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IF EVERYONE JUST READS THIS! No DILUTION COMING!
The reason there is short interest, and there is a daily short volume, is because:
The tactic of using Dilution whether it is happening or not has been working. We have had so many days, where people say oh here is the Dilution. And at the end of the day there is none!
Here is why there will not be dilution. Any Note holder's that converted (which by the way are not selling for the reason below!)
AND why does everyone think dilution will go to the 300 Million Max capacity. It may be capped right now at 280 million, or 285 you keep 15 million in case!
The note holders cannot sell all their shares. So dilution will not occur. If they did, they then cannot short anyway, as I am sure once all shares are issued, even the MM's will not allow people to short, non-existent non payable shares!
But here is the important part! The note holder's if they have any balance left, will get paid in shares, or cash,. If they do not have any shares!
IF THEY HAVE NO SHARES, then the STOCK IS WORTH WHATEVER WE CAN RUN IT UP TO! Then if a Reverse split takes place. It could be 1:5 or 1:10 or 1:20!
Debt would be paid off with shares valued at an extremely High price! So, that is why there are o shares really coming onto the market. They need them for leverage. If the company rises up big and splits. Then they benefit from that as well!
Also ever since the announcement of the debt re-structured. There has not really been any dilution! So maybe one or two note holder's have the shares and agreed to hold them until the split!
So if everyone just plays the stock like there is no more Dilution. We will start to go up big TODAY and we want as much time before the split!
JUST DON'T fall for the fake Dilution! Good luck all longs. This is our time to shine! I think if we work together with the company. They will reward us handsomely!
Ya but look When it turns! SHOOTS UP!
I see many gains on that chart that look to be like a 100% pretty quickly!
And I have seen this move a Ridiculous amount in 1,2 or 3 days!
Remember I have ben here since 5/6/2013
NTEK was barely over a penny. Then Boom up less then 2 months up over 1000%
then up to .17 cents later!
Ntek goes boom real fast!
Nice post Niko! Realize if NTEK acquired 100 million dollars for nothing, someone would be on here saying how bad it is!
If NTEK announced that it ACQUIRED APPLE... some people would find a reason why it is bad!
NTEK DOING GREAT THINGS EXPANDING IN EVERY DIRECTION!!!!
NTEK gets hammered on here for no reason all the time. It is ridiculous!
NTEK is on the way up steadily. As I said. .025-.027 were Christmas presents!
That price got so Ridiculously low that without news a climb was starting!
WITH NEWS BOOM!!
Are you guys still trading now? Or Stopped because of news?
I was just wondering is anyone in this stock allowed to trade or has it been stopped because of the news!
HVEL and NTEK.
Very Nice!
NTEK AQUISITION = GOOD! Great news for NTEK
Ntek continues to Expand!
Let me guess......
Some people are going to criticize the acquisition hahaha!
Man I didn't even look yet and I know I am 100% right!
Good work Ntek Management, expanding this company!
Suck a low PPS yet in so many areas and has so many divisions!
I agree Load Time. But Nobody really Selling!
If you look at the last few days.
The MM's have been manipulating the price by undercutting the ask.
this requires almost no shares!
The MM's are also trying to load!
When MM's are trying to load that means to cover short positions, not dilution!
If it were dilution the MM's would have plenty of shares, but they have not for a long time now!
So with everyone trying to buy shares and no one selling,
they are keeping us held down by putting the ask so low!
selling? MM's trade between eachother! Counted as Sells!
There has been some serious manipulation to the buy and sell chart as of recently!
Heavily in favor of buying vs selling then one late trade will count as a sell.
Why? They can count it either way. One MM is buying one is selling.
It is not a buy or sell,
but they can choose to count it as either?
Anyone here, that's been Here, Have LEGITIMATE INORMATION?
Does anyone who has followed this, have a realistic PPS prediction and why they have become so HOT!
Besides the postings from certain groups! which I do not consider to be real information!
Anyone know if this company is actually going up in value or just the shares temporarily?
Thanks Truth
4Q results! are before the Full Advertising Campaign!
I agree at 25-30 Million would be great Results for ECIG!
And would IMO mean FOR SURE 50 Million in the 1st quarter of this year!
Now if Results are anywhere above25 Million That is HUGE!
If they were 50 million or even 40 Million in 2014 4Q
I see no way they are not going up SIGNIFICANTLY 1st quarter of 2015!
Distribution deals are farther along, they are in more shops, Advertising!
So 2015 Q1 has to have a huge Increase compared to 2014 4Q!
I wouldn't be surprised if they did 50 Million in revenue in quarter 4 last year. But the post was right. Best to set expectations at a lower level then if exceeded BE VERY HAPPY!
25 Million is a ton for the companies market cap now!
Exactly O'Neill has already Improved ECIG GREATLY!
The new terms of the loans are much more reasonable. ECIG has Money n hand and operating Revenue!
Along with who knows how much cash from the Past 4 Months!
By March 10,
THEY will have almost 2 full quarters worth of revenue and profit!
So 2014 4Q +2015 (1st quarter) - 3 weeks
of a company that is looking at around 100 million in revenue in this time!
So yes they may have planned it out so by March 10th they will have enough. To make some moves!
Am I new? No since 5/6/2013 IN NTEK!
So I know everything you are saying.
and I still think NTEK is a great Investment.
At these prices an Unbelievable investment!
Exactly! the higher the PPS! Quicker Debt GONE!
So this company without any debt
would have a valuation that Is HUGE!
Even with regular Debt, it would be huge!
They just needed to get rid of the toxic debt!
So before R/S and after!
The higher the price is trading. The more valuable all shares and the company are!
And the R/S could always be cancelled or barely increase shares!
If shares after a R/S are back to $2.00 (very conservative to $5.00
Debt will get paid quickly!
My guess Ecig told Noteholder Being paid Cash!
There was something where ECIG had to notify them and could pay off the remaining balance of the notes!
After receiving this the greedy note holder wanted as many shares as he could get before ECIG was allowed to pay off the note in cash!
That fits the time line of about 10 days ago and the shares issued!
BUT NOW IF THE NOTEHOLDER has no more interest in driving the PPS down or selling low. it wouldn't help them!
So the Noteholder would become a long.. or already sold!
I see US BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY SHORTS THE ONLY PROBLEM!
Why is every MM so desperate for shares? And the only time they sell to drop us they use 10,000 blocks and low amounts and conserve as many shares as possible!
So, AFTER reading through the NOTES! Dilution Done!
Everyone is assuming that those last shares were for Note holder's and people who are going to sell!
Since they have to Keep a certain Number of Shares Available for the Note holder's
It would mean either a bunch of the notes are paid off or re-structured
There seemed to be 15 million to 25,000,000 shares needed to be held available for the Note holder's.
The only shares the company could issue were for employee stock options, reimbursements and already agreed upon compensation!
So it would make sense that most of the last shares released went to company employees and Insiders!
And now they have 20 Million shares left! Being held!
Why not? HAVE YOU SEEN GOOGLE, AMAZON VOLATILITY?
So your telling me that AMAZON can go up
today
ALMOST 43 DOLARS A SHARE and OVER 13% almost 14%
on a Market cap that is now at 143.66 BILLION DOLLARS!
Yet NTEK could just go up 10's of millions of dollars in Market cap and the stock would go up 100's of % points!
If your so good at these, why do you waste your time here.
YOU COULD BE MAKIG A KILING SELLING NASDAQ AND NYSE STOCKS!
Zuckerburg, Gates, Jobs? FACEBOOK Microsoft, APPLE? ALL RUSES?
Their insiders made millions wait scratch that billions selling shares?
Costco Wal-mart are Ruses. Insiders made millions or billions?
I have heard some nonsense before.
But to clarify if a stock sells shares and the insiders make money then the company is a RUSE?
Well better stay away from the NYSE and the Nasdaq and all other exchanges!
All a Ruse everywhere I guess!
WOW....JUST WOW!
Sometimes. RUMORS and SPECULATION CAUSE MONEY to COME IN
That's why many stocks have huge jumps or drops based on rumors,
because people want to get in ahead of the news!
So yes Posts and Message boards, articles, any info passed along to anyone...
can cause significant movement in a stock. Especially one of this size!
Thanks again. But I have seen stocks this week move a RIDICULOUS amount based on speculation or a report or some information that was inaccurate!
Am I an INSIDER? NO! Share structure Same info you can get!
So if your asking me do I have information that is not out yet, or if I am an insider and can give you information.
The answer is no?
Look to see how many shares are outstanding. That is all I can do!
so Do you know?
NTEK is officially going to Start HEADING UP!
NTEK already gained from the lows of yesterday!
Ntek has too much going for it and too many divisions!
Market Cap. Ha what is that for 1 Division?
NO IDEA WHY ANYONE WOULDN'T BUY! FREE MONEY!
The R/S could still be cancelled
If the R/S occurs the 1:5 up to 1:20 that means that at a max of 1:20 (and it would more likely be 1:10 or somewhere in between !:% and 1:20 depending on price!)
They want this to be in the $$$ Dollars after the split!
they pay off debt by issuing shares! they would rather issue less shares. Obviously which means the higher the price the less shares!
SO anything under .10 is just an ABSOLUTE MUST BUY! No way around it!
ARCA BKRT VFIN, are MM's DOESN'T MEAN DILUTION
EVERYONE (scratch that most of you)
Seem t think that increase in O/S means selling. Not at all!
That means more shares are outstanding!
That person/people could very well just be Holding the shares, and in my opinion is!
This is the perfect thing for shorts to use as a way to sell their own shares and make it look like dilution!
No one has been diluting over the past while, really ever since the announcement of the Debt-refinance!
There has been small volume of sells!
Pus yesterday 25% of the volume was an MM trade!
The "dilution" or selling will STOP BY BUYING!
I do not think it is dilution as in them selling their shares and a lot of them. I thin it is shorts and a small amount f dilution. But they are repeatedly selling the same shares to drive the PPS down!
Like yesterday someone short can buy at .05 to cover, but then sell those shares if hey think they can drop the price more and cover lower!
My opinion the O/S MAJORITY was given to people who are not selling AT ALL!
This is shorts trying to cover their HUGE outstanding POSITIONS!
You see if someone shorted expecting shares from a conversion. But they are not getting those shares. Then they have to buy to cover!
Since Management and the 85% of Note holder's are smart. They could have just maxed out the O/S and left the Shorter out to dry!
Because now that is 15% of Notes either gone, or not working with everyone else!
Note holder's are just as ruthless against other note holder's that are trying to lower their value!
85% plus THE COMPANY AND SHAREHOLDERS BEATS 15% all DAY anyway!
IMPORTANT! About ECIG's Restructure and Plan!
I am not sure why this has not been mentioned before!
But ECIG and 85% of he note-holders struck a deal! So it is in the best interest of the SHAREHOLDERS, ECIG AND NOTE-HOLDERS OVERALL to Raise the Price!
The shares have not been being sold on the Market!
Why would ECIG and the other Note holder's allow the Toxic Note holder t get all of the rest of the shares and sell them and drive down the price? They wouldn't!
sO THE DEL HAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME, SICE WE KNOW THAT ECIG MANAGEMENT WAS ALREADY ALLOWED 5 MILLION SHARES!
IS THAT ECIG EXERCISE ALL OPTIONS OF EMPLOYEES AND OR MANAGEMENT TO INCREASE THE O/S!
AND ALSO THE OTHER NOTEHOLDER'S COULD HAVE EXERCISED THEIR CLAUSE TO GET SHARES SO THAT THERE ARE NONE LEFT FOR THE NOTEHOLDER'S THAT ID NOT AGREE!
DEPENDING ON WHIC NOTE1 ECIG Can either default on the note and pay the fee. Which may be Much Much smaller then giving away a ton of shares.
Gave them written notice that their notes will be paid off in 10 days!
Or once we start trading higher and we will before the split ad increased O/S.. then they would only be able to convert to shares that are from the last 15 trading days before March 10. So instead of .05 a share conversions they would be .25 minimum!
ECIG MANAGEMENT HAS DONE ALL THEY CAN DO. RETAIL INVESTORS, WE NEED TO HELP OUT OURSELVES AND THE COMPANY BY RAISING THE PPS!
There is a beautiful plan in place!
ALL SHARES ARE ALREADY OUT THERE! REGSHO AGAIN!
With the O/S at 271,000,000 and the regsho being on for the last 5 days. That means 10 business days, because they don't even start to list until until after 5 days!
Someone owes over 1/2 of 1% of shares to the shares MINIMUM!
SO I am sure the SHARES that are Owed + the shares that are restricted or being held for someone is at 300 Million!
WE NEED TO PUSH THE PPS UP. We are just allowing free shorting and covering of the stock!
$ECIG question? If someone banned by SEC Is trading your stock how would you find out?
Someone has claimed that they know who the person is but their lawyer said not to say.
If someone with a lifetime trading ban is trading your stock, how could you find out?
Also do you know how to find out who is shorting a stock?
Thank you very much for your help!
Totally disagree. I think Shorts Because of News Yesterday
I think we really have a chance to make a push and SQUEEZE SOME PEOPLE TODAY!
There are not many more shares on the way!
So people need to cover their short positions.
and may have taken out more today because of yesterday's NEWS!
which means that if they still are on the regsho from Jan 23rd till Jan 28th and took out short position today!
The shares are Maxed or more then maxed!
We just need no sellers and I think the flippers are out for now. I think they are more looking to buy back in!
Big DAY BIG OPPORTUNITY for US to show the management we can work together!
People talking dilution with 1 million SHARES JOKE?
Someone saying that this is a sign of dilution? really as opposed to the normal volume we do in the opening!
WOW that's up there! If they sell 25 Million More shares we might be at 1% of shares! haha
this is getting to be just a hold down and accumulate price!
This is only hurting us longs!
The trading price of this stock matters... due to debt.
It also matters for the R?S if coming!
So les get this above .10 as soon as possible! then .20.
Obviously fortify our base while doing so!
EVERYONE Please read about 5% owners! Interesting INFO
For People who like to stay under the 5% (which a lo to people or firms may not want to be listed as insiders!
They can stay at 4.99%or as close to 5 as possible!
If you look at Recent increase in O/S
That means that they can buy a little OVER 13.15 Million Shares Now!
So anyone that was at 5% probably just keeps buying an extra Million or so each time it goes up!
MY guess is we have a bunch of people who own slightly less ten 5% and can buy more now!
OUR REAL PROBLEM is FEAR! Mention ARCA, Dilution and everyone becomes scared
Arca has not really been a problem lately, and other people can trade through ARCA!
Scare Tactics!
First 1:100 split (Shot down)
Debt Re-Structured
O/S SHARES will barely increase!
Everyone keeps saying that we the retailors have a right and say to!
CORRECT and what we do with that will determine the price of the PPS! The amount of the spit if it occurs, and WE can TRADE HIGHER TO INCREASE OUR SHARES PRICE. THIS WILL PAY BACK DEBT MUCH FASTER!
We NEED TO START NOW! IF we can raise the PPS enough then any split would be minimal and Note holders would not get many shares!
Be smart everyone increase everyone's investment plus their own!
We never really have Dilution. Shares Shorted Before!
If you look at the increase in O/S with (5 million going to our new hire)
Regulation SHO defines threshold securities as any equity security of an issuer that is registered under Section 12, or that is required to file reports pursuant to Section 15(d) and where, for five consecutive settlement days:
•there are aggregate fails to deliver at a registered clearing agency of 10,000 shares or more per security;
AND
•the level of fails is equal to at least one-half of one percent of the issuer's total shares outstanding
So now there are MORE then 13 Million shares out there and Not delivered.
Since Dec23rd they have been on Regsho everyday except for Jan15-22nd
But they put you on after 5 days worth of non delivering. So they were clean for one day to reset the clock on January 15th!
So these people are playing a dangerous game. There is not enough shares to cover their short positions. We know it is greater then half of 1% could be 2%
Which would mean that that's over 300 Million!
I do feel a large shot squeeze coming!
I expext thats what someone wants you to think!
A lot of tricks played in the OTC
IF IT LOOKS LIKE BAILING.
THEN IT PROBABLY MEANS SOMEONE WANTS YOU TO THINK THERE IS BAILING.
WHEN IN FACT THEY JUST WANT YOUR SHARES AT THE CHEAPEST PRICE POSSIBLE!
Honestly, Don't see Bailing Not that Much Selling!
I mean if you look at how many shares were short, and say they bought to cover.
I mean really how many shares would that make today's
"Bailing" as you called it?
Not nearly enough volume!
seems to be being suppressed on purpose!
NTEK looks like a BIG BUY! Current PPS!
For all longs I know many of them are buying!
but even if your not an NTEK supporter.
And possibly have other motives to lower the PPS.
Everyone must admit at a certain price NTEK is a BUY. and That price seems to be well above the current PPS!
This looks like it was driven down textbook style!
Why does something's worth = what someone will pay you for it!
Not hold true to ECIG shares and it's stock?
I have seen so many times people trying to pay more and ending up paying less!
So the true Value of ECIG is what....
If it is being manipulated... once that sops it goes up to it's real value!
No one seems to grasp the OBVIOUS except a few longs!
Note holder's INTENTONALLY sold shares for LESS THEN THEY COULD GT FOR THEM!
Why for other motives, like shorting and to drive down the market cap because they wanted more shares!
So clearly they knew they could not drive ECIG out of BUSINESS, or if they did their ASSETS are worth FAR more so they could be paid back!
Think about it!
What? Were did these numbers come from? hmmm
So you want me to ask the other 99%of companies,
who were about to list their stock on the Nasdaq for $4.50 a share, were trading at $20 earlier in the year!
That had a 600 million dollar market cap, that got pushed down to he measly percentage it is now..
why they did something. I am sorry I d not know a 100 of these companies therefore I could never get 99% to agree to anything!
WELL we all Know that Debt DROVE them down here. More importantly toxic debt, that allowed them to be ruthless against the companies share price.
Now with his debt gone and restructured.
AND ECIG ACTUALLY MAKING STRIDES IN EVERYTHING else as well!
Debt restructured and eliminated bad debt terms equals ECIG going back to it's previous fair price!
So if Ecig Goes up or if he market Doubles or Triples or goes up 10 times 20 Times...
Ecig still is just gaining back ground that it already had, so the answer to your question is
YES ECIG IS WORTH FAR MORE THEN IT'S CURRENT VALUATION and could Easily SELL this business for a FORTUNE more then the market cap and DEBT!
Maybe 0 shares have hit the market recently
We do not know, that any of the SMALL AMOUNT of shares recently even hit the market.
I think the shorts are trying to fool everyone!
47milion left? You really think that all 300 Million A/S can be released?
I say no chance that the MAJORITY if not all are already on RESTRICTION and being held for people/previous agreements!
I mean hat is not many shares for all the parties involved and Future obligations. MY GUESS is conversions are done!
when the )/S goes up that does not mean Conversions!
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY IT DOESNT MEAN ANYONE IS SELLING THEM!
Here is an IMPORTANT THOUGHT! Please read![/
Everyone saying that they could dilute the shares after the R/S, why would they do that?
If by that you mean use them to acquire another company or pay off their debt!
THATS NOT REALLLY DILUTION AS YOUR SHARES WOULD GO UP! Think about it now if they issued (this is an example) 300 Million shares to be debt free!)
Your shares would be 50% less of the outstanding... but What would that due to the Value of the company??
Your shares would instantly skyrocket! So you would end p benefiting!
MOST IMPORTANTLY, IF THE STOCK KEEPS TRADING LIKE THIS, THE COMPANY RENOGIATED TERMS! SO WOULD THEY JUST BUYBACK AS MANY AS POSSIBLE BEFORE THE R/S? AT THESE PRICES YES AND PROBABLY MUCH HIGHER!
NO ONEIS SELLING IS THE PROBLEM, OBVIOUSLY BIG BOYS CAME IN AND LOCKED UP A TON OF SHARES!
Are people not getting their orders filled? Delayed?
I was just curious if this happen to anyone else...
The MM's Seem to not be able to cover sometimes when we go up and they put up a wall but when
enough volume knocks it down. They seem to delay filing orders, fill them lower and/or lower the ask!
ALSO DILUTION IS OVER WITH. ECIG ANNOUNCED THE AGREEMENT WITH THE DEBTHOLDER'S MONDAY.
So they probably had been discussing it for a while.
As for the 15% left IT NEVER SAYS TEY WERE OFFERED AN AGREEMENT, IT DIDN'T say they turned something down, or were not paid off by a letter saying we are going to pay you off here is your Notice!
Remember SOME OF THE NOTES DID NOT HAVE BAD TERMS. and the 15% affects THE COMPANY, ITS PPS, and therefore THE OTHER 85%!
So there is a reason that 15% is no big deal, or the others would not have changed their agreement!
Dilution is done! Any miniscule increase also remember does not mean dilution!
THE REGSHO IS BACK AS OF JAN 23rd because OF SHORTS not NOTEHOLDERS!
GREAT POST! Honestly ECIG Would not have fallen so much
Eig's Management lack of Preferred shares and power to do anything was a huge problem.
Some people criticize management for letting the price fall.
BUT UNDERSTAND WITH THE CURRENT STRUCTURE... A group of Us with 20 million shares is Justas responsible as the CEO or Board if they own 20 Million OF THE SAME SHARES!
There is a reason that company's never really have all common shares, and if they do management always has something to retain over 50% of them!
so no preferred shares, means They could not intervene and stop the freefall, like they would have been able to do!
Remember he hasn't sold any shares so the CEO got crushed too and other board members!
If you read the PROPOSAL LIKE I STATED BEFORE AND WAS NICELY WRITTEN IN THE PREVIOUS POST I REPLIED TO!
IT CAN BE A HUGE WIN FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED!
BUY AS MUCH AS Possible! No Lose Situation
While I understand some longs are very upset, at the price decrease. I am not happy about it either!
But the way to let go off your past share price and losses is to BUY MORE NOW!
However much you are down on Previous shares!
You will be up more by buying a ton of shares here at A HUGE DISCOUNT!
If you had 1000 shares at $5.00, that's $50,000
if you buy $50,000 dollars worth of stock now you would be in for $100,000 and have 1 Million and 1000 shares
so if the price goes up to 10 you are even!
Look at the opportunity for gains now!
not dwell on your previous share losses!
So when it goes to .20 or .50 you are up double or 5 times your money!