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The debate of how much "protection" by the law or governing bodies may be up for debate. But the fact that there needs to be some is not. Also when there is an obvious lack of “protection” in comparison to the rampant scams and lack of real business other than to just sell shares for the personal benefit of the ones who doing the scamming, then more “protection” (more regulation and/or enforcement) is definitely warranted.
The theory of we all need to take our own responsibility and cannot protect the less intelligent, weaker, less experienced, more naive, etc from themselves can only go so far. If we did not have laws, courts, etc against thieves, muggers, and crooks and only say that people need to be stronger, more in shape, trained, carry more guns, gets irresponsible in itself.
Again the question is "how much" or what kind and then the real big one -- enforcement with proper priorities and not succumb to the financial abilities of the violators, but instead attack those abilities and create proper means to collect the costs from those violators by any means possible. Along with a goal of making the fact that crime should NOT pay due to one of the problems, especially in the pinky market, the crime so often does.
But there is validity in that we as a society, all need to take more responsibility in our actions and some of those responsibilities are in fact to govern, give structure, and give tools and opportunity for others to learn and choose the proper “personal responsibilities” of their own. It can also be said that it is also each of our responsibilities to protect the weaker, less experienced, more naïve and elect, put in place, and give support to better means and more attention to the rampant misuse of the pinky market.
Also it includes the “personal responsibilities” of the ones in authority like the SEC, FINRA, and other regulatory entities to do their job that we as a society give them to do. And it includes all of our “personal responsibilities” to give them the power or means to do it.
A “personal responsibility” may include one speaking up against the abuse, and help make aware and expose that very abuse. It definitely is not a good “personal responsibility” to be a pumper clown and support the abuse and the scams of this degraded pinky market.
Just a couple of articles that I posted on Scions board that may be of interest on money to SEC and FINRA. Of course the subject discussed in the articles is always up for its own debate.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=64822387
Very true. They also give out hours and hours of entertainment, and BNPD has become quite entertaining.
Well now lets get the bid up where it shows what one will pay for it. LOL
Oops. Now look what happened. The ask and bid dropped.
Low volume is one thing, but practically no volume is another. Guess that "old" BNPD hype and promotional act isn't working so well. Can always throw in a couple of more "ticker change, ticker change, ticker change", or some other chorus sounding BNPD statements. Maybe that will do it.
Don't tell me that over hour "old" trade of 309 shares is going to be the paint of the day and week? At least someone can paint a more current trade than that "old" one. LOL
But maybe it can be the "old" junk statement of "MM's signal". With all of this "old" talk, I would half expect it.
But come on now, there some more .02's there to paint with to not make it so "old". LOL
Well, I think one is asking too much. All there will be is BNPD flip flopping around with "look at BNPD and officers old stuff" then "wait a minute, that doesn't conform to the BNPD hype, it's old". Hilarious. What can one expect, its a pinky where more money and/shares are given to advertising than actually becoming a real business and fully reporting to the SEC with audited financials and full disclosure.
But, hey you can get a ticker change, ticker change, ticker change. LOL
But then again, BNPD is having a hard time even doing that simplest of things.
BNPD - birdgangstocks - who is this promotional company?
This promotional company hit my radar because they put out a recent press release announcing that they are now promoting BNPD:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/7/prweb8628668.htm
One possibility could be that the owner of a $106,500 debt Note which can legally be converted into free trading shares any time after March 31, 2011 may finally be looking to convert and sell those shares. The owner of that Note gets to convert their shares at $.001/share which means they could would have 106,500,000 shares to sell if they do a full conversion. They could make a nice profit off of those 106,500,000 share at the current trading price of $.0253/share getting a return of $2,694,000 on their $106,500 investment, but why not go for more by paying for a promotion? Just raising the share price a half of penny will make that $2,694,000 into $3,226,950. More than likely though the promotion is just to lure in new buyers to support the share price as much as possible while some of those shares are being sold if the debt Note holder is indeed involved in the paid promotion.
Who is the owner of that Note? The filings don't say. Could be JD Pulver the former owner of the shell? Could be Roger Pawson who attempted to purchase the shell while using it to pump their other company, BEHL with a fake dividend? BNPD has a very dirty history.
I'm not sure the present situation for BNPD is all that much better with the lurking Note holder and the addition of new CEO, Thomas Gouger, who can be linked to Titan oil & Gas (TNOG) and Greenstar Energies (GSRE) and has some safety violations in his past oil and gas experience:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=64898840
The BNPD legal counsel, David L. Kagel, can be linked to some past shady activities as well:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=64900772
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=64901624
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So who is Bird Gang Stocks?
http://www. style='background-color:yellow;'>birdgangstocks.com/
some of the stocks they have claimed to promote in recent months include:
BDLF
VGPR
DEGH
ENTI
NWTT
WNBD
VIGS
SFNL
OPLO
ZLUS
NRPI
Not the shining group of penny stocks that's for sure... in fact that is a pretty rotten bunch overall
The birdgangstocks disclaimer doesn't list individual compensation received which I believe it is legally obligated to do:
http://www. style='background-color:yellow;'>birdgangstocks.com/disclaimer
It only gives this broad statement:
Please be advised that Birdgangstocks.com receives compensation to perform promotional and advertising services for companies mentioned on our website, social media platforms, & our emails by third parties. Anyone viewing this newsletter should assume the hiring party or affiliates of the hiring party own shares of these companies of which they plan to liquidate, further understanding that the liquidation of those shares may or may not negatively impact the share price. Birdgangstocks.com receives compensation as a production budget for advertising efforts and will retain amounts over and above the cost of production, copy writing services, mailing and other distribution expenses as a fee for our services. As such, our opinion is neither unbiased nor independent, and you should consider that when evaluating our statements regarding companies mentioned.
The WhoIs information for the website gives us the following information:
Bird Gang Stocks
2152 Ralph Avenue
Suite #1
Brooklyn, New York 11234
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: BIRDGANGSTOCKS.COM
Created on: 17-Jan-10
Expires on: 17-Jan-13
Last Updated on: 18-Jan-11
Administrative Contact:
Gang Stocks, Bird support@birdgangstocks.com
2152 Ralph Avenue
Suite #1
Brooklyn, New York 11234
United States
+1.3525778625 Fax --
The 353-577-8625 phone number is also listed on the website. It is a Bronson, Florida number with no web search results.
The 718-968-6868 phone number from the press release gives us a few results. It is a New York number belonging to Shawn Porat. Shawn Porat has used this number for a few businesses including:
Recovery of Judgement
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/5/prweb8484466.htm
http://www.recoveryofjudgment.com/
Fortune Cookie Promotions (he does a lot of advertisements looking for telemarketers for this company)
I need a group of telemarketers to call for sales for our company. You can see our company at www.FortuneCookiePromotions.com. Please call me at 7189686868 to discuss. Thanks.
http://www.FortuneCookiePromotions.com
Judgement Marketplace
http://www.judgmentmarketplace.com/
Shawn Porat also used the following email: snp711@gmail.com
Which leads us to Shawn Porat - Notary Public
http://notarycrm.com/find-a-notary-public/New%20York/brooklyn/shawn%C2%A0porat
And this very recent craigs list ad seeking a Silent Partner - $350,000
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bfs/2468276263.html
The other name attached to Bird Gang Stocks is Donald Winston-Day (president and CEO of Bird Gang Stocks)
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/donald-winston-day/1b/9a/187
http://www.updown.com/member/doctorday/networks
http://www.chasetrade.com/member/doctorday
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=65029378&txt2find=birdgangstocks
Seems like there are plenty of shares at the ask also if anyone wants all those, they keep being put up. For a while there, I was wondering if anyone was going to do anything. LOL
I don't care what is interpreted from the charts, still needs more volume than this thing is giving out. Turning into a real dud.
Thanks for the reply. Nevada does seem to have certain issues to contend with for shareholders of any stock registered there. Even though Nevada is one of the worst states for these issues, I believe many states need to step up their criteria for these sub standard toxic shell pinks as a whole.
I know that states need the filing fees, income, etc, but if there was a overall better protection for the shareholders of these pinks, it would help at least curb the scams that are taking place so regularly with the pinks and give one less tool that pumper clowns could try to use for misinforming and pumping a troubled stock and/or dubious companies and their insiders and promoters.
Many SELL the hype also. Especially the front loaders and company insiders, promoters, etc.
I will agree that it is up to each ones interpretation. Charts are used for hype all the time, thats why I just do my own interpretation for my trading and this one is at a big risk with it pounding at its supports and could break more of them any time.
But risk is what these pinkys are all about, but still hard to do anything with such measly volume and little interest and many just waiting to see if this thing does break its supports and goes down which quite a few technicals are indicating it is.
But good luck to all.
More welcome would be a chart ON BNPD instead of some other stock which in the pinky world hasn't anything to do with each other. But some laid out BNPD chart like Matts for example could be looked at and analyzed.
So instead of empty dots and hype using other companies, the subject of this company or stock is much better.
There wasn't any "added". It was the exact copy and paste, just check out the link on Matt's chart board. No one added anything, only a direct quote with link provided for verification.
I can't help thats what he posted. Go talk to him about what he posted. Again here is the link providing the exact post where he stated
The only information I take is the proper SEC or regulatory sites, all the past BNPD hype can be very "misleading" and has been due to it's been saying "tomorrow", "next week", "soon" everyday for some time now.
So I just get the information from the proper sources and that way I don't get "misinformed".
quote]Not looking to be a good trade afterall. If anyone is in this take your profits/losses and move along. [/quote
One take on the charts and BNPD
Seems to be a point of contention on the BNPD board about how companies use out of states to file in like Nevada when they are not in good standing in the state they are supposedly doing business in. In this case, Texas.
There is a lot of this that goes on in the sub standard pinky world and was wondering if anyone here would have any input in reasons for pinky stocks to do this. What some of the issues are in the fact that it is done quite often to only sell shares, but any validity that it is only to do business for reasons of just the particular states "business friendly" status.
Some good input from the members of this great board on the matter I believe could be warranted and included in any "good DD".
Just some simple Econ 101 here. There is loads and loads of Supply and very little to none of Demand. Why there is very few or no sellers BECAUSE there is no or very little Demand (buyers).
The pps doesn't go up when that happens and just festers down around .0001, the lowest, besides ZERO when NO BID, that it can go.
BEHL suckered a few more when the fluffy PR came out and excited a few, but what little Demand quickly subsided and thus very few sellers. Just not even close enough Demand to sell to, and now one has little volume.
Very bad liquidity and so much more BEHL debt to get rid of.
But it is just the very simplest of concepts, if Demand out paces Supply, pps goes up. Since Supply is so much more than the Demand the pps stays down at the bottom due to it is down as far as it can go and the only way to change the .0001-NO BID is to R/S the thing.
That way there is some chance of the insiders, promoters, toxic shell owners, etc to gain some more funds while the stock pps plummets down once again.
I admit sometimes they are when it gets down in real garbage pinky land, bottom of the barrel. Is that where BNPD is?
Other times it's all in how one uses them and interprets them, whether they are being used for very short term trading or trying to use them for any long term. And they have sure been used for BNPD hype. But they are always used for that in all the pinky land where BNPD has chosen to be, no matter what the ticker or board is called.
No matter what any chart says some pinky hype will post it as interpretation positive when many times in fact the chart is not.
Any BNPD front loading or promo shares and then promo, hype , or "awareness advertising" might make it look like some positive actions where others might look at it as designating the BNPD pump and chancing the exit before the dump. It's all pretty subjective.
I was getting humored over that one too. LOL Give a break now, its hard to get any good spin when you have nothing but the crud BEHL to work with. Tough job. LOL
All the links you requested are there. What more does anyone want? mmmm
Much more "passion" seems to arise from some who just don't want to look at any specifics good or bad, namely bad and of course the "passion" from any promo sources. This happens when just some simple questions about the BNPD company, the managements qualifications, and looking into those issues. The issues of that there seems to be a lot (too many IMO) of just hype and promo actions from what I see as just BNPD front loading or payment for promo services.
Whenever some real DD gets brought up about any pink like BNPD, the "passion" from the company hype really gets going, which just eludes from any real issues at hand. Might be an attempt to just hide any negatives from view in order to just have more BNPD hype in order for certain front loading or paid promo to attempt to get the pps to unsustainable levels.
BNPD is just another pinky shell at this point, nothing has been proven and only hyped with any business. Why some might want to exclaim "good standing" in one state where they are NOT in good standing in the state that they are SUPPOSEDLY doing business. Of course that goes along the line as its good for the legal council to be at odds with the SEC and breaking the law and having connections to scams, bankrupt companies, other companies with violations with the SEC, and supporting foreign scam entities.
Good standing in the state of Nevada only allows them to sell shares for a business better than any real business and any true long term profit for shareholders. Now trading of course is another story. That’s where maybe all the hype can come into play. Just got to watch out for the dump after the pump. The more a shell like BNPD is pumped the more it will be dumped.
Well you know how these low end pinks operate, thousand of dirty shell pinks run away to other states after they become too dirty in the state they are in. Plus its the art of going to the more loose states like Nevada that let them get away with more dubious activity. So BNPD going there is no surprise.
Pretty good pace? The pps is down how much for the week? Discussion boards are being renamed back to original shell BIONIC PRODUCTS. NO, NONE, ZERO filings for name change or ticker change where it counts, just running out of state due to NOT IN GOOD STANDING in the state they are trying to do business in or have done business in.
Just looks like a bunch of BNPD front loading and BNPD hype that has fallen backwards in the past week.
BIONIC PRODUCTS (name of BNPD board). Now BNPD hasn't done ANY business whats so ever in Nevada other that trying to buy a toxic shell and hasn't succeeded, but has done business and is trying to do business in Texas, but has just gotten permit and safety violations and debts owed over there. So pretty much a "good standing" is worthless due to there isn't anything done over there.
Trying to MISLEAD and play GAMES by running away out of state doesn't seem like good business to me.
I would like to know about any business BIONIC PRODUCTS has done in Nevada except attempting to sell a toxic shell.
Looks like misleading information is being used by the hype of BNPD, BIONIC PRODUCTS with having to go out of the state that they are attempting to do some sort of business in. Wow. One state at least I guess got fed up with their type of permit and safety violations.
Looks like BNPD is having problems. Still a beverage company and can't get a ticker change no matter how much BNPD hype is. Oh well. Doesn't matter the board will be the same no matter what name it has, the board will be the same, which was the point.
Maybe there is some issues with payment for the shell? Who knows.
What issues would they be? I was wondering? Isn't the "other company" the company that Gouger has been involved with and how he had financial and debt issues or permit and safety violations with and has been in control and caused the issues. Maybe breaking the law and not paying debt is just things to look at, and definitely has something to do with all the BNPD hype of all that experience and credit to be given that keeps being brought up.
Strange attention and subject is given to other people’s issues when anyone should be examining the issues of the CEO or BNPD like other companies and associations that are having legal, and debt issues and abilities of management connected with Gouger. Seems to me plenty of chances have been given to prove abilities and there seems to be some discrepancies of the current BNPD management.
I would hope good BNPD investment DD would be not to talk about other people’s issues and assuming what's in anyone’s mind, but instead examine the problems of the CEO and company BNPD (still no filings at the OTCBB.COM not to be confused with the otcmarkets.com where all it gives is what the company gives it and no checking of accuracy for the most part).
No TOXM today. Over and over it will be "soon", tomorrow, next week though, quite amusing how "time" of a simple ticker change of a simple four letters of BNPD can be described. A shell got bought, and getting more appeasing and change of letters for that shell for public money and finance with a different company than the bought shell, not a big deal. That’s when or if it happens, so what, much ado about nothing.
But I can see where getting attention off of the CEO and BNPD and the past business and chances already given might have its advantages. Better to continue with BNPD hype of the same old general statements like "life long experience" and "generations" instead of actually examining the specifics of that experience.
Well the numbers do confirm and prove my post two months ago as very accurate. A little pump and dump with some volume, but the pps doesn’t go anywhere and now that volume is diminishing once again. See bottom daily chart. http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=65195102
It’s not that I’m any fortune teller, it’s just too obvious and predictable at this point, has been for quite some time. No one has to be a pro and any amateur trader or “investor” can see what’s going on here with BEHL, just have to look and not “pretend in Santa Claus”.
Minimal DD easily exposes the ticker BEHL for what it is. It’s just down on the bottom as low as it can go, and the only thing there is to have happen with the share structure is going to be detrimental to any holding in the ticker such as losing more with an R/S.
All there seems to be is acts of desperation and few continued hopes and broken dreams of this POS and a few getting excited like a little kid that still believes in Santa on Xmas Eve with nothing but a little more DEBT DUMPING and some diminishing volume. Come Xmas morning, the reality of no Santa Claus will hit.
I hope that anyone wisely gets what little there is to get from their shares and takes any opportunity to do so before the inevitable R/S or increase A/S then R/S. Just too many lies from the promoter, Pawson, DF and gang, and insiders of the shell that continue to spew out as they have through the whole freefall to .0001, becoming a toxic shell, and 15 BILLION A/S demise.
May 18, 2011
Thanks for the post and info.
The name of the board is just a representation for purposes of posting about the company and has no legal connection to any regulatory bodies.
If the board name change is felt incorrect, talk to Admin of Ihub, they are the ones who made the decision and changed the name of the board to reflect the name of the company. Not sure why anyone wouldn't want the board to reflect the name of the company BNPD, but who knows.
Just can't change the ticker until it is official with SEC filings at OTCBB.com. No matter how much it is stated or hyped.
What's in four letters anyway down in pinky land other than maybe more phonetically pleasing.
http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/CorpDetails.aspx?lx8nvq=F935ehzn7CYbsbMPJ4T5xA%253d%253d&nt7=0
Also in Ibox, also the hype on company name change has been stated over and over and over and over ............ for weeks here on the board. Along with PR's from the Company itself.
But now maybe the BNPD company hype doesn't want the name change. LOL