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haha i think he did. the digging is underway. Just to be clear, if I did not think it was possible, or they could develop the pharmaceuticals in drop form, I would not be here. As always, take the posts with a grain of salt. If I knew everything that is, was, or could be I would be making the pharma drops myself.
http://fusescience.ir.stockpr.com/all-sec-filings/content/0001144204-12-022285/v308945_ex10-19.htm??TB_iframe=true&height=auto&width=auto&preload=false
Page 37 (of the pdf, not the actual page numbers) for more info on the relationship with Cure. As for the possibility of FDA regulations see page 24 and 39. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/118951985/DOUBLE-EAGLE-HOLDINGS-S-1A-Filing
I see a lot of manufacturing, nothing about R&D. Anyone with a link or official document saying otherwise would be greatly appreciated.
Scoot, Info: as i said, i know next to nothing about Cure. Also, I said they would have to be involved, not that they would have to be the company. just proceeding with caution as all language has been vague to this point. "Short period of time" and "near future" mean very little. Hannan's podcast interview was a PR move. Fuse is an exciting company with big ideas. I am just not willing to assume all of their big ideas will be coming to life within such a short period of time.
They would have to, however, I know nothing about Cure beyond the fact that they manufacture products from many companies. It seems likely they will be doing the manufacturing of any Fuse products. However, they seem to be a factory, not so involved on the research side of things. Please let me know if this is incorrect.
I believe I have stated that it would be in Fuse's best interest to license out whatever they have to a pharma. The reasons drugs are so expensive is because pharma companies break the bank developing these things, and then only get to sell them for a couple years before they are allowed to go generic. They have to recoup their expenses in a relatively short time. So, yes, Fuse avoids manufacturing costs, but unfortunately that is not where the majority of expenses lie.
As always, I may be, and hope I am, underestimating the progress Fuse has made.
Fantastic news. Sounds like they could be much further along than I thought. The potential for pharmaceuticals really is massive. If the legwork is already underway, it may be a reality in the near future. Really just depends on how far along they are.
I am pretty sure they would have to file an IND (investigational new drug) application because it is a combination product. As always, I could be wrong.
silly people. buying this stock. anyone want to sell me some shares for $.13
Good. I believe I said that was a good idea a while back. If I did not then I meant to. However, any implication that this drastically new delivery system will not be thoroughly vetted by the FDA is incorrect.
I am just saying it is not something Fuse can afford to be doing right now, and therefore the idea of Fuse producing pharmaceuticals in the "near future" is not likely. Could you provide a link to this streamlined process.
Off the top of my head, a study showing that the drops do not damage the inside of the mouth. A study showing the drops are capable of delivering an effective dose. They may even have to start with an animal study showing what a lethal dose of the drops will be. Beyond that there are strict quality control and production requirements that would have to be met. Getting into pharmaceuticals, even over the counter meds, is a relatively painful process compared to producing and releasing supplements.
oh, for sure. it is very possible. the low of the day was .16, so that really is not too much of a stretch. .13 is downright bullish coming from BG.
i would just suggest that people settle in for the long haul (6 months to a year so we can see if the products can gain traction) and not worry about what the price does on a day to day basis.
just listened to the second half of the podcast. there's really not much to argue against what Hannan said in the second half. 90 days. drops in retail. the nutrient delivery is feasible. it will take time. the company is really only 6 months old. the drops really will take on a life of their own in a way that enerjel cannot. all just my opinion. I would say the company has its work cut out for it for the next 5 years. if you are looking to get rich quick, go find yourself a real pinkie.
fair enough. which part do you believe? which part did i argue? there are cheap shares out there that people are more than happy to pick up.
BG is never really wrong with the posts, but they just show a lack of specificity and insight. there are plenty of reasons to be worried about the share price in the short term, and nobody likes seeing red day after day. i think BG's posts, and others that support caution/point out warning signs, are important and welcome. However, the ones that offer something beyond the price movement (which we all see), repetitive, vague arguments (which are restated over and over), and unsupported claims (yes, i admit this is an online message board and subject to speculation) are more useful.
the buyers are buying the cheap shares that people keep selling.
"hypothesis": we have no idea, but we think we could do this.
"in the near future": the word near should probably be ignored. when dealing with pharmaceuticals you either have something or you do not.
the best thing the company could do would be to take the suspension formulation, which hopefully increases absorption, and sell that to a pharma company. there is too much bs associated with the FDA and broken regulation of pharmaceuticals in this country for it to be a good use of Fuse's time and resources.
the strength of this company is in the supplement market where regulation is lax and the market is exploding.
its worth very little. if Fuse was able to execute a pump and dump scam at this level, with all of the outside organizations involved, good for them. can't even be mad about that. that would just be wildly impressive.
Are you implying IR lied to me about the drops? Could you please provide any communication you have had with IR that is vague?
Aw BG, you should know better than to call people out on this board. Why are you criticizing the people who provide the DD on which you base your humorously redundant posts? Step your game up. Come up with some posts that include support for your arguments. This board needs someone who is willing to post the points that people are uncomfortable with, but that needs to be done with the DD and evidence that Info, LG, and York put into theirs.
Also, I checked with IR yesterday (got a reply within the hour). York seems to be right on with his description of the drops, although I did not ask about the color. My confidence in this company grows by the day.
shore, the best thing adler did was get out of the way and let people who know what they are doing take over. he has been trying to play poker professionally. it will now be a solid mark on his resume which I would guess his father is helping to build. lets not get confused about who is running the company. i respect adler for understanding that for this business to be successful he would need to take a less prominent roll. then again, if i were making 200 grand a year to stay out of the way I wouldn't complain either.
excellent post.
haha right on cb and scoot. rookie mistake.
Pump and dump? I would love for someone to name a single pump and dump that had half as many partners as Fuse does. Or a pump and dump that sponsored a charity event. Or a pump and dump that has actual product out. Or a pump and dump that has a stock price that does not violently fluctuate with every single PR. Or a pump and dump that has half of the operational structure, transparency, and support from established companies/organizations/people that Fuse does. Seriously. Name one.
BG, in all seriousness, I would really value more specific answers from you. You seem to have a different perspective and opinion than most posters on this board.
1. offering incentives to sell phones and charging companies to stock your product are not the same thing.
2. Because they are a publicly traded startup they have the ability to sell shares to raise money to implement these deals. When I say these deals I mean the ones with the athletes. If they choose to pay GNC for prime placement, that is a choice. They do not have to do that. Please be more specific with which deals you mean.
3. "Bet you can't." is not actually support for your argument. The fact is you also do not know who is selling. People who bought the stock when it was selling for 2 cents. They don't have to sell it all, but if I held a million shares I would absolutely lock in a profit right now. Europe's economy is about to enter a recession (if they ever got out of the last one is debatable), China is slowing down, it is presidential election season, oh and the market is due for a rather large correction. Anyone who is invested in more than one stock has to consider the entire portfolio.
4. What are the signals saying? because frankly with all the spindles and long shadows the price is saying nobody has a clue as to what the price will do. What is it saying to you?
What is your evidence to support insider selling? How do you define insider? How do you know the MM's are not selling to each other? Why would you think they are paying GNC to stock their product?
All of these questions would help me get a sense where you are coming from, and how your posts can be useful in the context of all the posts on this board.
Glad you know about retail. Any HELPFUL suggestions about trading stocks?
they should make some drops with alcohol for shareholders.
haha well done. so, looks like I was wrong. Either way, the more Fuse gear the better.
York, did you raid the storage facilities? Nobody wants it to be Hydro more than I do.
kidding. maybe York has some info on what it could be.
cool. maybe Adler bought him a gatorade.
All other things being equal, the simpler explanation is better than a more complex one.
My guess is that the bottle is full of Gatorade. That is not to say that he does not use the drops, but despite his breakup with Gatorade, old habits die hard.
Think of the Fuse bottle as a bonus of the bag contract. Kind of like the umbrella.
Lesson of the day courtesy of Gordon Gekko and the surprisingly not terrible Wall Street 2: "Don't run when you lose, don't whine when it hurts. It's like the first grade, Jerry...nobody likes a crybaby"
we should be seeing a quarterly report int the next couple weeks, right?
thanks for the helpful post.
Apple could buy LQMT with the change in between its proverbial couch cushions. I am having a little trouble understanding how CIP works. From what I have gathered, it is a company set up to ensure Apple has access to all consumer electronic related developments? Or is it any advances at all?
the point of that post was more to show that i am not completely full of crap. not to sound like a jerk.
2 science degrees, working on a third, 6 years in research including the last two doing work with toxicology and molecular biology. I have absolutely no doubt the drops will be unlike any product out on the supplement market. the pharma side i am less sure of, but I would not be surprised to be wrong. The speed at which advances are made is staggering.
they will. it will be game changing in that a couple drops will replace a few ounces of liquid, and the drops will hit the bloodstream more quickly.
As far as this goes, a drop would beat the hell out of a gel packet (which requires you to drink a rather large bit of water with it), or a disgusting 5 hour energy, even nastier red bull, or 16 ounces of monster energy drink. I have absolutely no doubt there is a place in the market for the drops. it is just a matter of getting them there. GNC seems committed to doing so, and that is a great starting point.
i totally agree but there is a limit as to how many molecules can be added to a liquid without increasing the viscosity to something like jelly (think GU gel for distance athletes). The point of a drop would be that you can get the molecules directly to the bloodstream without having to go through the stomach (acid that breaks down pretty much everything) and the intestines (which take a long time). I am in no way knocking drops, and personally would love to see more medications delivered this way. IV's are a pain (to do and to get), increase the risk of infection, and are not really practical for home use.
From the supplement side of things, a burst of sugar and salt goes a long way (anyone who has used a gel packet during a distance race could vouch for this). Throw a little caffeine in there and they will deliver on what they promise. So, I am as interested as anyone to see how they Hydro drops work. The energy drops are pretty straight forward.
hydration is an issue of volume. i promise you a drop will not hydrate you as well as a gatorade which will not hydrate you as well as a bottle of water. that's just the way it works.chances are the drops will have high concentrations of salt and probably sugar. You will salivate. You will feel better. You may even be better able to absorb the water you drink after the drops. However, there really is no way the drops will directly hydrate you.
everyone take a look at monster beverages. they used to sell hansen's soda. then they had some good marketing ideas in a quickly growing market (one that is growing more quickly now and it just happens to be the same one Fuse is in). You want a stock that pops just for doing what they are supposed to do, I suggest you take a look at the hundreds of other penny stocks. How many active companies with share prices below a dollar do you know of that do not violently fluctuate? The key word in that sentence is active.
When did volatility become something investors want (if you want to make money...it is not)? As far as penny stocks go, this is an easy play. Average down when the price drops. When it goes up, sell some shares and cover your original investment.
Nothing is amiss, wrong, or being covered up. Will the O/S increase? I have no doubt it will. The only thing I am worried about are the unrealistic expectations people have for the share price. As for the company and its operations...not a thing.