Folks

It's perfectly reasonable to talk about corporations taking a couple of years to build out and adopt Windows 8.

At the same time, there are lots of companies that held onto Windows Vista, XP, ETC. and will now skip Windows 7.

More importantly, we have a contract with the DoD which at first glance seems troubling because it seems to indicate that the implementation is slower than we would all like. However, what if instead it was the DoD paying Wave to develop a system to simplify the installation of millions of LEGACY machines. Build a system to easily install 100,000 machines now for us, and you can use it to install it on 200 million LEGACY machines used by the corporations who need to be protected.

Now, I know I'm talking like a Wave Dreamer, but lest you forget, Babbage saw it all in his head in 1837, but it took a century to get there. For most of us longs, the start will be more than enough to enjoy a long, slow role in the development of KNOWN computing.

The are 10 kinds of people who understand KNOWN computing, those who do and those who don't. It ain't binary anymore. Alea Jaecta Est.

oknpv - the list is a lot longer with a few names I don't remember seeing before:

Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Ohio bureau of Workers Comp
Matson Navigation
Florida Farm Bureau
Defense Contract Management Agency (DCMA)
Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA)
as well, lot's of bitlocker stuff...

good weekend,
/c.

Dabears, a very good question!

It could be that with the release of WEM, wavoids all thought that preboot measurement was all done.

But WEM is Beta, and it sounds like while it was maybe complete for BIOS, it may not have been for UEFI. Now UEFI is very much more flexible and complex than BIOS, being easily programmable, meaning the opportunities for preboot malware skyrockets. So the introduction of UEFI will not only increase utility for enterprises but will also cause degrees of magnitude increases in malware risk. And with the increased risk the value proposition for deploying WEM, TPMs et al will increase dramatically as well.

cliff, the following line in your post should raise ones eyebrow:
quote:
"As part of the roadmap, Wave will develop attestation capabilities using the TPM that increase the trust level for online transactions and confirm the reliability of computer health metrics. Wave software enhances deployment scenarios for TPM-based features while extending the capabilities to previous Windows operating systems. "

"Wave will develop attestation capabilities using the TPM that increase the trust level for online transactions and confirm the reliability of computer health metrics."

Trust level for online transaction? Interesting to say the least...

unix,

Hope this helps:

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=72517537

Thanks awk!

awk....Last week there appeared on synnex what looks to me to be a series of orders for Bitlocker Mgmt. 27 entries over several years starting at SKU 3164759. There is no ID or clue that could allow me to even make any guess as to who this customer might be but it looks big & a serious commitment. So many of our big customers & partners have come by surprise & I hope this will be a good one & maybe relates to "backward compatibility".....to some TPM activations.
http://www.synnex.com/vendors/WAVE_SYSTEMS.html

Another 2.07 day,
By the way Windows 8 will change many many times before it hits the shelves. As a corporate OS it, has to change the look and feel before it'll be accepted. (Metro interface)
They're saying Oct 2012 release so maybe next year early adopters.
Another year for mainstream. So 2013-2014
Regards Unix

samk: TrustZone (EMBASSY)

I remain convinced that the "charts" - in essence - remain the same...

awk - could you please shed some light on the current status of
TrustZone and EMBASSY. Are we still in the box, or the charts
are different now?
Many Thanks!

Weby,

Wonder what happens when the MicroSoft marketing machine really kicks in touting how they embrace the TCG vision of hardware based security based on TPM's/E-Drives (SED's)and they provide a Trusted Measured Boot of their OS using the new UEFI Standard?

Will Google/Apple/Rim/HP/Samsung all with their own OS's shun this capability? Will there be separate security systems at play some based on Open Standards and others closed and proprietary??

If there are how will Gov'ts and Enterprises accommodate those various systems?? More silo's?? If they use hypervisors and get the cross licensing to do it (run various OS’s on one device) what will protect the Hypervisor?

If MicroSoft is successful in creating lots of media hype and the Large corporations want a secure system but can't migrate from Windows 7, Vista or XP yet, what will Microsoft tell the market?

One solution could be Go see Wave Systems they can set up your Legacy systems now. How many TPM's already out there? 500 million or so?

Who can provide the cloud services for the attestation capabilities of verifying the secure boot (WEM etc.) are there others??

Who has a commercially available certified TPM Element Manager for the DOD?

Lots of questions, the next few weeks and months should be exciting watching it play out.

Alea's matrix is being built ever so slowly but it's happening. JMO

awk, while Weby remarked on the reference to the roadmap in the Windows 8 PR, I wondered about the relevance of the last sentence.

"As part of the roadmap, Wave will develop attestation capabilities using the TPM that increase the trust level for online transactions and confirm the reliability of computer health metrics. Wave software enhances deployment scenarios for TPM-based features while extending the capabilities to previous Windows operating systems. "

No doubt this is a significant milestone, and it's not a bad thing that Mrs Cliff was able to maximize her TFSA purchase thanks to continued market oversight.

cliff

The legacy TPMs before Windows 8 ...

So, Microsoft is - finally - on board and touting TPMs at the 10 year anniversary of the famous Bill Gates "Trustworthy Computing" memo...

"Yes, but it will take several years before Windows 8 will be the main OS in corporations..."

That is the valid point many are making. But what does it mean, what is or will be the likely impact on Wave?

The main point is that Microsoft is doing it. Microsoft, as the most watched and most influential company in the IT field will make the private sector understand that a new and additional protection layer needs to be incorporated into the corporate protection layers.

Many enterprises have just recently upgraded to Windows 7, are not likely to want to again spend additional capital outlays for Windows 8 to take advantage of "Trustworthy Computing".

Wave provides the solution.

Wave enables all corporations with either Windows XP or Windows 7 to take advantage of Trustworthy Computing through Wave's backward compatibility. 500 million TPMs is quite a base!

This is something that is as important to Microsoft as it is to Wave.

It was unix that kindly focussed our attention on Bacelona.
Does fate decree this becomes a defining moment for Wave?

Price @ 4:06
5400 shares @ 2.1189

Dear Webs,

Don't forget SS speaks on Monday & maybe he will elaborate on today's announcements!!

Dabears

Exactly, I'd just add that I don't think you can separate the two. They both confirm the NEW role of the TPM and the need for TPM management in the basic architecture of computing.

I expect that more will be revealed by Wednesday.

I understand the frustration with the Nasdaq and the lack of an "efficent" market, but we just had it announced that the catbird seat sits between the non-existent start button and the operating system. Wave's stuff is about to become truly necessary. We have floundered for years because there was no critical need to turn on the TPMs

Unless I'm very wrong, the only thing that will change my mind is a conclusive argument that corporate IT staff can and will find a way around using and managing TPMs in the new structure. THAT IS THE PARADIGM SHIFT, IMO. iF Alea has an argument on how that gets done, I'm all ears. Remember, consumer machines will also become a part of this functioning system now too. WEM and WES are part of the overall design.

The System architecture has been engineered -- and I have asked and been told that every product will not take a long time to engineer, but that the initial design has led and will lead to more products that Wave is able to sell. It's good to be skeptical, but past performance does not necessarily indicate future results.

The Skeptics are suggesting that Wave is still a scam. Does anybody really think that a joint PR with American Megatrends in one PR, and another with a top MSFT guy quoted at length would be permitted by either company on the eve of Windows 8s beta announcement without there being a solid reality behind Wave's founder role in the TCG.

Does Wave have any patent to protect "Wave Endpoint Monitor"? Anyone know? Or is there any way to find out?

Another Down Day

Windows 8 Consumer Preview Could Launch Feb 29


Microsoft may launch the Consumer Preview (read: "open beta") of Windows in on Feburary 29th. Members of the press recently recieved an invitation to a special Windows 8 Customer Preview event in Barcelona as part of the Mobile World Congress trade show. The event is on the 29th, and it is assumed that the Customer Preview will be made available to the public in conjuction with it.

To be clear: Microsoft has confirmed with us that is did not announce the launch of the Consumer Preview on the 29th. The only thing communicated from Microsoft is an invitation to a press event. Still, the safe money is on the Consumer Preview launching at the same time, or at least very close, to the Barcelona event.
Note the precise nomenclature here. It is a “Consumer Preview”, rather than a “public beta”. Perhaps the shift from “public beta” to “Consumer Preview” is a function of a transition in the role of the program.

.The very idea of a “beta” is that it is incomplete, and the software vendor is soliciting feedback from real-world users through the beta program. Microsoft has switched to releasing a “preview” that is more or less feature complete and ready to go as a means of generating some anticipation for the actual product launch, but it isn’t necessarily expecting the consumer preview community to identify and report bugs. The software will undoubtedly be tweaked based on feedback, but Microsoft wants to get the public involved, and straying away from the scary "beta" word may be an attempt to do that.

It’s not an accident that the event is being hosted in Barcelona. Interestingly, the Microsoft launch of its next generation flagship operating system is being held at the Mobile World Congress which is going on that week. Much of the excitement around Windows 8 has centered around Windows 8-based tablets and the touch-centric Metro UI, so it makes sense for Microsoft to unveil Windows 8 at an event focused on mobile devices.

Aside from Windows 8 tablets, Windows 8 will also bring a variety of changes and updates for Windows users. The ribbon interface that has been slowly spreading throughout the Microsoft ecosystem will play a more prominent role in some desktop applications – although, Microsoft is apparently scaling back the ribbon as a result of some preemptive backlash.

Windows 8 may also do away with the iconic Start button Windows users are familiar with. Also, despite rumors and overt statements to the effect that the Windows 8 desktop OS will not run on ARM-based tablets, there are now hints that ARM-based tablets will, in fact, be able to run the full OS.

The biggest change will come in the form of the full-screen "Start Screen", with live tiles and a "Metro" design that is very similar to Windows Phone 7 and the lastest Xbox 360 software update. Apps for this Start Screen will focus on touch, and be availalbe through a built-in marketplace called the Store.
So, get ready. On February 29, or thereabouts, you will probably be able to acquire the Windows 8 Consumer Preview and find out for yourself what the new OS is all about. Do you plan to check it out? What features are you looking forward to most? Are there any aspects of Windows 8 that you find concerning? Let us know in the comments.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/249533/windows_8_consumer_preview_could_launch_feb_29.html

Why so many posts on the Microsoft PR and so few on the American Megatrends. I'm far more excited about the BIOS news especially after watching the MS8 videos.

jermart, how do you know

that something "and wont ever happen"? Are you clairvoyant or just speculating? Or maybe you have something to back that up with?

WAVE's pipeline
Should't ARMY and MSFT testimonials help WAVE to realize sales to existing pipeline of large accounts (should grow by now from 10-20) and it’s recently announced Cloud Services?

Any thing to back that up or are you speculating

Yet.

Large Bid at $2.11
I saw that too, but I guess it got taken out. wow.

Wavey Train

73k share purchase and the price ticks down. Unbelievable.

MIG

You were told, but you couldn't accept the answer until you took the full Tour.







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jermart, its hard to tell what is a waste of your

time versus the typical Wavoid. I suggest you ignore all posts about Win8 going forward to conserve time.

titlewave, The thought crossed my mind so I had a talk with my wife. Before I could express my thoughts to purchase more she replied you have enough Wave for ten people. I bought another 1000 shares anyway.

Mundo

So all this time wasted about MS 8 is just wishfull thinking just learned WAVX has never been consider by MS as any soft ware its just all talk.

So why are we spending so much time discussing it now its never happened and wont ever happen no wonder WAVX has to sell shares.

Microsoft has never included Wave software in any of its operating systems.

Nobody ever said MSFT did.

Thank you Countryboy, Wave is certainly ready after many years of working with Microsoft. Wave has always been waiting for Microsoft to get this party going and the windows 8 release will catch the world by suprise and Wavoids. The end of this month should prove very interesting with with Microsoft talking about Trusted Computing.


Microsoft will LAUNCH WAVE IN 2012.

Nice healthy sum on the bid at $2.11 (44,700). Looks like a pretty solid floor.

Dory - agree. Windows should have more flexibility. WEM could be
a bundling option to OEM customers.

Microsoft has never included Wave software in any of its operating systems.

PKI,

Tpm's & ARM's trustzone... in order for all devices to inter-operate keys must be move, managed & stored securely. Transactions must occur in a trusted execution environment. Device users must securely identify themselves to their machine & their machines must be virus & malware free(when identifying & gaining access to a network server). The NSA had only to look at Papa Ginos Pizza to see how this could have all been accomplished three years ago without all the loss of gov't secrets going into enemy hands!! SS has lectured to all who would listen for years about this already existing solution with little or no response! But now it will all come true with the green light from Microsoft!!! The paradigm shift begins now, it's going to finally be fun. Hopefully George Gilder will finally pronounce that the slog is officially over!! Wave has earned the cat birds' seat for our little yovage. Cap't Weby set sail for Vegas or at least get the camels ready!!

New Wave,

at worst, the news relieves some box-out worry. As it would appear, Wave is not getting blind-sided by any new Windows 8 developments. Given the recent love for Microsoft, it would at least appear those inside of Wave are excited for Windows 8.

Certainly the need for hardened security is not diminishing. The persistence of advanced threats is only increasing. Additionally, given the continued broad commitment of significant players, it seems Wave is obviously playing in a space with tremendous potential. GM, PWC, and BASF are not going to be the last and only enterprises to embrace a change that will radically improve upon current accepted standards.

John

Hi title,

I don't think that's likely. TC will likely be an option in Windows 8, and Wave a TC option.

"Hardware-based security is one of the best methods".

The fact that MS is extending the reach of TC within Windows 8 is good news. Compatibility issues probably taken care of. But Wave still has to sell to a client base.

"Hoping"...

Yep, been doing that for many years and we're below .75 pre split....

I believe, but then again, what's the definition of insanity?

These type of press releases have never to my knowledge ever portended something bigger, better and greater on the horizon. Maybe this time it's different.

All I have to say for this fine Friday morning is that we are all either members of the dufus brigade or about to become wealthy on the magnitude of stupid.

All, imvho,

Vader

Titlewave, I don't see MS bundling WEM to be in the cards -- ever -- for a host of reasons. But Dell, Acer, Samsung, HP, etc.? Yeah, that could happen.

Cheers,

Dory

If Microsoft bundles Wem for a fee of course that would be something to go gaga about .

Dear New Wave,

"I'm hoping!!!"

weets, yes it would be nice if Charney would give a 'shout out' to Wave.

Most of Waves pr's over the years have been or are near meaningless

Just simple acknowledgements that we most of the time already know about just by using simple deductive reasoning ! Just like today's Wave of course is and has been for umpteen years now collaborating with Microsoft and Intel and Seagate and Arm and Samsung and on and on it goes !

And Wave basically has to collaborate with these folks if they ever hope to get their products to market ! Simple it doesn't mean they're buying or using Waves products it just means Waves products will work with theirs seamlessly hopefully.

Unless there is a word like bundling for a certain amount of money involved most of these pr's are near meaningless !

And really just a "dream" or way too much Kool-Aid drinking !!

Maybe here from Wave blog:

Next week at RSA Conference, Scott Charney of Microsoft will take the stage to discuss the Trustworthy Computing initiative at its ten-year mark. This year’s address stands out to me as particularly significant given all the anticipation of Windows 8, and the anniversary of the missive that helped shape a new approach to cyber security.

Today's news is encouraging and corroborates some of our expectations regarding Wave's role with Windows 8 and MS. Nevertheless, if investors are looking for validation through SP appreciation then we're not going to have that unless MS decides to release their own statement concerning the relationship with Wave and specifically how Wave's IP is important to their trusted computing roadmap.

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