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After a quote like that... Yeh.. what was the reason he left?
If this bloke made this statement or it was attributed to him...and if this was his remarks, then just why did he get shown the door.
I believe if you look into it, it was because he brought an offer to Serge by two national Distributors that would have sold over 200k valves last year, netted SVMI over $1.5 million dollars. Serge isn't in the valve selling business ...he is in the stock promoting business. Ask anyone there, ask CEE who takes SVMI shares as rent...that's one of George's favorite lines "When are you guys going to realize that Serge isn't interested in selling valves.... it's shares" ...Serge couldn't handle the order and to our knowledge dismissed this guy because he called Serge's bluff. Serge was running around doing damage control so fast ..it was a joke around the office watching this squirrel meeting with these guys ...since all his people we're behind the offer and wanted him to explain his motives...He was trying to get rid of Cornell and news like this would have cost him the loss of his control of SVMI.. That's it in a nutshell. Yorkville would have been too dear to pay-off. and Serge wasn't about to loose control.So much for business savvy....As they say behind Serge's back "Not so Savvy"
Get your facts straight, we did, and we have seen that "inside" offer....
We know what we are talking about....do you or do you get your posts straight from the lips of the seer himself!
Just our Opinion
"Being an insider and exchanging one bad product or another doesn't make for sales... Only Hype!"
It seems that the old valve never worked and now there is a new version which also hasn't boosted any sales.
Herb, if your announcement is the PR you've been bragging about all week and is the PR we've been looking for ...I don't see any point in even announcing it.
So we are to conclude that the big announcement for the week is the retread Asian Fair and your exchanging out your worn-out blocked up DynoValve? So much for real business.
IceEquity you have me confused with an ex-employee...wrong as usual.
So much for the News, Herb...Thanks for you Happy investing comment though you're always good for a laugh!
Giving out the truth and letting the chips fall where they may!
Henny Penny the sky is falling!
More Chop Suey! Last year SVMI Boasted of Great things to come!
If attending these free shows is selling DynoValves it's a joke.
Serge boasted that he had new Distributors and great sales from last year's Chop Suey Feast at the Pomona Fair grounds. Nothing has ever come of it other then a award (from the same group) for Entrepreneur of the Year or Most Innovative product....these are 144 shareholders and insiders trading back and forth with Serge to promote hype...but no business. The share prices are dawdling in the sub-penny regions for almost a year now..which is a ten year Low for this company. So much for management and business savvy! The Show in Pomona is not a car show it's Far Eastern business hype! Serge is the only automotive related product there all his custom car buddies show off their stuff that's all and Serge treats them all to Chop Suey...another small timer making himself feel important ...
The excuse of not disclosing fleets sales because the general public is questioning the veracity of those sales is nothing short of baloney and a cover-up for poor performance.
We're still calling it like we see it!
Just our opinion on the sad state of affairs.
Monday you could have bought 1Million shares for $9,000 today $6000
Do the math everyone has lost out here ...but for those longs holding 144's and leading the cheer leading...they'll be square at .001 a ten year all time low ...so much for progress!
This is the leadership exemplified by Serge.
With him at the helm the share price has never been lower. He's a joke!
Let's see him pull this out of the hat...
Now who's the smarter....getting a deal Cornell or Serge?
The $350,000 debenture holder has got to be putting un the pressure now...How does this guy sleep at night?
Just commenting on today's performance and the day isn't over...just starting ....
With today's results you're about square
.006 at this writing and sinking!
The rest of us just watch and see the results of Serge's hell-fire selling of 144's and the dumping. This SP is headed for .001 where we all started (that's some 144's) The rest of us are in the toilet...so much for The Herb and "Happy Investing"
The company is literally coming un-glued!
Everyone is going to dump and there will be nigh enough share holders to keep this company a public entity I predict!
Just our opinion
So much for bad advice
So then we can be told that we don't have a stake and shut up?
Get real we are demonstrating our disgust with bad management. Some of us are in for thousands of dollars at 3-7 cents. collectively over two hundred thousand dollars. Please unless you have this kind of stake you have no business speaking up about how much of a loss we are to take...we bought shares based upon "supposedly reliable information directly from Serge. Some of us have sat in on his meetings, some have worked for SaviCorp some have been around since Mario days...you go figure.
That's are straight forward comment on your post
A bad book review: Reporting SaviCorp connections to awards and testing
The object to good book review is to sell books and review that doesn't sell books is a bad one since no positive result are realized ...the only thing these reviews do is sell SVMI shares and keep the investors alive...it has never proven to sell DynoValves.
No review,test, Blog-cast nor interview has ever sold DynoValves.
Has anyone every asked Serge? Not one fleet that has tested the valve has ever sustained orders beyond the testing stage.
"Results" have never been there.
These public displays of recognition are simply posted as hyping the stock..since they never prove out in the marketplace.
That's out take on the matter today.
PS: Even DFW has jumped into the fray. He realizes that the valve needs to be sold before the company can get anywhere. So much of independent resource of information or comment ...DFW is a agent working for SaviCorp and not an independent commentator or investor. as well as IceEquity working on behalf of SaviCorp's account.
Some of us 144 hold millions of shares
Some of us investors hold millions of shares and we've been lied to by Serge and his group on countless occasions and promises of fleet business and all sorts of hype over the past three years and all he has done is cleared up the financing mess with shares of stock...there is no business, just a "hope" of selling the DV it's proven to be just another widget We, of course,are upset and angry with this kind of conduct and think Serge is dishonest and only cares about selling stock and promoting himself. he's got a "Napoleon" complex.
There are hundreds of millions of shares owned by 144 who have forked out hard cash and we were promised privately great returns over the past three years....Since January 2011 there has been a clamp down of strategic information about this company, it's prospects of survival and a financial report that says little hopes of survival...you figure it out it is a Lottery now and not an investment and we are going to continue commenting on the miserable performance of Serge and the company..until he does something like getting someone in who can make sense out of his mess and has the expertise to turn things around. We know the DV Pro is useless to develop and sell since the industry is going away from diesel. and it's CEE who are developing the CNG package conversion not SaviCorp.
Yep, we're mad as hell and won't take it laying down ...We're doing something to recover our investments and 2012 will get results for us.
That's out take on the matter.
Those 1.7 million shares bought yesterday are taking a bath today and the "Inside" deals won't prop up this stock. Serge has bragged about his connections with the MM's and "he will amass them when the time comes"...he has also privately amongst the "insides" spoken of Reverse mergers of shares although he denies it. He has gone on record many times speaking of this. He's spoken about giving his inside 144's preferred shares etc
We still have people inside clocking his every move ...he's running out of "Gas" and hot air...he's his own worst enemy and either this will just collapse or his health will take a toll on all this...
That's our take at the moment and we'll be around a long long time
SVMI SP Today, proved my point!
There's enough traction here with the "insiders" to buy and sell daily one million share blocks to prop up the price at the close of each day to stay alive. This strategy only lasts so long before the MM start to devour the gains and pump and dump.
It's all a Phantom leap into oblivion...it a joke no news of any substance and no new "income" business ...not one new fleet in the entire existence of SaviCorp. Whatever happened to Frito lay and McCarthy and those LA Fire Dept. deals????
Happy trading or sitting on your hands whatever works for you!
We're just looking in on you guys and looking out for ourselves!
DynoValve only got 3-3.5 mile per tank at best!
The Scion is one of the most fuel efficient vehicles produced.
The misleading information that is published only smacks of Hype and Pumping share prices. The difference is fuel economy doesn't justify the expense of the DynoValve
Obviously one of the most fuel efficient vehicles will show improvement, initially, and power boost, but we all know the DynoValve has never shown sustained fuel efficiency or performance. Notice the emissions results never have been published in this test since there isn't an improvement in that area of the test. This is a jaded subjective and "Paid" for publication. Also the deferential between a highly efficient vehicle's bench mark, low emissions rating has never been proven that DynoValve effects that reading
There is going to be sustained dumping and share price reverses for sometime to come, in our opinion. SaviCorp will either go away or get no new legs to stand on this year. Serge's sustained selling to stay alive is going to run out of gas this year.
Obviously the buys are attempting to sustain SP when we jump a million shares in one go there are too many "inside" people betting on this stock, in our opinion.
SVMI can't even keep their records straight in Nevada where the company is registered...talk about getting themselves together ...what a joke.
Equities.com is Serge's Paid PR
It is important to note to the general public that "Icequity" is an employee/agent of Equities.Com. Icequity is a SaviCorp a paid news agent/PR and anything promoted or published by him or on behalf of Equities.com is a advertisement.
So much for credibility
That's our opinion and the facts of the matter
Sort of "in bed" with the SaviCorp.
Reverse merger is primarily to increase ("fictionally") the value of the shares. It only works with the company fulfilling a business plan and making real income and/or accomplishing some business revenues...most often it is to consolidate a tremendous number of outstanding shares and double their value or price of the shares "fictionally" so that it, momentarily, gives the Share price a increased value and supposedly creates a "new" threshold for the SP to be traded. Most companies never succeed in their business plan or opportunity and the new share value simply sinks back to it's original SP or the company goes out of business. This is a favorite trick of Penny stock merchants such as Serge ....artificially inflating share value to raise money or move to OTC ....unless there is business, and apparently SaviCorp can't sell it valves, these tactics are full of hot air and provides a moment for the "insiders" to quickly dump shares and reap a momentary profit. This is supposed to satisfy all those 144 billions of shares but it's nothing but a numbers game and will be flawed because Serge hasn't managed the company as a business man... only as a share merchant. Naturally, since his entire life is tied up in those billions of shares he hold or controls, it's a full time effort on the surface...but this guy and the DynoValve can't sell it's way out of a wet paper sack...
That's or take on the rumors of a Reverse merger of the shares being touted by Icequity.
I believe Icequity is a moderator on this board. and has admitted on this board taking shares from Serge for his help.
'Breakthrough Innovator of the Year ... both locally and nationally. North Korea's Kim Jong Eun recognizes DynoValve!
So much for all the "hallo baloney!"
Frijoles for Christmas again! SaviCorp staff will be sippin' Margaritas and eating large at the Acapulco Lounge in Tustin again... Serge is really a class act.....one step above Taco Bell!
Not one single significant Fleet order has been reported this year with this gizmo at 10 years on the market!
This company and it's CEO (Chief Elocution Olaf)) is so astounding that it has been awarded the "Fickle Finger of Fate Award" again from the Old Laugh-In Days!
We wanted to bail out before the year's end...but at these SP we have to hold on a little longer.
We're out of here....see you at the party if we're slumming.
Word of caution: There is going to be a ID check by Homeland Security this year
That's it for this year..
SVMI ...144 are dumping today as SP falls
Being the last full week before the Christmas holidays 144s are dumping with frustration that no business has been posted for the year and a salvage operation to support this share PS is driven by gossip and hearsayers.
The speculation is over and the year and SP has been predicable.
Serge takes his Christmas shopping seriously! He's joining in the sell-off before all the others have realized a fair price ..he has stonewalled any news and has made this his private fiefdom for exploitation
That's our opinion of today's SP and volume
Happy Trading everyone!
If Herb's reference were taken seriously SaviCorp would be out of business reference his post here
Seriously..."Happy investing"... you on one hand recommend ridding the planet of fossil fuels and on the other say' "Happy Investing" in a Fossil Fuel widget!
Get real
Just Our opinion of the seriousness of the situation here with SaviCorp.
However, they were awarded the “Corporate Excellence Award” and
" Breakthrough Innovator Award" this was patented applied for in 1996..by someone else...not SaviCorp! or Serge. So what's new here ...Nothing! Isn't this the same "Chicken Chow Mein" outfit that hosted the Asian Festival in January? Sounds like Egg Fu Yung to us!
Only pump and dump!
If Herb's reference were taken seriously SaviCorp would be out of business
Seriously..."Happy investing"... you on one hand recommend ridding the planet of fossil fuels and on the other say' "Happy Investing" in a Fossil Fuel widget!
Get real
Just Our opinion of the seriousness of the situation here with SaviCorp.
However, they were awarded the “Corporate Excellence Award” and
" Breakthrough Innovator Award" this was patented applied for in 1996..by someone else...not SaviCorp! or Serge. So what's new here ...Nothing! Isn't this the same "Chicken Chow Mein" outfit that hosted the Asian Festival in January? Sounds like Egg Fu Dung to us!
Only pump and dump!
Volume dumps of SVMI before 2012
We have been told that there will be massive exits of the !44's and "insider" sell offs before the end of the year.
All we're doing is passing it on
There is no tomorrow no 2012 for SVMI
That's our take on the matter yesterday's volume is only the tip of the iceberg!
In our humble opinion
SVMI is dumping today out before 2012 Depression
Looks like our advice and caution has taken hold. The SVMI investigation is on- going
Serge will be facing charges next year ...he has been given a warning to straighten out his affairs, we're told and expalin the activity of his blatant disregards for selling the 144 and not complying with the rules regarding reporting and regulating their registration in timely proper manner!
The annual Christmas Party will be a doosey!
So much for the bonuses and promised money at this years end
We don't think SVMI will survive 2012.
That's out take on the matter
The market has reacted.
Sarbanes-Oxley Act as applied to SVMI
Since the SEC is pursuing many companies regarding the Sarbanes-Oxley Act and Serge's Certification of the financial affairs of SaviCorp, his own company HDV, don't you think the involvement of other financial entities are going to be troubled by supporting SVMI? After all it's been 5 years since a financial report has been made by Serge and we all know he controls 84% of SVMI directly and/or through "insiders" as disclosed in the 2011 Financial Report, the accuracy and investigation of these facts raises nothing but "Red Flags" to us shareholders. We all know he has been "Shot Gun" selling of 144 shares for the past 5 years and "piggy banking" the proceeds to boot strapping operations and while lining his own pockets There is a great deal to be sorted out regarding SVMI and all these penny stock companies yet to be seen.
That's our opinion
Hence the false starts and crashes of the share price is only "pump and dump" as we've seen these past few weeks.
The SP is heading south
SaviCorp ain't no Thanksgiving...it's a Turkey for sure though
If hot air rises then surely this balloon is about to rise...an pop!
As the world economy sinks into oblivion...Serge to the rescue!
All the back slapping and "High-Fives" back and forth hasn't produced any business for SaviCorp and us investors ...where are all those sales?
Just my comic relief moment!
"Any improvement would be acceptable"
There is so much room for improvement ...but the only claims of improvement are from the very source of it the original product where it all began. The Self ingratiating munchkin of Oz! Get real folks!
In our Opinion
So where are those independent "Fleets" with sales...?
SEMA (Silly Engine Mal-functioning Accessories)Show!
Everyone with a thing-a-ma-gig, will have a booth there!
Another excuse to go to Vegas, Baby!
Just another attempt to hype this Junk!
Let's face it, the DynoValve gadget doesn't sell!
It's not plug and play, it's plug and pay, for what?
Halloween is coming! and it's "Trick or Treat" time!
In our Opinion
There is still a $400k defaulted note outstanding!
Look at the financial report and there is disclosure of that amount in the SVMI Financial report. The amount was a lttle less but with interest etc, it must have escalated well over that.
That responds to your remark we believe.
Yes, a Whistle blower SEC report has been filed on SVMI
Obviously no person in their right mind would publish the details of that.
But several of our group have done so.
That's our reply
So where's the progress with McCarthy and Co?
McCarthy bought $100k through their preacher brother-in-law but not the DynoValves????
What about that City of Los Angeles Fire Dept order....????
The anticipation of "New" contracts and "New" products takes the attention off their "Failed" PR's regarding past boasts.
This Is a typical start-up...Serge has missed not only his window but the entire life!
The SEC is now getting a bad rap for not paying attention to the "Whistle blowers" They are re-visiting all these companies and SaviCorp may soon get it's come-up-pens.
That's our opinion for the Day!
Inspirational Poems and Prayers ain't going to turn around Savi!
It's come to this has it!
Read SaviCorp Financial prediction! No hope of continuation! It is a financially unchartable course! With Serge at the helm a ship wreck is certain. The only one benefiting from this past year's
events is Serge and the others that make up his 87%.
That's our Opinion
Amen! to that!
Spreadsheet Hullabaloo!
The numbers get ridiculous! here showing all those income streams...that's based upon SaviCorp selling and installing these Valves themselves, not wholesaling them to distributors
They sell two or three a day out of the plant now at best!
That's out take on that subject!
The assumption of Fuel Savings is a Myth!
The retro-fit of the DV only saves fuel is an assumption not a fact!
Test prove that under normal driving conditions of the test vehicles no appreciable mileage has ever been achieved. That's a Fact! Stop and go driving of fleet owners kills the mileage claims.
That's why the valves do not pencil out on a fuel savings argument or claim.
If one, and to this date no one has, shows the vehicle costs in emissions repairs or replacement then an argument to an over-all $$ saving could be made. Apparently one seems to have the brain power nor fortitude, on staff, to buck that issue ...hence, no fleet sales are reported to date. They always go in and start that the DV pays for itself through fuel economy.
It has been Serge who has mis-led the marketing using the "Fuel" savings issue as a "Leading Sales Gimmick!"
Lastly,for today, we all know the DV can be produced for $50, add $50 for Serge's license and ownership of the DV, add $100 profit for overhead, marketing for SaviCorp add $100 for installation and you have a $300 DV ...now you talking.
That's Our Opinion and we're sticking to it.
But No Sales!
We've read this PR stuff for over six years now and nothing has come of it other than the ones y twos y sales. No fleet , no industry revolution! Just Hot air!
That's about for this week
But in who's life-time?
If this thing was such a opportunity it would sell itself...the amount of PR and showcasing he's done to promote this product only proves it's not catching on...there are just too many "Gadgets" out there with a quick fix...no fleet has ordered nor had sustaining results from their testing of the DV since it's inception...
Dream on In Our Opinion!
But in who's life-time?
Serge has to screw on his shoes every morning he's so crooked! Please he's so devious and if this thing was such a opportunity it would sell itself...the amount of PR and showcasing he's done to promote this product only proves it's not catching on...there are just too many "Gadgets" out there with a quick fix...no fleet has ordered nor had sustaining results from their testing of the DV since it's inception...
Dream on In Our Opinion!
Proves Our Point: Further Equity Dilution!
It doesn't take long for the market to react to the reality of the situation.
That's our take on the matter
Slim to no chance of SVMI going to OTCBB
87% of SVMI is controlled by one entity (group close to Serge) that leaves 13% for us a consideration which would concern SEC or any Govt Regulatory agency. (Ref: latest Financial Disclosure by SVMI)
They have little prospects of raising funds other than through borrowing and have stated that they have little chance of surviving without "Income" (reference their latest financial disclosure statement)
The ability to borrow is one thing, however, an economic viable company is one that operates with a positive cash flow through doing business...SaviCorp has yet to provide that or prove that it can do that..(and of course if that can be accomplished [investment money]then that further dilutes the 13%)
Licensing the DV to a manufacturing company for sales and distribution is an option but SaviCorp has to depend that Serge, who controls the DV Patents on a exclusive basis and agrees not to do that privately (as an individual) remember, he has only given SaviCorp a "non-exclusive" licensing agreement that he can cancel at will. Therefore the future of SVMI solely rests in the hands of "One" person not even the group which makes up his 87% investors which he controls. At this time SVMI is practically a "shell" company operating on the "whim" of Serge. Sure we all agree that the quickest money for him can be through continuing supporting SVMI (that makes him a multimillionaire)However, if DV or any of his other products are ever licensed to another then we can pretty much know that SaviCorp can't do it on its own and he is capitalizing on his best option. With capital markets drying up, new technology making vehicles more emission free and increased gas mileage... only the used car market is the option or opportunity for the DV and DV-Pro (yet to come to market)
You figure ...If anyone doubts this, read the company's latest financial disclosure info.
That's Our Opinion that SVMI is now a private company that has 500+ outside investors holding only 13%.
Where did the money come from to pay for those cars? The report showed no sales for the year. Oh yeah, it must be from the 144 shares. Can you put a dynovalve on a Porsche? Great advertising skills once again by top management.
Here's a question for the Board
If SaviCorp and Serge Monros is so inventive and can back up his claims of being a "Genius" regarding technology, How come he drive a Japanese manufactured Prius?
Isn't this a tell tale sign that he doesn't believe in his so called technology? and he wants real mileage and real performance. This is a contradiction in everything SaviCorp espouses!
1. Foreign made
2. Different Technology
3. Believing in one self
Even the so-called, inventor of the DynoValve, doesn't drive one of his own products! If he has fitted his Prius with a DynoValve he's invalidated it's warranty (not included in EO testing) and where is the documented improvement?
So much for a reality check!
Why doesn't he build and drive one of those CNG Diesel Jobs he claims he's going to sell that CEE has invented?
Answer perhaps: Serge doesn't have to. He controls 89% of SaviCorp and isn't a fool when it comes to mileage. He doesn't sell Valves he sells SVMI shares.
Hybrids far exceed mileage and emissions Standards
Your comment does not make any sense except for you to counter a remark that disproves mileage claims of SaviCorp.
Hybrids exceed all EPA and Air Quality Emissions Standards and their objectives, already
If improving the gas mileage without invalidating the warranty of a Hybrid is your goal then go right ahead
Serge drives a Prius not a DynoValve driven vehicle I think this tells you everything.
Try a Valve for the truth
Mileage statements are over blown and are always based upon fwy driving...in town, stop and go driving, counter acts the valve's basic technology.
Do your own DD not the holders of shares in SVMI no real fleet has ever gone beyond "Testing" the valve ..these do not pay for themselves ...unless you stay on the fwy and drive 60k+ per year. City driving defeats the valves operation ...and that's a fact!
Remember the Valve's chip fights the cars' computer and counter acts its instructions, therefore, under city driving the valve does not work as a mileage reduction device.
That's not In Our Opinion That's a fact!
Awards will never drive Stock Prices
The Fickle Finger of Faith Award
In the words of Rowan & Martin the Award was given to all the Faithful Longs who stood by Serge Monros upon SVMI's demise
As the Share price declines so goes the faithful.
Perhaps, Obama's stimulus package will save SaviCorp ...NOT!
In our humble Opinion of course
Awards don't drive Business
Thanks for your research! Now tell us where all those winners are today? In terms of making a difference in the environment and making money?
Get real here! The real cost of a DV is approximately $50 on any reasonable scale of production. It's the Price tag they have put on this device and the installation that makes it unacceptable by the general public and industry. The DV only gains mileage under a load at freeway speeds and the stop and go driving defeats the technology. We know that only under sustained operation are mileage results achieved...that's why fleets are not buying into to the "it pays for it's self" sales pitch! The percentage of increase of the newer vehicles emissions standards and achievements without the DV are not substantially increased....The company only touts the over-all measurement for emissions via the EO report and doesn't take into account that the test vehicles today already achieve over 90% of an improvement and the DV only marginally increases this reading. This good for older cars only where the general public can get smog inspections approved. The new car market is not a market for DV. Serge missed the boat on this.
Serge and Co control 89% of all shares allocated and issued That approx. 2.3 billion of the outstanding shares there is at most 800,000,000 shares owned and free for trading by outsiders or the general public at most 20,000,000 represents only 2.6% of that number.
That's our opinion and we are awaiting for some fluff to spike this baby for our dump!
Does an Award translate into Sales?
SaviCorp received an award which is the 1st news in 9 months of progress. Serge (who never misses a photo op)was all smiles! This award is from a little known organization. Was this their 1st meeting? Look at the seating there seems only the politicians and a 1/2 dozen in attendance. "Philippineos of Orange County??" Get real! Will this translate into sales and create income streams? Showing up for (arranged) press op's is one thing making sales is a talent which escapes our leader! In our Opinion of course. Those California politicians are in "re-election mode" and there is no money or support for any GHG initiatives. Get real folks and the politicians had nothing to do with these award selections...they just show up for the photo op's...where's the State of California implementing the use of these DynoValves not even LA Fire Dept has followed through.
Serge and co, control 89% of SaviCorp and this is the best they can put out in 9 months regarding sales and business opportunities they have capitalized on?
We noticed none of those, so called, 10+ employees mentioned in previous posts (prior January 2011) were mentioned on those financials and only the "inside" guys who control 89% of Savi made the list. Lots of titles, no employee roaster and no business....
I noticed the post regarding the Trucking company in Ontario being fined ...SaviCorp doesn't have a proven Diesel product to solve this crisis ...so what's that all about? Just more PR and Hype? or a wannabe idea!
Still waiting for those 144 certificates and a broker who will take them .....The financials really killed our brokers chances here in Texas...what a joke with only 11% of the shares in play here there seems little chance of any kind of spike to play with...
Most our "Serge" huggers who need to hold on since they bought in too late...
That's it for today! from us ...we're watching and reading want to make a buck here ....