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Where did you pick up on that info.? Any company with an association with the likes of Goldberg couldn't get a contract anywhere.
You seem to have missed my point. Understood their receiving 20% but what I thought I had clearly pointed out is that they do not commercialize (sell for profit) the items that represent that 20%. The gain for the date is historical. the gain for SFRX is financial.
Don't agree. It is not to the State of Florida's financial interests since they don't commercially sell their received division of artifacts and treasure. At least they haven't in the past. Their interest is historical. In truth, I believe the state would be overjoyed if this Site #3 proved to be something else other than a 1715 Fleet wreck. If I'm wrong and there is evidence on public record proving otherwise(sale of treasure) I would like to know. This is a SFRX ballgame with allot to gain. As to the state, I believe they'd be joyous if this Site 3 proved to be something new other than another 1715 Fleet shipwreck as they have been accumulating artifacts and treasure from these particular wrecks for over forty years now. Be that what it may, the existing evidence apparently seen by some does point to a 1715'er.
Oh yes indeed I worked in the D.R. and a number of other other places with different treasure hunting companies over the years. Had the great experience of seeing real treasure come up from the ocean floor and never got fired by any of these people. Just curious caped, what about you? As I have had experience, I post here when and if it might be of benefit. Our views don't necessarily differ as I already said I believe the SFRX site 3 will be a positive producer. I'm not here to bash people or companies I really don't know anything about.
An accurate assessment.
Factually, there are very few shipwrecks documented to be under 30 ft. of sub-bottom especially on the east coast of Florida. If SFRX believes this to be a high-potential site, they can easily lease the services of a sub-bottom profile specialist and probably determine the actually sub-bottom depth of the wreck i n the course of a one to two day survey. I was on a survey ship that did this years back off of Daytona Beach.
Potential
Coming
Possible
Wait
Any other words in your vocabulary? Been hearing these same ones repeatedly for a very long time.
Very interesting . Would you please provide the source supporting Mel fisher ever saying the Atocha was worth a billion dollars back in the 1980's. the magic number commonly used in the press then was four hundred million which by proven creditable marketing sources over the years never reached that amount. Jim Sinclair is a respected marine archaeologist - primarily a conservationist. He's not a researcher, so how would he qualify to place a value on a 1715 shipwreck? John DeBry is a researcher, so did he put a value on this probable site #3 shipwreck and what validates such a statement? Here again, just asking the question. Are you a archival researcher capted?
Although I've already challenged the billion dollar value floating around, I know from reliable sources that what you people call site #3 should prove to be a very interesting wreck. Big question is what's going on behind the scenes with the state and why don't they just move on with it and issue the contract?
Just a simple question. Has this company ever found anything that can be validated? A couple silver coins, an intact artifact of any value? It seems this has been kind of running on the "Simon Says" concept along with pick a number between one and ten. I really don't know.
What does "Kaboommm" mean? Is that when the SEC finally steps in?
Well, just remember that "Broadway" background.
I can add some very interesting news to this. At the time of the Scaglione "sting" Goldberg actually contacted Webber, asking if he knew anything about this incident. Normally there is never communication between these two people. Webber put the pressure on him about his failings as to financially rectifying all the problems he had caused him and the divers (and others). He was also told about the dangerous state the boat was in, beyond that of the law suit. Goldberg told him that he had a deep-pocket Japanese investor coming in with "big money" and all these problems could finally be dealt with. That was months ago and nothing ever happened.
Yes. I also went into detail on this before as well. While on the wreck site of the "Solo Dios Gloria" on the north coast of the D.R. we recovered and catalogued over 200 artifacts including a gold ring set with six diamonds, a gold broach set with pearls and diamonds. Many of the artifacts were unique, valuable one-of-a-kind. The actual value could possibly be around a quarter of a million. We had done but a fraction of the recovery on this site but MEI had no money to support the project. Suggest you read the Goldberg (MEI) letter of indemnification posted here which rather explained their obligation to pay the government fees which they never did.
There is no confusion of all regardless as to how you may have read it. I AM ONE OF THE CLAIMANTS ON THE LAW SUIT. Have you ever even questioned why I know what I do about current affairs regarding all on the marine end of things.
A correction. I don't even know how to spell this character's name. I believe its Krajewski, ex-cop, convicted felon and a I wanna-be in the treasure hinting world.
Webber is very real as his list of credentials so prove. So is the court case which has been already posted. Seems like you've joined the Lewendoski tag=team.
Sounds like the famous felon Ed Luendowski is on the war path. We don't get paid, the Webber's don't get paid and they're scum trash. Interesting. Looks like a tag team is working here.
You know DJ, I continue to find it incredible that after the countless posts and irrefutable evidence presented thus proving this man to be a liar, that's still the source they point to to get the answers. Is it possible the man has gone through liars rehab and only some of us know about it?
I believe he was part of the Denver picture before the New Yorker Goldberg showed up on the scene. I actually met Goldberg in the Dominican Republic. What a piece of work. None of us will ever forget him and the worthless promised he made.
Did they change the CEO? You know, the one that has a real problem telling the truth?
"It shouldn't be too much longer" what? Until the SEC shuts down this SCAM. Is that what you mean?
If someone portrays themselves as an authority and what they post may influence investment decisions, isn't it only fair to ask the question?
Fascinating. A gold ring? Really? What wreck? Proportionally to the grab size it must have belonged to the jolly Green Giant. Would love to see a couple of photos of it top-side after recovery.
How right you are, but as "CaptEd" posted previously, regardless of whether its THAT particular ship or not, its going to be a great occurrence inevitably beneficial to SFRX stock. My problem is with the throwing around of impossible to substantiate billion dollar values.
No need to make a proprietary big deal out of this at all. If you read my previous post carefully, the 1715 treasure manifest is not proprietarily. Its public knowledge. If need be I'll get a copy and post it. Facts are facts and its good for all to keep them straight.
Frankly speaking, i really don't care in so much that I'm not an investor here. What I have stated is that when investment solicitation is the name of the game and mis-representation statements are made (not necessarily by the company) with billion dollar values FOR ANY WRECK, someone needs to set the record straight. Have at it and hope the stock goes through the roof and everyone makes allot of money.
As for me, I have only read it on the postings on this board.
In your picturing, put white stripes on that black clothing - now befitting an old Laurel & Hardy movie.
I'm not contesting DeBrys credentials. I'm simply stating that valid research is backed up by source references. Up to this point I haven't seen any as relating to the treasure manifest of the 1715 Concepcion. Not that he said it but throwing around billion dollar value figures for the purpose of investment enticement needs justification / validation.
If in fact it proves to be a treasure wreck, any treasure wreck as implied - the find would indeed be significant. As you pose the question. How does this poster "CaptEd" know its a treasure wreck?
You are correct as you always are. I know where that photo was taken. It's at the San Souci commercial docks inn the Ozama river in Santo Domingo. The ship was beautifully outfitted by Webber who's a master at that. There was allot of potential as I had pointed out the limited exploits before but a very bad joint venture partnership. All turned out to be a real waste and we all got stuck holding the bag of you-know-what.
Believe me that's not going to happen as far as the marina is concerned. That has commercial scrap and used machinery value. I know that the main engines and the generators were in good condition although old. They want their dockage money that Goldberg hasn't paid. If it comes down to that, the marina will get theirs first and we nothing. Every time I deal with this subject it comes to mind my wish that Goldberg would wind up Scaglione's bunk mate come January.
Yes you are correct but read that carefully. "The Nuestra Señora de Concepcion carried gold coins and gold bars as well as a number of chests of silver coins". You might want to note that when DeBry wrote this article he drew from the Bibliography's listed at the bottom of that article. I don't know which one but I do recall that in either "Florida's golden Galleons" by Robert Burgess & Carl Clausen or "Golden Galleons, and Archaeology" by Burgess and Clausen again, what the 1715 Concepcion was carrying was cited. Furthermore, some time in the past I had seen a copy of this which was in Duke Long's possession which was provided by the researcher Jack Haskins. I am not disputing whether or not this Concepcion was carrying treasure as DeBry actually wrote but it wasn't very much.
When I refer to AGI references as in my past posting, that means the specific Legajo (document bundle) in the Archivo General de Indias. When a researcher provides that then there's no nonsense. As I stated before, possibly I just don't know and there were in fact two Concepcions in the fleet loss. I only know that the one I'm focusing on wasn't carrying very much treasure at all. With a company researcher like DeBry, I'm sure he can easily produce the translated treasure manifest (which isn't much) and the AGI source, and make everybody happy. My apologies if I'm wrong.
The boat has never left the Ocean World Marine since the day we left her over two years ago. Actually, above the water line, she appears decent. Most of the machinery has deteriorated from not being run and maintained. I am told that allot of the on deck equipment (and other things) have "walked off". It's a "dead ship". Probably better meant for commercial scrap than for refurbishing. Whoever would buy it faces a nightmare of legal problems for transfer of ownership which then brings in the ABS fines and many other problems. I am also told that if by some miracle the ship was ever to be brought back to the U.S., a Jones boatyard in Miami would be in line for filing litigation on unpaid bills. I doubt the Stryker people have any involvement in this but I don't know.
I do not post on this SFRX site although I do read it. For the sake of just good common sense I would like to point out the following;
In my opinion the Juno Beach wreck was a bust before it ever began. That site had been gone over by professionals of the likes of Bob Marx and Duke Long who was with Burt Webber when they discovered the 1641 Concepcion off of the Dominican Republic. No treasure or even decent artifacts of value have ever been recovered from that site and I challenge anyone to show documentation verifying the name of this ship and proof of ever having carried any treasure. What puzzles me is why this site was such a big deal for Seafarers?
I know nothing about the Lantana project or why Seafarers is there. I can make comment with regard to expectation of digging progress. I don't know the size of the blowers or the water depth they are working in but if less than 40 ft., twin 36" diameter props or larger (blowers down) can do a 25 ft. diameter hole 12 ft. deep in an hour, cranking at 1,000 rpm's (- or -).
As to the awaited for Site 3, I have with amusement read wild statements of expectations of a billion dollars or even more. I also noted that one of the posters tagged Jim Sinclair as having made this statement. I know Jim Sinclair. I don't know much about this Dr. John DeBry. First of all know that Sinclair is a respected Archaeologist, primarily a conservator. I do not know him to be an actual treasure hunter/treasure finder. Respecting his professionalism, I seriously doubt he ever made such a statement relating to this Site 3 possibly being with a billion dollars. While on the subject of "fantasy" values. Even the greatest of treasure discoveries made to date - "Atocha" 1622 and "Central America" 1657, ever came near even a half a billion dollars and that's stretching it.
I understand that this Site 3 is believed to possibly be a 1715 shipwreck. I believe it was also implied that this may be the missing "N.S. Concepcion" of that fleet. Unless I am wrong and unbeknown to me there were two "Concepcions" lost in that fleet disaster, I may be subject to correction for the following statement. The "Concepcion" that I'm aware of in that fleet loss was actually carrying a trivial amount of treasure which can be verified by archival documentation. As Seafarers has an accredited researcher named Dr.John DeBry, I'm confident that he can provide clarification to this issue with provision of the AGI Legajo references to provide same.
Good luck to you all in SFRX. As for me, I came out of a very bad deal with MEXP.
I received an up-date to this that was provided by the Ramos law firm. MEI has somehow filed an appeal to the court and if accepted this could drag out for months, even a year. We are all frustrated and disgusted but the marina now owed over 100k US will probably step into this picture legally. They too want their money. The difference for them is that the vessel is in their marina, tied up to their dock. Big difference. They are also aware of this being a renegade boat without current documentation and insurance. Regardless of the legal situation, the real liability is how much longer will the Hispaniola stay afloat? Anyone who wants to contest this opinion, just call a couple of commercial dry dock shipyards and ask what they think the status would be of an aluminum hulled ship that hasn't been dry-docked for inspection and maintenance in now over five years. Even worse, no below water-line hull anode replacement in two years while connected to shore power electric supply. Very sad situation. Goldberg really knows how to run a company and preserve its asset. Now, thats very much my opinion.
ANOTHER JOKE BUT THEN THATS JUST MY OPINION (and others with sensibility)
The "RV Hispaniola". Sources in Puerta Plata have said that the law firm of Fernan Ramos is currently trying to sell the boat to Russian client for $750,000. which is highly unlikely. We as claimants have not been informed of anything. Opinion is the price is ridiculous and the deal won 't happen. Client knows nothing about the condition of the boat's hull or U.S. Flag ABS violations. There is also said to be conflict between the law firm and the Ocean world Marina who want the vessel sold quickly before it potentially sinks in their marina and they want their $100K + dock bill paid. Although I cannot produce written evidence at this time, this all strongly suggests that the court proceedings are done and the lawyer has possession of the vessel. Otherwise he would not be in a position to sell it. Also, if that were not so, it could't have been previously advertised for bid which was posted here. I suspect that MEI has lost possession of their only flakey asset. That's my opinion.
I knew joke time was coming.