>> I AM NOT A BASHER, AND I HOPE THIS MESSAGE ISN'T DELETED SO AT LEAST WE CAN GATHER EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS ON THIS <<

Dude... that is so lame it's pathetic. First off, lose the CAPS lock, it means you're SHOUTING in cyberspeak.

Second, Sirus Radio has 1 billion+ shares outstanding and still has a share price of $4, so Sunncomm with roughly half the outstanding shares and at least as large a potential market, is in good company.

Small companies sell shares to raise funds... that's why they issue shares, so they can sell them or use them to pay for stuff. Last year they issued 200 million... now they only need 50, sounds like lots of progress to me and with revenues beginning in ernest they should be able to kick the dilution habit soon.

>> I'm just curious if you walked away from the meeting with that impression based on the argument that there is shorter due dilligance for the second. Or if they hinted that there are more to come. <<

Both actually...

I would be surprised not to see something in the very short term, but I remain confident that we will see an unrelenting stream of news from here to Christmas and I think this will become something of a snowball.

The stock price has been reflecting great pessimism for nearly a year and, at least in my opinion, has been heavily manipulated to create a negative impression...

This again goes back to our friends at the hedge funds whose only interest is in seeing the company fail so they can walk away with tax free gains on their shorts (That's right Virginia, if you are short a stock that goes BK, then you never need to cover your short and therefore never show a gain, so no taxes)

The stock price has not reflected a going concern for some time... now that revenues will begin to come for real, the stock will eventually adjust to factor in that reality.

I've been reading some news about the Beatles finally putting their music online but wanting some sort of file/copy protection and the articles seem to infer that the Beatles are leaning towards going with Microsoft and the new Online Music (ala iTunes) Store they hope to launch.

Due to Microsofts interest in DRM, I have thought for some time that Sunncomm might eventually be an attractive target for Microsoft... I now think if we can nail down DarkNoise, that possibility goes to nearly a certainty.

I've held some cautious pessimism for some time but I must admit, after attending the meeting, hearing third parties speak and talking directly to employees their optimism is infectious and imo can only be attributable to some very major events finally transpiring at Sunncomm...

Mark Petrov (sp?)stood up at the shareholders meeting and correctly pointed out the influence that Naked Shorting has had on small companies like Sunncomm... you can thank a large portion of the dilution we've suffered over the last year to the effort by some Heddgies to depress the share price. They do this knowing the company is raising funds by selling shares and so must sell a LOT more shares at .05 cents than at .30 cents. This in turn means the comapny has to authorize a LOT more shares to sell and this depresses the share price...a nice circular cycle the Hedge Funds have become master at triggering... it's usually referred to as a death spiral only in this case, revenues are beginning to ramp and so the need to self finance will ultimately disapear.

MVSN is suffering the classic problems that often confront arrogant market leaders (Apple?) where they fail to identify potential threats in the arrogant view that they somehow have the golden keys to the wash room... unfortunately for them, it is beginning to look more and more like Sunncomm may pull off the improbable feat of a clean sweep with the record labels.

As Peter pointed out in the ASM, the first customer is going to do the most due diligence and qualifying with them will be the toughest test the technology will ever receive. Assuming we land another major OEM, which I expect shortly, we will suddenly go from one OEM that could be dispelled as a fluke to two and that then suggests a trend. Nobody wants to be the first, but likewise nobody wants to be the last... now that BMG is getting serious (finally!) with their rollout (yes Virginia, they're rolling out worldwide - 750 million CD's per yr)

You might also folow this logic chain... if you're BMG and you're paying for copy-protection on CD's, then WHY would you tolerate online services (Apple iTunes, Sony Online) selling unprotected versions of your song therefore rendering your copy-protection efforts moot? My guess is you won't and you'll demand that those services use Secure Burn to ensure that your intellectual property is being handled appropriately.

DarkNoise isn't as far along by now as I would have hoped, but Eric (our tech guy) seems convinced that they can solve the final 20% of technical issues remaining. DarkNoise is the Holy Grail as far as copy-protection goes, but hey, BMG is happy with what we have already... happy enough to begin a worldwide rollout. DarkNoise then would be icing on the cake.

Peter pointed out that is has taken nearly two years to qualify and be used for real at BMG... even assuming MVSN can eventually develop a product the labels would want to use, it would appear we have a substantial lead time wise... perhaps as much as two years, but certainly a year at the least.

I think we have a very realistic opportunity to show 0.10 EPS next year and with a conservative P/E ratio of 20, that would net us a $2 share price. As Petrov (sp?) pointed out however, Naked Short covering has led to some pretty wild rides, in one case he mentioned, a 2800% increase in share price once the short squeeze was on in ernest.

In the short run, I would not expect to see the shorts go away easily. They will use every trick they have to discourage shareholders and lower the share price. I really do not think they will go away until we broach the .50 cent level and that will be one immense battle as will .20 and .30 levels.

Good luck to all... it's been a long wait, but it would seem it may have been worthwhile.

>>Translation - you have no evidence.<<

explain to me how I am going to come up with "evidence" that Hedge funds have been aggressively naked shorting this stock? Would it help if I told you I know where the majority of shares are parked and they're not selling? I didn't think so. Would it matter that we've checked with 3 MM's to date?? I didn't think so

Your role is apparently as a foil to anyone who would suggest anything positive about Sunncomm... would you mind giving some color as to your holdings if you have any or are you another in a long line of good samaratins that frequent message boards to protect investors?

I see you're good at counter punching, but I did sincerely ask you questions you didn't bother to answer. Convince me to take my chips off the table and go home...

>>Cumbersome if you are a moron. You can even turn off auto run and you don't have to do anything.<<

While your criticisms are true, you're a sophisticated computer user. Most people are not and are unlikely to invoke the workarounds you highlighted and all of us by now are painfully aware of. I am also not to concerned by this because I don't expect those "workarounds" to work much longer.

So far the results back from actual market exerience is that the drop off rate is substantially less and that is why BMG is going after using this with other artists as they roll out the catalogue in 04.

>>Here we go again with the Shorting bs. Didn't Peter put a scheme in place last year or 2002 that stopped that. What is your evidence of there being a very large and organized short scheme?<<

Pretty difficult to come up with "evidence" when the SEC and DTC turn a blind eye to these goings on. We checked with 3 MM's at which someone we know is owed some favors. This produced a little over 50 million shares naked. I don't expect you to believe me, but it's there.

Please explain what "scheme" one could put into effect to prevent naked shorting of ones stock. I am aware of a few that could potentially cause short covering that have been used with various degrees of success but aside from a major revamping of shorting laws to prevent abuse, I do not see any way to prevent this.

>>Nice position if it were true. Not according to Sterling Auty, who said they were battling to slow price erosion<<

Who else offers DVD copy protection that competes with Macrovision? The DVD labels asked last year for a reduction in price. They were told "no". I suppose one could construe that as "battling price erosion".

>>That's good. Let's pretend the other 200 million copy protected disks out there don't exist. Let's pretend that EMI, Universal and BMG are not using CDS200 in Europe and Japan. <<

You already know the market is the US. You also already know the disks you refer to had playability issues. Why isn't BMG using this technology in the US already?

>>Let's here them then. What skeletons are in SunnComm's closet.<<

I dunno, why don't you tell me? I was going to wait till they filed their audited financials, but you seem to be very knowlegable. I have no illusions that everything was perfect in the begining as this company was orginally something completely different and had to morph into what it is now.

Is it your contention that the BMG contract is not for real? Are you willing to state it is your opinion they will receive no more business from BMG?? Is the Sonapress deal a fake?

I have a substantial investment at these levels, so I am curious if you have any negative information I'm not already privy to as you do seem well informed on this subject.

Where does one begin?

Peter's sue ploy may have been knee-jerk but there is an old adage, "any publicity is good". Whatever else was accomplished, the Sunncomm name did become a much more recognizable one and given a few months, no one will recall exactly WHY they know the name, they just will.

My understanding is that Peter pulled this on request of his customer(s). For the record, the labels knew exactly what the strengths and weaknesses of this product were/are.

At present, and I emphasize present, the copy protection scheme can be interrupted by holding down the shift key, preventing the copy protection software from ever being loaded onto the Hard drive. This is a standard windows feature and not a "flaw", even though it does allow a cumbersome workaround the Sunncomm copy protection scheme.

Of course, one will have to recall to do this shift key thing EVERY single time you load a CD with copy protection. Should you forget but one time, it will install and then holding down the shift key will forever more be a mute point as the copy protection will already have been installed.

100% copy protection has never been the goal of the record labels and is yet another reason that Macrovision is having zero traction in the space. If you look at the DVD copy protection market, you will notice that Macrovision has a monopoly position and can and does dictate pricing.

Curiously no one has pointed out that(Macrovision)their DVD protection is easily circumvented by any one of a hundred free DVD ripper programs on the web. Why is it that the labels will pay for easily circumvented DVD protection but not for CD protection with the similar issues?

The truth is that Macrovision has a great deal to lose in both the DVD and CD markets by having a competitor and is doing everything they can to eliminate any potential competition before it gets a foot hold. Ironically if you were to ask any of the labels, they WANT more than one supplier so that they can keep them both honest with pricing pressure.

Sunncomm is currently a victim of a very large and organized short scheme. Macrovision has been lauding it's upcoming CDS300 product to numerous hedge fund allies and has convinced them that Sunncomm will go away and so is safe to naked short to extreme levels.

Naked shorting is where an entity that is an MM, typically a hedge fund, shorts shares that they have no certificate to cover with. This has become an epedimic with small pink sheet stocks and has often led to the price declining so much ynder the attack, that the company can no longer obtain financing at any reasonable level and so begins a dilution death spiral in order to stay afloat.

The beauty of the fraudalent behavior is that there is currently next to zero enforcement by the SEC, of regulations to prevent this activity AND if you succeed in driving the price to zero, you never have to cover your short, OR pay any taxes on your gains, since technically you never closed the trade... a gorgeous scheme to defraud shareholders and profit to the max.

>>at this point, your widget is in deep trouble<<

Uhmmm... Sunncomm has the only copy protection product in the world, has a contract with a major label, BMG and is working on landing the others. They have passed all independent tests to date with flying colors and they are adding features to the technology as we speak... dead?? I should think not.

Is Sunncomm a perfect company?? Hell no!! Does it have some skeletons in the closet?? Probably a few, but sometimes thats what you end up doing when you're a small company> It's not always pretty, but going forward they have a very real shot with an evolving product that is best in class.

Macrovision may just find that turnabout is fair play.

Macrovisn is a going concern with profits and a reasonale expectation of being around in 12 months... if you were a record label, would you commit yourself to a new technology without some concerns over the longevity of the company providing the technology??

This is one of the reason's the BMG connection was so big for them and now Sonopress... these contracts add credability to Sunncomm's assertion that it will be in business a year from now. Should Sunncomm land another major Record Label, you will see a sudden shift in the remaining labels to take them seriously.

This is but one of the challenges that faces Sunncomm in their effort to become a real company... something I believe they will be successful at doing, btw.

As far as connecting Macrovisn directly to these shorting efforts... good luck. These things are usually done in collaboration with Hedge Funds looking for a kill... Macrovisn has no doubt provided information to the Hedge Funds, that Sunncomm would not make it and so by inference, shorting is a low risk activity.

Macrovisn has no doubt been telling them that their own CDS-300 product is about to be unvieled and that this would be the end of Sunncomm as they are too small to compete with the undisputed leader in the copy-managment business.

It will be interesting to see how the Hedgies respond as they begin to see that CDS-300 is a bust. There are several large Labels that have extensively tested CDS-300 recently and the most damning comment I have overheard was "They are building a product that no one will want"

Sunncomm will also shortly be announcing their DVD copy-management technology. My guess is that Macrovisn is quite vulnerable in this market space as there is already widespread dissatisfaction with both the performance of the current technology that can be easily circumvented and the pricing. I believe Sunncomm can achieve significant market penetration quickly in a presently closed market with no other options and a great deal of dissatisfaction.

>> As soon as the filing, and then the move off the rose-coloured sheets that are so bothersome to our clear view of an upComming, Sunn-dominated future, are attained, we will, I believe, be rewarded for our persistence <<

I would not be so certain that filing or even moving off of the pinks will be the answer.

There is a systematic effort going on to massively short Sunncomm stock in an effort to keep the price as low as possible. As a part of this strategy, you short heavily any news that might be percieved as positive, such as the Sonopress PR... this has the desired effect of demoralizing existing shareholders and also diminishing the accomplishment that has been announced.

These efforts continue because it is an effective tool in making life difficult for Sunncomm to raise additional capital and gain credability with potential clients.

One thing a company that is buying your product wants to be sure of, particularly from a small company like Sunncomm, is that the company will be around in a year. When BMG or Universal or Sony sign onto using the Sunncomm technology in mass, they are not only taking a risk witht he technology, but with Sunncomm as well. They are assuming Sunncomm will be around, will be able to fullfill their contractual agreements and service and develop the product.

By driving the stock price to these absurd levels, Sunncomm's competition gains an easy advantage as seen by the end user, the Record Labels. Macrovisn can easily and has, point out the fact that they are a well established, going concern that is in no danger of dissapearing.

This sort of sabatoge is pretty common when there is a large established company being threateened by a small upstart with new/different technology. Very often the large company prevails in these situations... Sunncomm could well be an exception however as their business is not particularly capital intensive.

Sunncomm's greatest credability will ultimately come from other well established companies such as BMG, SONY, Universal and Microsoft. My hats off to Mr Jacobs for perservering in a very difficult business environment.

>> Where is the audit? If they wanted this to get over .08 it would have been here. It's a joke now. <<

This isn't Federal Express... they are working on it as fast as possible. They've never filed before, so there's a ton of work to be done and the auditors are asking a ton of questions, as well they should.

I wouldn't expect to see the 10Q until 1st or 2nd week in Jan. I can't see how this really matters if it's this week or in 3 weeks. They have plenty of other things to accomplish in the meantime.

The longer term plans are coming together and the proof of that should become apparent over the next three months as the work of the last three years finally pays off.

Getting the stock price up is not and should not be the primary focus of the company, but executing the business should be. You are correct to be anxious for progress and I believe there has been considerably more progress than is presently public... I know there are several pivotol events that are close to being in place... I will wait to celebrate after they are accomplished and announced