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i just spotted gitreal on a new scam, STAL. Go check out its board. An SEC registrant. Claims enough in its filings to warrant being turned in to the SEC for fraud.
Found this in their S-1 https://www.otcmarkets.com/filing/html?id=16732216&guid=IzJ-kpLZGSfZdth
The mine talk begins about page 22. In several places they use the word reserves and place $ value on said "reserves"
Near the bottom of the report, gitreal, does Robert Garcia ring a bell? "Auric" surely does!
estimation of potential by-product metal targets of up to 729,000 ounces Platinum, 363.95 million pounds Nickel, 1.308 billion pounds Chromite, and 294,000 ounces Gold.
Estimation of potential by-product metal targets.......LOL.......pretty definitive language!!!
Another old mining scam is back to scamming.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/north-bay-resources-inc-nbri-143000026.html
Extrapolating a property wide resource from a few samples. The oldest mining scam technique there is, but NBRI has been using that kind of fake "science" for decades.
From STAL's 10K, the language in this "technology" description reads like a hundred other mining scams we've all seen:
Brought to my attention today....another fake gold miner, with "gold backed crypto"!!!
https://investorshub.advfn.com/Star-Alliance-International-Corp-STAL-32113
They're an SEC-filer, walking a fine line with the BS in their filings. Their Genesis gold recovery system promises 400X faster gold recovery than standard leaching methods, and they promise 98% gold recovery. I wonder why the major gold producers aren't flocking to this new technology!!?
They are the exact same claims.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
People must fall for this utter BS because they are still doing it after 15 years. I really want to meet the people that actually believe those claims and find out how they can earn a living being so thick.
It is the same thing. This new "43-101" is nothing more than a cover letter attached to the original report. It's ridiculous. People fall for this, unfortunately.
Proven reserves??? Sheez......
Hilarious, ain't it? gitreal posted about this to me on the WSRC board.
You remember Texas Wyoming Drilling? They were pumping some Moapa claims also called "Yellow Jacket"....
I briefly skimmed that report to see if it might be more Moapa desert dirt scamminess.... Didn't bother reading that nonsense closely enough. Maybe you or gitreal might know if its in that same area. It surely sounds like it's the same... I know there have been munerous desert dirt scam attempts at pumping those worthless claims. Or have heard of the report author. I'd say he should have his license revoked.... if he even has one:
THE PROVEN GOLD RESERVE FOR THE YELLOW JACKET CLAIM #73A AS OF April 14,2023
Since all things are not equal in nature and since this is an alluvial fan I am going to use a value
per ton of this ore as a conservative 0.173 (50% of the historic value) ounces of gold to the ton
of this aggregate. Since this is only 40 acres the minable depth would be to only 100 foot and
with this depth considered and at that value the PROVEN RESERVE THAT I AM ASSIGNING TO
THIS CLAIM IS A TOTAL RECOVERABLE NUMBER OF OUNCES OF GOLD IS 1,119,527 AT TODAY’S
PRICE OF GOLD WHICH IS $2,010.00 EQUALS $2,250,249,270.00 PROVEN RESERVE
Phony "NI 43-101 Reports" are still a thing.
The British Columbia Securities Commission recently issued a warning about a phony NI 43-101 Technical Report issued by a Nevada company. And this company is a frequent flier on bogus reports. Yes, it is the exact same claims used by legendary fraud Texas Wyoming Drilling (now Bantec - BANT) to run their pump and dump about 10 years ago. Both the property and the company have since been recycled for use in new frauds.
Investor Alert: Nevada company makes unfounded claims of gold reserves
https://www.bcsc.bc.ca/about/media-room/news-releases/2023/36-investor-alert-nevada-company-makes-unfounded-claims-of-gold-reserves
Vancouver – The B.C. Securities Commission (BCSC) is warning investors about a Nevada-based company that has filed a technical report claiming a large reserve of gold.
In the report, Yellow Jacket Placer Project Partners & Associates, LLC said the mineral reserve had a very large “proven value.” However, investors should not rely on the report, which does not comply with national requirements. It does not contain supporting evidence for valid mineral resources, there is no basis for the dollar values assigned to the project, and it is not authored by a qualified person.
Yellow Jacket Placer Project Partners filed the report on SEDAR, Canada’s official site for most public securities documents and information filed by issuers, on April 21, 2023. However, the company did not file the report with any Canadian securities regulator, as required, and has no apparent connection to any jurisdiction in Canada.
The BCSC recommends that B.C. investors exercise extreme caution when dealing with any company that purports to release a technical report that does not follow the requirements of National Instrument 43-101 and its Form 43-101F1. The rule and the form establish standards for disclosure of scientific and technical information regarding mineral projects, and require that the disclosure is based on a technical report or other information prepared by or under the supervision of a qualified person.
The BCSC urges B.C. investors, agents, or members of the public who have been approached about investing in Yellow Jacket Placer Project Partners to contact BCSC Inquiries at 604-899-6854 or 1-800-373-6393 (toll free), via email at inquiries@bcsc.bc.ca, or by using the online complaint form.
I see that the "skill and luck" guy is involved.....which means some kind of shenanigans are going on.....
NB is a hell of a nascent mining scam.
Claiming 30 billion in reserves and promoted by one of the most vile stock criminals ever with a track record as long as the Chesapeake Bay Bridge.
It would be so easy for the SEC to crush AABB.....just a subpoena to force them to disclose proof of their (nonexistent) gold bullion. Or proof that their noteholder is a real person, and not affiliated with the company.
I'm sure you've heard about the EPA vetoing the Pebble! That's been a long fight for conservationists... and will be welcome for lovers of wild Alaska salmon....namely me!!
https://www.yahoo.com/now/whats-next-pebble-mine-now-144600194.html
https://www.worldwildlife.org/stories/epa-blocks-catastrophic-mining-project-in-bristol-bay-alaska?link=txt&utm_campaign=oceans&utm_medium=email&utm_source=advocacy-alert&utm_content=230202
Sure wish the SEC would come down on AABB.....
Great! Hopefully first of many prosecutions for fraudulent crypto!
They pushed the limits a bit too far - $10 billion in gold?? AABB only claims to have $30 million in gold.....but a lie is a lie.
SEC files charges against purported gold-backed crypto.
SEC Files Charges in a Crypto Asset Pump-And-Dump Scheme
Litigation Release No. 25537 / September 30, 2022
Securities and Exchange Commission v. Arbitrade Ltd., et al., Civil Action No. 1:22-cv-23171 (S.D. Fla. filed September 29, 2022)
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2022/lr25537.htm
The Securities and Exchange Commission today filed charges against Arbitrade Ltd., a Bermudan company, and Cryptobontix Inc., a Canadian company, and their principals, Troy R. J. Hogg, James L. Goldberg, and Stephen L. Braverman, and a so-called international gold trader, Max W. Barber, for perpetrating an alleged pump-and-dump scheme involving a crypto asset called "Dignity" or "DIG."
As alleged in the SEC's complaint, between May 2018 and January 2019, Arbitrade and Cryptobontix, through Hogg, Goldberg, Braverman, and Barber, issued announcements falsely claiming that Arbitrade had acquired and received title to $10 billion in gold bullion, that the company intended to back each DIG token issued and sold to investors with $1.00 worth of this gold, and that independent accounting firms had performed an "audit" of the gold and verified its existence. As alleged, Arbitrade claimed to have acquired the gold through a purchase transaction with Barber and his company, SION Trading FZE. In reality, according to the complaint, the gold acquisition transaction was merely a sham to boost demand for DIG, thereby allowing Hogg and Goldberg, with Braverman's assistance, to sell at least $36.8 million of DIG, including to U.S. investors, at prices fraudulently inflated by the public misstatements about the supposed gold acquisition.
The SEC's complaint charges the defendants with violating the antifraud and securities registration provisions of the federal securities laws. Specifically, the complaint alleges that: (i) Arbitrade and Cryptobontix violated Sections 5(a) and 5(c) of the Securities Act of 1933, and Section 10(b) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 and Rule 10b-5 thereunder; (ii) Hogg and Goldberg violated Sections 5(a), 5(c), and 17(a) of the Securities Act, and Section 10(b) of the Exchange Act and Rule 10b-5, and that Hogg is also liable as a control person for Arbitrade and Cryptobontix's violations of Section 10(b) and Rule 10b-5, and that Goldberg is also liable as a control person for Arbitrade's violations of Section 10(b) and Rule 10b-5; and (iii) Braverman and Barber aided and abetted violations of Section 10(b) Exchange Act and Rule 10b-5. The complaint seeks permanent injunctive relief, disgorgement plus prejudgment interest, and civil penalties against all of the defendants, and officer-and-director bars against the individual defendants. The SEC's complaint also names SION as a relief defendant seeking disgorgement plus prejudgment interest.
Including yours, soon. This board, which isn't interested in posts that pump garbage, is quite inactive of late. We should talk more about mining scams like AABB, BYRG, WSRC and others, though.
WTF is AMC thinking in buying a stake in seemingly defunct miner HYMC?
https://www.fool.com/investing/2022/03/18/why-the-heck-is-amc-entertainment-buying-a-gold-an/?source=eptyholnk0000202&utm_source=yahoo-host&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=article
Check out today's news from WSRC, which has resulted in the first upward move since the June news about the SSMG mining claims. Up over 100%
Western Sierra Resource Corporation Announces Completion of Audits Reflecting $47 Million in Assets and Prepares S-1 Filing to Take Initial Steps Toward Nasdaq Listing
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WSRC/news/story?e&id=2033315
I posted this on the board a couple months ago.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=165423412
My post from today, in reply to stervc's granola post
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=166532691.
Hey Gitreal, new innovation in the sector - applied AI
Frederick Bauman
SEC Charges Attorney with Participation in IIIegal, Unregistered Securities Offerings
Litigation Release No. 25199 / September 8, 2021
Securities and Exchange Commission v. Frederick Bauman, No. 2:21-cv-1651-GMN-EJY (D. Nev. filed September 8, 2021)
On September 8, 2021, the Securities and Exchange Commission charged Nevada resident Frederick Bauman with playing a critical role as an attorney who facilitated the unregistered sale of millions of shares of securities by two groups engaged in securities fraud.
According to the SEC's complaint, between 2016 and August 2019, Bauman authored at least a dozen legal opinion letters falsely stating that certain shareholders were not affiliated with the public companies whose stock they held. The complaint alleges that in reality, the public companies and shareholders were under common control, and the shareholders were therefore affiliates of the companies. Stock held by an affiliate of a public company is restricted, and only small quantities of such stock can be legally offered or sold to the public without a securities registration statement in effect. A registration statement contains important information about a public company's business operations, financial condition, results of operation, risk factors, and management. According to the complaint, Bauman provided the opinion letters to transfer agents - entities that record the ownership and transfer of securities, and thus routinely track whether particular securities are subject to resale restrictions. The transfer agents allegedly relied on Bauman's false letters in treating shares of stock as unrestricted, and recording transfers on that basis. The complaint alleges that Bauman's letters thus facilitated sales of millions of shares that could not legally be sold to the public without a registration statement.
The SEC's complaint, filed in federal district court in Nevada, charges Bauman with violating the securities registration provisions of Sections 5(a) and 5(c) of the Securities Act of 1933. Without admitting or denying the allegations, Bauman consented to the entry of a final judgment permanently enjoining him from future violations of the charged provisions. In addition, Bauman consented to a five-year penny stock bar and a five-year conduct-based injunction that restricts his ability to prepare opinion letters. Bauman agreed to pay a $60,000 civil penalty, $13,000 in disgorgement, and $1,653 in prejudgment interest. The settlement is subject to court approval.
The SEC's case is being handled by Nita Klunder, Kathleen Shields, Eric Forni, Trevor Donelan, and Amy Gwiazda of the Boston Regional Office. The SEC appreciates the assistance of the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority.
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2021/lr25199.htm
Remember Craig Parkinson, R.G., the geologist that could find a multi-billion dollar deposit anywhere he looked? Lost his RG in 2018 due to his involvement with a silica sand scam.
https://btr.az.gov/sites/default/files/disciplinary-actions/parkinson_p17-050.pdf
So much fantasy and BS here, it ain't funny. https://westernsierraresource.com/08.03.21%20Mining%20Report.pdf
Time for the SEC to step in....
https://kdminer.com/news/2021/mar/06/pssst-wanna-buy-gold-mine/
Mark Twain is credited to have said “a gold mine is a hole in the ground with a liar standing on top.” In my experience, this isn’t that far from the truth. In the early 1990s, BreX, a Canadian mining company, made announcements about a fabulously rich gold discovery in Indonesia. The announcements continued until many investors bid the price of the stock from a few pennies to over $200 a share. Even the government of Indonesia wanted a piece of the action. When a major mining company wanted to buy the discovery, it sent geologists to verify the find and discovered that it was a scam. Billions were lost when the stock crashed and it took until 2006 for the gold investment industry to recover. The president of BreX disappeared, later to surface in a Caribbean country with no extradition treaty with Canada. If he hadn’t died from a heart attack while partying too hard, he’d still be free and enjoying the sun and sand. The geologist involved in the scam suffered a worse fate; he was pushed out of a helicopter while flying over the jungle.
I was working in South America at the time of BreX and my boss would harass me by asking, “why don’t you find a deposit like that?” I’d tell him that it sounded too good to be true but what does a lowly geologist know. As a consultant, I was called to evaluate several mining properties in Mohave County that turned out to be scams. I wasn’t liked by some in the Mohave County mining fraternity because I’d reject their properties even though they said their mines would be bigger than Mineral Park.
One of the properties I evaluated was in Detrital Valley downstream from the White Hills mining area. The promoter was selling shares in his venture to recover all the silver that had washed down from the mountains. He claimed it was all under the surface in Detrital Valley. He had a secret process to recover the silver and also the gold and platinum that would make this the richest mine in all of North America. I reported to the investor that hired me to run, not walk, away from this “great opportunity.”
How did I know this was a scam? First of all, only rarely does silver make placer deposits. Unlike gold, silver is soluble under the right conditions and seeps into the ground in solution, depositing on other sulfides, so the idea of a large placer silver deposit made no sense. Secondly, platinum doesn’t occur in the rocks that outcrop in the White Hills.
Most mineral deposits are genetically associated with certain types of rocks – diamonds with kimberlite, copper with quartz monzonite, nickel and platinum with ultramafic rocks. When a prospector brings me a sample and claims that it has platinum, I always wonder how many catalytic converters he crushed to get enough platinum to “salt the sample” (adding gold, silver or platinum to a worthless sample to make it assay as valuable).
One of the most common mining scams is the one where the prospector has a type of gold that can’t be fire assayed. It can only be detected by using his “secret method.” I’ve been told that this type of “ore” can be found in the Gold Basin area, the Cerbat Mountains and well, essentially everywhere there are gold miners. The fire assay method has been around since Biblical times; references to fire assaying can be found in the Bible. Fire assaying is still in use today. I tell the prospectors that instead of mining the ore that can’t be fire assayed, they should submit it to the United States Geological Survey and collect the $1 million dollars the USGS offers for such an ore. For the many years that the USGS has made this challenge, no one has collected.
Arizona is famous for the Lost Dutchman Mine. It’s supposedly lost in the Superstition Mountains northeast of Phoenix. I spent some time prospecting in the Superstition Mountains and found no gold but there’s lots of copper in the Superior and Globe areas. What’s interesting is that at the same time the Dutchman was traveling to Phoenix from the east, the Vulture Mine was operating near Wickenburg, west of Phoenix. What if the Dutchman was in on the stealing at the Vulture Mine? Taking the gold from his partners and traveling around so he entered Phoenix from the east to throw off suspicions. I wonder if the Dutchman knows he lives on in the mystery he created rather than the gold he stole?
The honor for the start of the Great Diamond Hoax of 1872 also belongs to Arizona. Two men found quartz crystals near the town of Ft. Defiance, NE Arizona. Finding out that, although the crystals looked like diamonds to them, the crystals were worthless, they cooked up an elaborate scheme to sell diamond claims to wealthy business owners in San Francisco, California. A great read on the web are the accounts of the “Great Diamond Hoax.”
The next time someone wants to sell you a gold mine where the gold can only be assayed by his secret method and, by the way, it has platinum, too, give me a call. I also have a gold mine to sell.
Check out the AZ Geological Survey website for more information on Arizona mining scams: http://repository.azgs.az.gov/category/thematic-keywords/mining-fraud.
Western Sierra back in the "mining" business......platinum, palladium, and rhodium, oh my!
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WSRC/news/story?e&id=1927814
Western Sierra Resource Corporation Enters Talks to Acquire Majority Stake in a Gold Mining Operation With Enhanced Recovery Net Income Projected at $3.2 Billion
STEAMBOAT SPRINGS, Colo., June 22, 2021 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- WESTERN SIERRA RESOURCE CORPORATION (OTC: WSRC) is pleased to announce that it has entered into negotiations with Silver State Mining Group, Inc. (“SSMG”) to acquire 70% of its common stock. SSMG owns 49% of the Sage Hen Mining claims in Nevada totaling 640 acres. The Sage Hen claims are located adjacent to the Relief Canyon Mine in the Oreana Tend. In addition to gold and silver, the enhanced recovery system assays have indicated platinum, palladium and rhodium. WSRC and SSMG plan on building a 100 ton/day plan and then immediately increasing that to 1,100 tons/day. Projected annual net income from the 100 ton/day and 1,100 ton/day operation is $269 million and $3.2 billion respectively. We look forward to providing further details and timely updates on the company's progress.
About Western Sierra Resource Corporation:
Founded in 1907, Western Sierra Resource Corporation (a Utah corporation), has historically been a gold and silver mining company which continues to own several historical precious metal reserves in Arizona. In 2014 the Company broadened its vision to include natural (and renewable) resources with its acquisition of water rights and associated infrastructure assets in Colorado for purposes of irrigating and cultivating industrial hemp; processing hemp for manufacture of various building products; and construction of affordable homes utilizing hemp-based materials—among other beneficial uses. Commercial, Industrial, and Agricultural land for these purposes has been recently acquired (closed as of 06.15.21) at a price of $1,400,000, with additional agricultural and residential land also now under a $250,000 non-refundable earnest money purchase contract. WSRC’s intent is to become a broad-based resource company with high value and high income generating assets including water rights and precious metals and related technologies.
Forward Looking Statements:
This release includes “forward-looking statements” within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Such statements include any that may predict, forecast, indicate, or imply future results, performance. or achievements, and may contain the words “estimate”, “project”, “intend”, “forecast”, “anticipate”, “plan”, “planning”, “expect”, “believe”, “likely”, “should”, “could”, “would”, “may” or similar words or expressions. Such statements are not guarantees of future performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause the company’s actual results and financial position to differ materially from those in such statements, which involve risks and uncertainties, including those relating to the Company’s ability to grow. Actual results may differ materially from those predicted and any reported should not be considered an indication of future performance. Potential risks and uncertainties include the Company’s operating history and resources, together with all usual and common economic, competitive, and equity market conditions / risks.
Contact:
Western Sierra Resource Corp
westernsierraresource.com
Twitter: @wsrcorp
Shiz's one of a few that I hit and run with on stocktwits and reddit now and then, on AABB, even NWGC. and a couple others.
Pump city over there....
AABB investor with a calculator! It is always amusing to see someone calculate how much revenue a "mining company" can make per year in gold revenue based on a few grab samples........of a mining prospect they don't even own.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aabbstock/comments/noq4k7/maths_for_bonanza_shizzle_weekend_read/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Why bring that old blather over here?
Since the below was posted, what the hell has happened to the company, the stock price, and the gold??
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First and foremost, this is the MXSG board, not the GORO board. With respect to MXSG, have you read the Cesar Lamas reports? Please comment on them in detail as they pertain to the potential value of this company's properties
Go away.
Continued from Post 41741 by 8thaero » Mon May 24, 2021 12:42 pm
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First and foremost, this is the MXSG board, not the GORO board. With respect to MXSG, have you read the Cesar Lamas reports? Please comment on them in detail as they pertain to the potential value of this company's properties"
Is one persons ill argued history now long past with resource defined from production drills after 4 years continuous production. BUT... GORO continues to do well enough today. Some still need education on SEC defined Guide 7 test mine exception? Old stuff but now mentioned alla time is a good education. As largest pvt investor IT WAS NOT a cause of GORO decline That was a :STREETSWEEPER " shorting attack combined with spurious investor suits tossed out of all Colorado Courts as pure fraud. All eventually boiled down to falling $2000 POG while large dividends continued to pay original investors back many times over . at .06 monthly. . LIKE my 540K .25 PRE SELF IPO shares paid up every 3 months. Now can current FTCO same folks do near as well in finally fast riding again POG?
So do SEC spell out Test Mine exception for ya'all? Was existing law still in play no recognized filed resource but easier now to claim under Intl standards like NI 43-101.
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GORO was well-known for possible stock manipulation and certainly for incorrect, possibly fraudulent, disclosure. GORO was not telling the entire truth about their operations. They ran into significant difficulty with the SEC regarding the disclosure about their mining without proven reserves. Once those were corrected, the stock ceased to be a high flyer. There is a lesson there.
The SEC comment letters are quite interesting. In particular, this comment:
2. We note that you have recorded increasing revenue over the past three years and have also recognized net income in each of the past two years. We further note the disclosures throughout your Form 10-K in which you indicate that you have reached commercial production in July 2010, as well as the statements on your website that your “El Aguila Project commenced commercial production July 1, 2010” and you are “focused on production and pursing development…” Since you have not yet demonstrated the existence of proven and probable reserves, as defined by Industry Guide 7, you continue be in the exploration stage and thus are an exploration stage company. In addition, your current presentation of income earned during the exploration stage as revenue with corresponding mine cost of sales and mine gross profit depicts your exploration stage operations as being in the production stage. This presentation creates a presumption that you have established proven and probable reserves and as a result any prior income earned from your exploration activities is indicative of continued future income. Please amend your Form 10-K to make the following revisions:
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Given that you are not in either the production or development stage, please remove all references to commencing production, commercial production or development throughout your Form 10-K that may give the impression that you have reached either the development or production stage. Alternatively, define for us your use of production and commercial production throughout your filings, explain to us the basis for your conclusion that you have reached commercial production and tell us why you believe that the inclusion of these references is appropriate.
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Revise all references to “sales of metals concentrate, net” or “revenue” in your filing to instead label as “income earned from exploration activities.”
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Revise your consolidated statement of operations to present an unclassified income statement that does not include mine cost of sales or mine gross profit.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1160791/000000000013024135/filename1.pdf
GORO tried to dance around their comments, but the SEC was firm. When they didn't correct the problem, the SEC reissued the comment. Twice.
We note your response to comment two of our letter dated May 2, 2013. Since you have not yet demonstrated the existence of proven and probable reserves, as defined by Industry Guide 7, you continue be in the exploration stage and thus are an exploration stage company. We continue to believe your current presentation of sales of metals concentrate as revenue with corresponding mine cost of sales and mine gross profit depicts your exploration stage operations as being in the production stage. Although inventory is recorded on your balance sheet, you are not capitalizing any other costs but instead expensing them as incurred. Therefore, your mine cost of sales is not capturing depreciation, depletion or any other costs related sale of inventory. Please amend your Form 10-K to make the following revisions:
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Revise your consolidated statement of operations to report all income and costs related to your exploration activities as Other Income, net in the operating expense section.
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Include footnote disclosure to quantify and describe the items comprising Other Income, net, along with a clear discussion of what is and is not included in the cost of sales component of this line item.
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Please provide us with draft changes to your financial statements in your response letter.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1160791/000000000013037894/filename1.pdf
We note in your response to comment six of our letter dated May 2, 2013 that the concentrate sale settlement adjustments of $3.1 million (2012) and $0.6 million (2011) are not reflected in the smelter refining fees, treatment charges and penalties. As such, it appears that these concentrate sale settlement adjustments are not included in you cash cost per gold equivalent ounce sold calculation on page 35. Please confirm our understanding and, if so, explain to us why you have not included these settlement adjustments in your cash cost per gold equivalent ounce sold calculation.
And then when GORO continued to distort the costs, the SEC hit them again:
We note you present the non-GAAP measures of total cash cost per gold equivalent ounce sold of $419 and $269 for fiscal years ending 2012 and 2011, respectively, both computed by deducting by-product copper, lead and zinc sales (the “non-GAAP measures”). In calculating these non-GAAP measures, we believe the reduction for by-product revenues is not appropriate because it materially distorts your actual production costs.
And then they argued with the SEC. Over and over. In the end, the SEC won.
GORO is an incredibly poor choice for comparison purposes, unless you are comparing it with a stock scam or pump and dump. In those cases, GORO would look pretty good. But not in comparison to another reporting company that follows the rules."
Over the years I've been pitched a few high return investments. I always ask myself "If this is such a great deal, why do these people need MY money and why are they sharing this largesse with the likes of me?"
Retirees and others on a fixed income are always looking for a way to bring in more than the sub 1% rates that are being offered on CDs.
Their pockets are, unfortunately, ripe for the picking.
May these scammers rot in their cells.
These guys got caught; how many like this are on-going and won't get caught?
Four Sentenced for Advanced Fee Scheme that Promised to turn Dirt into Gold
Defendants Defrauded 140 Victims of More than Eight Million Dollars
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ut/pr/four-sentenced-advanced-fee-scheme-promised-turn-dirt-gold
SALT LAKE CITY – Marc Tager, Jonathon Shoucair, Matthew Mangrum, and Kenneth Gross have all been sentenced for their role in an eight million dollar telemarketing fraud scheme that promised investors, most of them elderly, that their business could extract gold from dirt.
Marc Andrew Tager, 55, of Sandy, Utah, was sentenced on April 14, 2021, to 43 months in federal prison for conspiracy to commit wire and mail fraud, money laundering, and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.
Jonathon Edward Shoucair, 69 of North Hills, California, was sentenced on October 23, 2020, to 72 months in federal prison for conspiracy to commit wire and mail fraud and money laundering.
Matthew Earl Mangum, 51, of South Jordan, Utah, was sentenced on November 18, 2020, to 48 months in federal prison for conspiracy to commit wire fraud and money laundering.
Kenneth Stephen Gross, 75, of Porter Ranch, California was sentenced on January 16, 2020, to 24 months of probation for failing to disclose to federal authorities that he had knowledge that securities fraud was occurring.
Tager, Shoucair, and Mangum posed as the leaders of the scheme and told victim-investors they had created a plan to make money by extracting gold from dirt using a revolutionary process developed by Mangum--who was held out to investors as an expert in metallurgy and the refining of precious metals. Investors were told that the defendants controlled this proprietary, breakthrough, nanotechnology that used environmentally friendly means to recover microscopic particles of gold from dirt. Gross was engaged in cold-calling potential investors and passing interested individuals on to Tager and Shoucair in order to obtain funds from these investors.
Investors were told that the group needed investors’ money to pay for the space, equipment, materials, and labor to develop Mangum’s process into a large scale, highly profitable business that would generate huge returns. Instead, the co-defendants operated an advanced fee scheme with Tager, Shoucair, and Mangum making fraudulent statements to investors to secure funding that was only partially used to support the business, which was never profitable.
In order to carry out the fraud, the three defendants formed Jersey Consulting, LLC (“Jersey”) and created a marketing website for their business. On the website, the defendants claimed that Jersey owned an 80 acre mining claim with a substantial amount of mineral rich ore; that their revolutionary mining technology could achieve 20 times the yield of traditional mining at a fraction of the cost; that their process was environmentally friendly; and that investors would achieve 100% percent returns on their money in 12 months. Investors were also told that their money would be secured by the physical assets owned by Jersey and that the investors would have priority over these assets should the business fail.
What investors did not know was that Tager and Shoucair first met while serving multi-year federal prison sentences together for previous fraud related convictions. Tager, who was convicted of conspiracy to commit mail fraud in 2005 and sentenced to approximately 2 years in prison, met Jon Shoucair, who was serving a 5-year prison sentence in the Sheridan Federal Correction Institution for running a $50 million telemarketing fraud.
Since 2014, the men raised over eight million from about 140 investors through the use of a national telemarketing strategy. The majority of the investors were over the age of 65. However, three million dollars of investors’ money was spent for the personal benefit of Tager, Mangum, and Shoucair, with another two million dollars of the funds going to pay telemarketers, including Gross, who helped raise the funds. It is estimated that only three million dollars of the investors’ funds were used to pay for potentially legitimate business expenses incurred by Jersey.
Assistant U.S. Attorneys Jacob J. Strain, Trina Higgins, and Allison Moon in the Utah U.S. Attorney’s Office prosecuted the case. Investigators from the Utah Department of Commerce Division of Securities and Special Agents from the FBI and the IRS conducted the investigation.
The CEO of TINO is nuts. Not unusual in pennyland.
I was in TINO or had just exited when this PR came out. This guy is crazy.
I will take Answer (D).
ALL OF THE ABOVE.
Mining scams go in cycles. And we are at the very beginning of the next one.
Yeah, expecting a bunch of new ones to crop up. CGLD is the latest.....take a bunch of unpatented claims on USFS land, tell investors you have "billions in mineral reserves" without a single drill hole, and promise no selling of shares by management for two years!!! Of course, that doesn't mean that toxic lenders won't be dumping millions of shares....they're not management, right?
I expect to see the usual tales of reprocessing tailings where the old timer miners somehow missed half the precious metals. New technology involving plasma heated to the temperature of the sun, or maybe some kind of magic elixir to suck out the gold.
Maybe some wacko schemes to extract gold from volcanic ash, or coal ash, or maybe from lake bed clays?
Or maybe another imaginary Mexican gold mine being operated by imaginary management (a la SRGE, CRGP, and now AABB).
Or how about yet another new Lumb scam? It's about time to kickoff another one of those.
With the rising price of Gold and other metals, the number of stock scams tied to mining is also rising.
I think this board is about to get much busier.
Carnies sure love that "WW II halted the bonanza mother lode score" BS line....
Diamonds in Arizona! This is from earlier this year:
Allegations of another fake gold mine. This time, it is backing a popular crypto-currency, one whose issuer has already been labeled by regulators as a "pyramid scheme".
‘Gold-Backed’ Crypto Token’s Promoter Investigated by Florida Regulators
https://www.coindesk.com/gold-backed-crypto-tokens-promoter-investigated-by-florida-regulators
Florida regulators are investigating Karatbars, a German company that’s been promoting a token tied to a Miami “crypto bank” without any banking license in the state.
Karatbars previously issued a cryptocurrency purportedly backed by gold, but CoinDesk has been unable to verify the existence of the mine the company says produced the gold.
Before it entered the crypto space, Karatbars sold gold products online through an affiliate marketing system that regulators in three countries warned the public to avoid.
CoinDesk interviewed three of Karatbars’ current “affiliates,” who said they passionately believe in the company and its tokens.
A German company that claimed to raise $100 million in a 2018 initial coin offering (ICO) is being investigated by Florida financial regulators, CoinDesk has learned.
Karatbars International GmbH has announced plans to follow its first token sale with another one in December 2019. While the 2018 token sale was for its allegedly gold-backed KaratGold Coin (KBC), this year the company has been promoting a KaratBank Coin connected to a “cryptocurrency bank” in Miami.
The claim about a cryptocurrency bank seems to have landed the firm in hot water with the Florida Office of Financial Regulation (OFR).
“Karatbars is not licensed as a bank with the OFR,” the agency’s director of communications, Katie Norris, told CoinDesk. “The OFR has an open investigation, and so that is all the information I can share at this time.”
Karatbars International GmbH has not responded to CoinDesk’s requests for comment. We will update the article if we hear back.
The Florida investigation is not the first time Karatbars has come under regulatory scrutiny. The company was founded in 2011 by German entrepreneur Harald Seiz, who still heads it.
In 2014, long before Karatbars’ first token sale, Quebec’s Financial Markets Regulator issued a warning for investors to “be cautious” about the company, which offered internet-based purchases of gold to prospective “affiliates.” Karatbars offered these buyers a commission to sign up other affiliates.
Regulators in the Netherlands and Namibia have issued similar public warnings, with the former calling Karatbars’ business a form of multi-level marketing and the latter going so far as to label it a pyramid scheme.
First token
Despite this history, Karatbars’ first token, KBC, trades on more than 30 exchanges including HitBTC and Yobit and has been promoted on Twitter by the likes of John McAfee.
The coin, which runs on the ethereum blockchain, was distributed through an ICO in April 2018, reportedly garnering $100 million. Since the summer of 2018, the token has traded at fractions of a penny, according to CoinMarketCap, which calculates KBC’s current global market capitalization at $92,642,798.
The affiliate marketing strategy of Karatbars’ earlier business carried over to the token issuance, and affiliates interviewed by CoinDesk said much of their buying activity took place on the company’s own platform. Perhaps for this reason, the coins tend to stay put on the public ledger. According to the blockchain data explorer site Etherscan, the first transfer of KBC took place in November 2018, months after the ICO, with 20.9 million tokens now residing in 42 wallets.
Karatbars claims that the gold backing KBC was mined from Fort Dauphin in Madagascar. But CoinDesk was unable to independently verify that such a mine exists, or that Karatbars has any in the country.
In an email forwarded to CoinDesk by a third-party researcher, officials at the Madagascar Chamber of Mines said:
“We regret to inform you that there is no Fort Dauphin gold mine in Madagascar and Karatbars does not hold a mining permit in Madagascar.”
CoinDesk has reached out directly to the relevant authorities in Madagascar and will update the article if we receive more clarity on the matter.
When asked about his posts promoting the company, McAfee told CoinDesk:
“I believe that coins linked to a standard of value will be the foundation of the entire crypto movement. A safe haven without having to exit the crypto world into the world of fiat currencies.”
‘I believe in it’
It might be easy to dismiss KBC but many have seen opportunities in the project.
Florida resident Taylor Richey, a long-time gold bug and current KBC affiliate, launched his own startup to facilitate a point-of-sale service for KBC, called Karatstars Labs, after getting laid off from his factory job. So far, Richey said, two merchants (one being his own online store, however) have agreed to accept the tokens as payment for their wares.
“I believe in it enough that I decided to make my own career, a company, building a company to bring value to this ecosystem,” Richey said. “In 2018, when they [Karatbars] pivoted from a gold company into crypto, with the help of their affiliate program they became the number one seller of gold bullion in the world.” (Senior executives at three different organizations in the gold bullion market told CoinDesk it would be difficult or impossible to prove such a claim.)
Three KBC-holders interviewed by CoinDesk stated multiple times that Karatbars ran the world’s largest ICO (a title that arguably belongs to Block.One’s $4.1 billion sale for the EOS blockchain), praised the regulated state of the alleged crypto bank in Miami and mentioned purported endorsements from parties as diverse as the Vatican to the Real Madrid soccer team, neither of which responded to requests for comment. However, famed footballer Roberto Carlos did appear on stage at a Karatbars event in Amsterdam.
Likewise, the holders’ belief in this company, they said, was bolstered by real products – swag and small pieces of gold – that affiliates often received as part of their rewards program. Such affiliated products, like an “upcoming” Karatbars-friendly smartphone, are also promoted on sites like CoinTelegraph and VC News Network, a Reuters partner.
One American KBC affiliate, Andrea LaRosa, broke down in tears while telling CoinDesk about how the gold rewards finally offered her financial freedom in late 2018, after years of struggling with an assortment of bootstrapped businesses. After all, she said, the company has shipped her pieces of real gold.
“It’s based on how many contracts that you can collect. How many transactions that are made, in your business,” LaRosa said. “I’ve been inspired and gotten so much encouragement from other leaders. They don’t want anything from here. They’re really here to help. … I love Dr. Seiz’s mission to help people get out of debt.”
(Affiliates and press materials often refer to Karatbars founder Seiz as a doctor. CoinDesk was not able to independently confirm any such credentials.)
Crypto gateways
Many of these token holders, including LaRosa, came to KBC through the bitcoin community and not through traditional gold bug circles like Richley, who told CoinDesk he did enough research to avoid most ICOs.
LaRosa still holds a little bit of bitcoin and ether herself, although she has moved the majority of her investments into KBC.
“Bitcoin is really backed by nothing. But our KBC is backed by gold, and the [KaratBank Coin] is backed by our assets,” she said of her reasoning. “Eventually the two coins will be merged and come together.”
Likewise, Filipino-American immigrant and KBC affiliate Jose Buco plans to travel back to his homeland in the near future to preach the Karatgold gospel. He told CoinDesk he started by investing $32,000 in this company’s crypto products in 2018, assets which he said public metrics and exchanges now deem to be worth $41,000.
He recently returned from the Netherlands, where hundreds of Karatbars affiliates gathered in August to celebrate their “bridge from the financial system to cryptocurrency,” as Buco put it.
Like the other holders interviewed by CoinDesk, Buco researched Karatbars and bitcoin itself before deciding to prioritize KBC. As someone who felt underserved by the traditional financial system, he said his tangible evidence came from social media and community events, including people he built personal relationships with.
“You can see on YouTube the gold they are stocking up,” Buco said.
What kind of "mining" company issues a PR with language like this?
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/TINO/news/story?e&id=1440011
Anybody want to learn about the 29 known compounds of gold, 16 of which do not dissolve in aqua regia, and 14 of which cannot be detected in a fire assay?
http://www.centaurustechnologiesinc.com/2/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2APACHE'S%20PROCESSING%20SYSTEMS%20INFORMATION.pdf
It is amazing that only 15% of gold in "gold mineralized structures" is actually in the metallic form. Mining companies should just start over, they've been doing it all wrong.
Hey Gitreal. Hope all is well. haven't spoken to you since uspr. would you mind sending me a PM with your email. I don't do PM's here. I'd like to ask your advice on something.
SMH....That is definitely one the most obviously fraudulent PR's I have ever seen.
I note that it was issued on the I-Hub Newswire which has no wide public distribution, so the regulators, including the SEC, probably have not seen it. Not yet, anyway.
"Kimberly" dikes in Chloride, Arizona, and diamonds!!! Gold, silver, lead and zinc. Tailings worth $22 billion. Sheez.......
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FINRA Warns Investors of Gold Stock Scams
WASHINGTON - The Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA) issued a new Investor Alert called"Gold" Stocks-Some Investments Mine Your Pocketbook to warn investors about investment scams that promote gold stocks and to provide information on how to invest in legitimate gold investments. With the price of gold bullion at record levels, there has been a proliferation of blogs, websites, YouTube videos and Tweets centered on investing in gold. And while there are legitimate gold investments discussed online, FINRA is concerned that some investors may fall prey to gold-related investment scams.
These gold scams may center on inflated claims regarding the stocks of gold mining companies whose stock value is often based on gold reserves that are difficult to estimate, much less verify. For example, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) took legal action against a mining company based in Florida for false press releases claiming that a mining project in Ecuador contained gold reserves worth more than $1 billion.
Gold investments may also be touted in free lunch seminars and pushed by boiler room operations. The SEC charged six individuals for running a recent Ponzi scheme that used investment seminars to bilk 3,000 investors across the United States and Canada out of $300 million. Separately, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) took three actions against precious metals firms, including charging a boiler room telemarketing firm that purportedly purchased more than $23 million of precious metals for their customers.
"Con artists are using the run-up in the price of gold as a hook to part investors from their money. Investors should think twice before investing in any gold investment promising exponential returns, or any company that claims it is a buyout target for other mining companies," said Gerri Walsh, FINRA's Vice President for Investor Education.
FINRA's Investor Alert cautions investors to be on the lookout for any pitch for a gold investment that:
"Gold" Stocks-Some Investments Mine Your Pocketbook also advises investors that while legitimate gold and ETF investments may be an acceptable diversification strategy, these investments can be quite volatile. A heavy concentration of gold investments can leave investors overly exposed and at risk of losing a substantial percentage of their money.
FINRA, the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, is the largest non-governmental regulator for all securities firms doing business in the United States. FINRA is dedicated to investor protection and market integrity through effective and efficient regulation and complementary compliance and technology-based services. FINRA touches virtually every aspect of the securities business - from registering and educating all industry participants to examining securities firms, writing and enforcing rules and the federal securities laws, informing and educating the investing public, providing trade reporting and other industry utilities, and administering the largest dispute resolution forum for investors and registered firms. For more information, please visit www.finra.org.
MINING INDUSTRY FRAUD
The problem of fraud in the precious metals mining industry continues to plague Arizona investors. The Arizona Corporation Commission's Securities Division has prepared this bulletin as a guide for the type of questions individuals should ask before investing in any mining program. All investments have risk, and no particular investment is guaranteed not to fail, no matter how diligently an investor has investigated the program prior to investing. Investigation prior to investment can reduce the risk of fraud.
One of the first questions you should ask before investing in a mining program is …
WHERE IS THE MINE LOCATED?
The exact location of the mine site is often not disclosed in many mining investment scams, yet surprisingly people continue to invest in these programs without knowing where the actual mining is to take place.
Press the people who are offering the investment to you (the offerors) for the exact legal descriptions of the site-do not accept a lay description such as "the proposed mine site is located approximately twenty-five miles northwest of Flagstaff, Arizona." That type of description tells you nothing at all about the true location of the site. If the offerors cannot or will not provide you with the exact location of the mine, DO NOT INVEST!!
Once you know the exact location of the mine site, your next question should be …
HAVE ANY ASSAYS BEEN PERFORMED ON THE ORE?
Usually, offering materials do provide what the offerors claim to be assays, but beware. Assays are only meaningful if they are based upon a systematic and scientific program of ore sampling. An assay based upon one or two ore samples is essentially meaningless it takes literally hundreds or thousands of separate ore samplings to properly evaluate the true potential of a mine site. Also be aware that even an accurate assay only tells you the amount of certain precious metals in a specific ore sample, not the amount of precious metals that can be economically extracted from that minesite or even that sample. No mining or refining technique can
economically extract all of the precious metals present in an ore body.
In reading assay reports, certain "red flags" signal that perhaps you are not receiving accurate information:
Reports indicating the presence of ½ ounce or more of gold per ton or ore. A mine site with ore values consistently this high would represent one of the richest finds of the century! Reports of precious metals not normally found together in the same ore. For example, while gold and silver are commonly found together, gold and platinum group metals are not.
Reports that traditional "fire assay" methods will not give an accurate reading of the precious metals content of the ore, while the offerors' "secret" or "revolutionary" methods will. A fire assay performed in a correct manner will give an accurate reading of the precious metals content of any ore sample.
Assayers who meet certain qualifications are registered with the Arizona Board of Technical Registration; call the Board (602-364-4930) to see if the assayer is registered, and if there is any information available concerning public actions against the assayer.
If mining is currently going on at the site, be sure to get copies of all production reports. Once you are satisfied that the ore at the mine site has commercial value, you are ready to ask the next question:
WHAT IS THE PRIOR MINING OR REFINING EXPERIENCE OF THOSE WHO WILL BE IN CHARGE OF THE MINING OPERATION?
Do not trust your money with people who have no prior experience in the mining industry. Mining is a highly skilled and technical profession, a field that cannot be profitably pursued by amateurs. If possible, check out ALL of the mining and business references provided by the offerors. If they have not provided you with any references, require them. If they have no references they can give you, or if their references are so vague that you cannot check on them, then the operators may not have any mining or refining experience.
You should next ask …
WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL CONDITION OF THE PEOPLE WHO WANT MY MONEY?
Are the people to whom you will be giving your money financially solvent? Are they a newly created company with little or no assets? Do they personally have any financial stake in the venture, or are they merely a group of people who want to enter a high risk venture using other people's money? You don't know the answer to these questions until you see balance sheets, profit and loss statements, and other audited financial documents. Once again, if these types of financial statements are not provided to you, require them.
Remember that the most meaningful financial statements are those that have been prepared by an independent certified public accountant.
Your next question is …
HAVE ANY OF THE PERSONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE OFFERING BEEN THE SUBJECT OF PAST ACTION TAKEN BY A GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY OR PRIVATE PARTY?
Obviously, you want to know whether the people to whom you will be giving your hard-earned money have a history of law violations, civil lawsuits, or bankruptcies. Just as obviously, if the people who want your money do have such histories, they will naturally be reluctant to reveal their prior legal problems to you.
Contact the Securities Division for information about federal
or state securities law actions. Also, contact the mining
department, any other appropriate state agencies, and the Better Business Bureau. If the mine site is located on public land, contact the state's land department, or federal agencies such as the Bureau of Land Management or the Forest Service.
Review civil and bankruptcy court records. (Important numbers are listed on the last page of this bulletin.)
Having satisfied yourself that the people to whom you may
be giving your money do not have a history of law violations,
you should next ask …
WHAT ARE THE COSTS AND OBLIGATIONS INVOLVED IN INVESTING IN THE PROGRAM?
How much is the investment going to cost you? What are you to receive for your money? A certain tonnage of ore? A certain number of ounces of precious metals? Stock? A pure cash return on your investment?
How is your investment to be made? In a lump sum, or in the form of periodic payments? Could you be required to provide additional money at some time in the future? Under the terms of the offering, must you meet any obligations or perform any duties other than making the investment? Once you understand the costs and obligations involved in investing in the program ask …
WHAT ARE THE RISKS INVOLVED IN INVESTING IN THE PROGRAM?
All investments have some amount of risk involved in them,
and the general rule is this: the greater the potential profit,
the greater the potential risk.
What assurance do you have that the offerors will not simply take your money and run? Is your investment secured by real property or equipment? (NOTE: It is a "red flag" if the promoters are guaranteeing that you will not lose money, whether they are offering your money back on demand or guaranteeing that a certain amount of gold is available.)
If the price of gold drops suddenly, would it still be feasible to mine? Does the mining program depend upon a continuous stream of investment capital in order to operate the mine? If it does, what if the stream of money decreases or is cut off? It can take millions to begin a viable mining operation.
Do the mine operators have any conflicts of interest that could cause them to devote less than their best efforts to the mining project?
Mining is inherently dangerous. If a worker gets injured at the mine site, could you be held financially responsible? If an injured worker sues the mine, is there enough liability insurance to cover the worker's claims?
If you are satisfied that you completely understand the risks
involved in investing in the program, your next question is …
EXACTLY HOW ARE THE OFFERORS GOING TO USE INVESTOR PROCEEDS?
You need to know just where your money will be going. Would some of your investment funds be used to pay sales commissions to the offerors or others? Towards salaries, legal fees, or other administrative expenses? How much of your investment money is actually going directly into the mining or refining of ore? What types of fees are going to be paid to the offerors? For what services? Arizona securities law requires that full disclosure be made to investors of the exact uses of proceeds in the venture. Finally, before you reach for your checkbook, you need to ask one more question…
CAN I AFFORD TO MAKE THIS INVESTMENT?
Be guided by your head, not your heart. Do not let "gold fever" lead you down an empty mine shaft. The basic warning to keep in
mind when considering any investment, including mining investments, is this:
IF YOU CAN NOT AFFORD TO LOSE ALL OF YOUR INVESTMENT, YOU CAN NOT AFFORD TO INVEST!
Arizona Important Contact Information
Arizona Corporation Commission's Securities Division 602-542-0662
(Toll free within Arizona) 1-866-VERIFY-9
Arizona Attorney General's Office Complaint & Information Center 602-542-5763
Arizona Department of Mines and Mineral Resources 602-255-3795
Arizona Mine Inspector's Office 602-542-5971
Arizona Department of Environmental Quality 602-542-4791
Arizona Board of Technical Registration 602-364-4930
U.S. Bureau of Land Management (Phoenix) 602-417-9200
U.S. Forest Service (Phoenix) 602-225-5200
Better Business Bureau (Phoenix, Flagstaff, Yuma) 602-264-1721
(Tucson and Southern Arizona) 520-888-5353
For additional information on how to investigate any offering before you invest, see "How Do I Verify Before I Buy Investments?," available on the Securities Division's web site
at: www.azinvestor.gov
(Click on Investor Info Center) or call 602-542-0428.
http://www.azinvestor.gov/InfoCenter_Docs/guide%20to%20mining%20investments.pdf
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