Good....I think she was spot on

I don't know anyone who holds higher education against someone, I fact I think most all respect people with PHDs and the like......Same goes for money, success if you will, even the uber rich......

What they don't like, why elitism is all the buzz and why I've harped on it is, when education and ultra success is used to justify greedy acts, support them by using their gained articulation and on to becoming condescending when called out without a thought for the consequences they've caused.. Then completely Deny the consequences even exist....

In short Ill Fuck them, then look down my nose at them...

Do you like Maureen Dowd,,,,,,,,on MSNBC this morning

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/morning-joe-debates-maureen-dowd-s-democrats-and-the-case-of-mistaken-identity-politics-224102981741

Good op ed, Intelligent Woman

(Credit to conix )

Some in Silicon Valley disagree with you..plus

Khanna, a California congressman representing the tech hub of Silicon Valley, tweeted on Saturday that his party “failed to present a compelling economic vision for the working class”.

From the same article

“Bottom line, if you’re an average working person out there, do you really think that the Democratic party is going to the mat… and fighting for you? I think the overwhelming answer is no. And that is what it’s got to change,” Sanders said on Sunday, adding: “It’s not messaging… It’s a fundamental understanding of saying, look, the Biden administration has done a lot of good things, period. We should all be proud of that, but it has to be put in the broad context of the reality of the American economy today.”

Seems its not a matter of hating successful people, just what some people, like the dems are willing to do.....With those decisions came consequences.....

Democrats are trying to work out where it all went wrong. On the left of the party a consensus is forming
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/democrats-kamala-harris-bernie-sanders-elections-b2644773.html

Thanks for confirming the lie Janice ;)

With each move that took from the working class I'm sure it must have brought much joy, renigging on the promise to give Americans the newest tech as a replacement must have given even more satisfaction....

San Fran secured Silicon Valley, the land of Pelosi, Feinstein and even Harris.....Trump claimed he was smart for taking advantage of the tax code.....Dems were even smarter, they killed two birds with one stone, they got to smack American workers once again and become rich in the process.....

People did notice

What? Surely you're thinking of San Jose

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley

a cum guzzling whore with no repercussion. You know, free speech and all. I can tell you that you're a cunt with a pussy that has dried up faster than the Sahara and nobody will question me because the last dick you saw was your sister's.

But I have morals, so I wouldn't say that.

Yep that's free speech, people should be able to say what they want, then others have the ability to form opinions of what people say and who said it..

Men with morals use what they'd say in front of their mother as a moral compass when in the public eye..

The last slap with Globalization was San Fran...

Yeppers, Dems big promise was to make sure Americans got the new technologies.......

That would make up for giving away every...old...industry from clothing to cars......

Places like China, Taiwan and South Korea got the manufacturing for all that, but Dems didn't lie completely, they made San Fran the capital (for lack) for those new tech companies ;)

Karma works (in more ways than one) now its all come back on the dems...........And the country too......

That's already been said

Janice is a big girl, Queen of the board, The Champ, A Scholar........Its equal rights, she knows when she gets into the ring people are going to fight back.....She can always put a helmet on if she needs it.....Im going to treat her just as equally as she does to me and mine......

You hate squirrels....

Fascination with the stock market didn't help you dems one damn bit, people voted their pocketbook....Back to how out of touch the democratic party is..... When dems and the news concentrate on it and indicators, they show how far removed they are from what people are experiencing........

Buckle Up buck, we are far from normal politics now.....

BTW......"I've" not set myself up for anything.......Support for people and criticism of dems isn't support for a candidate.......But I will say, and it surprised me, independents went red....But what didn't right.

Some have been sounding warnings. You thought they were wrong. You should have paid attention and not played politics as usual....

Id keep your seat in the upright position too......

Was the trump vote "fuck the elites" vote or......

Yes, that was a part even a big part,,,,,More so its a desperate search to be heard, be represented again....Its a human thing not necessarily a political one......

And yes on tokenism,,,,,,take away livelihoods and replace it with give aways is insulting, as maybe you can imagine.....

Do they think Trump is the guy to bring back dignity, prosperity and the like?,,,,,Its worth a try to them, they aren't just running out of options, but out of them.....

What a mess greed makes eh, been true throughout history

So, as Jackie Gleason used to say,,,,,, "And away we go !!!! "

Why Wages Aren’t Growing in America......Harvard Business Review
https://hbr.org/2017/10/why-wages-arent-growing-in-america

Adjusted real wages have been stagnant since the early 1970s, growing only 0.2% per year1. In reality, real hourly wages declined from the 1970s

Wage Stagnation in Nine Charts
https://www.epi.org/publication/charting-wage-stagnation/

Your question only goes to prove my point.....thats true avoidance, the question is obvious, but my points about your and dems elitism are too....

GN Janice Shell

I addressed that......Can you address the people without slander or is it How Dare them stand up and be heard....They were supposed to know their place.......

It must be infuriating

Kareem, yourself are missing the the point of the election, its about people literally struggling to make ends meet..

Instead of facing that reality and having some of that dem empathy for them, and see your failures as democrats in addressing them, now and before, you disregard their grievances completely and blame sexism and racism......

Thats out of touch, you can't even see it and people, myself included think you've no interest in it, may no longer be capable of it and just don't give a shit about them and are already calling them racist and sexist again to boot.

Out of touch, don't care, blame them all without one inward thought.......elitist may not cover it

You talk about trump, not a consideration at all for the people, only contempt .....And it doesn't sound like its going to change any.....

You won't catch me taking up for trump, but I will the people, they just sent you a resounding Fuck You for your elitist attitude towards them.....Trump is at least smarter than insulting the working and middle class when he wants to claim he will look out for their interest,,,,,,They damn well know what your attitude is towards them.....

That will either change or it wont

No, no politician or party has gotten in the way of redistribution, or free trade till Obama's free trade bill was rejected....

Clinton did have some good yrs, but it took time to decimate industry here, he just opened the door to it for the future...

You say repubs have 'too',,,,,thats admitting the dems have,,,,,,,,,,dems weren't only a part of it but they initiated, sheesh nafta was a Reagan and Bush bill, guess who put it through congress and pushed its passage......Want to boil it down to the lowest common denominator..... Its corporate and donor cash that corrupted gov to the point the working and middle class have nothing left to be squeezed out of them......

Dems stayed stone deaf about the economy all through the Biden admin, it wasnt mentioned with and strength by Harris...Mix that with years of trust breaking down between the working class and dems.....Toss in 15 million in immigration and even the Latino vote made a difference.........

This realignment didn't come from just the last 4 yrs, but it pushed voters over the edge......Dems history of doing things that have damaged the mid and lower classes far out weigh anything else they've done.....They just show up every election period and ask for your vote......

What will trump do......I have no idea what so ever......He is just seen as neither party and people are willing to hold their noses, hope it sends a message and hope he can do something....They know dems won't, haven't and weren't going to...

I know working class people have finally been heard, and they see the dems as the status quo....

Trump just realigned the entire political map. Democrats have 'no easy path' to fix it
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-just-realigned-entire-political-map-democrats-no-easy-path-fix-rcna179254

Might have missed on that one....oops

The wealthiest 1% has taken $50 trillion from working Americans and redistributed it, a new study finds. Here's what that means.

https://www.businessinsider.com/wealthiest-1-percent-stole-50-trillion-working-americans-what-means-2020-9

Democrats pushed and got their free not fair agreements and opened the door to China......Now toss in immigration and that's how the Dems became the party of the rich and entered the elite class never to return......

Its all about money, corporate money and dems went along with it with a greedy passion...Read this, see how corporations got dems and government to do their bidding....

How America's Biggest Companies Made China Great Again
https://www.newsweek.com/how-americas-biggest-companies-made-china-great-again-1445325

The big business community made it clear—first to the Clinton administration and then to his successor, George W. Bush—that trade with China was its highest priority. Washington readily agreed. "The Fortune 500 and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce didn't just influence policy," says Alan Tonelson, a veteran trade analyst in Washington, "they made policy."

The first goal for corporate America was to get trade relations normalized "permanently" (known as PNTR, for "permanently normalized trade relations"). Prior to 2000, because of the post Tiananmen hangover, Washington every year would have to decide whether to grant China the same access to the U.S. market that it did other trading partners. With the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the U.S. China Business Council as point men in Washington, corporate America lobbied hard for the move. More than 600 companies pushed for China's PNTR status. They got what they wanted. After a contentious debate with human rights advocates, the U.S. approved PNTR in 2000.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_normal_trade_relations
...................

That was under Mr Bill Clinton as was opening the door to those free trade agreements....... Dems never looked back

This elite class took 50 trillion dollars from the working and middle class and gave it to themselves over the past decades.....The democratic party was a very big part of that....

You may not understand the effects of it, but hey dems denied the economy, denied immigration and deny the effect of that transfer of wealth and their part in it...

So now lets ignore this election and the lessons it could teach.....You don't consider elitism as a problem, its all made up, its all in their heads, its all just propaganda to be ignored ? Sorry, history dictates when the elite and ruling parties become out of touch, we land exactly where we are today.....All we are doing is repeating

I think half the country has been ignored for far too long.....People can use intelligence to evaluate or education to justify......There is a big difference between the two.....But have we come far enough to use the past as a reminder of what not to do to the 'lower classes',,,,,,,so far we have not....This election was a case in point

All it really takes is some common sense......not education, no big amount of intelligence........

Would you consider Kareem part of the elite class? When was the last time he lived among the commoners....

Dems are on the way to Just calling over half the country trash again.....Not reflecting as to why so many dem supporters stayed home this time (over your 10m mark)

So now its on to the majority of the US is inherently racist, Kamala lost because those same people are sexist....That is truly repeating one big factor that got us here....

Not that much of the country is truly struggling, now more than ever...That 70% of the country thought the country was moving in the wrong direction...... Not that youth see in reality that the American dream is truly dead.....Not that mothers are paying bills too and see the that dream is dead for their children, same with the fathers...Same with the older generations that see the dem party is just a shell of its former self, they've witnessed the transformation...

Its said dems are the party of the elite, I agree and more do than don't...... Not sure how the elite will self reflect, nor do I think they care to....Sorry Kareem, a good man no doubt, but you feed into a big part of why we are here, and not part of the solutions the country badly needs........

Although plenty of moderate dems see the working class uprising for what it is.....Will elitist and race baiters distract from real causes......They may have just lived in a bubble for far to long to see things for what they are, what is outside their neighborhoods, outside their class....

Its the easy way out, not the hard work and I have no idea how they can possibly hope to understand what they haven't understood.....

Would love to have more of our chats like the past....Have stayed away from them purposely, my way of saving you some grief ;)

'Good' is the word, some people didn't get what they wanted and now they have to deal with why, that's good..........Others got their voices heard, that's very good in my mind, long over due ;) A national wake up call,,,,,,,,,,

Its a class war and it's a shame it came to this, never should have in this country..

How will the dems deal with it?..................How on earth will trump?......

(Why,,,,,,,,Corporations and donors doling out cash to parties and politicians on both sides in return for?, Greed the business of DC. With Corporate Media brainwashing both sides to the point of tribalism......Now, it all comes home to roost........Miss those conversations. ; And Thoreau......did get to mention social contract yesterday, mention lol ;)

The book predicted this realignment, hope you saw the vid.....Somewhere I've heard much of what she said before........The data should be interesting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,much deeper than the partisan BS

We got Trump, thanks dems, now you know why I call them out.... but Its 'good'.....fix it or not, the status quo is no longer sustainable and hasn't been....Society may make it and may not, Lets see what the humans do, at least they aren't fighting, for now

Hope you had a good evening ;)

She was just gas lighting........Im working class, Ive seen first hand what the dems have actually done....Seems several million others have lived it too......Some party the dems now days...

Quickly, Take Charleston WV, once the 'chemical center of the world' population 50k.....Lost 10,000 good paying jobs shipping that industry to India...... Outsourcing damaged communities and cites across America....Breaking the unspoken Social Contract between corps, employees and communities....(thanks to the corrupted government)

Stakeholder Theory replaced by Shareholder Theory

WV as you probably know broke from Virginia to be on the side of the Union in the civil war.....Kept the lights on and powered the industrial revolution with their mines.....Still furnish the steel industry coking coal...

Never have understood why dems got so high and mighty that they do the naming calling they've done and still do.......The working class was once their base.... Also its never good to break social contracts or so the founders thought.......

And nice post ;)

My point exactly, I just didn't add the historical references, trump doesn't produce, midterms correct......

past that blah blah blah blah blah blah.....People have heard it all and are sick to death of it...Might be thinking what the dems can do better between now and then, you just got your ass handed to you........

poor inbred white trash....that worked out well

Yes and no, Its proof positive the working and middle class no longer see the dems reflecting their best interest, to the contrary, they flat sold them out and they know it......They wouldn't have gravitated to the gop if it weren't for trump because the gop never reflected their best interest......

All folks know its either Trump or no one,,,,no one is not a good option.....

I agree with most of your post but its not because trump isn't leftist, he is neither to them....... The right however may just make the adjustment and become sincere about representing the working class...Parties flip...

Its up to both they are corrupt beyond control.......Its hard to come back from that, but there is a chance..

Common sense should be the guide for dems, they haven't shown much of it over the past decade or so and that's the icing on the cake. Whether or not they like it, dems are elitist beyond what can be stomached and progressive policies should not be the dem priority moving forward ;)

And yes she was spot on......

Put it this way, Excuses are like assholes, everyone's got one and they all stink

Dems can continue to make them, or they can wake the fuck up, this is their second wake up call, I doubt there will be a third....

The election was about as decisive as it gets......trump will have all three branches of congress......Its undeniable

Balls in the dem court,, get serious, be sincere, be ready to get it done,,,,or not

Uh no,,,,Think election cycles....

If things weren't out of control the working class wouldn't have gravitated to the gop, much rather trump....That is, if the last 50 yrs wasn't that 50 trillion transfer of wealth.....Welcome to today..

When a party doesn't produce, the midterms correct, when the admin screws up, or doesn't produce, they don't get reelected..... Biden/Harris did not get reelected his/her admin was rejected as the dems were.....

The problem is money from the top, who can or is willing to break the connection.....The working and middle class is sending a very strong message......One party or the other must correct or don't think it can't get worse....

Midterms then 4 yrs from now, lets see what the dems do

Second Class....Batya Ungar-Sargon

Dems aren't perfect they have 4 yrs to get on the stick, wasn't hard to see something coming, glad it manifested in an election rather than......

"Second Class is the most important book you will read all year. A political realignment is coming, and it’s my hope that the end result will work in favor of our all-too-neglected American working class. When that realignment comes, Batya and her book will help lead the way."

—Greg Lukianoff, CEO of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, and co-author of The Coddling of the American Mind

Who is the American working class? Do they still have a fair shot at the American Dream? What do they think about their chances to secure the hallmarks of a middle-class life?

While writing this book, Batya Ungar-Sargon visited states across the nation to speak with members of the American working-class fighting tooth and nail to survive. In Second Class, working-class Americans of all races, political orientations, and occupations share their stories—cleaning ladies, health care aides, cops, truck drivers, fast food workers, electricians, and more. In their own words, these working-class Americans explain the struggles and triumphs of their increasingly precarious lives—as well as what policies they think would improve them. Second Class combines deep reporting with a look at the data and expert opinion on America’s emergent class divide, in which the most basic elements of a secure and stable life are increasingly out of reach for those without a college education.

America has broken its contract with its laboring class. So, how do we get back to the American Dream? How do we once again become the land of opportunity, the promised land where hard work and commitment to family are enough to protect you from poverty?It’s not that hard actually. All it would take, as this book illustrates, is for those in power to once again respect the dignity of work—and the American worker.

You and dems have been ignoring substantive content up to the point we are where we are......

The working class stood up. I doubt one bit progressives will learn the least bit from this election........You will ignore every fact it has exposed.........

Scroll to 7:20

Moderate dems will slowly push progressives aside now......

By choice,,,,,,, good day

Now you're the one that's wrong, doubt you will admit it though....Scared to I guess, to hear things out side your bubble, like I said you may read and listen to the two posts I referenced....

I would expect to hear more from Moderate democrats from here out, BTW

That is not true, although it has gotten better over time....... May check out the 'Second Class' post and even the Young Turks post.....https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=175352238

Dems didn't get it before, we will see from here...

Thanks 12, Appreciate it...You're a good ally to the dems, the guilt by association thing has always been uncalled for...

Best to you and the missus

'Second Class'......7:20 on nails it perfectly :)

Hey my bad, I might even think you're alright, but ;)

Well if I'm wrong I'm wrong on this one, I see most of your comments were on another board......I took a lot of flak here defending him here ......He was right more than he was wrong and on BBB they just flat lied about him on tv and his views.......It was all about paying for it (inflation the concern), Nancy and dems were playing sunset games to get the price right....

Tlaib slandered him nearly every night on CNN saying he hated children and the like......Make no mistake it did end his career in the democratic party.....

To bad, he was about bipartisanship at a time we needed it....

If I was wrong, I was wrong

Back to I'm glad Im not drinking coffee again :)......So I call bs, I was here discussing infrastructure and bbb with you and the board..........You even think he is a Coal Baron with a net worth of 10 million...roll eyes

You're getting a real Coal Baron in Justice

Prejudice much..........Enjoy Justice, Lol...

You hated Manchin, now look