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I can't believe I didn't keep copies. Duh! Millions coming and I have no proof. But I do have official statements from my brokers of my escrow holdings back then so I have proof of my positions.
Im sure the court has complete lists in their files.
The Ignore button makes those posters go away... Great feature... All their crying and trying to stir the pot means nothing... zip, nada nothing... It does not change any facts or the outcome... I think some are paid because it;s the only conceivable reason... Maybe their mommy didn't love them enough, who cares. This is not over and I listen to those posters that contribute. I iggy those who just waste my time. I recommend the iggy button, I tire of some good posters wasting our time with those who DO NOT THINK anything is coming back. hahahaha let me guess the debtors said so... They were paid and you would have thought they disappeared into the night. Nopey no such luck.
This is not over and we all know that. What is the difference between a chapter 11 vs chapter 7 kids...HAHAHAHA Yes it's an on going concern. Music to our ears... Did the court take into account all the company? Nopey they were not allowed too...Too funny!!!!! Is their court docs that say we are in the money??? YES their are... Nothing to see here...HAHAHAHA IF you purchased shares and signed timely releases you are golden, If you did not you would be correct --- Nothing is coming back to you... I for one did buy and sign so guess what kids.... Happy happy happy... I'm glad I did it years ago and I would do it all over again!!!! Soooooooo
Have a great night!!! Thank you who post thoughtful, meaningful posts... Some should try it...
EXO
Boris, Yes, I did.. nd9
16 yrs ago...I'm lucky if I can remember what I had for dinner tonight!
But there were a few on the yahoo board back then who told people not to release. I bet many of those are the ones on these boards today who are calling us releasers stupid.
Could you let us know about the genius who asked you not to release ?
Can you redact personal info and post the forms?
I'm so stupid I didnt keep copies but it was all done so hurriedly. I was advised by some not to release so I would be able to sue later. Lucky i took the advice of bopfan and a few others and released at the last minute.
Yes. Made copies of what I faxed.
Did anyone keep copies of their W9 or release form?
Form I filled had only two options to click
Optin
Opt-out.
No shares or cash options.
I got WMIH and COOP Shares.
"First rule of business, protect your investment." - Etiquette of the Banker 1775
I believe this is what I've been attempting to do for 15 and 1/2 years.
This is where I started 15 years ago and since then I observed very little change.
At 70 years old I had already been subject to systematic abuse even though I was in great service to our social process. Basically I went the opposite way of the military industrial complex and went to Alaska for a year and Hawaii for half a year in Seattle for 16. This system must improve because it is brutally predatory.
I did not serve in a war but that was because my number didn't come up in time before we quit. However as you might be able to tell I continue to be helping whenever I can.
Don’t think it was for PQ. Only DIMEQ Shares
Whatever happened to FDIC rule preventing JPM Chase from buying WMIH?
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Restrictions on Sale of Assets by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2014/10/24/2014-25337/restrictions-on-sale-of-assets-by-the-federal-deposit-insurance-corporation
A Proposed Rule by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation on 10/24/2014
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Notice Of Proposed Rulemaking.
Summary
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) is proposing to amend our regulations. Part 340 implements section 11(p) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act. Under section 11(p), individuals or entities whose acts or omissions have, or may have, contributed to the failure of an insured depository institution cannot buy the assets of that failed insured depository institution from the FDIC. The proposed revisions to part 340 will help to clarify its purpose, scope and applicability, and will make it more consistent in our regulations, the parallel provision in the FDIC's Orderly Liquidation Authority regulations that implements section 210(r) of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act by placing restrictions on sales of assets of a covered financial company by the FDIC. Sections of part 340 became effective on July 1, 2014
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DATES:
ADDRESSES:
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT:
SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION:
I. Background
II. Proposal
III. Request for Comments
IV. Regulatory Analysis and Procedure
A. Paperwork Reduction Act
B. Regulatory Flexibility Act
C. Plain Language
Text of the Proposed Rule
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
List of Subjects in 12 CFR Part 340
Authority and Issuance
PART 340—RESTRICTIONS ON SALE OF ASSETS BY THE FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION
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Written comments must be received by the FDIC not later than December 23, 2014.
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You may submit comments by any of the following methods:
Agency Web site: http://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/federal/. Follow instructions for submitting comments on the Agency Web site.
E-Mail: Comments@FDIC.gov. Include “RIN 3064-AE26” in the subject line of the message.
Mail: Robert E. Feldman, Executive Secretary, Attention: Comments, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, 550 17th Street NW., Washington, DC 20429.
Hand Delivery/Courier: Guard station at the rear of the 550 17th Street Building (located on F Street) on business days between 7 a.m. and 5 p.m. (EDT).
Federal eRulemaking Portal: http://www.regulations.gov/. Follow the instructions for submitting comments.
Public Inspection: All comments received will be posted without change to http://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/federal/ including any personal information provided. Paper copies of public comments may be ordered from the Public Information Center by telephone at 703-562-2200 or 1-877-275-3342.
LIQUIDATING TRUST INTERESTS THAT MAY GENERATE CASH RECOVERY IN THE EVEN ALL CLAIMS 100% SATISFIED?.
AND GRANTOR TRUST TREATMENT OF TRUST BENEFICIARIES ARE AS OWNERS DIRECTLY RECEIVING DISTRIBUTIONS FROM DEBTORS.
SUCH BENEFICIARY IS ALREADY REGARDED FOR FEDERAL INCOME TAX PURPOSES AS OWNING THE UNDERLYING ASSETS(AND WAS TAXED AT THE TIME THE WAS EARNED OR RECEIVED BY SUCH TRUST)
https://s1.q4cdn.com/275823140/files/doc_downloads/irw/IRS_forms_8937/Mr.-Cooper-Group-WMI-Liquidating-Trust-Disputed-Equity-Escrow-distributions.pdf
Subject to certain limited exceptions, the Liquidating Trust Interests are not transferable or assignable.
LTIs are not transferable or assignable except by will, intestate succession or operation of law. Accordingly, there is no liquid trading market in the LTIs. Under certain circumstances, transfers of LTIs have been permitted upon the winding up or dissolution of vehicles that previously held LTIs on behalf of such vehicles or the beneficiaries thereof. There can be no assurance that the Trust will consent to any such transfers in the future.
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https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1545078/000119312519092649/d658548d10k.htm
FOR THE ABOVE REASONS WMILT WANTED W-9 FROM RELEASING EQUITY HOLDERS.THE ASSETS MUST HAVE BEEN GENERATING CASH FOR A WHILE.
Libor settlement not appealable, nor other distributions in this case.
Libor will be settled in judges chambers so no appeal allowed. And our other payments are just distributions.
So what can be appealed? Nothing.
That’s what I remember as well!
Potential Recovery For Equity
Page 3/13 from equity committee
https://www.sbroker.de/pdf/Washington-Mutual-Chapter11.pdf
We all wanted cash!!!!
I think that was only for DIMEQ shares.
LG i think it was for WAHUQ/CLASS 16 ONLY.
I recall some had an option to receive limited shares.
LG just confirmed that as well.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174395094
Don’t think it’s a big deal, but I do recall some had an option to choose.
Now we just wait for new shares !!!
Xoom, as I thought. I am staring at my WAMPQ release form and W9. There is no box to check for cash or shares. There is an option on form to accept plan or not and an option to opt out or not... but that is it...
ND9
Hey LG, you’re probably right, there’s no way that the big boys want more money taken out from their pockets. They even cried when we were asking for 30% and they wanted it reduced to 25%.
I have been in a lawsuit for 14 years due to patent infringement and breach of contract. All the time it goes from one court it gets appealed and goes to this court that court then court comes again and then there’s another appeal. and another appeal if they want this to last forever, they probably could this system sucks.
There was an option to receive limited shares in one of the choices
…
Thanks for all of your responses. We need to see both sides of the story.
That doesn’t mean it is true…. I will be home soon and I will check all my releases and get back to you.. maybe your are right, maybe not..
If you followed this saga from 2008, we all know each other, then you would know there are posters who actually made that selection and stated so on the various message boards.
Xoom is a good guy so could be true. 16 yrs is a long time to remember small details. When the releases came it was very hectic so could be we had it on the form. I was stupid and didnt make copies!! Maybe someone who kept copies can check to see whats on there.
I am pretty sure I would have remembered that and I don’t..
appreciate the response thanks!
Doreen Logan in her e-mail to CWG stated that WMI had 6.5 billion in assets produced from the GSA settlement, and that WMI added about 495 million? in addition to settle the chapter 11... so the total expenditure to close the chapter 11 was about 6.95 billion... this is documented... also, WMI expended about a billion dollars in fees to A/M, and other costs to vendor claims, etc associated with closing the bankruptcy...remember:... WMI stated on record that 'ALL ASSETS WERE PLACED IN THE WMIL-T ...now, all means all in my language...WMI also stated in court that all non reportable assets not required were disclosed to include equity in the chapter 11 closure...did they lie?... lets look at the 2013 WMIH 10-K filed about 1 year after the chapter 11 closed done by an independent auditor... they state WMMRC held about 34 million in Trusts (re insurance assets), the company, if sold out of chapter 11 had an enterprise value of 75 million dollars.. they state also that there were no other balance sheet assets not disclosed... they further state that there were no on going lawsuits to sue anyone for assets taken during the previous takeover of WAMU, and WMI assets in court proceedings.. they issued a "going concern" statement if they did not find a merger partner..Rosen said WMI held no Safe Harbor assets, the FDIC is holding 299 billion in sub-prime mortgages against 14 billion dollars in liabilities on the balance sheet caused by the 16 billion dollar run on banking deposits...the only place off balance sheet assets could be is in WMIIC ( Washington Mutual Investment Corp)... but that was closed after the funds were liquidated to place in the WMIL-T for distribution.... now, I ask you, where is these billions upon billions supposed to be held by WMI, WMIH, COOP XXXX?.... simply, THERE IS NONE... ask yourself this?... if WMI had billions in assets, then why did they file chapter 11?.. (2) why did they have to borrow 600 million from KKR if they had billions somewhere... if they had billions, why did Tepper, and the SNH not found it, and taken WMIH, to court?...why did WMI have to liquidate 7 re insurance trusts to value 200 million to give equity stock if they had billions somewhere...?... questions, questions, but the answer is all in the filings, but people on this board just dont accept it..they believe in some made up theory that equity will be made whole again after the chapter 11 closure... there is no language in any filings that says WMI, WMIH, Coop, the FDIC, JPM, WMIL-T (now defunct) has to make equity "whole again"...Lodas ( I am done posting today, my limit is up}
Frankly I'm not sure if this is going to accelerate things by whipping the slowpokes or if it's going to you know slow resolution down.
loda WMILT to liquidate and distribute a significant portion of the company’s assets
https://www.weil.com/people/stuart-goldring significant portion of the company’s assets
Washington Mutual in its chapter 11 reorganization, including the tri-party settlement with JPMorgan Chase Bank and FDIC resulting from the seizure and subsequent sale of Washington Mutual Bank.
Washington Mutual Liquidating Trust, established pursuant to Washington Mutual’s chapter 11 plan, to liquidate and distribute a significant portion of the company’s assets, including up to $500 million of potential federal and state tax refunds.
nothing was sinister about that... its all documented in the filings, so whether I included Wmil-t , or not, it makes no difference...however, to be exact, why was WMIL-T included in the filings that Title to all assets belong to WMI, JPMC, FDIC, and WMIL-T?.....in order for WMIL-T to make distributions to Creditors in the chapter 11 closure, they would have had to have Title to the assets they distributed... for example:... 7 trusts were liquidated by WMMRC, and assets held in WMIIC, and they would have had to have Title to these assets before A/M could liquidate them...also, when the GSA came to an agreement between all parties, cross claims settled between the parties could ONLY BE DONE IF THE SETTLING PARTY HAD TITLE TO HIS ASSETS!!!!!!!!....said another way:... one cannot bargain away an asset if he does not own it!!!!...so, there was nothing sinister in the omission of WMIL-T in my post... Lodas
I am only allowed 3 posts per day...so sometimes I only use my allotment wisely...I am done for today
It has nothing to do with Old escrows this is an internal abuse of power. Nothing to do with old escrows or any banking policies….they will remove the Dem current leader and have the VP Republican take over until a new one is assigned….
No he is not sure of that……because it was not an option…..
loda 1. Title to Assets
Except as provided in Confirmation Order, on the Effective Date, title to all assets and
properties encompassed by the Seventh Amended Plan shall vest in the Reorganized Debtors,
Reorganized WMI, the Liquidating Trust, the JPMC Entities or the FDIC Receiver, as the case may be,
free and clear of all Liens and in accordance with sections 363 and 1141 of the Bankruptcy Code, and the
Confirmation Order shall be a judicial determination of discharge of the liabilities of the Debtors and the
Debtors in Possession except as provided in the Seventh Amended Plan.
loda why did you omit wmilt from title to assets?Whats your intention/motive?
Are you making this up, if not, prove it. I don’t ever remember seeing this!
Re: W9s. Your social security number is on the form of course, so no matter what, you can be tracked down when there is a distribution. That's the beauty of a W9. No matter where you are they can find you to distribute funds.
WMI held assets in WMIIC, and also in 7 Trusts which were held by WMMRC... these 7 Trusts were liquidated by A/M , along with assets held by WMIIC, and placed in the WMIL-T for distribution to Creditor claims in the chapter 11.... so, why did WMI disclose, in court these non reportable assets which were not required to be disclosed...?...remember, there are some on this message board who say WMI hid assets in court, but WMI did disclose non required assets to be reported... so, the reason?..... when the mediation hearings ended, Susman and Willingham got a deal to include equity included in the chapter 11 bankruptcy... so, the SNL appropriated 75 million in cash, 125 million in credit facilities, and WMI used the value from the liquidation of the assets of WMIIC, and the 7 Trusts to VALUE THE 200 MILLION SHARES GIVEN TO EQUITY HOLDERS PARI PASSU..... remember, WMI states in their filings "all assets of WMI were placed in the WMIL-T for distribution to creditors and equity holders to settle the chapter 11...so, is WMI, now WMIH, trading as coop have any assets to return to former WAMU equity and preferred holders?...its been about 11 years since the chapter 11 closed, and no one has found such non existent billions upon billions of phantom lucre....Lodas
xoom are you sure on that? I don't recall that option. If so I'm sure I'd choose cash. Paying taxes sucks but once done what you keep is yours. Frankly I don't mind paying the taxes if we are successful. The government needs money to operate the country! I wish we had more say in where our tax money goes though, but it is what it is.
Regardless, I still think for some things we will get shares and some cash. Depends where it's from. Just glad I released!
THEY KNEW EVERYTHING.THEY HAD A PLAN.ASSETS WERE ALLOCATED AS PER ABSOLUTE PRIORITY.EC WAS CONTINED ON TAB THRU JAN 2020.
You had an option to select ‘shares’ or ‘cash’ when you submitted your releases .
Geez just what we needed. Fdic upheavel! We can't catch a break!
Ive heard from a reliable source that the Fdic is extremely corrupt. And they hold our Wamu in their hands! God help us.
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Mr. Cooper Group Inc. (NASDAQ: COOP) provides quality servicing, origination and transaction-based services related principally to single-family residences throughout the United States with operations under its primary brands: Mr. Cooper® and Xome®. Mr. Cooper is one of the largest home loan servicers in the country focused on delivering a variety of servicing and lending products, services and technologies. Xome provides technology and data enhanced solutions to homebuyers, home sellers, real estate agents and mortgage companies.
Upon completion of the merger between WMIH Corp. and Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. on July 31, 2018, WMIH became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper), Xome and Champion Mortgage (Nationstar Mortgage LLC d/b/a Champion).
As of October 10, 2018, Mr. Cooper Group Inc. is the new name of WMIH Corp. On July 31, 2018, WMIH, now Mr. Cooper Group, became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper) and Xome.
As early as late 2006, WaMu would begin to become a victim of what would eventually become the worst recession in US history since the Great Depression of 1929. WaMu's aggressive business strategy would begin to unfold throughout the end of 2006 and become increasingly disastrous through 2007. As housing rates were at all time highs before the recession began, WaMu would use its considerable leverage and assets to make large amounts of loans in both subprime mortgages and subprime credit cards. The banking division of WaMu at one point before the end of 2007 had nearly 336 stand-alone branch buildings where various types of home loans were processed and approved. WaMu would eventually over leverage themselves due to the high number of Adjustable Rate Mortgages (ARMs). As the US economy slowed down, the number of home loan defaults began to rise in quick succession. This coupled with the falling home prices throughout most of the US meant that even with foreclosures and the properties back in the hands of the company, they were unable to sell them back into the market, or were not able to derive enough revenue from the sale to cover the loan that was made on them. In the mean time, the credit card division was also seeing a surge in the number of late and non payments being made.
By September of 2008, WaMu's stock price had fallen to $2 from its previous highs of around $50 just two years earlier. Amid strong voices from the shareholders, then company CEO Kerry Killinger was dismissed by the company board. In the meantime, the company went looking for a buyer for part of its banking division. WaMu had been unsuccessful in finding an appropriate buy until its seizure by the FDIC. Overnight the companies banking division was bought by JP Morgan Chase in a secret deal brokered by the FDIC for 1.9 billion dollars. Washington Mutual Inc. has reorganized to Washington Mutual Holding Inc. WITH SHAREHOLDERS INTACT
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