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Honoring a Coach and an Upset
The former coach Paul Dietzel being greeted by Rollie Stichweh at a reunion Friday at West Point. Dietzel’s 1964 Army team beat Navy, 11-8. [Chang W. Lee/The New York Times]
By GEORGE VECSEY
Published: July 19, 2009
West Point, N.Y.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/sports/ncaafootball/20vecsey.html?emc=eta1
They beat Navy. They beat Roger Staubach. Forty-five years later, that is worth celebrating, all over again.
The old boys from the United States Military Academy brought back their coach, Paul Dietzel, and his wife, Anne, last weekend to commemorate one of the great upsets of college football — Army 11, Navy 8 — in November 1964.
By that time, Vietnam was looming over the men who played in that game, and it looms over them still. But the main reason to get together was to celebrate their coach, who prepared them and cajoled them into stopping one of the greatest college players ever.
This was when Army still had some leftover cachet as a football power, from the 1940s. Recently, Army has not been able to recruit enough talent, but its new coach, Rich Ellerson, has some ambitious plans, including a rematch with Notre Dame in Yankee Stadium in 2010, to be announced Monday. The echoes of Dietzel’s epic victory are still heard along the Hudson.
Dietzel, 84, still paints and talks up his recent book, Call Me Coach. There are many traces of the charismatic young man who left Louisiana State University — where he had won a national championship in 1958 — to return in 1962 as head coach at West Point, where he had served two tours as an assistant.
Anne Dietzel estimated that they have lived in 25 different homes. Once, she said, she asked a contractor how the heating system worked in her new home, and the man asked if her husband was around, so he could explain. Her husband was off recruiting linebackers in Ohio, she said; the contractor had best explain it to her.
He inherited the men in the room, now in their mid-60s, with charming wives and bad knees and successful careers. He is still Coach, a man who had control of every detail, except in his own household. Bill Zadel, the big tackle, was lying in the infirmary with a leg injury in 1964, when Coach paid a visit. Dietzel was so sweet, so solicitous, that Zadel allowed as how he was already feeling a bit better. That’s good, Zadel, Coach quickly said, because you’re playing both ways on Saturday. He played nearly 60 minutes against Navy, too.
Coach did have a light side. One summer, the Nashville Banner reporter Fred Russell was visiting camp, driven in a jeep by the assistant coach Bill Battle. Suddenly, there were explosions in the woods up ahead, and Battle urged Russell to seek cover, because live ammunition was unexpectedly being fired. That night, before the Rita Hayworth movie on base, everybody was treated to another film — Fred Russell diving into the underbrush.
Dietzel also kept tabs on missed bed checks and youthful pranks. The worst thing that could happen was to be addressed as “Son,” said Rhesa H. Barksdale, one of the team managers, now a federal judge in Mississippi and Louisiana, who arranged the weekend with Dietzelian precision.
No stranger to military life, Dietzel had flown B-29 missions in the Pacific as a 20-year-old, before playing center for Miami of Ohio, the so-called cradle of coaches, on the same squad with the future coaches Bo Schembechler, Bill Arnsparger and Ara Parseghian. He was an acolyte of Sid Gillman, Red Blaik and Bear Bryant before winning the national title at L.S.U.
After his first season in 1962, Dietzel converted Rollie Stichweh from halfback to quarterback, and Stichweh nearly beat Staubach as a junior, only to run out of time near the end zone. In 1964, playing quarterback and safety, Stichweh tried again. The old boys like John Johnson, Frank Cosentino and Vince Casillo still recall Dietzel’s game plan, to pressure Staubach from the wings, not let him move around.
Stichweh, who played 55 minutes that day, remains a lifelong friend of Staubach’s. They played in the same backfield in the East-West game, and Stichweh ran for a touchdown. Staubach served his hitch and became a great pro quarterback, but there were no all-pro players at Army.
As seniors, Stichweh and Zadel and the others began to hear of former cadets being killed or injured in Vietnam. “It began to get personal,” Stichweh recalled. By 1967, Stichweh was a captain in the 173rd Airborne on Hill 875 near Dak To, up near the Cambodian border. He said that playing football was only one part of the academy’s preparation to perform under pressure.
“By the time I was at Hill 875, it was already baked into your soul,” he said.
Zadel was a Marine officer a few kilometers away, but they did not know how close they were. Stichweh learned his first daughter had been born when he received a message scribbled on a shoe box, dropped in a package from a helicopter. They both survived and came home, Stichweh to become a top executive at the consulting company Towers Perrin and Zadel to become a highly successful businessman.
For a while, the teammates consoled themselves with the assurance that they had been fighting to advance democracy in Asia.
“That was my story at cocktail parties,” Zadel said the other night, adding that he had changed his mind after learning about the misgivings of President Lyndon Baines Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert Strange McNamara, who died July 6.
“I read the excerpts from McNamara’s book,” Zadel said, referring to McNamara’s belated admission that the war was in vain. “I was incensed.”
Stichweh said that every Memorial Day he visited the cemetery at West Point to honor his 26 classmates, including a member of his wedding party, who died in Vietnam, all of them, he said, after McNamara began to experience “his own little epiphany.”
Those comments were made in private; Stichweh and I have known each other for almost half a century. At the dinner, Stichweh was gregarious, as always, noting how Dietzel had come through a broken family, married well, lived his Christian faith.
In his remarks, Dietzel wept a few times and made people laugh many times. A few people at the academy had been upset when Dietzel left with a record of 21-18-1 after the 1965 season. He negotiated for more control at South Carolina, but his record there was a mediocre 42-53-1. That is old business; the academy is home; the memories are mostly fun.
On Friday, Dietzel recalled how, after becoming head coach, he had been summoned to the home of Gen. William C. Westmoreland, the commandant, and later the commander in Vietnam.
“You could say Westmoreland was a little stiff,” Dietzel said, kindly, recalling how his assistants had been aching for a beer, just to relax. Then Katherine Westmoreland, the vivacious wife of the general who was known as Kitsy, told the coaches she had some good advice about how to succeed at the academy.
With that, Dietzel said, she turned her back to them and hiked up her dress, revealing — in a dignified fashion, of course — black panties, with two words printed on them: Beat Navy.
It took them a few years, but they did. Forty-five years later, that is worth celebrating.
E-mail: geovec@nytimes.com
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SEC places 5 teams in top 10 of AP poll
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Return to Original Buzz Up PrintNEW YORK (AP)—The Southeastern Conference has taken over the top 10 in The Associated Press college football poll as no league has ever done before.
On Sunday, the SEC became the first conference to place five team among the first 10 in the AP Top 25.
Southern California is now a no-doubt-about-it No. 1 and Oklahoma moved into the No. 2 spot for the first time this season, slipping ahead of Georgia in the media poll.
The Bulldogs barely got past South Carolina 14-7 on Saturday and the Sooners notched their third consecutive blowout victory, winning 55-14 at Washington.
Georgia is the first preseason No. 1 since Oklahoma in 1985 to start the season with three consecutive victories and still drop as far as No. 3.
“I’m not surprised that it could happen, because you’ve seen it happen before,” Georgia coach Mark Richt said. “Everybody wants to kind of settle in and see where everybody thinks everybody belongs. It’s hard. Shoot, I’m a voter too. It’s hard on everybody.”
Georgia also fell behind USC and Oklahoma in the USA Today coaches’ poll.
The Bulldogs shouldn’t fret. They’ll have plenty of opportunities to make up what they’ve lost in the rankings when they play the other SEC’s four other top-10 teams. Florida is No. 4, LSU is sixth, Alabama is No. 9 and Auburn is 10.
The Trojans’ resounding 35-3 victory against Ohio State on Saturday night made them an overwhelming No. 1 in their third week atop the poll. USC received 61 first-place votes and 1,596 points. The Trojans had 33 first-place votes last week.
Georgia received two first-place votes this week, and Florida got one.
The rest of the top 10 was Missouri at No. 5, Texas at No. 7—giving the Big 12 three teams in the top 10—and Wisconsin at No. 8.
Ohio State dropped eight spots to No. 13.
Two Pac-10 teams dropped out after losing: California and Arizona State.
Clemson moved back into the rankings. The Tigers started the season ranked ninth and fell all the way out after losing their opener 34-10 to Alabama, and returned as No. 23.
Florida State moved into the Top 25 for the first time since the middle of last season. The Seminoles were No. 24.
Texas Tech is No. 11, followed by South Florida, Ohio State, BYU and East Carolina, which slipped one spot to No. 15 after squeaking past Tulane 28-24 in its first game as a ranked team since 1999.
Penn State was No. 16 and Oregon was 17th, followed by Wake Forest, Kansas and Utah.
The final five were West Virginia, Illinois, Clemson, Florida State and Fresno State, which lost 13-10 to Wisconsin and dropped four spots.
AP Sports Writer Charles Odum in Atlanta contributed to this report.
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Committee proposes penalizing horse-collar tackles among rule changes
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INDIANAPOLIS -- Horse-collar tackles, already banned by the NFL, may be outlawed in college football, too.
That rule change is among those proposed by the NCAA Football Rules Committee. Other suggestions include making chop-block enforcement less complicated and ignoring incidental face-mask contact.
The proposals put forth by the committee during meetings this week now go to the NCAA membership for comment. They must be reviewed and approved by an oversight panel before they can go into effect.
"The committee is giving our game officials more tools to penalize potentially dangerous contact," Rogers Redding, Southeastern Conference coordinator of officials, said Wednesday.
The proposed horse-collar rule would be similar to the NFL's, penalizing a tackle in which a runner is pulled down from the inside collar of the shoulder pads or jersey.
The often-complex rules on chop blocks, or tackling at or below the knees, would be clarified for players and officials, said Redding, who will become rules committee secretary-editor next month.
"It's going to be clearer to everyone what the foul is," he said.
Committee chairman Mike Clark, the coach at Division III Bridgewater, said the rule would lead to more consistent officiating.
"There was a movement to take out below-the waist blocking. I don't think that's applicable to our game," Clark said. "It's too varied and too diverse. But I think we've given the officials the resources to take out a dangerous element of our game, which is the chop block."
The NCAA gave no timetable for adoption of the changes.
Another proposal would eliminate the 5-yard penalty for incidental face-mask contact. Redding said coaches and officials felt no penalty should be assessed if a player grabs and releases the face mask as long as it has no impact on the runner's safety.
"It was a nonentity," he said. "So we felt like the real issue is the grasping, pulling, turning, twisting of the face mask, and that will be retained and still carry a 15-yard penalty. But we felt the incidental contact was nothing, so we just decided to get rid of it."
The committee also proposed starting the game clock on a signal from the referee rather than on the snap of the ball after a runner has gone out of bounds, except in the last two minutes of each half. Another change would adopt a standardized play clock system giving the offensive team 40 seconds to snap the ball, unless play has been stopped by officials for such reasons as change of possession or injury.
"The concern was that from one conference to the next there was enough variation in the length of time a referee took to declare the ball ready for play," Redding said. "So this will hopefully eliminate that and allow for a more consistent time for the ball to be ready to be snapped."
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A University of Memphis Tigers scout flies to Baghdad to watch a young Iraqi play basketball in a new American sponsored league and is very impressed with a young Iraqi player. He arranges for him to come over to the US and play basketball on scholarship.
A few months later the Tigers are down 10 points to the Louisville Cardinals with only 5 minutes left. Calipari gives the young Iraqi the nod and he goes in. The kid is a sensation, scoring 5 three point goals in 5 minutes and winning the game for the home team Tigers! The fans, players and coaches are all delighted. Even ESPN loves this new star!
When the player comes off the court he phones his Mom to tell her about his first day of NCAA basketball. "Hello Mom, guess what?" he says in an Iraqi accent. "I played for 5 minutes today, we were 10 points down, but I scored 5 three pointers and we won. Everybody loves me, the fans, the media, they all love me."
"Wonderful", says his Mom, "now let me tell you about my day. Your father got shot in the street and robbed, your sister and I were ambushed, and beaten and your brother has joined a gang of looters, and all while you were having such great time."
The young Iraqi is very upset. "Mom, I'm so sorry".
"All you can say is you're sorry"?!?!?!?!? says his Mom. "It's your fault we moved to Memphis in the first place"!
Been there...done that...it's absolutely nothing. I've also been a part of the Michigan/Ohio State and Florida/Florida State rivalries as well...none of them compare to Alabama/Auburn.
you must be talking about the florida /georgia game...
"One of the greatest"...nothing! It is the greatest rivalry in college football.
Proably one of the greatest rivalries in college football. I believe they moved the game to Saturday after Thanksgiving so families could at least eat together before they kill each other.
Football is life in Alabama!
I don't care what anyone says...the Alabama/Auburn rivalry is the biggest rivalry in the country. You've made your decision on which team you go for by the time you enter kindergarten. My brother chose the dark side. I say, ROLL TIDE!
Considering how serious they take their football in Alabama I can understand why they started the site.
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I was just joking, dear (about you trying to cheat). ;)
Hi Ukie...what went wrong you ask? Well sir, the sad story is my partner, John... tried to cheat but got caught! LOL
Seriously, We were tied but Hogs guessed closer to the final score of last night's game.
Anybody with a car like his deserves to win, IMO. ;)
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Thank you for all of the great info you post!
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Bull, giving fanspoll.com some serious thought. I don't ever see it becoming the standard. But I think writers & coaches lose some objectivity when it comes to voting.
Maybe in the future it might prove healthy to combine or add fanspoll.com or something similar to the norm. Who knows?
Novo, you were right there for the takings! What went wrong?