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Let me perhaps start by saying that I own still 60 million shares of this and this was, at the time, a lot of money for me.
Allow me to give some advice to whoever is interested: get over it. We have been had, but it has been 3 years since this last traded, so it is over and out. Sure ... I hope that someday someone wants to pay something for my shares, but I'm assuming that won't happen and meanwhile I'm not wasting any energy on this It's a loss, it all gone.
It surprises me that this board is still active. A lot of wasted energy it seems to me.
A lawyer won't get you anyware. It is throwing good money after bad money. I also believe that people even considering to pay new money to a lawyer will never learn.
You need to learn from this: investigate what you did wrong and how you could have avoided this. What will you do in the future to make sure this will not happen to you again? It a valuable lesson that can be learned here.
What happened is nobody's fault but your own. You could have avoided to get into this situation, but the first step is to realize that it was all your own responsability.
I personally failed to avoid getting stuck with 60 million shares, but I learned from it. I accepted my responsability and know that this will not happen to me again.
best to all!
Looks like stocks will rally today... WDYT? 0.0003 by EOD? 0.0004?
dead? Didn't you hear about the trading platform?
webby was right: OS is not 32B!
A trading platform? Are we doing a PNMS scam now?
who said anything about Tuesday?
There is no indication indeed, except for the indication that Virginian gave as a reply to your message.
Guess we'll know pretty soon if anything would have changed.
The indication is that Mayhem got bought out? If that is the case this should be made public very soon right?
BKMP could have its voting interest back in that case ?
Correct!
Somehow both options where only 1 is the bad guy make the other one very naive ... so somehow they must be running this scam together.
If things happen the way Pedro says, Pedro is taking action way too late and he was naive to trust MT.
If it happened the way MT said, he should have felt something was wrong long time ago when Pedro kept on refusing to transfer money out of the exchange.
So: they both did it.
I think that it makes sense what MT is claiming: next to receiving certificates, they were also actively selling PDRs to whoever wanted them. Theresa told me those PDRs came from "someone in the fundation". So MT and the office also received money. They did not send in this money but used it for expenses. They just entered the new holder is the system, as the shares were already in the fundation. So now Pedro claims those shares are missing....
MT did indeed do some 'expenses'. They gave some money to desimplex and he probably indeed had costs for supporting the platform. If MT did not receive any money from the mother company, he had to use that money indeed.
I don't remember the details of the desimplex scam. I remember that they made huge promises to desimplex about investing in them, but nothing ever happened. Would be interesting to know who made those promises: Pedro or MT.
I also remember some other 'scams' ran by Pedro that were posted here.
This is some real funny stuff that has been going on here. I wasn't following for a couple of months, but now I just read all the posts on the blog: is this funny or not?
I see 2 options:
- or these 2 guys ( Pedro & MT ) are having the time of their lives making this crap up
- or MT has been had.
I'm kind of thinking the second thing. Pedro is the real crook and MT is a victim. MT really believed what this Pedro guy was telling and now it is all over ...
On the other hand: if MT really believed this ... he's probably not the smartest...
Maybe there is something true in what webby was stating: that Sandy was collecting more ownership of TFN, together with Garrow and was planning to somehow bring that into BKMP ...
Why do you not use your real name?
Where can I post a comment?
So this is over? Pedro and MT took the shares, sold them and kept the money? Or are there some believers left here?
Anyone dumping at market? What are you getting?
Not only Sandy or Samai should be there to represent BKMP, but all other TFNG shareholders, such as Mike Garrow.
If I understand this well, the problem is that Mayhem can decide to sell TFNG to Mayhem because they control all the voting shares. ( while if we look at the global share structure of TFNG, Mayhem controls only 10% or so )
Isn't this a conflict of interest? Whoever decides to sell TFNG should look after all shareholders of TFNG. Now, they can just decide to sell this cheaply to theirselves, therby ignoring the rest of the shareholders.
I have no clue what the documents mean for us.
However: if we are screwed, so is Mike Garrow and other TFNG shareholders. Somehow I think it is not that simple....
You may or may not remember that Webby 'predicted' a start of a run last christmas. ( remember the 'Santa ...')
So he has been predicting a takeoff for over a year. Why should we pay any attention to him still?
Done? Have you see how the markets perform lately? And we stay steady at 0.0001! A strong base.
I do see your point too.
Still: it is hard to imagine that TFN would be worth a billion without affecting BKMP.
For me the only question is: will TFN ever be worth a billion?
Anyway: in a couple of daya Q408 starts. 6 months from now, Q109 is fisished. That was the timeframe for a US deal for Burger .... so we'll see in 6 months where we are.
BKMP owns 3 million shares of TFN and BKMP belongs to its shareholders. Pinkie or not.
If TFN becomes worth a lot, so will BKMP. Pinkie or not.
The problem with most other pinkies is that they just don't have anything of real value. It is all about pumping ( ... and dumping).
The only thing that could go wrong here is (even) more dilution. It is because of dilution that we are worth close to 0 now .... more dilution means less value per share. But I'm thinking that there is no need for more dilution as we are debt free and I do not expect more money is needed for TFN
That is untrue.
The 3 million shares belong to BKMP as a company. Officially, Sandy has nothing to with BKMP anymore. Whether he is or not involved somehow behind the scenes is irrelevant for the ownership of the shares ... those are our shares!
larry, read the rest of the post.
If TFN is worth a billion, we are worth 150 million .... that would be around 0.005 PPS, even with 33 billion shares.
So all we have to do is wait for TFN to become worth a billion ... so relax and take a seat.
I'm still very positive about this one.
Sure, Sandy has diluted this more than required, and while doing it he was putting out deceptive PR's. We had all the typical pinksheet crap ... and now we are stuck at 0.0001 with 33 billion oustanding shares.
But, we own close to 15% of TFNG. That is what it is all about. If you believe TFN will enter the US, we have nothing to worry about. Sure, we were all hoping that TFN would enter the US in 2005, but that hasn't happened. Now, it looks like TFN is taking a more professional approach and in the last interview with Burger, we read that the US should be happening in the next 6 months.
So 6 more months and then it all begins ... I still hope that it will be 2 or 3 months, but 6 is fine too.
When the US happens, you can easily justify share prices from 0.0005 to 0.001. When TFN gets more US carriers and more advertisements, we could see higher prices.
What keeps me positive is that there has been no reverse split yet. If the company wanted to dilute further, they would have reversed this a long time ago. Now it seems they are waiting for it to happen for TFN.
The other positive sign is that they were able to place 3 billion new shares at 0.0001. Someone has just put the money on the table for 3 billion restricted shares. Surely, you can not find anyone that would do that if there was not some kind of guarantee that the investment would be profitable.
So ... wait and see.
How 'bout a monster PR right after the close before the 3 day weekend?
Used to be Sandy's specialty
Actually I haven't seen it? Nothing on yahoo, google, otcbb.com, the link above here? Where is it?
wasn't there a date set for the launch? Is it days, weeks, months or years away?
20 mil now.
Someone buy 686 shares and get this thing launched!
Because apparently the "going global" is not a certainty. The minute the first signs of "going global" are there, BKMP will fly too.
Thanks, but I won't go through the trouble.
I don't really have a complaint or I don't care enough for starting something.
I've I could support an ungoing investigation with some quick emails however, I would be happy to help.
Does she have email? I have mails from theresa, offering me to buy PDRs. I never accepted the offer, but I'm willing to help.
I'm not going to call as I live overseas, but I can forward some emails.
FYI: Wyatt has the habit of changing opinions from extremely negative to extremely positive. A bit of a manic depression kind a thing.
Next week he will be all positive again, so nevermind the post
tell sandy that we're ready!
PRing there is a deal with the CD-holders
PRing there will be a buy back of 5 billion shares
PRing there are negotiations for a buyout going on, an during that final PR, the CD is dumped on the market. That isn't fraud??
LOL!
Amazing how they keep coming up with new BS. The blog also states they follow IHub very closely. Another sign that these guys are serieus about there business.
A .05 offer, were any shareholders consulted? Guess they would take it.
big day here today I heard.... so what's happening?
Kinda like the 15th of march 07 ( or what was it)
Something must be coming. Otherwise they would have reversed this a long time ago. What are they waiting for?
Good news and bad news I would say. The bad news is that we are not near the US yet, the good news is that we will be getting there. But it might be another year....
And of course TFN will not mention BKMP in their PRs....
I hope you are right. At least you would be making some money with BKMP...
maybe we are waiting for these new shares to become unrestricted before something happens. That should be around 2010.
GO 2010!