Just my opinion, but I think one of these quarters (hopefully soon), they won't ruin a perfectly good run with their financial report :)

Interesting...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jim-harbaugh-worried-colin-kaepernick-might-too-muscle-190611465--nfl.html

My theory is the comment was an attempt to project the image a young altruistic lad, wanting to fill a need and to make the world a better place than he found it :) I see it as a kind of a bullshit comment that was not intended to communicate a lack of interest in profit, but a great approach to humankind at the beginning of the endeavor. I find the comment to be a poorly thought out effort to look like a great guy, and I also find some of the reactions here to show willful ignorance of the obvious. If my theory is wrong, then we will never turn a profit and it would mean that he has been lying when he indicates he is working toward the goal of profitibility. Time will tell.

The bottom bollinger is finally swinging upward. Just wanted to say that because its hard to focus on technicals with this one. Felt good to say that :)

No post for awhile here, still haven't sold a share. As horrified as I was with some of the developments on the business/financing side, the market penetration and branding side, as well as the gross revenue kept me in, with the hope that the margins problem would be addressed. To me, the key has always been and still is in the margins.

Anyway, just checking in. Nice to see some apparent solutions in the works. GL to us all.

I'll drink to that :)

Strangest ride I've ever been on. Very emotional board here where people believe the company is either excrement or gold depending on whether they're holding shares or lost money and sold -- or simply whether they are down or up. We all know by now, if we've traded at all, that these things as well as our actions are irrelevent and simply strategic on a personal level as far as the company level end game is concerned. None of this is rare as far as message boards are concerned, but I have to clear my head occasionally and ask myself a few basic questions to guide my own strategy, sort of a progressive decision tree. I will say there is plenty of negative, some management-caused and some by simple virtue of being a very young company. One question I ask myself after getting a good dose of "this is ALL garbage and they are 100% CROOKS" is, then what the hell is all the work and expansion and money-making about? Really, its a good question. Do they intend to make a mountain of money from their stock, or is their plan to lose huge? Do they plan to reverse split and brazenly churn through another generation of investors? If not, again I ask, why the aggressive and though some don't like to hear it, exceptionally effective expansion of product and MusclPharm name? I'm not a fan of hearing myself theorize so I'll keep that in my own strange head for now. But there seems to be a focused and determined plan and a destination they are driving to. Where is it guys? You don't communicate through proper channels... what are you driving toward? Its the question that has kept me in this tiny penny stock and I hope that the lack of communication doesn't mean that there is a bunch of stainless steel dildos lined up for all of us at the destination. I lean toward no on the latter, however it would be nice if when asked a question through a proper channel, questioners aren't responded to as if they are street bums aggressively gesturing with their genitalia -- ignore and run the other way.

I was following Chad on Twitter and he never said a word I can remember about MusclePharm, whereas Vick is actively promoting it as we speak.

The R/S is and has been the largest concern of mine. I totally didnt' want to hear that. I question the intentions post split based on hard cold experience and observation. While I won't tell anyone else to follow my lead because I could be wrong, I hope to be on the sidelines watching when it happens. Its been brought all the way down once, it could happen again. And the plan to do it from a low position simply compounds my concerns with it. I wonder, in fact, if there is any intention of uplisting. Is it a smokescreen to make the rs palatable? Show me I'm wrong gentlemen (Brad, Corey, Jeremy and gang).

I've read enough on this board and some do post enough that I can see what appears to be very likeable people, you included, so this isn't personal to be sure. As your and Avocets post suggest, it almost indicates either a muddling of what I would assume your objective is here -- to make a profit -- or your anger has gotten so extreme that you really do have more of a desire to figuratively hurl tomatoes, to slice tires, burn figures in effigy and yell expletives. I have my own personal demons here, but I also know that the biggest thing they have going for them is still their marketing. With the aggression of their marketing and a big one, increasing their margins, there are some really good possibilities here. I have my own strategies, and I'll know when I have to go. Til then, I'll hope for optimum effectiveness of the good, while examining the creeping feces in our periphery.

As irritated as I get with MP execs, I am disturbed with the Twitter eruptions. Twitter is an effective marketing and customer relationship arm of the company. It is a good thing.

Though I agree with a lot of the sentiments expressed, I don't agree with the venue. It is disturbing to see a positive line of commentary be disrupted by bile from shareholders. Seems counter productive. Any private message, any blunt communication directly from shareholders to the company is healthy and good... but these tomatoes and eggs being thrown on Twitter is troubling. Here's how I sum it up. The company has made moves that evoke doubt, sometimes significant doubt. These things on twitter by shareholders, I see as another ugly negative that could directly impact my decision to stay invested. If I was someone contemplating investment, I'd read it and possibly move on.

Hopefully these are done with no big following or series of bitter retweets by others.

All I'll say on that loaded subject is this. A study was done some years back that I heard about and believe through observation. It stated that over 90% of actual physical violence is initiated by the female. I have observed this, but it is viewed as insignificant by all aspects of society. Woman gets mad, woman goes after man because she can. Woman later calls police if any reciprocation occurs, even if slight.

My qualifier here is obvious. I have no idea what happened here. None whatsoever. However, he has no record. He says it was an accident. Could be. I am just a little weary of the usual automatic lines in this regard. Females are FAR FROM INNOCENT in general here. The majority of males have no interest, if not a firm rule, not to touch their sweetheart violently in any way. There are despicable exceptions, but, just saying.

I understand that, or I understand your initial bold proclamations of doom. But I don't understand both of them together.

You came in making bold and absolute assertions of non-negotiable doom. Then you say you just bought in a couple weeks ago, said you are keeping shares in case you're wrong and then start asking questions. Strange behavior.

Looks like a dragonfly doji on the chart. An awesome pr would help the dragonfly do his job and start a reversal.

Furious arguments indeed. I hope so. I like to picture a new board member with a suit yelling, pointing a pencil at Cory for emphasis, and Cory yelling back with a Musclepharm T, one arm pulling once side of it above his nipple for no reason. IMO :D

Yessir, Stupified, and maybe we can keep the ranch under control this season... hey lotsa correlations here with MSLP :D

Nice post Blue. I agree. I see and evaluate negatives and I have certain red lights that I look at very intensely, most of which never splatter on this board. And like you, when I decide my threshold for risk has been violated, I disappear.

Still long, still wearing a long, guacamole stained mad scientist coat, in a dingy lab somewhere in Central OH lol

Here are my thoughts:

*Its generally bad news when a penny reverse splits
*Generally, the market looks at the stock like a naked wino with cheese dip hanging from his nipple and his ugly ass draped over the punchbowl when they show up higher in the ranks. The market usually sends the stock back to where it belongs.
*Companies OFTEN do this for the fantastic dilution opportunities.
*This is the one SINGLE action I did not want the company to do.

Now, on the other hand...

*In spite of my credible negativity toward reverse splits, I profited off of Coeur d'Alene mines then watched it and walked away when I saw they were going to reverse split. They did well.
*Most of the companies that immediately suck the life out of the new pps are clear doucher stocks with very little, if any business value.
*MSLP has much much more going for it than most doucher reverse splitters.

How am I looking at it? My biggest complaint is that it was the one move they could make that would create the concerns that these dudes have not changed, regardless of the different faces that show up. It has created huge doubt and huge dilution opportunity. Another thing is that there will probably be a selloff tomorrow (I could be wrong) and the gap between bid and ask will dictate that it makes little sense to try to participate. There is enough positive that you will probably end up selling near a bottom.

This gives MusclePharm the opportunity to show us in the coming days and weeks a lot of things. Or they could show us that despite the high sounding words perhaps they are douchers?

I don't know, we'll see. Lots going on with MP.

If you think you're going to get an in depth breakdown of the stock and the answers as to why the pps is where it is on twitter, you're not. The problem is that investor relations doesn't respond. Cluttering up an avenue that as you said, Cory uses to attract new customers only inserts negativity into a sales and promotion feed. I agree that we should find a way to get answers, and it is unacceptable that we are not. But even if you got an answer on twitter, you know it would be fluff. Therefore, the negative far outweighs the slim chance of positive aside from some strange satisfaction of disrupting his company promotion on twitter. jmo

Regardless of the mp logo, Clay chose a strategy with the goal of winning the bout. And he was an effective punch or so away from doing just that. As is the case with boxing as well, sometimes a fighter can hypnotize himself and forget to punch enough. It wasn't pleasing to watch, but he was obviously trying to out-energize the guy and he did score enough to make the decision debatable... you don't automatically win through ineffective aggression and macho frustration... or you shouldn't. Scoring is scoring, just add it up judges and ignore the boos.



http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Jess052705.htm

Ha! Nice one... good luck with the fishing, I'll make some contacts regarding the triad for when you return.

The most brainless pumper couldn't dodge negative any better than that statement avoids the obvious and substantial activity going on. Evaluate it how you will. Each one of us has to decide what we think the future of the pps is. You say you're a realist. I say I read your posts and that you're predictions are that of doom. I say that your Ihub personna will be flabbergasted if it goes where many of us think it will. Your HOPE is that it pays off. Your EVALUATION is that it is SHIT and probably going nowhere.

"Based on the other spending they were doing, I just don't see how that is possible.The other explanations probably have some criminal aspects.

ALL IMO."

So, just so I'm clear, since the former is unlikely to you, the most likely is some sort of criminal activity. Wow. And between "the pumpiest of pumpers" and you, it takes hammy to redirect to the middle realm of possibility.

Now, you may turn out to be correct, but shit, you view yourself as more of a realist, but your suppositions and suggestions generally end up with either general doom for us all or a bunch of white collar criminals at the healm. I'd say the realist is Hammy.

Awesome, thanks John. I didn't check out Ornelas. Looks good.

Gotcha, appreciated. Yeah, hard to take good notes in a sports bar lol. It had to have been the undercard to the Beibut Shumenov wba lightheavyweight title defense... still looking for more info/images from the undercard. Can't be Shumenov, because he is apparently with DeWalt. Thanks for posting it.

Nice...about time. Do you remember who it was?

I agree with your analysis of most likely what happened. You still holding?

Absolutely right. Codie posted a fact. Facts are what you analyze. No mindless pumping is beneficial, but you also don't go to the mirror, smear lipstick all over your face, throw on a disheveled wig and grind incessantly only one angle. Small picture is mainly negative. They had it, they promoted it, they lost it -- not good. Big picture is, do they need it? How much penetration into the free market do they have, how much loyal customer base? Can they still promote their product as safe? And will they make more money with it, or without it? Is it temporary? Is NSF flexing over the labeling issue? I agree that most people who are the core of supplement users want results. I have spoken to friends of mine who are using supplements and I mentioned how impressed I was that MP had no banned substances. I am impressed with that. They couldn't give a shit.

Ben, here is what I'm seeing. You and Codie are basically saying that this appears to strongly suggest scam. You said you wish people would quit making excuses, which I interpret to mean that you would like the floor to be held by you and Codie to engage in monologue. I want to read the different takes, because, as troubling as it is (mainly the lack of communication from the company, as well as their touting of it in the past), it is NOT the deciding factor as to whether a company which is on an incredible rise will still be able to smash the market. I have not decided that this company can't fulfill its potential. As Elephant mentioned those companies without nsf certification which have been wildly successful, if they need to promote it differently and they can still smash the market, then F--- the NSF (my words not elephant's :) We're here to make money... We will or we won't and we have to evaluate carefully before we decide which it's going to be.

I didn't read the entire thread, but they were primarily talking about another product while I was reading and specifically if you took it before sleeping if you would sleep restlessly with wild dreams... it appeared it was simply on with the thread and subject after that..i'll prolly take a look again to see if more positive or negative for mp specifically.

That's the pertinent point here. I have been involved in businesses in which the entire business plan was to take a higher priced product with added quality and sell that idea to the public. I know where the original debate is coming from, and that being whether or not to raise prices. I see both sides of the argument and on Ben's side, I think there is a huge amount of cost cutting to be done on the expense side of the ledger that would make a dramatic difference. I believe the fruition of what Outpost was speaking of earlier is the biggest key. And that is, whether this management team gets it. If they don't, then I don't know where their heads are, but wherever it is, it would be highly inappropriate in context of a place to put your head. I'm betting they either do, or will be forced to go the right way anyway or run something awesome into the ground.

Yep. I'm not trying to refute your claim. Price is price and comparisons to the other like products and comparisons oz for oz is not up for dispute. I don't always agree with you but I like your pragmatic approach and look forward to seeing what you have to say. My only point is that someone could look at it and conclude that 600,000 people say it is too expensive. We also know how those searches break down even further as you go on google.

Not intended at all as an attack, my good man.

Correction to my previous post...they actually loved it, but it was too expensive for them.

MURDR wrote:Anyone here take it? I bought some from MusclePharm to try it out, and they first time I took it PROPERLY (empty stomach, and didn't wash it down with water or anything) I slept GREAT, and felt 100% pumped and ready to go at 5:30am!

But, MusclePharm's is expensive, so I'll probably try another brand when I run out.

They're talking about another product that gave them weird dreams and such

This particular result is from RossTraining.com and someone in the thread didn't like it and said it was too expensive and they'd be buying something else when they ran out... hey, it's not for everyone on the planet right? Otherwise we'd be gazillionaires right now :D

Ben did a google search MusclePharm is expensive and without reading the first couple of lines it looks like the entire world is saying its too expensive, but its not the case. Many are, many aren't. Those words are simply in the text, some are saying something altogether different is "expensive", some are saying other things altogether. There are some that really are saying that, but I noticed one seems to be a constant repeat. I did a search with quotes around the phrase to get the exact wording and got only one result. Not saying that there aren't many out there who feel its expensive... just saying.

Ben, yes, many of those are repeats and many are not saying MP is expensive but are in a totally different context. Some are saying they are expensive, but... Just saying, that your list is not a list of people saying MP is too expensive. Some are, some aren't. Its just giving you sites where the words you entered are there...Now if you put quotes around your statement "musclepharm is expensive", I'll admit it is limiting, I get one result.

There was no question you were out, it was clear. What are you doing now?

Needs to be corrected, and as you say nsf is working with MSLP per their own words. I don't think that's good enough for someone who may need this stock to go down.

Now that's some deeeeep due diligence. Thanks Euc! Huge potential implications.