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I won't agree to disagree because I'm 100% correct. CoB IS flogging the non Dryer old SI.
(post#)=3
I asked you why you are here on IHUB posting? This is the back door (secret entry) to that other site:
http://firefly.sparse.org/~mrt/cgi-bin/t.cgi?field=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.siliconinvestor.com%2Findex.gsp
Reid
I stand corrected as far as your experience with SI is concerned. Nevertheless, I disagree it's another Yahoo and I disagree CoB puts the posters in control. (If anything, it puts the thread heads in control and in a POTENTIAL abusive position. JMHO, of course.) No point arguing further about it, we'll just have to agree to disagree for the moment and, if either one of us changes his mind in the future, I'm sure we'll be a gentleman about it and say as much.
Cheers,
Sam
post 3
. I think you should consider visiting SI, take the time to read some of the better threads, and form your own opinion rather than taking on the opinion of your buddies here.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=27793
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=36493
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=36425
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=36859
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=34731
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=34844
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=36030
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=36398
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=36426
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=36692
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=36323
OK now that I toured SI and still think it is YAHOO I will remain on IHUB where CoB is a work of art in the making.
People who come from ANY other site structure are always dumbfounded when trying to understand Matt's CoB.
CoB is nothing more or less then a thread and it's posters being in control of their own fate. An understanding of CoB and IHUB TOU puts everyone here in control of their future as far as posting is concerned.
# 2 or 3
Reid
... just don't disagree with me about a trade.<ggg>
If you've got a winning record... that's a-ok w/ me.
Sam
post 3
I should clarify something in my previous post. When I say "won't sell out to a corporation", it would've been more correct to omit the word "out".
Brad and Jeff didn't "sell out" to Go2Net. They "sold" to them because it was at a juncture where it needed the backing of a larger company to really move on to the next level. They stayed with the site for as long as they were able to handle the fact that it was no longer really their baby.
Like Bob said, what kind of salary are you going to offer me?
I pay my employees in cheeseburgers ... all the cheeseburgers you can eat. Yes you can trade from work ... just don't disagree with me about a trade.<ggg>
Lola:)
Like Bob said, what kind of salary are you going to offer me?
Sam
PS And will you allow me to trade from work??
post 2
Thanks for your reply Bob. I apologize for losing it earlier but I'm very vocal about my feelings especially when I'm angry. One day I might give you my background so you will understand why I'm nuts. Knowing a person's background helps to understand how they process information making it easier to understand their decisions.
I own an Internet startup company myself and trust me watching you and Matt try to figure out how to make this venture work makes my job look easy. My business doesn't involve stocks or message boards and the customers all seem quite sane. I count my blessings.
Lola:)
Which leads into a partial answer of your question...
That was a much nicer way to speak to the lady, Bob.
Sam
post 2
SI is now a Yahoo
Respectfully, I strongly disagree. I do not believe SI even begins to approach Yahoo's noise level. Or even RB's for that matter. I think you should consider visiting SI, take the time to read some of the better threads, and form your own opinion rather than taking on the opinion of your buddies here.
Sam
post 1
I wasn't looking for a job Bob ... you're safe ...
Couldn't resist replying to this part now.
Whether or not I'm "safe" isn't really an issue for me.
I'm 42 years old and (barely) have the drive and energy left in me for one more of these startups, and I think I've teamed up with precisely the folks (especially Matt) who can make it work this time and won't sell out to a corporation who sees the community only as an insignificant upward blip on their deep red bottom line.
But many days I have to admit I do get tired of the struggle and wonder why I'm in it again. I have to constantly remind myself that the current struggle is a necessary part of turning this into a successful venture that runs essentially on autopilot and won't continue to drain my finite remaining life-force. (Matt, at your age you're immortal, so you won't understand this part yet. <g>)
If it weren't for that long-term vision, I'd really rather be puttering around in the garage or finishing the workshop and doing *major* puttering in it.
I'm my own worst enemy on that, though. I could just kick back and relax and enjoy the years I've got left, but I'm stubborn. The whole "message board" thing hasn't really been done yet the way I think it can be done, so I hang in there because I want it to and I want to be a part of that happening.
Which leads into a partial answer of your question. I'm heavily into message boards and the communities that use them because, in addition to being a programmer and consultant for many years, I was the SysOp of one of the larger BBSes in the country for about a decade and carried the entire FidoNet backbone on my site and moderated some of the echos. I shut it down about 8 months after I joined SI and I could see that message boards as I knew them were not long for this world and I wanted to be involved in what was going to replace them.
Now, what kind of salary are you going to offer me? <g>
How much of a message board would Matt have if he required posters to pay during the start up phase?
The Dryer brothers got it right.
If so then why are you here?
I am here because I like CoB and am willing to pay IHUB if that what it takes to get multi ID posters under control. SI is now a Yahoo. IHUB is a young SI of old before the Dryers left.
As a friend of mine said to me privately; "even at $10 an ID, it would slow down most of the people who abuse this ability."
Post 1
My stock related post:
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=99758
Reid
It won't roll over onto this one. It's been Naz-proof for ages. Been staying dead money just fine while the Naz does its gyrations.
Didn't sell, but did enter a somewhat optimistic GTC that I think will fill tomorrow and give me a chance to reload on a pullback.
post 1
OOPS, I must of missed that. OK, fair enough. Darn, it's after six now. Getting on over to my board. post # 2. SH
Julys! Oy! Did you sell? The Naz is in the process of rolling over.
It's in the thread header (and makes sense):
Since I will not (for now, at least, and maybe never) post on-topic commentary in stock threads, I am exempt from the "one on-topic stock-related post" rule. I will, however comply with the first rule, as I could also stand some practice in being more selective about my battles.
Simply put, it could be a conflict of interest for Bob to post anything market related considering his postion at ihub, so he's exempt from the rule.
Sam
post 6
What about Bob? How come he gets to post here without a related stock post? Or is he supposed to remain impartial? Post 31 and just in under the wire. SH
Finally, my stock post for today:
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=99673
Sam
post 5 or 6 or who knows... I've run out of fingers and the 6 o'clock hour is close at hand.
Too bad, though. I picked up a bunch of July OTM calls a couple of days ago on a favorite little sleeper (read: "been dead money in the stock for a long time") and it sprouted legs toward the close. One of the top 20 % gainers for the day.
post 5
I stand corrected. It's a statement (rather than a query) with a question mark on the end of it, so I should've considered it a question.
A fair answer. Not the nicest one necessarily but definitely fair.
I can do "nice", but choose not to in certain situations. And when I'm constantly under fire, "nice" is a bit difficult to conjure up. I'm doing good to supress "really, really hostile" at times, or at least redirect it.
post 3
"In fact, we've got one person here who has never been suspended here (to my knowledge) but who I never would've allowed back on SI after terminating them there long ago. I even suspended someone else here (who I don't recall ever suspending on SI) for having broken a rule in a post targeting the one I'd never let back on SI."
Not too hard to figure this one out......However, I do believe you very aggressively talked about past conduct on another site in a Private Message. This infuriated said person because it should have no bearing on the matter when a person was attacking the hell out of her for more than a month on two sites much of the time without a peep from said person. It went on for WEEKS AND WEEKS without a public peep from said person.
I could have my facts wrong, but I don't think so...if we are talking about the same person.
Post 4
I agree with you, gianni. And I think Bob should be included in that as well.
And Sam! Babe! No more of that "Lola should be the cover girl" chit, please. Whether or not she is beautiful has no bearing on her question.
In reply to: http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=99595
Fine. We have checks for the spammers. We have checks for the Chairman.
Now, How de we trust you and have checks for you?
And your suggestion for a way to make the checks and balances go full circle? I'm curious about this one.
I have been following this for a little while, and lurking on a few other threads, and you seem to allow certain people more liberty and I find you are not consistent.
Do you have any examples of this? I strive not to let that happen, and believe I'm not letting it happen, but I'm not perfect.
I do know of a recent example that could give the appearance of inconsistency. I recently booted someone for, among other things, being continually disruptive in this thread, but later when someone else came in here who was upset about that booting, and posted about 30 or so far more disruptive posts to the thread in a few hours' span, I did nothing. Well, I did something, but I didn't boot them.
Had I not been too swamped to notice what'd happened, I would've given them a warning and then a suspension if it continued. However, they got away with it.
Inconsistent? Arguably so.
However, there are factors that aren't discussed publicly that also came into play. Things like that person having no prior suspensions. That person not doing it just a couple of days after I'd reduced their 7-day suspension to about 2 1/2. My having publicly warned everyone about it and everyone, including the especially disruptive one, complying with my request and stopping the disruption.
If someone goes over the line, I warn them about it, and they back off, I don't go back and suspend them for going over the line if I later realize they'd done it to a greater extent than I'd realized. I'm consistent about that.
But since the things like warnings and suspensions aren't a matter of public record, people like to assume that only the thngs they saw with their own eyes are the things that really happened. As a Missourian, I can't blame them for wanting to see something before accepting it as reality, but I also don't automatically assume that things I didn't see never happened and devote tons of energy to bemoaning the unfairness of it.
An important (to me) of the philosophy of doing this job is that suspensions aren't used as punishment for every misdeed. They're used when it seems apparent that future conduct won't improve without them. Quite different from the real world.
Yet, whomever you convinced to get the position must either be very naive or trust you very much? Which was it?
I think it was the latter.
If the young fellow named Matt made the decision, what did he base his judgment on to hire you?
I'm not Matt so I don't know the answer to that question, and even if I knew, I'd consider it nobody's business but his own.
You seem to have more detesting your style than supporting it,
"seem" to? I haven't really tallied up the numbers, but it seems to be more in favor than against. It's not like there are hundreds on one side and thousands on the other. I'm thinking it's closer to about 10 for and 5 against.
But that's immaterial. It's Matt's site, so it's his call. He can fire me if he wants. His site; his call.
Personally, I do care what the majority of people think of the job I'm doing, but more important to me is that this site (or any site with which I'm associated) is a level playing field for the participants and not a scammers' haven.
and that maybe skewed because my understanding is that this Frank gentleman was suspended because of his past rather than what he was doing here.
I can't get into any specifics, but can assure you it was for current conduct on this site; not past conduct on another site.
In my time here so far, I have suspended people I know full well I never suspended on SI, some of whom were members there and some who I don't know to have been, and in no case was their history on another site ever a factor.
In fact, we've got one person here who has never been suspended here (to my knowledge) but who I never would've allowed back on SI after terminating them there long ago. I even suspended someone else here (who I don't recall ever suspending on SI) for having broken a rule in a post targeting the one I'd never let back on SI.
I'm sure some of the people I've suspended here would be considered "cronies" of mine by another poster, though I disagree with the assertion that they are.
The assertion that I suspend people based on their conduct on another site is patently false, no matter how loudly it's shouted or how frequently the same few people shout it.
If we have someone that executes very strong controls over this new concept, well my personal opinion is...This won't
last!!!
And my opinion is that if we don't, this won't last.
I'm inclined to think that the ownership of the site is in agreement with me on this or they wouldn't have hired me to help the site grow and to change its reputation and the aspects of it that'd caused that reputation.
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If, in reality, the intention was to let the status quo continue, including deletion of posts that shouldn't be deleted, and my hiring was simply as a figurehead to add credibility to such a scheme, I shall be very put out.
I firmly believe that in a stock discussion, you simply cannot have the whim of a person invested in the stock be all the reason necessary to remove a post.
I can see the attraction of a site in which each person who starts a thread has 100% discretion over the contents of the thread but to apply this model, without real oversite, to market discussions is to give Trouble a nicely-engraved invitation on gold leaf and I would never be willingly associated with such an endeavor.
Edit: post 2
"Matt should charge everyone one of us to post here. You should be ashamed of yourself wanting Matt to pay from HIS pocket for your personal entertainment. "
How much of a message board would Matt have if he required posters to pay during the start up phase?
The Dryer brothers got it right.
Post 3
LOL! I agree. But since I'm a director coraling the CoB, I bet Bob still makes me post a stock related message. LOL! (just kidding Bob)
Sam
post 4 (I think)
The Directors and the COB should be exempt from having to make stock posts and from the rule of 10 because they are here to corral an unruly mob and that necessitates posts.
Post 2
Oh. You didn't express it as a question and if I remember right, you weren't directing it to me anyway.
Ah... come on, Bob. Here's the post:
"I'd like to know what Bob's qualifications are for this job besides his former position at SI?"
It's definitely a question, but it does appear to be addressed to anyone. If someone were to say "Is Sam Chinese?", rest assured I would take it upon myself to answer if I heard the question.
But let's not start wallowing in spelling or grammar flames.
The particulars of my resume or why I was hired are of no consequence to anyone but the owners of the site.
A fair answer. Not the nicest one necessarily but definitely fair.
Sam
post 4
PS Dang it... now I have to go write something stock related. Going to visit OBOX... BRB.
I can see why Ms. Lisa nominated you for this position. Imagine Bob taking her up on two suggestions.... Smchan and including a post number.
Now, how do I number my posts again
Post 1
I don't think they're currently taking applications.
Bob.. she was not asking for a job, she was asking what your qualifications were. Lola would make a wonderful ihub covergirl, but I bet none of us could afford her - but oh, imagine what it would do for the site traffic!
Sam
PS You number your posts like this "post 3"
Oh. You didn't express it as a question and if I remember right, you weren't directing it to me anyway.
The particulars of my resume or why I was hired are of no consequence to anyone but the owners of the site.
Post #2
I wasn't looking for a job Bob ... you're safe ... I'm sure nobody envies your position. It was a simple question about your background that could be simply answered but I'll understand if you don't want to answer it.
Simple answers to simple questions are hard to come by on this website.
Lola:)
Sorry. I don't think they're currently taking applications. But you're more than welcome to apply, although I'm not sure what the minimum qualifications or past job experience requirements are. At first blush, one would think playground monitor would look best on the resume, but it's not on mine.
It's only for this thread... something about keeping track of how many posts you've made in a 6 hour period and not being allowed to make more than 10. It's in the thread header.
You'd think the dang computers could do the counting for us, wouldn't you??
Sam
post 2
My instincts were right then.
Adios.
Lola:)
I'd like to know what Bob's qualifications are for this job besides his former position at SI?
I hear that Bob was a dirt farmer.
I won't be making many posts on this website.
post # 2
What the hell is that about?
I feel like I'm in some sort of cult.
Lola:)
I'd like to know what Bob's qualifications are for this job besides his former position at SI?
Shoot... I dunno... Bob? resume?
Sam
PS If you weren't so darn nice lookin', I'd remind you to number your posts. 8-}
post 1
I'd like to know what Bob's qualifications are for this job besides his former position at SI?
Lola:)
A large number of publishers (you and I as examples) may not be appreciative of what Matt has afforded us…………for free.
I appreciate it, but he's going to have to get me "hooked" on his stuff before I'm willing to buy it. (It's not a bad business model; it's worked in other industries you know!)
As for the value I get right now at this moment; I'm not willing to pay very much - maybe $25 for a lifetime subscription. In time, that'll go up. I only paid $50 or so for my SI lifetime. Was paying monthly... $10 or so I think... then was offered a free id so I took it. I was on the verge of forking over the $200 or so a lifetime costed there before the freebie was offered. Bob, correct me please if my SI numbers are bad off. I really can't recall what they were.
I've bookmarked a few TA threads... time will tell whether I'll get value out of them or not.
Eventually Bob's gonna need more juice for his Mustang, so I imagine they'll come up with a revenue generating model sooner or later. :)
Sam
post 6
My last post tonight, #6 or #5 depending on deletions<g>.
Matt should charge everyone one of us to post here. You should be ashamed of yourself wanting Matt to pay from HIS pocket for your personal entertainment.
I for one would rather pay the charge upfront now, rather than risk the grand fathered statement by Matt that could be retracted.
The posting privileges granted on IHUB by Matt should not be allowed a tool of continued abuse by the foolish few who like to defecate where they eat. Dogs by their nature are smart enough not to do that.
A large number of publishers (you and I as examples) may not be appreciative of what Matt has afforded us…………for free.
I would rather pay at the door.
Addendum: If you are book marking TA threads (as few as they are here) I caution that your statement to me in your successive post is very alarming.)
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=98513
:8-)
Well, if I get grandfathered in, that'd be cooler than having to pay...
Thanks for the TA link. I've got it bookmarked.
Sam
post (somewhere between 1 and 10 - 4 I think?)
Humbly report, Sam, Matt regarding IH as a pay site and the impact on existing members:
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=98481
Oh, and talking stocks and TA? Have you seen this place?
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/board.asp?board_id=387
Cheers,
Svejk
This control by a thread head IS why I LOVE IHUB.
LOL! That's my problem with ihub. Of course, I choose to accept the TOU to have the privelege of posting here just the same.
As I said earlier, you violated the letter of the law; not the spirit. Sometimes folks get carried away with enforcing the law in a legalistic manner losing all sight of the spirit of the law just like the religious leaders did in Jesus' day. (The same leaders who held the commandent "you shall not murder" conspired to have Jesus tried and killed, but to them they were clean since they did not violate the letter of the law.) Note that I'm not trying to compare myself to Jesus in anyway... just coming up with a well-known, well-understood historical fact I think.
Besides, I'm feeling lazy and don't want to delete your post. I rather enjoyed reading it. My original statement (about deleting your post) was meant to be dripping in sarcasm so as to highlight my point of view.
Sam
post 3
My stock post, have you posted yours today??
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=98386
:8-)
Post 3 4 5 0r 4.
Reid
As a general rule, I don't recommend anything.
I do like CoB.
<g>
Post 3 or 2 depending if 1 was deleted, I never look back.
My glass or water is always 1/2 full.
:8-)
Reid
Delete my post if it did not fit within CoB "and" TOU.
This control by a thread head IS why I LOVE IHUB.
Just delete it!
Post 2 or 3
Reid
Reid, let me also add that despite all the wild allegations made with regard to my creating multiple id's or pretending to be multiple people, I've never, ever done that on ANY chat site including this one and SI. Where possible, my id's on these sites is "smchan" and when that one is taken, I usually try for "srmchan".
If ihub goes to a subscription model, I will pay assuming I've found a few threads I consider to be worthy of the price. As yet, I haven't found one, but I honestly haven't looked that hard b/c I have several on SI that keep me plenty busy. (Special kudos to TC and the Befriend the Trend Trading thread on SI where I starting learning about TA.)
I can afford the subscription price b/c I have no intentions of creating even a second id, and so far I'm scoreless w/ respect to suspensions on SI and ihub. (I can see Bob's finger hovering over that suspension button now!)
Sam
stock related post:
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=98452
post 3; maybe 4... who's keeping count?
Re posts 110 and 111. They were posts one and two. Sorry. I posted on the SEVU thread so I'm covered there. Now that I've used up another one of my ten, this is post #3 SH
Hey Reid, you forgot to number your post, but I'll let it stand anyways. 8-) (I do not like legalism, and you are well within the spirit of the thread's rules.)
Interesting point about worthwhile content and a good lead in on my opinion concernings whether Bob is bad or good for ihub. I'll tell you this much, without Bob I would've been gone a long time ago. I realize I don't always know the whole story, but I felt Matt's actions demonstrated a lack of experience w/ regards to acting as a chat sysop and I think he was overwhelmed with this (and other) responsibilities.
IMO there are still imbalances but I do believe Bob is trying hard to fix them in a peaceful manner. I just wish he'd hurry the heck up. I definitely saw a change in trend after Bob arrived. Without that trend change, I would've written this site off a long time ago.
All that aside, I would like to find a few TA threads where I feel comfortable but as yet I haven't found anything I like to keep up with. Suggestions are welcomed.
Sam
post 2 (i think)
I might asree with charging only if the fee is nominal. I probably would not be a poster at all if I had to pay a fee. For one thing I VERY RARELY pay for anything with a credit card over the net. I just don't feel comfortable doing that.
Vinny, reset your clock. SH
I signed up and paid for my SI account with a personal check. I liked SI at that time so much that I gave two additional SI accounts away as Christmas gifts to 2 friends and also paid by check.
Other means of money transfer are money orders, which protect you fully and are as good as cash. A wire transfer is also done on a routine basis today by many investors including myself which is secure.
Matt may even accept rolls of pennies shipped by Fed Ex or UPS.
I wonder what a merger of those two companies would be named, Fed-Up?
:8-)
Reid
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