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These larger, more permanent units that EM spoke about in the last message will be built "per contract." These are not the more slimmer/sleeker/lighter/smaller versions he talked about that would be needed for the hospital market, which will require some advanced down-sizing and packaging, which will be funded from within and fro our LOC. These larger, permanent models are easily and QUICKLY built TO ORDER AS SOON AS we have a deposit in hand. MZEI has notified many companies/entities that we are NOW READY TO BUILD these larger units. These units could potentially be built AND SHIPPED within 2-3 weeks from whence we receive a contract/deposit. The notices JUST went out SEVERAL DAYS AGO. IMO, I expect to see a few of THESE initial AsepticSure units in the field before the end of January...how MANY units, I don't know, but I'd guess at least a handfull. Before the first USA hospital beta trial, which Ed said would happen early in 2011, we likely will have several larger units already in operation throughout certain parts of the world.
Maybe you ARE smarter than the average bear.
Yea, me too. I'm supposed to return to the USA Dec. 28, but not too confident about it. We don't realize how good we have it in the good ole USA. Snow removal and de-icing over here is Abbot and Costello stuff.
Nice job, Semper fi.
Business, ANY business (not unlike life) is an extremely fluid situation. While it's true that the scenario I spoke about involved a private company, the same thing has happened with public companies too - even big board public companies. But just to follow your own line of thought, ANY OTC company is not unlike a small private firm in most every way except for the regulatory red tape - as these small mostly penny stock companies are rarely heard of and frankly, 95% of them get less resepct that small private firms...even though many notable BB companies began life as penny stocks. I'll make you a bet Ben: I'll bet you that almost the SAME (if not identically) scenario happens with MZEI as what happened with the company(s) I shared about in the post. Nevertheless, MZEI is definetely in the "catbird" seat and the next 90 days surely will be life changing for this company.
First the cake, then the icing.
"the company" was private; All of this occurred within the last 7 years. As previously mentioned, they received "a contract for ongoing R&D, for field support, and technical advice." In addition they of course received a VAST multi million dollar buyout, as well as a PERCENTAGE of the profits PER UNIT as a result of their "mousetrap." Of course they profited and yes, it likely WAS the right course of action for them, and they CONTINUALLY profit. Could they/would they have profited even MORE by keeping the "mousetrap" for themselves? Perhaps, but who knows? The profits/benefits that the "big dog" received were multi faceted and while easy to understand, is really not important here. I saw ALL of this happen "from the inside" NOT as an outsider, so understand that I can't speak much more about it.
I remember two or three other times in my career where a "company" like MZEI created a new mousetrap; did all the R&D; did all the grunt work; APPLIED for all the patents; came right to the brink of retail rollout, then ALL OF A SUDDEN, a "big dog" showed up on their doorstep - a "big dog" who had silently learned of, been following, and been doing their OWN D and D about "the company" for many months - just waiting for "the company" to "prove the efficacy" of said product/market/mousetrap...as well as perfecting the same, and then at the last moment the "big dog" swooped in and made a deal to aquire "the company" in its entirety, and ALSO at the same time, signing "the company" to a contract of "continual support and advanced R&D" for so many years with "the right to extend" that agreement as well. Thereby, the original innovator ("the company") never even marketed their product (much less retail it). In fact, I only remember NO PR and ONLY one or two articles ever being written about "the company" and their "proposed" new mousetrap before I read an article announcing that they had been acquired. The mousetrap took about 3 years to develop; they had shared their idea with the world only for about the last 20% of the development period - but long after they had already applied for multiple patents; they even had announced that within 6 months their mousetrap would be ready for sale. Then a few weeks went by without ANY news, then one day everyone read that a "big dog" had acquired "the company" in it's entirety AND that they intended to LICENSE THE MOUSETRAP AND TECHNOLOGY TO ALL THEIR COMPETITORS! Needly to say, just the licensing agreements more than paid for the acquisition while at the same time improving "big dogs'" OWN internal interests by as much as 50%.
Can you relate this fact to the MZEI story? I sure can!
AbsoLUTELY. I'd LOVE to be the "suit" who brought MZEI to the boardroom of "the big dog." He (she) could tout THAT deal as the pinacle of his/her career for sure! Can you say: Bonus?
Thanks for the nice find, lady GoFor. That chart looks VERY interesting. It's amazing how much these top companies spend just on R&D every year - especially in THIS economy. All the more evidence that ANY one of these companies could easily "write the check" for medizone and not even blink. Even 2 BILLION for MZEI would be less than HALF of JUST THE AVERAGE that these companies spent on R&D - even in the most recent reporting period. Looking back to pre 2009 levels, acquiring MZEI would be so miniscule to them, that it MIGHT go unnoticed within the larger companies. Can you imagine how much ACQUIRING MZEI would ADD to the profit picture of said company? It has the potential to INCREASE the share price of even the larger companies by as much as 30% within the first couple of years and likely could double the share price of these smaller companies, IMO.
Another important note: THESE companies have performed SOLIDLY over the last two years as well.
Top U.S. R&D Spenders in U.S. dollars (IN MILLIONS):
Merck & Co. 8,334.3 8,425.0 6,474.0
Pfizer, Inc. 7,945.0 7,845.0 6,607.0
Johnson & Johnson 7,577.0 6,986.0 4,862.0
Lilly (Eli) & Co. 3,840.0 4,326.5 3,446.1
Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. 3,512.0 3,647.0 2,556.0
Amgen, Inc. 3,030.0 2,864.0 2,010.0
Abott Laboratories 2,688.8 2,743.7 2,667.0
Medtronic 1,335.0 1,451.0 n/a
Biogen Idec Inc. 1,072.1 1,283.1 957.8
Monsanto 1,033.0 1,113.0 938.0
Source: Battelle/R&D Magazine/Company information
Interesting...3M already has lab(s) in or close to Innovation Park; They already are supplying us with proprietary tape in accordance with our application requirments; They've recently invested rather heavily in another "different application" ozone company (but not all that heavily realative to what they spend on R & D every year according to the graph);....hmmmm...........sounds very intriguing to me.
I had a conversation with Ed many many months ago about this very subject. Yes, EM mentioned that there was another option or two relative to "uplisting" than simply NASDAQ, and his thoughts at the time were that they might be a better option/fit for MZEI shareholders. I don't remember anymore than that. There's SO many things coming to fruition right now and gelling NATURALLY as a result of everything that's transpired these last several months that MZEI is just trying to stay onto of the snowball as it rolls down the hill.
Whatever course is chosen as we head to uplisting will likely be further down the road, and really something MZEI is not even thinking about at this juncture. It's not impossible, nor is it improbable, that we could be trading heavily in the multiple dollar range for many months even before we have time to deal with that. Perhaps also we might get absorbed by a "big dog" even before that occurs too, and thereby simply "become" a part of THEIR stock portfolio on whatever big board they are listed with.
Whomever the production partner is, likely they have serious experience building actual medical devices, which will help eliminate issues pertaining to the makeup of the machines themselves in sensitive areas such as surgical suites and clean rooms. I assure you that whomever we choose to build the various AsepticSure units, they’ll be the right fit for us, as for the last 6 - 8 months no stone has been left unturned in determining who gets our contract in this phase of our company's progress. I’d doubt many of us will know who they are, as, IMO, they’re likely Canadian (makes sense doesn’t it?). But regardless, whomever they are will likely be known by the medical community and “the big dogs” who actually use their products. IMO, whoever we choose to build our units will also be an IMPORTANT factor for whomever “the big dog” is that we choose to partner with in the final phase of full retail rollout.
Reading the message: .... "We are also in the final stages of identifying our production partner for this aspect of the program. Announcements may be expected around mid- January."
OBVIOUSLY there have already been discussions with "partners" and OBVIOUSLY more than one. And OBVIOUSLY things must be very serious and very close to final for Ed to have revealed so much about it and given such a close time line for it. I'd think at this point that we have two or more "partners" competing for our alliance. This much is easily gleaned from Ed's statement. Sounds like January will be very interesting indeed, and when the lid comes off, stock won't be available fast enough...which supply/demand dictates that we could be looking at a gold rush within a month.
ANY parnter that (might already be) is a candidate to partner with us would HAVE to be LARGE, well organized, and therefore, noteable. Anybody with LESS than those credential could never help us and we'd never entrust our family jewels to them.
It's clear to me now that hospitals aren't going to put us on the map (at least in the next 90 days). Gov/industrial apps will. I don't know IF we HAVE a bread and butter at this point as ALL THREE market segments seem equally vitally important. Furthermore, the gov/ind apps will be HUGELY more profitable per unit/application.
Over the last 11 months, MZEI has averaged almost 1.8 PR's/chairman's messages per month. IMO, they are way ahead of the average anyway.
Obviously, many things have been going on behind the scenes that required a measure of wisdom and confidentiality. Looks like the cat is almost out of the bag. It's amazing that we've come this far this quickly with as few people as we have. We're definietly in the home stretch now.
Best written press release I've ever witnessed. Covered ALL topics, left NO doubts, put ALL the cards on the table.
This completely confirms what's been hinted at and what I've thought for some time: That we are going to "custom build" machines in certain industries on a contract/need basis. These machines, while perhaps being quite different per application/inducstry/company, are still intellectually "brained" by our computer/application processes, so the ammunition remains the same while the delivery mechanism will be custom built for the application/site.
These units will now obviously be our first retail "builds," while the "hospital units" will be rather generic, suticase size, no doubt.
AND a POSSIBLE anouncement about a production partner as early as MID January, 2011!! The elves must be VERY busy at Innovation Park.
NEWS OUT! Check out Chairman's message!!!!!!
I was a shareholder then as well. Actually I had acquired 1.5 million shares back in those days - at double today's prices, so I'm well aware of those disappointing times, BUT I also had a signed CA with MZEI a that time, and I KNOW that everything "Groundel related" was on the up and up. It just didn't work out and for more than one reason. The reasons it did NOT work out, I won't (and can't), elaborate on.
What's happened with MZEI in the last 30 months is not only a completely new chapter, but a completely new company in many ways. EM has MANY more "heads" working with him towards the same goal this time around.
Some people here are impatient or are upset because we've missed calcualated time lines - especially since about February 2010. While I've done my best here on IHUB to give some strong indications as to how and why those time lines were missed, if people STILL dn't get it, I'm sorry. Business USUALLY is a very fluid situation at best, much less something like MZEI has done and IS doing. EM could post one message every week and I assure you that half the shareholders would pick it apart; take words and sentences out of context - like they've done mine even most recently; and try to burn him at the stake. Why? Because they have NO clue of how difficult what MZEI has done these last 30 months actually is, NOR do they care. All they want to do is complain and bring their negativity to bear, replace the visionary of the company, and bring about martial law. MZEI can only reveal to the public what is NOT proprietory. If shareholders can't understand that or want to realize where our company actually is at this juncture, then PLEASE sell out and put your money somewhere else, or start your OWN ozone company and get a taste of just how difficult, time consuming, and gut wrenching starting a company (let alone a new industry) from scratch actually is. There's NO speech, NO PR that is going to make this come to fruition ANY FASTER. What's VITAL is that everything is done TO PERFECTION BEFORE we roll it out. Anything SHORT of that would likely ENSURE failure. In business, not everyone given a task is able to complete it for one reason or another, therefore the results must be dealt with and overcome. MZEI is on the brink of great things. It's too bad that some people can't see that.
Well, within the next few months, I suppose we'll see how you'll rate me and my tme on this board.
TG, I don't know Eversall, but I think his hands are kind of tied. We're in that period of time between the closing of the last phase and the beginnning of the final phase. I dotting and T crossing is and has been done and there were a couple of other studies that are wrapping up internally. Whether Ed plans on a "fire side chat" before Christmas or not, I'm not sure, although I strongly encouraged it. We'll see. All is good but things just can't be rushed at ths point. As most people saw in yesterday's "outside PR," it takes longer for things like this to get out and about than we normally would think in this "information age." But there will be other articles like that to follow in the normal course of things. 2011 will be the culmination of two decades of efforts, just be patient...although I know it's difficult.
They'll happen soon enough, with other things happening even sooner. Unlike most other OTC stocks who don't post news even regularly or post only fluff, or only perpetuate a shell game, which most of them are, there is solid substance here, but it's very proprietory and must be handled very delicately. Too let the cat out of the bag too soon would put us at great risk.
Yes, that's true, BUT this article was published December 12 2010. I'm not surprised that OUR news releases are just now beginning to appear in publications like this. Likely, someone on the publication's staff found it and saw that it was quite interesting and pertinent to their newsletter. IMO, within several days from now, MZEI and articles and PR's about us and AsepticSure will be popping up all over the internet. Count on it.
Uhhh, I don't know what that is, but does it go good with Blanton's or Maker's Mark?
Rest assured that everyday more than a few MZEI people - including those on the inside - are bombarding every known avenue to help raise awareness. I'm not a hyper, I just post some things as it seems clear to me based on what I know. While the entire process has not been a cake walk, it's actually been much easier and without the hickups that we expected along the way due to the passion and efforts mostly of Ed and Dr. Shannon. We've not had the budget of a Fortune 500, and I think we've done amazingly well with the revenue we've had and we've had to be very careful how and when we spend it. As I've already said, we did have a little setback of 3 months or so, but everything is tracking great now. For those who need to sell temporarily for holiday money, I understand, but IMO, it would be very risky at best. Regards!
NO....it's NOT out of the question....It would be wise to read my posts thoroughly.
Absolutely!
I don't think you'd have any argument against that.
Amen.
Gees, NOW I understand why Ed is gun shy about these little "fire side chats." Don't take things I write out of context, please. They're written with the best intentions and are as factual as I can make them.
I didn't say jump overnight to $6-12. I said from .30 - $3.00 in a few days....which, by the way, it has DONE so BEFORE.
Hi Harpola. Sorry I guessed wrong on your genderJ. Well, I really don’t know how I could make my reply any clearer, really. But I’ll do my best. While many people are aware (and I’d argue that ALL people are that aware) of HAI’s, food contamination, etc., it really stands to reason that not everyone (or even that many) would have heard of MZEI yet. While we have spent some money on PR - quite a chunk for us, but just a drop in the bucket compared to big companies like J and J, 3M, Phizer, GM, Ford, etc., it is just pre-mature to think we were, until perhaps about now, front page news - or even back page news in more widely read news media. Think about it: while we’ve had amazing results with all that we’ve done, we didn’t have a finished, “retail” product to put before the public. Look at the big car makers for instance: while you MIGHT see a prototype vehicle before it’s actually seen at the car dealership, it’s not until orders are ready to be taken and inventory actually begins to ship and it APPEARS AT THE AUTO SHOWS that you even BEGIN to see any advertising on that particular model/product. To waste much money on PR BEFORE you’re actually to that point would be futile. All it would do is perhaps get everybody excited and ready prematurely, and by the time (in our case) maybe 12 months or so later from when we began hiring serious PR firms late last year, we’re finally ready to take orders/ ship retail units, the excitement has all but died. In order for intense PR to be effective, it must have the precise, proper timing. MZEI so far, has spent about 1/10th of what ONLY ONE 30 second prime time TV spot would cost. A PR firm such as we’ve hired, can only do so much. People (meaning serious media sources) just want more “meat” on MZEI before they throw us any bones - and they’ve actually told us this. And to everyone close to the situation, we all think it’s a reasonable expectation. Yes, maybe we could have spent $200,000.00 on a few prime time 30 Second TV spots, but what would we tell them?: “Well, we are MZEI and we have a solution for HAI’s etc. etc., based on what we’ve done in our lab and in our first hospital trial, but we don’t have our gizmo completed yet nor can we show you what it looks like just yet, but we will have it finished in a few months, and then we can show it to you and let you see exactly how it works. So, please stay tuned….” So, as you can understand, it made MORE sense to invest that $200,000 in completing our project rather than blow the money on a premature fireworks show. In the MEANTIME, with our own PR and the PR firms that we’re currently using, we’re bending as many ears as will listen - from governments, to hospitals, to sports franchises, to news agencies around the world, etc., trying to get the word out as much as possible without having to liquidate too many assets in that endeavor. There will SOON be a time when we can actually send out emails, PR’s, news blurbs, etc., in which we can INCLUDE full photos of the finished, retail models, operation instructions (not unlike the UK ad that appeared a couple months ago), etc., which will be extremely more successful in getting our message across. But, it’s of the utmost importance to have ALL our I’s dotted and T’s crossed BEFORE hand - in addition to photos, and finished retail models, before we take center stage., which is what we’re presently completing. Make NO mistake, the “big boys” KNOW who we are and what we’re doing and are watching closely, following our progress intently. To say too much prematurely could also damage us, even set us back, or simply cause us to spend precious money unwisely. There are several things within MZEI that are nicely coming together currently and there’s nothing that can derail, or even hinder us at this point. Did we think that the last two PR’s would have doubled our share price? Of COURSE we did! But, when you break it down as I just have, it’s also understandable, especially in this economy, and after so many failures with other endeavors in the public as well as the private sectors over the last 10-11 years, that more “meat” is required to make people really believe in something again. MZEI is the right elixir at the RIGHT time. This will likely be one of those opportunities that could quickly escalate from .30 to $3.00 in a matter of days. Some close to the situation believe we could see $6.00 immediately after we cross the finish line. I’d think that we’d look pretty attractive to the stock market in general at anything up to $12.00 per share at that point, personally, but it’s anybody’s guess. Depending on who we choose to partner with, I suppose there’s an argument that it might could double that figure. Truly, the sky’s the limit and currently, MZEI is fueled and ready for takeoff.
You’re truly a classy lady, Harpola. Thank you for the nice post. I’ll try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge and hopefully it’ll help fill in the blanks.
No, there is absolutely NO desire to “keep things quiet until things are further along.” It was thought by everyone close to MZEI that the last couple of news releases would easily have us into the .40+ range. Everyone can (and have) speculated on what it will take to bump the stock drastically at this point. While some have speculated that there have been too many “missed timelines,” all we can say is we hate it as well, but there were many “cogs in the tranny,” and things just sometimes happen despite all efforts to the contrary. In FACT, we had the CHOICE to save about 3 months of time, but it was decided that it was in the best interest of our FUTURE clients AS WELL AS our shareholders to “not offer any wine before it’s time.” We want to present to the world THE BEST EFFORT we can produce THE FIRST TIME AROUND. We all understand that this is quite contrary to most business practices these days, but taking the high road, so to speak, is usually not the most popular way.
While MZEI COULD put out fluffy weekly PR’s and/or chairman’s messages about this, that, or the other, these seem (and actually are) cheesy at best. I remember one particular company that was thrown around here several weeks ago as perhaps being some kind of “competition” for us. After one or two of the moderators on this board actually making direct contact with that company (and it’s CEO) to unravel the substance of what they “claimed” to have accomplished. It quickly became apparent that they were simply a “name dropping” fluffy pr, smoke and mirrors, dog and pony show, not dissimilar to many commercial products sold 50 years ago to an unsuspecting (and unprotected) public. EM has been VERY careful to NOT post anything that was not considered major, forward motion news - even though there have been MANY times when it just nawed him to the bone to not say this, or try to clear up that, etc. Yes, some of us speak to him, but not on a regular basis and for sure not every week - by email or by phone. But also there are some of us who are in business - not dissimilar in many respects to many various aspects of what makes up MZEI, so when we speak to him, perhaps (and hopefully) we have a good perspective of what’s actually going on, what’s happening, what’s trending, what the MZEI guys (and galJ) are feeling, etc. There’s been much advice and comments given along the way (mostly constructive, I hope), and I think all parties have gleaned from the communication. From my perspective, and I think also from a few others like me, perhaps (and in reality, we’ve been led to believe) some of the PR hopes to “put us on the map” may have been a little premature. Many of us who have solicited some PR from the “big dogs” (and there have been MANY of us on a regular basis) have been often told “we would like to see just a LITTLE more before we put our two cents in…” So, hopefully, within the next few to several weeks they’ll ALL have “their LITTLE more,” and the fireworks will indeed begin.
Those who are BY FAR the most heavily invested here also (fortunately) are among the brightest here (and it kills me to say thatJ), and they, management, and MANY others also heavily invested here - those who post here as well as those who don’t, are ALL on the same page and we all realize that things happen for a reason and first things must happen first. It’s only when there is NOT a plan; when it is NOT executed in a preconceived way, and compromises are made under pressure and to appease the masses, do things have the BEST chance of going wrong. MANY times AsepticSure could have MUCH easier have become “a private project” and left the MZEI shareholders out in the cold, but EM has refused all those comers. One thing that “those of us closest to the Marshalls” have learned is that Ed is honest to a fault and has always put MZEI shareholders first. OTHERWISE we’d ALREADY be selling AsepticSure units - that weren’t up to the standards that we wanted to present to the world. It’s this pursuit of this hoped for “perfection” that is the hardest on Ed and the board right now and nobody feels worse than Ed that retail release won’t transpire before the first of 2011. But he (and all of us close to him as well) know and understand that what’s happening NOW is BY FAR the best thing in the LONG run for EVERYONE.
While there are some here who doubt MZEI’s leadership or Ed’s leadership abilities on this strength or that strength, he has NEVER been alone in the hard decisions. Also, to his credit, he’s always been open for input, but just like most other people, he prefers positive disagreementJ. There’s an old saying: “It’s nice to be important, but it’s important to be niceJ.” MZEI has been successful in CREATING something LIFE CHANGING. There really have been NO other bench marks or models to go by. One Fortune Five Hundred executive once said: “We are simply amazed at how much small companies and mom and pops can do on their own with limited resources, limited people, limited facilities and equipment, and without any marketing support.” With that in mind, we must reflect on the fact that we began this project only 30 months ago, have spent less that 5 million dollars to date, and have created (from scratch) and entirely new science application, a technology, a business, and a humanitarian benevolence that likely will not only change the world, but be worth many BILLIONS of dollars in the VERY NEAR future. Very, very soon, the PR’s will flow like warm honey - not from within MZEI but from every corner of the world. There is absolutely nothing that can hinder this; nothing that can derail this; and absolutely NOTHING that can stop it. The “setbacks” are all behind us now. It’s no longer a matter of time, but a matter of fact.
That's what I and others on this board (as well as EM)have been saying all along! It's as sweet a financing deal as it gets - unless you're borrowing money at straight prime rate - like only a handfull of HEALTHY big board companies are these days. Even Harley Davidson took out a loan about 18 months ago (with Warren Buffet) @ 15% APR! If Mammoth did not KNOW what the near future holds, they'd NEVER, EVER, NEVER would have offered those terms. They were EXCITED to have the opportunity to offer us the LOC...unlike most other tutes which always act as if they're doing YOU a favor.
To the five day average immediately prior to a specific draw down.
Look "dude" do your own DD on the subject and you can find it out for yourself. It's not rocket science.
AGM's are not "required" annually. This question was raised many years ago and word came back from the SEC that it was NOT a requirement. I've been involved in a few other OTC companies as well that never had regular annual AGM's. While it is PREFERRED it is NOT demanded. Anyway, as Ben pointed out last night, and as I think even Ed alluded to earlier, there will be an AGM in the first part of 2011 anyway. These things are expensive and time consuming and I'm sure MZEI will want to kill 2-3 birds with one stone so no money is wasted.