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I harbor no anger towards anyone. For me, on the days I log in here, I experience laughter from both perspectives, lots of laughter.! I even find your response most entertaining.
~ There Is "NO" 75/25 Beyond The Holding Company wmi-lt's (Plan 7) Directives ... Now ?, with the wmi-lt "Completed and Closed" (direct from a personal friend ! !, and the Docs' ) ... Any 75/25 Split of ANY Financial Resources Are GONE' ... Past Tense ! ! ... period ~
... turn the page people' ... "it is what it is"
Original Released P's ... continue to be aligned with the WMIH Preferred Managing Sub ... SEC researchable pre BK and Post, Cash In / Cash Out, ... soon to be 10-K recognized AGAIN'
Original Released Common Share wamuq's ... continue as the Original Owners of the Entire WaMu Estate ... well beyond the Reorganized Holding Company
... and Yes, ... as a WMB Bond Direct Owner, that followed ALL of the Guidelines, ... Yes, semi-annual returns have continued, from the Wells Fargo Trustee ... the WMB Bonds are active and functioning, and are and continue to be serviced by a Sub of (XXXX) ... however, the (ol' cactus) mb' reporting of same* has stopped for obvious reasons ... the world is a bit larger than this "arena" LOL ... and, koolaid flavored coffee, can, and has caused dizziness' ... LOL ...
"Abba Da Ayy"
just sayin'
AZ
JHD
""And you are saying no 75/25?""
I believe that YES he is stating that there is no 75/25
I only have 3 problems with that
1. It was REQUIRED AND negotiated and court approved 75/25
2. THE COMPANY came out in an 8K to confirm the 75/25 to QUELL MESSAGE BOARD MISINFORMATION about it and state the payout MATRIX is as follows 75% to PREFERRED EQUITY and 25% to common equity on any and all returns.
3. Then they issued a PR stating the same..........
SO IF IT has/had NOTHING to do with the ongoing plan what so ever, WHY WOULD THEY TAKE THE TIME TO DISPEL mis information on a message board THEY BOBVIOUSLY WERE MONITORING
COMMON SENSE and LOGIC USE THEM THEY WORK
HAs anyone taken ALICE'S advice and taken the matrix payout part of the plan to a LAWYER and had an opinion letter written on it??????????? SKEERT ????????????????????
NOPEY THEY AINT as far as I know
So what is your opinion on the likelihood of escrow paying off by summer? And you are saying no 75/25?
Best to you
JHD
Greetings folks, I had a peek in the room, to see if there is anything new about 04.04, but I see nothing about it.
Our opinion on the 75/25% is as follows, WMIH was not part of the WMB insolvency, .
As I have read and re-read the arguments and information from RON and AZC several times. , it also seems to me logical to think, that the 75/25 has no termination regarding the values of the WMIH which SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SEQUESTRY.
I think both RON and AZC are right, also because in any seizure or insolvency, the assets if any, belong by law always to the owners, ALWAYS.
This skein with so many knots, the knots are coming to the boil.
Only then can we be sure of knowing how they plotted
scheming to save the JPMC institution, stealing a large bank on Thursday all under the clear sky, this happens in imperial nations, but never in a free and democratic nation hiding it under the cloak of national security.
JPMC was already insolvent
Seraphim1 sends greetings with me.
You are taking out your anger on the wrong people. Lodas is posting very good documentation, and is asking real questions. Instead of trashing fellow Investorshub COOP posters, why not start attacking the ones who are really responsible for your loss.
Try contacting Killinger, Rosen, JPM, FDIC, Congress, Judge Walrath, and all the other crooks who stole WAMU shareholder value.
Killengers ego? Now that, “ego,” is something you’re most familiar with! Gezzzzz!
Ok, whatever discovery if this means anything. If and when we see funny money.
A rearward look at what might have happened if Kerry Killinger was more worried about his shareholders than his ego when he rejected JPM's 8 dollar per share bid for WAMU.......
(1)....JPM was prepared to acquire all of WAMU, liabilities as well from the 299 billion in HELOC loans made against the accumulated equity of shareholders retained earnings of 24 billion dollars, as was handed to the bankruptcy court.......as it was, when Killinger refused the offer, the FDIC took over the liabilities of WAMU when the bank "run" ensued, and WAMU went into receivership... thus, shareholders 24 billion in Retained earnings was "wiped out" due to Kerry's malfeasance for which he was highly paid for..
(2) over a billion dollars in costs for restructuring paid to A/M. lawyers, accountants, and vendors, job losses, real estate assets, losses of some of the best savings and loan institutions. etc, all charged to shareholders losses of retained earnings.
(3)..at the time before the 8 dollar offer was spurned by Killinger, WAMU stock was about 5 dollars per share, and JPM was about 55 dollars per share give, or take, so about 11 shares of WAMU equaled 1 share of JPM...now, in 2024, JPM shares sells for about 200 dollars per share, which is a multiple of about 4... so the value of WAMU shareholders existing shares would now be worth about 8x 4, or 32 dollars per share, and all preferreds would have gotten their interest payments, as well as Bondholders....
(4) ... remember, when Killinger refused the offer and the FDIC took WAMU to receivership, Jamie got the banks and related assets, and did not take the liabilities of the banks... Jamie took the "good stuff" and wrote the rest off to negative goodwill and ended up paying only 1.89 billion for the banking assets....the liabilities of 299 billion in HELOC loans made by Long Beach Mortgage that were written against rising home equity when values skyrocketed during the financial crisis is the housing market ....when the housing market hit the bottom in 2010, foreclosures were rampant during the great recession....all of this crap went to the FDIC , and much of it went worthless when there was the run of 16 billion dollars in savings deposits backing these HELOC loans...
(5) finally, Killinger could not have known in 2008 when the FDIC took WAMU in receivership, that in 2010, the great recession would occur...this is why he was arrogant in not accepting JPM offer... had he been wise, and foreseen what Jamie saw, he would have been a winner, and stuck Jamie with the mortgage loan losses...this was the reason Jamie made an 8 dollar offer for WAMU... even at that, Jamie was prepared to absorb the liabilities of WAMU's 299 billion of chicken sh$t loans.... Killinger should have accepted the offer and would today be a hero...Lodas
Yes!!!!! Any minute we will see the cash rolling in!!!!! 2x or more value!!!!
I've been thinking that for years!
Yeah man!! I see the light!
I was never invested into wamu before it went bankrupt, and wiped out shareholders. So nothing to sign...
I sure wish I could have been apart of this with you and hold escrows! You sure are lucky!
Congratulations!
Next week, you will be rich, and I'll just be the same... No need to donate, I'll be ok. I've got my dog blue, and a couple gallons of shine.
Cheers!
WOW !!!!!!!!!!! YOU FINALLY SEE THE LIGHT SUNSHINE !!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry you never signed Tho.......I'm sure RD will donate to the TROLL FUND when he is paid !!!
The fact we're a decade and a half out, and now talking about loans on a settlement you have nothing to do with, and aren't even represented in, absolutely blows my mind.
This rabbit hole is timeless, and extremely deep.
Denial is much more extreme than I ever thought. It's truly a robber of time, of life. Scary stuff.
Loans....
LOL!
I'd love for you to call a pre settlement funding company, and hear what they tell you about your fantasy!
It's not a conversation you will enjoy. It will be full of reality, and end with them hanging up on you.
Judge Naomi is a no nonsense judge and is very smart per someone who knows her well. She makes decisions based on facts and evidence, not emotion or politics.
I believe she will produce a just and fair settlement. Once released it could take time to get it sorted and distributed through our brokers. Thats why they may offer loans initially.
We shall see. Next week could be big for escrows.
Pliss, AZ reads docs, he interprets things and posts his interpretation for all to see.
You could agree with him fully , partially or reject his analysis completely.
Since we are all grown ups here, that’s your indisputable right to agree or disagree with his opinion and that is perfectly ok.
And that ‘payment’ discussion, you actually responded to his admission :
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=172267003
The fact of the matter is AZ, Bban and the rest of us are on ‘Team Unicorn’ aka pro-recovery for all, so all agree on most of the issues at hand.
It's not a "safe and effective jab"....
It's the truth.
Was 4/4 even a court date? I thought it was the last day of depositions/discovery.
" just like every level of authority has already clearly stated."
How is your 'SAFE and EFFECTIVE' jab working out for you?
Go COOP, Go LIBOR! $$$ isn't far off. imo
4001. ENDORSED LETTER addressed to Counsel from NAOMI REICE BUCHWALD UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE dated 4/3/2024 re: The Court is in receipt of the Direct Action and OTC Plaintiffs' letter of April 2, 2024. ENDORSEMENT: Dear Counsel: The Court is in receipt of the Direct Action and OTC Plaintiffs' letter of April 2, 2024. See ECF No. 4000. Of course, the Court has no interest in interfering with counsels' continuing cooperative efforts as reflected in the existing scheduling order and its prior iteration. However, regardless of counsels' efforts inter se, the Court considers fact discovery closed as of April 4, 2024. Further, as the Court has repeatedly made crystal clear, there cannot and will not be any further adjournments of the class certification, summary judgment, and Daubert motions. Very truly yours, NAOMI REICE BUCHWALD, UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE. (Signed by Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald on 4/3/2024)
Yeah man! Any hour now!
Keep checking your account! It could drop at any second now!
Congratulations RD!
Starting to settle IMO
"4005
04/05/2024
STIPULATION OF DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE OF DEFENDANTS CITIBANK, N.A. AND CITIGROUP INC. PURSUANT TO F.R.C.P. 41 (a)(1)(A)(i): IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND AGREED between Plaintiffs in the above-captioned actions and Defendants Citibank, N.A. and Citigroup Inc. that all of Plaintiffs' respective claims against Defendants Citibank, N.A. and Citigroup Inc. only are hereby dismissed with prejudice from the actions City of Houston v. Bank of America Corp., et al., No. 13-cv-05616; City of Richmond, et al. v. Bank of AmericaCorp., et al., No. 13-cv-00627; City of Riverside, et al. v. Bank of America Corp., et al., No. 13-cv-00597; County of Mendocino v. Bank of America Corp., et al., No. 13-cv-08644; County of Sacramento v. Bank of America Corp., et al., No. 13-cv-05569; County of San Diego v. Bank of America Corp., et al., No. 13-cv-00667; County of San Mateo, et al. v. Bank of America Corp., et al., No. 13-cv-00625; County of Sonoma, et al. v. Bank of America Corp., et al., No. 13-cv-05187; East Bay Municipal Utility District v. Bank of America Corp., et al., No. 13-cv-00626; San Diego Association of Governments v. Bank of America Corp., et al., No. 13-cv-05221; and The Regents of the University
4004
04/05/2024
MEMO ENDORSED ORDER granting [4002] Motion to Withdraw as Attorney. ENDORSEMENT: Application granted. So ordered. Attorney Elizabeth A Cassady terminated. (Signed by Judge Naomi Reice Buchwald on 4/5/2024)
Hilarious!!
You definitely need some help on "know when to hold, and when to fold."
Remember when you told people to hold, and even buy JCPNQ, even after they released the plan of reorganization that outlined equity would be wiped out??? That was definitely some delusional sickness, dripping in denial...which seems to follow you around everywhere you go.
You really slaughtered yourself and others on that. Just like here...
I'd love to hear which three "irons" you have!! I'm willing to bet they're total dog shit.
Cheers!
I have 3 irons in the fire currently if one or all three hit, I WILL NO LONGER BE IN THE MARKETS
KNOW WHEN TO HOLD AND KNOW WHEN TO FOLD are very WISE WORDS
Just being here for $WMIH, now $COOP, I've seen hundreds, maybe thousands of these failed "crazy stories".
The most important thing for these desperate people at this point, is something, anything, to feed the sickness of denial.
Many more years of this will happen. They are addicted to feeding the denial, no matter how blatantly insane the fantasyland nonsense is.
And yes, I've seen this exact stuff with every other bankruptcy I've followed... Just not to this extreme. This one is definitely the most insane.
So you've been around some of these crazy stories many times before apparently
Ok.
Let me ask you a serious question. What is your take on AZCowboy’s character? Do you believe him to be a good and honest person? (Keep in mind that over a year ago he claimed to have received a distribution for his WMB Notes, yet not one other person who holds the same WMB Notes has come forward to corroborate his claim by them receiving a distribution as well.)
Don't expect much talk of this failed fantasy. It's what happens after every fantasy fails...They go radio silent, and move on to a new fantasy without addressing the last failed fantasy.
Rinse and repeat, for a decade and a half..
Shameless stupidity, and nonstop feeding of denial.
Nothing else is coming back, just like every level of authority has already clearly stated.
"....so that all of us can move on and hopefully meet at our next (less painful) investment opportunity."
Let's just say, if this one turns out fine, there won't BE a next one. At least for me. 🤔
Bban, as I have said numerous times,it does not matter for me l, as I hold a lot of P’s with UQ, so works for me, whatever the split.
I will be glad that all of us who have stayed the course for the past 15 years and have had each other for company on these boards, receive a meaningful return on their investment. Nothing better than a wonderful closure for all so that all of us can move on and hopefully meet at our next (less painful) investment opportunity.
XOOM
DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU """HELD"""" imho AZ napkin math is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WRONG
In this case
THE MEEK SHALL NOT INHERIT THE BULK OF THE ESTATE
SOrry but I WILL say there is lots of money and ALL WILL BE JUST FINE
Pliss, AZ’s ‘napkin math’ was very conservative. Whatever we are now expecting is way more than his ‘napkin math’.
If you promised me half a cookie and then later gave me 2 cookies, I would be the last one to complain.
Are you still hailing AZCowboy and his napkin math? Did YOU save it for posterity?
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=164628737
Any idea what happened in court on 4,/4. No one seems to talk about it.
China Hills…. Perhaps I know who your friend is.
Killinger was highly compensated, while driving WAMU prices down to about $0.04 per share, rejecting JPM's bid for $8.00 a share.
While CEO of Washington Mutual in 2007, Killinger earned a total compensation of $14,364,883.
In 2008, he took home $25.1 million in compensation.
Killinger received a $15.3 million severance payment in Sept 2008 as well as a $445,200 lump-sum payment for vacation benefits & a $300,669 special payment.
killinger should have taken the 8 dollars per share as that was the best offer he could get at the time...actually, had Killinger taken the money an folded WAMU into JPM, the old shareholders would have suffered no losses as the capitalization of both banks would have gone off the charts... as it was, JPM got WAMU for free by killinger not accepting the 8 dollars per share offer... Killinger was in no position to barter as he was on the ropes and the FDIC was starting to breath down his neck... if Killinger would have accepted the 8 dollars per share, you would have suffered no loss in value for your positions...as it was, WMI cancelled the preferred interest when they were converted to equity, and abandoned.... Lodas
Guess what this is connected to: LMAO :) Washington Mutual???? Always thought thi is where the 176 Billion is coming from? AWRIX thought the These Large Portflio were desighed for part of our value for legacy. Now being used in the DTCC. Money or assignment of value is being used and will be hidden on April 11th.
"Effective April 11, 2024, the following firm will be deleted as Sponsored Member of the Government Securities Division: State Street Bank and Trust Company is the Sponsoring Member for these firms. Please note that only the designated Sponsoring Member is authorized to submit transactions against its Sponsored Members. Questions regarding this Important Notice should be directed to your DTCC Relationship Manager. Symbol Fund Name AWRIX American Century Variable Portfolios, Inc. - VP Growth Fund
https://www.capitalgroup.com/individual/investments/fund/awshx
https://res.americancentury.com/docs/Growth_vp_summary_1200_nc.pdf
https://www.capitalgroup.com/individual/investments/fund/awshx
https://www.americancentury.com/invest/funds/?t=perf&shareClass=investorClass&type=ETF&type=Mutual+Fund#
PIG offered $8/share which was rejected by WMI in 2008.Do you remember "Project West"?.
Ok I don’t usually get involve ,but! American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003 When you give any business more loopwholes regardless and when everybody issss/was doing it ,jump in the waters fine was their moto AND OPEN THE DOOR TO THE HAVE NOTS OR THE FOOLISH ,hence I blame US.GOVT 99.9/10 % imo. My down fall was trying to catch the dot comes MID STREAM in 2000, OUCH MY BUTT STILL PUCKERS UP EVERY LONG ONCE IN A WHILE WHEN I GET FLASHBACKS AND THINK ABOUT BACK THEN
😳😂 No debating AIMHO.
GoGooooooCOOP
Have a great weekend people-Ts 😉
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my friend was in the real estate business writing liar loans to aliens from across the border and lived in a million dollar house in Chino, calif. during the runnup to the 2008 financial crisis.... needless to say he lost it all when it went bust, his house and savings, and now lives with his sister drawing social security....I went to many house parties at that time, and he was living high off the hog...too sad, and to this day, he never expressed remorse for his actions...Lodas
Exactly.
But they don't care... Everybody in that game got rich during the years before the crash. From the top executives, all the way down to the moron loan officers. I saw kids fresh out of high school, driving Mercedes, having a million dollar home.
Nobody feeding off the madness wanted it to end, and many refused to believe it was coming to an end.
The smart ones are still rich today from that insanity.
Unfortunately, when people get rich, somewhere people are getting poor. Unsuspecting shareholders of these players, got slaughtered.
It's mind blowing that a few are still in denial about it, and to this day, still expect to get rich off it.
Money does strange things to people.
blame killinger and the BOD for running WAMU in the dirt...the US law had nothing to do with the corporate actions taken to deliberately sell chicken sh&t HELOC loans against rising equity values during the 2008 financial crisis....Lodas
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Mr. Cooper Group Inc. (NASDAQ: COOP) provides quality servicing, origination and transaction-based services related principally to single-family residences throughout the United States with operations under its primary brands: Mr. Cooper® and Xome®. Mr. Cooper is one of the largest home loan servicers in the country focused on delivering a variety of servicing and lending products, services and technologies. Xome provides technology and data enhanced solutions to homebuyers, home sellers, real estate agents and mortgage companies.
Upon completion of the merger between WMIH Corp. and Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. on July 31, 2018, WMIH became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper), Xome and Champion Mortgage (Nationstar Mortgage LLC d/b/a Champion).
As of October 10, 2018, Mr. Cooper Group Inc. is the new name of WMIH Corp. On July 31, 2018, WMIH, now Mr. Cooper Group, became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper) and Xome.
As early as late 2006, WaMu would begin to become a victim of what would eventually become the worst recession in US history since the Great Depression of 1929. WaMu's aggressive business strategy would begin to unfold throughout the end of 2006 and become increasingly disastrous through 2007. As housing rates were at all time highs before the recession began, WaMu would use its considerable leverage and assets to make large amounts of loans in both subprime mortgages and subprime credit cards. The banking division of WaMu at one point before the end of 2007 had nearly 336 stand-alone branch buildings where various types of home loans were processed and approved. WaMu would eventually over leverage themselves due to the high number of Adjustable Rate Mortgages (ARMs). As the US economy slowed down, the number of home loan defaults began to rise in quick succession. This coupled with the falling home prices throughout most of the US meant that even with foreclosures and the properties back in the hands of the company, they were unable to sell them back into the market, or were not able to derive enough revenue from the sale to cover the loan that was made on them. In the mean time, the credit card division was also seeing a surge in the number of late and non payments being made.
By September of 2008, WaMu's stock price had fallen to $2 from its previous highs of around $50 just two years earlier. Amid strong voices from the shareholders, then company CEO Kerry Killinger was dismissed by the company board. In the meantime, the company went looking for a buyer for part of its banking division. WaMu had been unsuccessful in finding an appropriate buy until its seizure by the FDIC. Overnight the companies banking division was bought by JP Morgan Chase in a secret deal brokered by the FDIC for 1.9 billion dollars. Washington Mutual Inc. has reorganized to Washington Mutual Holding Inc. WITH SHAREHOLDERS INTACT
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