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I had another post written but had to delete it. If things work out with any of the four I am exploring, Roy will be the right person to announce the details.
I'm just excited to be making the contacts for ATTD!
wxman1- There is a lot going on with this company right now. Doing the expansion the right way is incredibly important-- it takes time. I can tell you first hand I am making contacts with athletes in multiple sports that would benefit from Phase III if it can live up to it's claims.
There are distribution rights, marketing, pricing on multiple scales, endorsements deals, point of purchase advertising and many other thing that all need to be taken care of in every market ATTD enters.
It takes weeks to get meetings with athletes, strength and conditioning coaches even longer the higher up the chain you go.
For a pro athlete you have to try and get to them while they have "off" time because they won't do anything that changes their routine.
I hope to have the product in the hands of a number of people within the next two weeks. If it gets to any of them you will know soon enough.
The only problem with those ideas is they are thinking only of ATTD in the short term. APS has a very bad reputation as far as who they get involved with.
If you are trying to build a reputation, you don't do it by selling out so to speak. There is absolutely no disputing that APS would get the share price to rise. (probably dramatically)
I will guarantee you however that the SEC would be all over this stock for a long time to follow. I have thought the same thing about another company I am in that is also starting to make money, the problem is that the easy way is rarely the best way.
CEOs are best off running the company for the benefit of the company. Shareholders are along for the ride. We just have to determine how long our tickets are good for.
If the company is strong, shareholders will realize it soon enough. BIG things start to happen when the products prove themselves. If they can larger investors will carry the future for ATTD. Keep in mind that the majority of real money, won't even join the game until the stock LEGITIMATELY reaches higher levels.
If they can't that would be the time to call in APS because the stock will die anyway. I follow APS and have considered playing their picks knowing they are pump and dumps. A great deal of money could be made if you play them right. One mistake will wipe out any gains you have. A mistake by them, or enforcement that should be happening by the SEC and your money is stuck in a halted stock. I don't want them near any long term plays I am hoping for.
Hopeful3- APS is great at what they do BUT for anyone long in this stock seeing them would be the last thing they would want.
They make stocks run hard for a very short time but they ultimately crash hard. Many of their stocks are also known P&Ds. Everyone that follows them knows ahead of time they are P&Ds but it doesn't matter because they will make money short term.
APS would be good for flippers but would kill any reputation Roy is trying to build.
Heather- Now you can see the post I made in response to you earlier was exactly what is happening. I am writing about the stock price to keep this within the TOS. Big volume has made the push up and now those responsible for the push are exiting and posting negatively. The volume was huge and now it is slowing considerably.
The action is "Mysteriously" being supported by the DTCC. This is how the manipulation has taken over the markets. It is used to drive the price up and down creating huge profits for those that know how to work the system. (and they do it quite effectively)
I will add to this post soon as I have been working on possible endorsement deals for Roy. I need to know how things will play out to complete those deals but I am currently working up to 19 hours a day so I don't have a lot of time to devote to those deals on any given day.
There are investors working behind the scenes (with Roys blessing)that even you aren't aware of --- yet.
Surebob- believe it or not, some of us longs will actually have to say thanks in the future. With all the work you do every day trying to keep the price down, it has given many of us a chance to load at lower prices than we otherwise would have.
Within two weeks I will have reclaimed a decent portion of the position that I used to hold.
From now on I am racing the clock to get the rest of it back. The clock is ticking.
For those that don't think there is interest here, check out the most read board from time to time. CWRN is usually there amongst the leaders.
rookie- I just have a question on your own warnings and logic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the assumption about note conversions suggest the stock price is anticipated to go up?
Best conversion rate is at the lowest -- best time to sell is when the price is being pushed up. That's the easiest time to liquidate right?
So what your expecting is for the shares to change hands at a higher level that would then become a support am I right?
Since we are expecting this to happen at some point, isn't it best to have it over and done with now? Some may convert and hold while others may convert and sell. We really have no way to determine what percent will take each action.
Helping with marketing
We can all help if we do it the right way and know our own limitations.
The easiest way for all of us to help is to just spread the word.
What's the right way? For the average person, let retailers and our fitness companies know that we are INTERESTED in buying the new products offered by ATTD. Ask them if they would consider carrying those products if people start requesting them. This approach simply plants the seed in the retailers mind. One of three things will happen, more people will make the same request and the retailer will look into it, a sales person from ATTD will approach the retailer who now can say tell me more about phase three because I have had some requests for the product, or no one will ask for it. For two out of three of those scenarios, our requests HELP!
For those that are well connected or experienced in sales, touch base with contacts, let people know ATTD's products are being marketed on a broader scale and may soon make their way into their markets. If you know the contacts well enough, ask them if they might be interested in carrying PhaseIII if a demand presents itself. Again the seed is planted. I would then suggest you relay the information to Roy.
I am currently taking the second approach with Roy regarding some contacts I have in Wisconsin. Being close to Walgreens headquarters in Illinois, it will be interesting to see what happens if a distributor picks them up in Wisconsin.
I do stress however it is always best to run anything more than an initial contact through Roy. He may already be working on marketing through a competitor of the person you have spoken with. That is just one example of why you should go through him with any contacts.
We can make a difference if we do it the right way---and then if we continue to buy the products.
Good luck to all in ATTD
ceng- the offering posted is legitimate. You can contact the company directly if you are interested. Anyone that has participated in previous offerings gets those updates sent to them.
I agree that Riggs is doing the offerings way too often. I would much rather see one large one than see these happen so often. IMO the offerings can't be going too well if they have to keep doing them.(I know the naysayers will say they are going real well that's why they keep doing them)
IMO the current offering is a great deal since you can sell half the stock immediately. Unfortunately, an offering like this will not allow the share price to go up any time soon.
I think this company has the potential to go places but short term Riggs doesn't really do anything for the share value. the business deals are great, but they don't help if they are always announced along with dilution.
That is also a trait of Rodman & Renshaw deals
OK - so now we agree on everything except your Coke I'm Pepsi.
There's another commercial similar to the one Pepsi runs now. Coke drinker, Pepsi drinker, both abandon their usual products for Phase III. Could be done a lot of ways, and the spoof could be hilarious.
Because of the points you mentioned, I really feel it will not be a good thing to market right next to Coke and Pepsi. $1.20 vs $3+ doesn't sound like a good match to me. Especially if you are trying to get someone to switch. My example would be store brands are selling at record levels as you point out due to the economy.
I hope Roy will get placements in line, then run a huge promo with an advertised huge "temporary" price reduction as an intro. The key point being he has only so much time to get it to move. It's better to beat that dog down from the front end. (only a reference animal lovers)
A real key is actually cost of production and what freedom that allows him to do things like we have both alluded to
Seer I appreciate the input. I don't underestimate Walgreens. They are huge in Wisconsin also. I will be curious to see whether the monthly promotion you refer to actually takes place.
I am aware that the prices of EVERYTHING in all our Walgreens stores are much higher priced than any other stores. I will be interested to see what price this sells for there.
Obviously I am aware that those distributors will market to all their outlets. (if they didn't they'd be pretty poor distributors)
I would be curious to know why Florida was picked to be the test market area.
As I have said, I am following this stock for long term to see how it develops. I have nothing negative to say. I am just asking questions for which the answers will give a good indication of the direction we will head.
Always good to share information. GLTA
And with that event we would all be toasting to the battles that have taken place every day on this board. I'm sure there are a few here that would find much more pleasure than others.
What do you think micro?
The only problem is too many people might see what grajekk's happy dance looks like.
Sorry E LOL
Fate of the Bronco-- I think that the day any news about long term contracts or up listing comes out the Bronco should become an endangered species.
Then the day the stock hits a certain target point, all the new equipment at the mine ought to have a battle royal with that Bronco.
Then the scrap remains ought to be mounted at the mine as a reminder of what happens to all those from the past that doubted BOB
I agree with most of what you say. (the timetable I'll leave open as I know everything varies from company to company)
My question would be- Why hasn't a marketing campaign been announced yet. With the roll out happening that should already be in place for the markets it is being sold in.
A heavy promotion in a small market area would boost sales. If the sales are strong, other outlets would be asking for the product. Then as sales continue to grow the introduction to new market would be supported by strong sales figures.
A strong promo in a limited market is less expensive than a national campaign. After sales begin in the small market, they could then be used to fund a national campaign during the expansion phase.
These expenses are also why I don't expect the balance sheets to look good at first. Everything will come in time if it is supposed to.
Rocket- thanks for all you do here on the CWRN board. The permit just shows one more time some people are wrong about pretty much everything! LOL
Personally I think they just spend too much time rolling on the floor.
Lucky- good honest posts. I think you understand the industry from the posts I have read. Thanks for trying to keep it real with ATTD. What the CEO says is important, but only with the proper understanding of what it means. We'll all see what Roy has over the next year.
Distribution is an important part of the equation I agree. It is not the most important part however in the beverage industry or anywhere else.
I've been in and around the beverage industry for a long time 35 years. While it's true you can't sell a product without distribution, it's more important to have market awareness and product acceptance or demand.
Those two things will only come with a good marketing campaign, point of purchase advertising, endorsements,(even if they are just BS)and so on.
Remember Pepsi Light? Probably not. Fantastic distribution network, it was sold everywhere Pepsi was sold. It doesn't exist anymore.
Also, remember this product was already tried through Coke from what I understand. No problem with distribution there either. Didn't work for whatever reason.
I'm not negative on Roy, the product, or anything else. I purchase performance products myself. Finding a good one would be great for me.
I do however know FIRST hand what it takes to be successful in the beverage industry. Phase three could do it, but it will come in steps and take time. Think about it, how long did it take to negotiate with Walgreens? Then it needed to go to distributors, then it needs to get to the stores, then it needs to sell, then the revenue STARTS. Just the distribution and placement, takes almost a month. Some stores will have it quicker, but not all.
Just that process takes almost a quarter. It will be the same for every network-- even longer in some. Any idea how long it takes to get a product into Walmart? No matter how much you call a store, corporate is responsible for product placement.
PhaseIII could become one of the bet sellers in this nitch market. It will take time along with many other factors to make it happen.
GLTA
Don't expect too much too soon. Even Roy said not to expect much from the next report. It really won't be the following quarter that will tell all that much either. Those numbers will be deceiving due to the fact all the initial stocking orders will begin to show up. With those numbers (or preceding them) you should expect to see a pop in the share price. (that should off set the hangover from the 1st quarter Q)
Towards the end of the 2nd quarter, you should begin to find out about restocking numbers along with any additional sales outlets. There may be some exclusive contracts for large chains that agree to carry this product in the beginning.
Debt will mount since revenue always trails costs during expansion phases.
A good indicator of how things are going will be what kind of marketing campaign supports the product launch. Marketing campaigns are expensive, but if the company isn't willing to put a good one together the product will not sell itself. It won't have any recognition yet.
An example of bad marketing with a good product would be Cobroxin. It was voted best new product at marketing conferences but could not crack the pain medicine market. I know it's a good product because I have used it myself. Reviews from others have also been great, BUT poor marketing along with trying to break into an established market, has pretty much wiped out the company.
Stock went from .15 to almost $1 during the launch, but now trades
at less than .10.
Hopefully Roy does a better job with phaseIII
Also, there will ALWAYS be day traders, flippers and shorters affecting the price. They happen at every price point!
Actually I could have responded to either one. The reason I posted was due to the fact that so many people misrepresent the short numbers. How often do you see people post that a short squeeze is coming due to those numbers?
In reality anyone that understands those numbers, knows that on a daily basis they mean absolutely nothing. Could actually be that every one of them has already been covered and out of the 100 000+ posted, zero actually exist.
I'm watching this stock to decide whether or not to take a position.
Seeing someone post over 70 times in one day about a stock is not a good thing IMO. Seeing misleading numbers posted every day is also not good IMO. It makes people seem desperate to get buyers to come in. In reality if things are being done right, there will be plenty of buyers when the time is right. Those that are here early will just see a better multiple on their money.
This company may make it and ultimately become very successful- that's why I'm watching it. It still has a huge uphill battle to gain market share. Launching a new product regardless of how good it is is not easy. It is also incredibly expensive.
I've been inside both the beverage industry and the fitness industry. That is why I'm curious about the product.
You also see that the sight responsible for evaluating short positions states that there is no reason for any short squeeze at this time.
Sort of goes along with the idea that those short numbers being touted daily don't mean anything.
Quote as the numbers show, there should NOT be any short squeeze at this time.
Lucky your thinking is correct. There is no knock on the other poster and he may have done a great job, but for Roy to even think it's ok for investors to approach the big players is wrong. I sold for PEPSI, and there is definitely a certain protocol to be followed with the big players.
Enthusiasm by everyone doesn't hurt, that's how you get it in local gyms and such. Corporate accounts are a whole different ballgame.
Anyone in marketing should and does know that.
Again notabadstock no knock on you. Your abilities and enthusiasm could be better than any of ours.
I believe you said a cool million. C'mon ante up.
Sorry mine will only be 100000 at a time.
Before too long, I think it's going to get fun in here again.
I'll finally be able to start slapping again Monday or Tuesday. Been wanting to for a long time!
And I'm sure some senorita would have been told she was loved!
Oh the mental images of you riding that digger all the way to Ensanada! LOL
If you were left in that situation they would probably need to fix the riverbed, repair the trench running through the new highway, and have someone come with bail money LOL
Good luck E
2H20 It looks to me as though he was giving a strong personal opinion regarding CWRN- just as you seem to do. I didn't see the word certain anywhere in the post, did you?
As for the poor business comment towards Bao, how would you know if they haven't already visited every other miner in the area?
Unlike your one car example, Bao will most likely sign exclusive purchase contracts with as many mines as they need to to fill their necessary quotas. To use your own example, would you return to a dealer you had already visited if there were no possible benefit to do so?
It appears there is a reason for multiple visits. Now it's just time to close the deals.
Paco - I have no arguments against the product or the stock, just some of the ploys being used for and against it.
Also, since the video you linked was touting a healthy drink, you might have thought about removing the chew before you made the video. The two ideas don't really go together. I say this as an athletic trainer that supports the drinks but not the chew.LOL
If that's not what you have in the lower lip I apologize, but it sure looks like it to me.
As you can see by that explanation, a reported short may have been covered (even more than once) the day it was reported. There is no way of telling whether they even exist on a daily basis. (according to FINRA)
The only thing I am not sure of is whether the shorting done by MM's to complete trades is included in these numbers. Maybe someone else can answer that.
The investors that need help are the ones constantly touting the daily short numbers. They are absolutely worthless as explained by finra to another poster.
Some here already know that but are misleading for a purpose!
This explanation is why the short squeezes that are so often called for, rarely take place. Most of the time they don't exist. Only the numbers given twice a month have any meaning.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong but this is what I have been told by multiple sources and the below contact with FINRA seems to bear this out.
From the G Board regarding FINRA posted by
bkbirge Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:03:37 PM
In reply to: bkbirge who wrote msg# 10059 Post # of 10075
OK all, got some answers from FINRA about the daily aggregate short numbers. Turns out my interpretation is right but there's a big caveat that essentially makes what some others were saying actually truer in a practical sense.
So if you have a total volume day of 10,000 shares and 5,000 shares of those were reported in the aggregate short, what this should mean is that at most 50% of the total volume was shorted and still open at the end of the day (to make market most likely, but *can* include retail shorting), and at the least 0% is still open as for each reported short there was enough total volume to have a cover cancel it out. This cover would/should be reported in the daily total volume. So 1 share is shorted it shows as 1 share in short volume *and* 1 share added in total volume, then when that share is covered it is again added to the total volume since it was another transaction but not taken off of the short volume count. So in theory, the daily REG SHO numbers can give us upper and lower bounds on what is possibly still open shorts at the end of the day. Track it long enough and I imagine you could get a trend and glean some useful info.
However, here's the big caveat. The numbers are "media reported" (FINRA guy's term) and are not guaranteed to be correct because a single share can be stepped on so many times during a day and often only one of those times is it actually reported as a transaction. So if the MM's want to hide transactions they can do it very easily and it would screw the above theory up pretty royally.
According to the guy I talked to at FINRA, the daily numbers are just provided as "another data point" and though he said the above theory is how it is supposed to work, they can't guarantee that is how it is working on a day to day basis.
Thanks to those that prompted me to look further.
Let me try this your way. Lack of revenue? what lack of revenue? There have been people saying over and over there are no revenues. With no financials posted how can anyone possibly say there are problems with revenues? Show me something that says they have problems with cash flow. No IMO I want links to prove your accusations. If you can't provide them you must be wrong.
Have investors that were reportedly paid back after first shipment (Bob included) continued to help finance operations. I'm sure they have --- unless you can prove otherwise.
Has anyone looking for a long term working arrangement with CWRN offered money to secure a lower price per ton? I'm sure they have ---- unless you can prove otherwise.
It's easy to play the unknown game!
I'm not worried--in fact I'm bummed I had to sell any at all. I will be adding shares every two weeks until I get back to 1 million. I too think the risk far outweighs the reward possibility--I have for over a year now.
I think that's what the rest of us have been saying for quite some time. Some of us have no risk since we were able to(or had to in my case LOL) sell some during the run.
Just goes to show you the incomplete thought process sometimes of a person that only WANTS to be negative LOL.
Makes sense to start "with all due respect", and then call someone an idiot and a clown. Are you serious?
With all due respect of course LOL
Come on Rocket, what are you holding?
It will be fun when things happen to sit down for a couple. You will have to visit grajekk and and a few of us that live close by each other.
I'm guessing grajekk has pictures of his dream machine coming
Second guess (just to cover a few bases) would be new port pictures.
What do you say Rocket?
Thanks kames! that first explanation about it being a reporting function for a trade that had happened during the day is the line I have always been believing. It's more a reporting of something that happened earlier rather than something that is taking place after hours.
That in my opinion is why the number it happens at doesn't indicate it's effect. It could have happened early or late in the day when the market was either rising or falling.
Good humor and I agree with you. All the explanations I have been given point to simple accounting by MMs. But I am always searching for explanations regarding T trades. Unless I personally meet an MM, I will continue to look for explanations.
When it happened my posts warned that it did not indicate the stock would trend higher. At least I'm right once in a while.LOL
Kames - first of all let me say I am only watching this stock and don't own any yet.
If the T trades are such an important indicator then why did the stock the day after one of the largest T trades (28 million I believe)
tank the entire next day? The Ttrade was posted higher than the close.
Asking because you seem to have 2nd hand knowledge and I have seen so much conflicting information on Ttrades.
Surebob- I'm curious as to why you think it is such a big deal that Bob doesn't actually own the mine. It's really not important to own the land IMO. The mineral rights are the important ones.
The Bakken oil fields in the Dakotas would be a similar example to me. The landowners have no control over the mineral rights.
I believe it is different in Ensanada as we do have to pay royalties. They simply represent a percentage of the cost of materials. What's the big deal?