispers are that ETrade and Ameritrade are talking merger again. Been going around for years now with "talks", but there does seem to be some substance this time around. So what will the "shorts" do then? It's always the broker and not the company for the finger pointing. MDGC's fingers are running out of brokers to point at. LOL
http://www.americanbanker.com/people/etrade-frank-petrilli-chairman-merger-chatter-1046182-1.html
Not "smart money" at all buying at the ask when there is such a gaping spread of 60%. But it was only a couple of hundred bucks, so not too big of deal I guess. Trading a spread like that is a complete folly and as the volume shows, not many will do it.
This company hasn't even had a financial for about 5 years, let alone an audited one. Can't even make a reliable decision on investing into it. All it's had is some 8k's and Reverse Splits and such and lack of drilling (even though payments of restricted stock went out about a year ago, probably needing to come into the market about now).
RS's are used all the time for issuing more toxic debt shares and without proper financial reporting, any prospective investor can't see whats going on.
For example if there is an OS of 250 and the company RS's it to 1 that means now since the AS has remained the same there is more availability to issue more debt or shares and still have it seem like the OS has been reduced, but is still way over the 1.
Done all the time in the pinks and back and forth the OS goes, but alas, still over the 1 and even that one is worth so much less in actual dollar amount of the original 250.
They are going to have to close that spread AND increase the volume enormously to have any "smart" trading and get some audited financials out for investing (good luck with seeing that).
The two generations that have to do with this company BNPD (BNPDD, turdi, toxm, tomi, etc) have a very horrible track record with drilling or pumping wells, paying people, following regulations, or doing what he BS's about.
As far as any other generation, it doesn't matter what some great granddad did and not part of any discussion. Times, requirements, procedures, and the oil market were different anyway. What does make a difference is what Gouger and his son do that are involved with this company and what this company or stock owns, doesn't profit with, or scams shareholders with dead oil "working interest" wells.
Gouger has not drilled another pinky that he got paid $200,000 in stock to do (MXXH). He's got multiple violations on other low or no producing wells and other legal problems in his career.
But the question is what does the shareholders own here with BNPD (D)? Answer: NOTHING, no profit, ZIP. Only a Reverse Split in a Pumped and Dumped shell and value down 90%+ in holdings going further to the south.
PR's out that the wells would ever produce anything but dribbles of oil was a scam. Gouger knew full well that the Proration results would never be what he was trying to imply. The wells just have muck, dirty gas, and other non oil substance to regularly clean out and part of getting just the few drops that the old stripper wells could produce. Not profitable for the amount of expense required to do it.
So what's left? Sell shares in some dirty pinky, RS, and Pump and Dump the idea and take advantage of shareholders that might believe in the BS.
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For Information of production reports, P-5, P-4, violations, permits, IWAR's (Inactive Well Aging Reports), Operators and lease information, maps, and other data of "Working Interest" wells. http://www.rrc.state.tx.us/data/online/index.php
Operator name: TEJONES OPERATING CORP. (owned by Tom Gouger III -- PRESIDENT)(Thomas Gouger IV -- SECRETARY-TREASURER) Paid or funded by BNPD BNPDD
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The LOCK is not a good thing that THRA has been given and the only thing that DTC might (if certain shares get audited through ok and one can get their broker to do it for them) is do some non trading Custody Service. Not knowing the policies of good business and proper public company accounting and market procedures wasn't the problem here and would not be any "good thing". But all this shows is that the company just got caught with the dubious behaviors. Thinking that THRA was going to get away with it was the dumb thing the CEO was "familiar" with.
"DTC has suspended all services, except Custody Services, for the below referenced issues. The suspensions are effective December 9, 2011."
http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/legal/imp_notices/2011/dtc/ope/1856-11.pdf
I suppose if someone wants to do some wallpapering with THRA stock certs, I guess that might be possible. If their broker(DTC member) will, the proper forms get filled out, and the length of time waited for audit, etc, one could maybe get a actual certs to put on the wall. That has nothing to do with everyday trading for the normal THRA investor or trader. That service is available to all members and can be used by a Private company with employee stock for example.
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Yep, and they are not having the best of times with it. With that last T-trade of 4 mil, about half of all the volume went for the low of .002
"Lots of selling today. Looks as if insiders are systematically unloading as much as they can without completely tanking the price."
Well the latest T-trade dump jumped them on the top dirty list. LOL
Although CRWV is loosing ground as expected and only barely made the bottom of list. Just nothing for volume and the little it gets hasn't been good for the old Pump and Dump.
It moved from number 17 to 21 of the 21 dirty DTC list. But give it time, the liquidity will go entirely at some point.
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If there is anything verifiable with any reliable or official source to confirm any of the BS of MDGC, I welcome anyone to bring it on. (And no, phoney PR's and conversations with a salesman selling shell share wares are not verifiable or reliable).
I'll get in touch with people I know there and see if they can check it out. But it's a little tiresome to keep having them go on wild goose chases. It's just tiresome and annoying (much like talking to shell salesmen).
I'm not seeing that to be anything good today due to that is 22% in the red from yesterday. Besides, the .0006 is getting hit harder and a lot closer to being gone than 7's. That's over 33% down from yesterday's close. Not heading in the right direction, but that's nothing new for MDGC. 5's are coming up.
I'm afraid that was reserved for company VIP's (insiders) only. LOL
Nothing for any normal shareholder or trader.
One heck of a "breakout" isn't it? Not much excitement in smelling damp wet sulfur from THRA matches trying to be lit. Guess traders went elsewhere with the bunny that had real batteries instead of old broken matches in a rainstorm that THRA had or has.
That was covered, not a matter of opinion.
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And numbers and links to the financials. All one has to do is read them.
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Oops, someone traded it at a penny. There's going to be some erratic price and trades as this thing gets settled in with the Reverse Split, but we all know where it will end up. Right along with Gouger's dead wells.
You're right, and on the bottom line is that lack of liquidity should be part of everyone's "risk assessment". Definitely NOT a positive for MDGC.
Not a good sign when Brokers start putting their own chill on a stock. Let you exit the position, but not let you buy. Pretty common for stocks like MDGC. Now the spin of course will be it's the brokers fault for doing proper risk assessment.
It wasn't my article of facts or my charges. The debt dumping is given on AQLV's own financials. Nothing to do with me and only the facts of the foreign exchanges and the company AQLV. Support is from the numbers already known. Whether or not a particular exchange goes up or down in a particular day really doesn't say anything at all.
AQLV is down over 7% right now for the day and down a lot more for the last week. That would have more to do with shareholders or traders of AQLV.