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For the Doctors here this might be of interest.
Here in more info from Judy Mikovits - in an long Interview - following her new book:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7trekp
It might not be 'so easy' to 'Shut this lady UP' - this time - as a big number of doctors around the world - now is 'looking for answers' - in the light of this latest 'devastating corona virus attack.
Jasbg
2. ver. of video-upload Censored by Google
Here 3. upload - but probably not for long:
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Molecular Biologist ? Dr. Judy Mikovits
Being an outsider' in the 'Political and Mental' War that is playing out 'these years' in the USA - I actually feel that there are a number of elements in the story of Dr. Judy Mikovits - that relates to the Patent Problems of Vascepa.
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So I would think it be 'worth while' for a number of the many qualified Medical and Jurisdiction people on this board - to read the book (dig into the story) - that has direct links to how use (misuse) of Patens has changed in America.
https://www.amazon.com/Plague-Corruption-Restoring-Promise-Science/dp/1510752242
The 'second uploade af Video to Youtube' - still there (In my personal view very well 'and credible' my immediate impression.
ORBAPU@ Some Dr. guy - Says 'Dont Believe in Conspiracy' +20 times.
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This as answer to 'a ton of facts' in a long video about 'some of the most powerful people in USA'.
And talking about 'Attention Seeking' - WITH NOT ONE bit of information. Give me a break'
Jasbg
NB. No surprise that - everything exposing the Power People - Fauci in the center - is TOTALLY REMOVED from the net (there are companies specializing in 'Cleaning the Net' for information - not a problem if you have money)
I dont say that everything in the story 'is the truth' (no one here at this point can know that') - but this guy is an absolut joke - that is all I'm saying.
Seeing the way Fauci has 'promoted' Remdesivir - does indicate that this is a person more about $$ than morals.
First version was removed in few hours:
This 'new uploaded' (with new intro text) still there (but for how long) ?
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In many ways we are living an Orwell 1984 Big Brother 'bad dream' !
Imrmast@ In the Worldwide confusion of the Covid Crises - there are 'no rules for counting Deaths.
Does anyone here know haw many died in USA 'daylie BEFORE the crises ?
And next question: If 'No Corona Crisis' - how many of 'The Now Counted Covid-19 victims - would have died in this period anyway.
As anything else in the modern world - every event (and especially something as dramatic as this one) is used commercially - this time maybe even most by Bio Business.
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Remdesivir is a joke in fighting this horrible decease for '¨the sick and elderly' (shortens by 4 days - for some if treated very early - but the old with condition's stil die).
When at the same time 'it is Proven' that the old malariadrug - Hydroxychloroquine + Antibiotica - WORKS to defeat the virus (most certainly why they now in Italy - Spain and France are getting the decease under control).
It is NOT Remdesivir that is the 'right treatment for Covid-19 - but newer the less Dr. Fausi - just happens to Leak that FDA approved the Drug - and there is an arranged question to president Trump on "patient saved by Remdesivir" - 'How Thick can this Bio company make it'.
Remdesivir was 'thrown out' as a Mers treatment' - the Chinese 'stopped trial after phase 2' with Remdesivir.
Now is the big question. WHY the hell does Fauci and FDA approve it - when they at the same time call the Hydroxychloroquine + Antibiotica - that actually WORKS - anecdotal !
FDA looks - in this connection - as being 'all about Money and Lobbyism' - much as the WHO covering for the Chinese.
Jasbg
From a lay person in Law.
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If you have 'Jumped the Bridge' - it is to late to 'change your mind'.
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The 6 Patent's that protect Vascepa are 'removed by judge Du' - every generic company in the world 'can now copy Vascepa' - and sell it in USA.
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Looking from abroad - 'you cant help but feel horrified' (this looks like Mafia methods - getting to a Judge).
But the facts as of this moment 'The Patens protecting Vascepa from generic - overruled by US 9th district Judge - so purified EPA treatment 'Open to every generic in the World.
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And this means at the same time that Amarin - 'in Real World reality - has no choice but to 'go All In on Appeal - to Save USA.
Jasbg
A fact that Dr.Oz is where's the News on Covid.
Day 99 is a strong input on race for Vaccines:
https://www.doctoroz.com/episode/everything-you-need-know-about-covid-19-vaccines-being-tested-humans-right-now
Day 100 - on the 'food delivery problem in USA' (specially meat):
https://www.doctoroz.com/episode/covid-19-stay-home-guide-our-food-supply-chain-breaking
Remember - slow loading' - black breake's - in between sections of the video's.
Jasbg
BillB@ I actually did se that.
And being 'a bit under pressure' (as rest of Big Pharma) not the least US - in the Novo Stock is now again at an ATH - so 'things back to normal' at Novo Nordisk.
The center of the Novo succes is Diabetes. Maybe not Novo right now as possible BO - but Novo would be a great Partner in getting EU of the ramp - and maybe 'some combination possibilities' in the Diabetes - Vascepa - treatment - actually curing people.
Better Novo do it themselves (a lot of other efforts to attack Diabetes problematic especially in USA - with the obvious big obesity problem).
Jasbg
sts66@ It all depends of what happens going forward.
I just recently read'(here on iHub) that actually Novo Nordisk has been mentioned as possible buyer of Vascepa - and being form Denmark I couldn't help to reflect on that info.
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A quick story about Novo Nordisk. It's the biggest successtory ever in our country. The was a story some years ago about a lady who had been imploye at Novo for +30 years, in an office job answering incoming telefon calls etc.
This lady had beside her 'normal salary' - made a fortune in the yearly part af her income that 'you as Novo Imploye could chose to be paid as Shares in The Company. This had made her more than 12 mill. Kroner (about 1.8 mill dollars).
Novo Nordisk share price had at the time gone up more than 25.000 % over the years.
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It would/will be fun if Novo Nordisk buys Amarin and Vascepa. That is a company with an enormous power. A couple of years ago they hired the national soccer stadion for their yearly company party. More than 11.000 people invited with entertainment from best artists (stand up's - music etc. in the afternoon) - and partying all night' everything paid for.
If Amarin bought by Novo Nordisk - everybody is in for 'a party':)
Jasbg
The BIG difference from earlier economical crises (1929 - 1987 - 2007-08 - partly 2011) is' that Central Banks have learned the lessons from earlier.
Central Banks - world wide are ALL IN - and will CONTINUE to be so - this time.
WHY ?
Because that every experience from earlier crises indicates - that it can take up 'to 10 years' - to get things rolling again after a deep recession/depression.
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This is why World Economy didn't already 'go into into a deep hole' - with the unemployment numbers growing every week.
G7(8) will this time do 'whatever it takes' to avoid 'a deep recession' (mening keep putting money into 'the system' (printing money) until the crises is over.
Remember there will always be' (have always been) even in the best of times 'a number of "experts" - arguing that 'the World is about to end'.
Nothing that Wall Streets like better 'than Panic/Wild Volatility In the Markets - that is when 'They Really make Money - so I would listen a lot more to say Buffets (an active long investor) than anyone eg. GS connected to Wall Street.
Jasbg
Here is some thoughts from Yahoo post - thanks to David:
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sts66@ I'm beginning to understand 'a bit of it' - thanks to some of you 'patient' guys trying to explain an 'outsider' (dummy) about these complicated matters.
And complicated is must be - for something to be debated as much as 'the trial/appeal - possible BO - etc.
Thanks for you answer - once more :)
Jasbg
SBsandman@ Thanks for your answer.
This is complicated stuff for 'non Law / non Bio people.
And the number of post from 'knowing' people - here indicates that it is in fact 'complicated' even for experts in these fields.
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What i now finally understand is that when FDA approves a drug it is granted 'exclusivity' for a number of years.
The patents that a given company apply for - is a different matter all together.
This clears up much of the confusion for me.
One last Last question - do you know when Marine indication expired/s' - what Year (date) ?
Jasbg
Please can any of the Law people answer a couple of very simple questions about the Patern case - Hikma and Reddy - I have been searching for since yesterday:
1. Who sued Who ? Was it Amarin that started the lawsuit or was it the generic's ?
2. If it was Amarin 'starting the case' - it must have been to stop generic's in an already stated proces to make a generic version of Vascepa ?
3. If Hikma and Reddy was on the brink of producing generic version of Vascepa - there must have been some patents 'running out' earlier than the ones handeled in the Teva deal (2029) ?
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Can someone please clear up these basic points of the patent trial ?
Why were Hikma and Reddy in the 'first place' planing generic version af Vascepa - unless some patents were running out ?
(Think I understand the later part of the case - Amarin make 'new patents' protecting R-I results - and 'therefore now generics - should not be aloud to make generis version - which the judge overruled)
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It's the facts about the start of the proces I'm confused about - would very much have cleared up.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can explain 'the basis for Hikma and Reddy - in the first place would be planing a generic version of Vascepa (before the R-I run later) ?
Jasbg
The king of stock trading LIVE - while on Corona Crisis' on screen Conference:
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/berkshire-hathaway-annual-shareholders-meeting-154143373.html
Jasbg
Whala@ Bio - Should be forbidden !
You Loose' - and then you Loose - MORE' - Yes :)
Jasbg
ziploc@ I'm late on this train - bying in first time september 2018 shortly before R-I was released - so compared to a lot of people here on iHub AMRN (who has been here for big part of their life's) I'm very New.
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This is why - I'm only now beginning to understand the real basis for the Patent Trial.
What Hikma and Reddy did in their plans - was (as I now understand it) what generic producers does - when patens 'Run Out' - prepare to make a Generic alternative to the Brand name drug - in this case Vascepa.
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The Short Version - Now after R-I succes - Amarin says to generics - this is now 'A Much More Valuable Drug'.
We have, through our R-I 300 million$ trials 'Proved', - that our Purified Form of EPA has an unprecedented positive effect for CDV people.
The patent case rolls with ruling on marts 30. 2020.
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I do not doubt for a second that, given the arguments of John Thero, Amarin shall/will WIN Appeal case.
If they dont' you might just as well 'Close down US Patent Office' - and all future research and science, would be shot down for ever - in God's own country
Jasbg
inv92@ As i said I'm a Lay person in Law - which is confirmed by your input.
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Looking for an answer (who sued who) I think you are right - in the sense that it was Amarin 'protecting the patens' made on the back of the R-I Trial - that started the case.
Meaning I only now understand this basic part of the whole matter - that the original Vascepa patent in USA were running out - which is why Hikma and Reddy were planning on a generic version of Vascepa (this how i understand it).
How and where i found these answers does put a somewhat more Insecure Light on the Appeal Case - I'm afraid.
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Markman evaluation before judge Du ruling:
https://www.markmanadvisors.com/blog/2020/1/6/how-will-reduce-it-impact-generic-entry-for-amarins-vascepa
Markman after the marts 30. Ruling:
https://www.markmanadvisors.com/blog/2020/3/31/can-amarin-win-on-appeal-in-the-vascepa-patent-litigation
Jasbg
ilt@ I would like to push your line of thinking a bit futher.
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John Thero has a number of times mentioned that Amarin will go for compensation of the lost provenue caused by generic Patent suet by Hikma and Reddy.
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Just to put this in perspective 'Compensation in US caughts' is not something to be taken lightly.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/monsanto-parent-company-bayer-faces-thousands-roundup-cancer-cases-after-n1007246
https://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/19/us/florida-tobacco-verdict/index.html
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Question is - what would the AMRN SP be today if there had been no Patent lawsuit from Hikma and Reddy. The difference of that' and the actual SP - when we reach the Appeal date - is what Amarin should/will claim in compensation (what Amarin has lost because of patent case):
So lets assume that SP when reaching appeal date is 10$ - i would say that AMRN in a free market - going forward after FDA CDV Approval december 2019 would be at least 35$ - with all the great news along the way - Canada - Q4 - EU and China on the way.
Now we have an easy way to calculate Amarins compensation claim:
Number of shares times lost SP price per share (360.000.000 x 25) = 9 billion dollars.
Plus the legal costs - and other expenses brought on by the lawsuit.
I hope Hikma and Reddy has put money aside - to compensate a Honest Company - they almost destroyed with their greedy and cynical lawsuit.
Jasbg
NB: I'm a lay person in Law. I think this i the logic way of calculating compensation - but will not be surprised if real Law people says different :)
Lemm@ I think yesterdays conference call was the exercise of - 'Saying Nothing' (as litle as possible) and in this weird words 'seldom used' are always good.
Have you ever listened closely to Dylan's texts.
Sounds like something 'with meaning' - but then again 'What is It ? :)
Jasbg
I think he actually says Wholistic !
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/wholistic-word-origin-and-use
My Mistake just checked' - is is actually written as holistic in transcript:
sstyles@ How would you play it then ?
Damn you are a fast Writer:)
I know exactly 'nothing' about Law - so I take your word on the risk.
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And I dont say 'No BO'' - or trying to 'make deal with BP' to be stronger 'in every Sense of the Word'.
All I'm saying is that settlement with the 2 generich (Hikma-Reddy) that have caused all the trouble (killing SP fallback) has no meaning - as they opened the door to every other generich - to copy Vascepa.
The protecting patents are 'Removed by judge Du's ruling'. Wonder if they actually realized that - undermining Amarin - they at the same time undermined themselves :)
Only real logic is that Hikma and Reddy - thought they could settle. Winning dont have any real value to them (I now suddenly understand what JT was saying about this yesterday):)
Jasbg
ssstyles@ I also myself only understood this fully yesterday (after Q1 conference).
Settlement with Hikma and Reddy is not an option (wouldn't mean anything) - because of the '6 Patens that judge DU overruled' - the field is' as of right now' - open to any generics in the world 'to copy' and sell 'Vascepa Copy' (generich) in the US.
Only chance to Reverse That is to win the Appeal - why reality is that Amarin has no choice - but to 'go all in' (which is what they do) - In Winning the Appeal.
Jasbg
cbb@ Would have been nice with the same approach on Hydroxychlorentine + antibiotica treatment - as 'the right moral thing to do' - you point out here.
But that is surely not what happened. The "experts" controlling the process in USA were very quick to 'renounce professor Renaults results in France.
The same time elsewhere 'so cautious' Dr. Fauci - "just happens" - to Leak that Remdesivir did well' in a trial - now FDA approved in White House brifing. Now is 'suddenly unethically 'Not to treat covid patient'.
Before 'when the whole world KNEW that Hydroxychlorentine 'kills the virus'- and have cured thousands of patients worldwide (where they could get the drug) - To Fauci 'that drug was not approved' - only anecdotal
- not safe to give to 'old sick patients suffocating from this bad decease'.
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The whole charade is a Joke - which sadly illustrates how Bio Sector is run by BP Money - at the expense of science.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=155369730
You have a nice weekend
Jasbg
HiKU@ Great Post - Puts the record Straight on the Subject. Thanks !
Jasbg
mrmains@ Settlement is DEAD by the fact that 'the 6 patents judge Du - overruled' leaves the field open for every generich in the World.
So as the Law People point out - Amarin in fact have no choice but 'to go 100% for the Appeal to be a Win'.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=155356630
Jasbg
HDG@ Thanks for Event list.
Good to see you back - and active :)
Jasbg
ORBAPU@ Remdesvir was dropped by the Chinese after Phase 2 trial.
It all about 'Trump came to mention - that he had heard about the French succes with Hydroxychlorentine + antibiotica.
From then on MSM media blocked every positive talk of the treatment (except Dr. OZ).
This treatment actually works - which french professor Renault showed in his 1000 cases with 92% survival (as I recall).
Keyser@ Noted - and aparently that is exactly what JT said is going to happen.
At this stage (with SP where it is) the thing that really frightens retail investors 'is the Newer Ending Story'. That is a mental Killer.
Jasbg
HinduKush@ Are you seriously saying - this could drag on for another 20 months (til end of 2021) ?
And you are in fact saying that is a 'likely senarie' as I read you ?
It's getting close to Patent's dont matter anyway then (normal 20 years - down to 8) - if there's not yet another appeal after 2022.
If this is the likely senarie - I can only shout HELP !!!!
This makes Buy Out only 'survival route' - for Amarin !
Jasbg
NB: Looks more an more like that maybe was the plan from BP from the start - simply keeping Vascepa away from the market as long as possible - burying Amarin in litigation for Years' and Years'
invest83@ She is a Brave Lady - here with Hannity on Flynn cace- you mention:
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6152476758001
Jasbg
osotm@ Thanks for link. Very god 'round up' of where Amarin are - right now
Actually answers 'rather short ans precise' - why eg. settlement 'if of the table' - for obvious reasons.
Amarin 'Expect' EU approval end 2020.
As they 'Expected' to win Patent case.
As they 'didn't anticipate Corona Crisis.
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The world of 2021 will almost certainly 'be different' to what we might think today - so I totally agree - with the cautious approach to future by Amarin - moneywise.
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One thing that has been debated a lot (also lately) is the possible settlement with Hikma/Reddy.
I did not hear JT refer to it in anyway - and no questions about it either.
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What do experienced people here think about that. Does this mean that 'Settlement' is completely of the table ?
Jasbg
golf stud@ You can listen to today's 'Amarin Q1 2020 Earnings Call' via link herunder
Just register and 'submit' - and 'have sound on' :)
https://www.webcaster4.com/Webcast/Page/2037/34453
Jasbg
ITL - romou@ He said expected 'Hearing' beginning september or november (ruling there after)
And yes - that is the expedited version' (long version not debated)
Jasbg
NB - On The prepared Part - JT Ok. On questions - really careful not to give anything away (which do leave a rather muddy impression).
But Sales are fine - which is in the end 'the most important of all' :)
alwwat@ I dont think it is possible to find a retail AMRN investor - that would not 'sell today' - even at 20$.
Mirror Wisdom newer paid any bills' - but It's Something that is rather common amongst us private investors in Stocks :)
Jasbg
Can anyone guess why this song - just came to mind :)
And he is even Irish !
cobebe@ Didn't I read you have been a military man fro big part of your life.
What you describe takes 'first of all character'!
Great job - you surely will live longer - but even more important You will feel great all the way :)
All the best
Jasbg